Condoleezza Rice said the US was ill prepared for Sept 11. despite a
threat two decades in the making. Acutally it is more like four
centuries in the making. What comes next must be beyond
imagination....
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
This quatrain reveals the style and hidden essence of the prophecies.
THE ACTUAL WTC PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - II, 89:
THE CROSS OF DESTRUCTION:
CENTURY II, QUATRAIN 89
Vn iour seront demis les deux grands maistres,
Leur grand pouuoir se verra augmenté:
La terre neuue sera en ses hauts estres,
Au sanguinaire le nombre racompté.
One day the two great masters will be halved,
Their great power will be seen increased:
The new land will be at its high peak,
To the Bloody One the number recounted.
*SEE DOUBLE?*
New Land = America (SEE X,66)
The Bloody One = Antichrist (SEE X, 66)
Time of prophecy: One day.
Two great masters halved: 2 skyscrapers of WTC and 2 aircraft. Also
symbolic
of TECHNOLOGY and CAPITALISM concretely embodied by the *planes* and
*towers*.
Place of destruction: The high peak of the
"New Land."
Mode of destruction: Number recounted = x2.
The American Antichrist of X,66 and the
"King of Terror" of X,72 is the "BLOODY ONE."
See how X.72 provides the starting DATE (1999) and how X.66 provides
the
PLACE (AMERICA) for the destructive revelations of the Antichrist (THE
BLOODY ONE)? See how each quatrain is linked together?
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08 Apr 2004 06:52:26 PM |
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It is that time of the month, our moon boy aka (Sinned) wrote in message news:<18753eda.0404080658.63a50919@posting.google.com>...
Condoleezza Rice said the US was ill prepared for Sept 11. despite a
threat two decades in the making. Acutally it is more like four
centuries in the making. What comes next must be beyond
imagination....
Lying comes naturally to Condie aka "the ***** of Babylon"
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
This quatrain reveals the style and hidden essence of the prophecies.
THE ACTUAL WTC PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - II, 89:
THE CROSS OF DESTRUCTION:
SNIP
Well after this point it goes right off the rails, even by guesswork
this wrong at the outset.
It does not even allude to any cross of Destruction, no destruction of
any buildings and has nothing to do with NY.
Ignoring a small fact that Nostradamus was interested in Europe, how
could he express the goings on in the USA.
But just to prove a lie is harder to kill than a truth.
LB
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08 Apr 2004 10:11:37 AM |
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Sinned wrote:
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
Nope.
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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09 Apr 2004 12:37:10 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:11:37 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
*
Sinned wrote:
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
Nope.
*
Oh, I wouldn't be THAT categorical. Of course, according to the
likes of you, Nostradamua did not predict anything at all, which
is the Lemesurier party line. But for those who have not lost the
ability to think for themselves, here is a slightly edited re-
post about the World Trade Center events:
*
Subject: Nostradamus and the World Trade Center
Date: 18 Sep 2001 22:44:28 GMT
Message-ID: <9o8ioc$7qq$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>
*
Nostradamus and the World Trade Center
*
The debate as to whether Nostradamus did or did not predict the
World Trade Center events continues to rage. This revised post
continues to say: yes, he did, and here is where and how.
*
First, a look at the original quatrain I-87:
*
C E N T V R I E P R E M I E R E.
(édition de 1555)
*
87 Ennosigée feu du centre de terre
Fera trembler au tour de cité neufue:
Deux grandsrochiers long tempsferont la guerre
Puis Arethusa rougira nouueau fleuue.
*
Because this text is coded in cryptic anagrams, it is sheer
nonsense to attempt to translate it in English. At best, we can
speak of three words in line 1, feu (= fire), centre (= center),
and terre (= earth, or world). Line 2: tour (= tower), cité
(= city), neufue (= new).
*
When I first decyphered this quatrain, I expected to see the
bombing attack upon the WTC in February 1993. So, that's what I
found (see top of page 313 in my book).
*
*** first decyphered version ***
*
En Feurier Nonante Trois, ceux de
l'Islam feront éuacuer une Tour de Fer
du Grand U S et feront six mors et mille touchés par
leur si graue et folle haine pour Israël.
*
In English:
*
In February Ninety Three, those of
Islam will cause the evacuation of a Tower of Iron
of the Great U S and will make six dead and one thousand wounded by
their so deep and foolish hatred for Israel.
