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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
24 Dec 2004 05:04:49 AM |
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Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of Americans by
posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the fight, and
exhort their brothers to finish the job.
Your motives are transparent.
Tony
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
28 Dec 2004 12:03:56 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of
Americans by
posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the fight,
and
exhort their brothers to finish the job.
You're right that very small minority (not "most" as you state) of the
wounded have said they'd go back to Iraq (probably a half dozen or so
cases). Another small minority of the US armed forces have participated in
abuses, tortures, killing in cold blood, and other war crimes in Iraq. All
that says is that the acts of small minorities are not indicative of overall
trends (I wonder however if there is a correlation between these two small
groups. I detect a few loose screws in both cases. But that's not
important...)
What's more important is that a much larger number of American troops have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and gone a-wall right in the middle of
the desert. Still a much larger group have outright refused to be sent to
Iraq, some have even come to Canada and asked for refugee status. Those
numbers are much more indicative of what's going on in the heads of those
soldiers than a couple of wounded soldiers asking to be sent back - probably
more motivated by revenge than anything else.
Stat.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
28 Dec 2004 08:48:49 AM |
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"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of
Americans by
posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the
fight,
and
exhort their brothers to finish the job.
You're right that very small minority (not "most" as you state) of the
wounded have said they'd go back to Iraq (probably a half dozen or so
cases). Another small minority of the US armed forces have participated in
abuses, tortures, killing in cold blood, and other war crimes in Iraq. All
that says is that the acts of small minorities are not indicative of
overall
trends (I wonder however if there is a correlation between these two small
groups. I detect a few loose screws in both cases. But that's not
important...)
What's more important is that a much larger number of American troops have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and gone a-wall right in the middle of
the desert. Still a much larger group have outright refused to be sent to
Iraq, some have even come to Canada and asked for refugee status.
Got any numbers there Stat? As far as I know, there are 4 or 5 claiming
refugee status and they should be shipped right back to face the music at
home. It is hardly on the scale of the Vietnam draft-dodgers (a different
situation entirely, as today's deserters volunteered for the job).
Jane
Those
numbers are much more indicative of what's going on in the heads of those
soldiers than a couple of wounded soldiers asking to be sent back -
probably
more motivated by revenge than anything else.
Stat.
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
28 Dec 2004 01:35:03 PM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of
Americans by
posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the
fight,
and
exhort their brothers to finish the job.
You're right that very small minority (not "most" as you state) of the
wounded have said they'd go back to Iraq (probably a half dozen or so
cases). Another small minority of the US armed forces have participated
in
abuses, tortures, killing in cold blood, and other war crimes in Iraq.
All
that says is that the acts of small minorities are not indicative of
overall
trends (I wonder however if there is a correlation between these two
small
groups. I detect a few loose screws in both cases. But that's not
important...)
What's more important is that a much larger number of American troops
have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and gone a-wall right in the middle of
the desert. Still a much larger group have outright refused to be sent to
Iraq, some have even come to Canada and asked for refugee status.
Got any numbers there Stat? As far as I know, there are 4 or 5 claiming
refugee status and they should be shipped right back to face the music at
home. It is hardly on the scale of the Vietnam draft-dodgers (a different
situation entirely, as today's deserters volunteered for the job).
You are right. To my knowledge, there are also only a few dozen soldiers
claiming refugee status in Canada, and they all have next to zero chance of
getting accepted. Canada considers them (contrary to drafted soldiers for
Vietnam) as professional soldiers who willingly signed up to join the army,
and therefore should respect the terms of their contracts with the military.
But there is now a growing number of soldiers who *have seen combat* in
Iraq, and are now coming to Canada as refugees to be able to tell their
stories of atrocities there. Under US military law, they cannot reveal such
information even if they are discharged from the army. Here's one such case:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45313-2004Dec7.html
Former Marine Testifies to Atrocities in Iraq
Unit Killed Dozens of Unarmed Civilians Last Year, Canadian Refugee Board Is
Told
By Doug Struck
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, December 8, 2004; Page A20
TORONTO, Dec. 7 -- A former U.S. Marine staff sergeant testified at a
hearing Tuesday that his unit killed at least 30 unarmed civilians in Iraq
during the war in 2003 and that Marines routinely shot and killed wounded
Iraqis.
Jimmy J. Massey, a 12-year veteran, said he left Iraq in May 2003 after a
diagnosis of post-traumatic stress. He said he and his men shot and killed
four Iraqis staging a demonstration and a man with his hands up trying to
surrender, as well as women and children at roadblocks. Massey said he had
complained to his superiors about the "killing of innocent civilians," but
that nothing was done.
Massey, 33, of Waynesville, N.C., was the chief witness at a refugee board
hearing for a U.S. Army deserter, Jeremy Hinzman, who is attempting to win
asylum in Canada after he fled from Fort Bragg, N.C., rather than go to
Iraq. Hinzman, 25, the first of at least three U.S. military deserters to
apply for asylum here, argues that he refused to go to Iraq to avoid
committing war crimes.
In Washington, a Marine Corps spokesman at the Pentagon said Massey's
charges had been investigated and were unproved.