*
Despite the fact that this decyphered text found many years ago
(on November 25, 1996, to be precise) gives a specific date, a
specific event, a specific number of casualties, and a specific
reason for it all, two anomalies stand up in decyphered line 2:
first, it speaks of 'a Tower', while in fact *two towers* were
then evacuated; and second, it speaks of a Tower of Iron.
*
While it is true today that the highest standing structure of its
ruins appears to be of aluminum, and that the rescuers of
September 2001 complained of a lack of steel workers able to cut
the metal ruins in manageable pieces for removal, and that
reinforced concrete was also part of these buildings, to describe
them as Towers of Iron appears to be a gross inaccuracy, leading
to a correction to the decyphered line 2, as follows:
*
*** first decyphered version ***
*
En Feurier Nonante Trois, ceux de
ce fier Islam font éuacuer deux Tours
du Grand U S et feront six mors et mille touchés par
leur si graue et folle haine pour Israël.
*
In English:
*
In February Ninety Three, those of
this proud Islam cause the evacuation of two Towers
of the Great U S and will make six dead and one thousand wounded by
their so deep and foolish hatred for Israel.
*
Back in 1996, I was surprized to see an event causing so few
deaths figuring so prominently in the very words used by
Nostradamus in his published text: fire, centre, world, shall
shake, tower, new city, all pointing to the World Trade Centre in
New York.
*
Now, I know why. There was still another version hiding behind
this verse, and - as usual after the fact - that version was
found.
*
*** second decyphered version ***
*
Vng rude feu torture des Innocens
de l'Américque, une torture Arabe que
deux Cités du Grand U S auront pesle-mesle - ô Horreur!,
puis le Cher U S tuera ung féroce Osama.
*
In English:
*
A rough fire tortures innocents
of America, an Arab torture which
two Cities of the Great U S shall have topsy-turvy, O Horror!,
afterwards the Dear U S shall kill a ferocious Osama.
*
Which leads me to conclude that Nostradamus did indeed predict
the September 11, 2001, events in New York and Washington (deux
Cités = two cities).
*
Some would have preferred that this hidden text be found and
published before that day. So would I. But... I am neither a
prophet nor a seer.
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
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Claude Latrémouille % "Claude! There ain't no stinkin' %
18 septembre 2001 - % cryptic anagrams in them dang verses, %
APNCL#1271 -------- % ya hear?!" (A chorus of a.p.n. voices) %
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09 Apr 2004 08:27:14 AM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> a écrit dans le message
news: c55cq6$b5e$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:11:37 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
*
Sinned wrote:
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
Nope.
*
Oh, I wouldn't be THAT categorical. Of course, according to the
likes of you, Nostradamua did not predict anything at all, which
is the Lemesurier party line. But for those who have not lost the
ability to think for themselves, here is a slightly edited re-
post about the World Trade Center events:
*
You are not a prophet, but how many bad predictions are found in your book?
You claim to hold the true, or to have the easiest way???
Poor you!
Rino
Subject: Nostradamus and the World Trade Center
Date: 18 Sep 2001 22:44:28 GMT
Message-ID: <9o8ioc$7qq$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>
*
Nostradamus and the World Trade Center
*
The debate as to whether Nostradamus did or did not predict the
World Trade Center events continues to rage. This revised post
continues to say: yes, he did, and here is where and how.
*
First, a look at the original quatrain I-87:
*
C E N T V R I E P R E M I E R E.
(édition de 1555)
*
87 Ennosigée feu du centre de terre
Fera trembler au tour de cité neufue:
Deux grandsrochiers long tempsferont la guerre
Puis Arethusa rougira nouueau fleuue.
*
Because this text is coded in cryptic anagrams, it is sheer
nonsense to attempt to translate it in English. At best, we can
speak of three words in line 1, feu (= fire), centre (= center),
and terre (= earth, or world). Line 2: tour (= tower), cité
(= city), neufue (= new).
*
When I first decyphered this quatrain, I expected to see the
bombing attack upon the WTC in February 1993. So, that's what I
found (see top of page 313 in my book).
*
*** first decyphered version ***
*
En Feurier Nonante Trois, ceux de
l'Islam feront éuacuer une Tour de Fer
du Grand U S et feront six mors et mille touchés par
leur si graue et folle haine pour Israël.
*
In English:
*
In February Ninety Three, those of
Islam will cause the evacuation of a Tower of Iron
of the Great U S and will make six dead and one thousand wounded by
their so deep and foolish hatred for Israel.
*
Despite the fact that this decyphered text found many years ago
(on November 25, 1996, to be precise) gives a specific date, a
specific event, a specific number of casualties, and a specific
reason for it all, two anomalies stand up in decyphered line 2:
first, it speaks of 'a Tower', while in fact *two towers* were
then evacuated; and second, it speaks of a Tower of Iron.
*
While it is true today that the highest standing structure of its
ruins appears to be of aluminum, and that the rescuers of
September 2001 complained of a lack of steel workers able to cut
the metal ruins in manageable pieces for removal, and that
reinforced concrete was also part of these buildings, to describe
them as Towers of Iron appears to be a gross inaccuracy, leading
to a correction to the decyphered line 2, as follows:
*
*** first decyphered version ***
*
En Feurier Nonante Trois, ceux de
ce fier Islam font éuacuer deux Tours
du Grand U S et feront six mors et mille touchés par
leur si graue et folle haine pour Israël.
*
In English:
*
In February Ninety Three, those of
this proud Islam cause the evacuation of two Towers
of the Great U S and will make six dead and one thousand wounded by
their so deep and foolish hatred for Israel.
*
Back in 1996, I was surprized to see an event causing so few
deaths figuring so prominently in the very words used by
Nostradamus in his published text: fire, centre, world, shall
shake, tower, new city, all pointing to the World Trade Centre in
New York.
*
Now, I know why. There was still another version hiding behind
this verse, and - as usual after the fact - that version was
found.
*
*** second decyphered version ***
*
Vng rude feu torture des Innocens
de l'Américque, une torture Arabe que
deux Cités du Grand U S auront pesle-mesle - ô Horreur!,
puis le Cher U S tuera ung féroce Osama.
*
In English:
*
A rough fire tortures innocents
of America, an Arab torture which
two Cities of the Great U S shall have topsy-turvy, O Horror!,
afterwards the Dear U S shall kill a ferocious Osama.
*
Which leads me to conclude that Nostradamus did indeed predict
the September 11, 2001, events in New York and Washington (deux
Cités = two cities).
*
Some would have preferred that this hidden text be found and
published before that day. So would I. But... I am neither a
prophet nor a seer.
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Claude Latrémouille % "Claude! There ain't no stinkin' %
18 septembre 2001 - % cryptic anagrams in them dang verses, %
APNCL#1271 -------- % ya hear?!" (A chorus of a.p.n. voices) %
------------------- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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| Title: Re: THE WTC PROPHECY - THE CRUCIFIXITION OF THE USA |
09 Apr 2004 06:12:03 PM |
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:27:14 -0400, "Rino" <rinomailloux@videotron.ca>
wrote:
*
You are not a prophet, but how many bad predictions are found in your book?
You claim to hold the true, or to have the easiest way???
Poor you!
Rino
*
What's the matter, Rino? Do you feel threatened by something I
wrote in the post you are responding to? Do you have anything
useful to contribute to Nostradamus' studies?
*
You are not a prophet
*
Seems that I had just finished writing exactly that:
*
Some would have preferred that this hidden text be found and
published before that day. So would I. But... I am neither a
prophet nor a seer.
*
See, Rino? I know and even agree that I am not a prophet. You, on
the contrary, seem to think that you are a prophet. Here is what
you wrote to Jean on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 at 22:46:36 -0500:
*
In 1993, I knew of
Michel Dufresne death (year, month, day, hour, minute), and I knew that you
would be the one finishing his work. This was long before I learned about
you in this N/G.
Rino
*
And today, you write:
*
how many bad predictions are found in your book?
*
Depends. I would like to count on you to identify them and post
them all here, so as to allow everyone to see for themselves how
many there are.
*
That's what I have done from the very first day. I post every
mistake I have found here, so as to allow people to see for
themselves what they are, how they were made, and why. I also try
to correct them, if I can help it.
*
So, if you find any which I have not yet posted here, you are
welcome to post them yourself. That way, we will both know 'how
many bad predictions are found in [my] book'. Is this not a good
way to proceed? About I-87:
*
C E N T V R I E P R E M I E R E.