"We take such allegations very seriously," said Maj. Douglas Powell. "And
Jimmy Massey, who is a former staff sergeant, out of the Corps, has made
these statements before in the press. They've been looked into, and nothing
has been substantiated."
Massey is a former Marine recruiter who served in Iraq as the staff sergeant
for a platoon that ranged from 25 to 50 men. He testified that the killings
occurred in late March or early April 2003 as his unit, the weapons company
of the 3rd Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment, moved northward to Baghdad and
then beyond.
During one 48-hour period, Massey said under oath, his platoon set up
roadblocks and killed "30-plus" civilians. He said his men, fearing suicide
bombers, poured massive firepower into cars that did not stop as they
approached the roadblocks. In each instance, he said, none of the cars was
found to have contained explosives or arms.
"Why didn't the Iraqis stop? That is something that has plagued me every
waking moment of the day," he said. He said they may have been confused by
the Americans' gestures or thought that a warning shot was celebratory
gunfire.
"I don't know if the Iraqi people thought we were celebrating their newfound
freedom. But I do know we killed innocent civilians," Massey said. In one
case, the driver of a car leaped out with his hands up. "But we kept firing.
We killed him," Massey said. In another case, he and other Marines shot and
killed four protesters near a checkpoint after a single incoming gunshot
from an unknown source, he said. None of the protesters was found with arms.
The testimony of Massey, who was honorably discharged six months after his
medical evacuation from Iraq, is the main surviving thrust of the strategy
by Hinzman's attorney to put the Iraq war on trial at the refugee hearing.
The asylum bids by Hinzman and two other servicemen are a dilemma for the
Canadian government, which is seeking to repair relations with the Bush
administration. Canada refused to join the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the
war remains highly unpopular in Canada.
The government won a ruling that the legality of the Iraq war could not be
an issue at the refugee hearing. But Hinzman's attorney, Jeffry House, has
introduced testimonials and human rights reports to support Hinzman's claim
that he would have been forced to violate the Geneva Conventions in Iraq.
Some of Hinzman's supporters, including House, are Vietnam-era draft
dodgers. They compare Massey's testimony to the disclosure of the My Lai
massacre of civilians in Vietnam.
Hinzman, who served a tour in Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne Division,
had applied for a transfer to a noncombat position in the Army. When that
was rejected and his division was ordered to Iraq, Hinzman drove from Fort
Bragg to Canada in January with his wife and infant son.
The family is living in a basement apartment in Toronto while their request
is heard. If it is rejected, Hinzman has said, they expect to file appeals
in the Canadian courts.
Jane
Those
numbers are much more indicative of what's going on in the heads of those
soldiers than a couple of wounded soldiers asking to be sent back -
probably
more motivated by revenge than anything else.
Stat.
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
28 Dec 2004 12:34:25 AM |
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Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> on Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:03:56 -0500
spoke:
What's more important is that a much larger number of American troops have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and gone a-wall right in the middle of
the desert.
*****.
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To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
This sig censored by the Office of Home and Land Insecurity....
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
28 Dec 2004 05:03:33 AM |
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Never anonymous Bud >newskat@katxyzkave.net
wrote:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> on Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:03:56 -0500
spoke:
What's more important is that a much >>larger number of American troops have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and >>gone a-wall right in the middle of
the desert.
*****.
Of course it's *****, every one of this guy's posts is ***** propaganda.
Tony
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
28 Dec 2004 01:38:37 PM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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Never anonymous Bud >newskat@katxyzkave.net
wrote:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> on Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:03:56 -0500
spoke:
What's more important is that a much >>larger number of American troops
have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and >>gone a-wall right in the middle
of
the desert.
*****.
Of course it's *****, every one of this guy's posts is *****
propaganda.
Read and learn :-)
The Pentagon says more than 5,500 servicemen have deserted since the war
started in Iraq.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/06/60II/main659336.shtml
Stat.
Tony
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
29 Dec 2004 07:17:41 PM |
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"MonsieurStat" <monsieurstat@gmail.com> Spat the Words
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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Never anonymous Bud >newskat@katxyzkave.net
wrote:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> on Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:03:56 -0500
spoke:
What's more important is that a much >>larger number of American troops
have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and >>gone a-wall right in the
middle
of
the desert.
*****.
Of course it's *****, every one of this guy's posts is *****
propaganda.
Read and learn :-)
The Pentagon says more than 5,500 servicemen have deserted since the war
started in Iraq.
Don't confuse tony with the facts... he already has pre-conceived
notions about everything, and facts just don't often fit with what
he is thinking.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/06/60II/main659336.shtml
Stat.
Tony
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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29 Dec 2004 07:46:24 AM |
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"MonsieurStat" >monsieurstat@gmail.com
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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Never anonymous Bud >newskat@katxyzkave.net
wrote:
Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "MonsieurStat"
<monsieurstat@gmail.com> on Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:03:56 -0500
spoke:
What's more important is that a much >>larger number of American troops
have
deserted their posts right in Iraq and >>gone a-wall right in the middle
of
the desert.
*****.
Of course it's *****, every one of this >>guy's posts is *****
propaganda.
Read and learn :-)
The Pentagon says more than 5,500 >servicemen have deserted since the war
started in Iraq.
Big deal, this equates to "peace time" levels of desertion.
Tony
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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28 Dec 2004 01:22:04 AM |
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cubed
Make a crust from scratch - or go shamefully to the frozen food section
of your favorite grocery and select 2 high quality pie crusts (you
will need one for the top also).
Boil the prepared delicacy until the meat starts to come off the bones.
Remove, de-bone and cube; continue to reduce the broth.
Brown the onions, peppers and celery.
Add the meat then season, continue browning.
De-glaze with sherry, add the reduced broth.
Finally, put in the root vegetables and simmer for 15 minutes.
Allow to cool slightly.
Place the pie pan in 375 degree oven for a few minutes so bottom crust is not soggy,
reduce oven to 325.
Fill the pie with stew, place top crust and with a fork, seal the crusts together
then poke holes in top.
Return to oven and bake for 30 minutes, or until pie crust is golden brown.
Sudden Infant Death Soup
SIDS: delicious in winter, comparable to old fashioned Beef and Vegetable Soup.
Its free, you can sell the crib, baby clothes, toys, stroller... and so easy to
procure if such a lucky find is at
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
25 Dec 2004 01:37:52 AM |
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(TonyZ2001) Spat the Words
Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of
Americans by posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the
fight, and exhort their brothers to finish the job.
Your motives are transparent.
Tony
As soon as we figure out a way out of the Iraq mess, then we
can start fighting terrorism again. No way our resolve against
terrorism is going to be softened. We just had a slight delay
while Bush took care of some personal business in Iraq. We'll
get back to fighting terrorists in 10 years or so.
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
25 Dec 2004 05:51:39 AM |
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"R. Foreman" >eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net
wrote:
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) Spat the Words
Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of
Americans by posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the
fight, and exhort their brothers to finish the job.
Your motives are transparent.
Tony
As soon as we figure out a way out of the Iraq mess, then we
can start fighting terrorism again. No way our resolve against
terrorism is going to be softened. We just had a slight delay
while Bush took care of some personal business in Iraq. We'll
get back to fighting terrorists in 10 years >or so.
Why don't you STFU and go back to sleep?
You're obnviously too dim to know that some of the most vile Terrorists in the
world are in Iraq.
Tony
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
25 Dec 2004 11:55:40 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
"R. Foreman" >eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net
wrote:
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) Spat the Words
Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of
Americans by posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the
fight, and exhort their brothers to finish the job.
Your motives are transparent.
Tony
As soon as we figure out a way out of the Iraq mess, then we
can start fighting terrorism again. No way our resolve against
terrorism is going to be softened. We just had a slight delay
while Bush took care of some personal business in Iraq. We'll
get back to fighting terrorists in 10 years >or so.
Why don't you STFU and go back to sleep?
You're obnviously too dim to know that some of the most vile
Terrorists in the
world are in Iraq.
Tony
Yup! 150,000 or so of the vermin!
WH
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| User: "WH" |
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25 Dec 2004 11:57:26 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of
Americans by
posting this? No way.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the
fight, and
exhort their brothers to finish the job.
....and you have a link to where they express this I assume pantyboy?
Please post it.
WH
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| User: "Woods" |
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25 Dec 2004 02:09:47 PM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Hey you Iranian *****, do you think you will soften the resolve of Americans by
posting this? No way.
Think again, Tony. Why do you think Duhbya won't allow any photos of
coffins of soldiers? It's strictly PR because the American people don't
think Iran is worth the cost, if they knew what the cost was.
Most of those wounded GI's express the desire to get back into the fight, and
exhort their brothers to finish the job.
You seem to have forgotten the link to Stars and Stripes where this
survey was published. Please post that source. Thanks so much.
Your motives are transparent.
So are yours. So what?
Woods
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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| Title: Re: The Wounded |
27 Dec 2004 11:04:22 PM |
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soy & teriyaki
minced ginger, etc.
1 tablespoon cornstarch dissolved in a little cold water
1 egg beaten
Make the stuffing:
Marinate the flesh in a mixture of soy and teriyaki sauces
then stir fry in hot oil for till brown - about 1 minute, remove.
Stir-fry the vegetables.
Put the meat back into the wok and adjust the seasoning.
De-glaze with sherry, cooking off the alcohol.
Add broth (optional) cook a few more minutes.
Add the cornstarch, cook a few minutes till thick,
then place the stuffing into a colander and cool;
2 hours
Wrap the rolls:
Place 3 tablespoons of stuffing in the wrap, roll tightly -
corner nearest you first, fold 2 side corners in,
wrap till remaining corner is left.
Brush with egg, seal, and allow to sit on the seal for
a few minutes.
Fry the rolls:
325° if using egg roll wraps, 350° for spring roll wraps.
Deep fry in peanut oil till crispy golden brown, drain on paper towels.
Lemon Neonate
Turkey serves just as well, and in fact even looks a bit like a
well-dressed baby. By the time you turn the child?s breast into
cutlets, it will be indistinguishable. The taste of young human,
although similar to turkey (and chicken) often can be w
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