(édition de 1555)
*
87 Ennosigée feu du centre de terre
Fera trembler au tour de cité neufue:
Deux grandsrochiers long tempsferont la guerre
Puis Arethusa rougira nouueau fleuue.
*
That was the original. The decyphered texts follow:
*
En Feurier Nonante Trois, ceux de
ce fier Islam font éuacuer deux Tours
du Grand U S et feront six mors et mille touchés par
leur si graue et folle haine pour Israël.
*
And this one:
*
Vng rude feu torture des Innocens
de l'Américque, une torture Arabe que
deux Cités du Grand U S auront pesle-mesle - ô Horreur!,
puis le Cher U S tuera ung féroce Osama.
*
This last one contains what you call 'a bad prediction', that of
the slaying of Osama Ben Laden. So far, he is still alive. We
will shortly see -- before the November US presidential elections
-- whether the US is going to kill him so as to get Bush re-
elected, or whether he will die a natural death of kidney
failure, or whether he will commit suicide, or whether he will be
killed by one of his 'friends' interested in collecting the
$25,000,000 reward put on his head by the US, or... etc, etc.
*
Then, you will be in a position to state whether the decyphered
text above contains 'a bad prediction'.
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
http://www.torfree.net/~claudel
*
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10 Apr 2004 07:34:06 AM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> a écrit dans le message
news: c57ak3$7md$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:27:14 -0400, "Rino" <rinomailloux@videotron.ca>
wrote:
*
You are not a prophet, but how many bad predictions are found in your
book?
You claim to hold the true, or to have the easiest way???
Poor you!
Rino
*
What's the matter, Rino? Do you feel threatened by something I
wrote in the post you are responding to? Do you have anything
useful to contribute to Nostradamus' studies?
*
I am in this N/G to learn!
You are not a prophet
*
Seems that I had just finished writing exactly that:
*
Some would have preferred that this hidden text be found and
published before that day. So would I. But... I am neither a
prophet nor a seer.
*
See, Rino? I know and even agree that I am not a prophet. You, on
the contrary, seem to think that you are a prophet. Here is what
you wrote to Jean on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 at 22:46:36 -0500:
*
In 1993, I knew of
Michel Dufresne death (year, month, day, hour, minute), and I knew that
you
would be the one finishing his work. This was long before I learned about
you in this N/G.
Yes, I did!
Nostradamus is the prophet bihind this
Rino
*
And today, you write:
*
how many bad predictions are found in your book?
*
Depends. I would like to count on you to identify them and post
them all here, so as to allow everyone to see for themselves how
many there are.
*
Holding your book in my hands; it seems like becoming hot of the many
mistakes.*
That's what I have done from the very first day. I post every
mistake I have found here, so as to allow people to see for
themselves what they are, how they were made, and why. I also try
to correct them, if I can help it.
*
It is partly being honest!
Tell us that your anagrams are not so good!
The only one that I agree with is the destruction of Paris.
On the date you are giving? I have now some doubts.
By the USA? This is your greatest error. The origin must prevail. The US did
this high born power!
See Q.2,92
Rino
So, if you find any which I have not yet posted here, you are
welcome to post them yourself. That way, we will both know 'how
many bad predictions are found in [my] book'. Is this not a good
way to proceed? About I-87:
*
C E N T V R I E P R E M I E R E.
(édition de 1555)
*
87 Ennosigée feu du centre de terre
Fera trembler au tour de cité neufue:
Deux grandsrochiers long tempsferont la guerre
Puis Arethusa rougira nouueau fleuue.
*
That was the original. The decyphered texts follow:
*
En Feurier Nonante Trois, ceux de
ce fier Islam font éuacuer deux Tours
du Grand U S et feront six mors et mille touchés par
leur si graue et folle haine pour Israël.
*
And this one:
*
Vng rude feu torture des Innocens
de l'Américque, une torture Arabe que
deux Cités du Grand U S auront pesle-mesle - ô Horreur!,
puis le Cher U S tuera ung féroce Osama.
*
This last one contains what you call 'a bad prediction', that of
the slaying of Osama Ben Laden. So far, he is still alive. We
will shortly see -- before the November US presidential elections
-- whether the US is going to kill him so as to get Bush re-
elected, or whether he will die a natural death of kidney
failure, or whether he will commit suicide, or whether he will be
killed by one of his 'friends' interested in collecting the
$25,000,000 reward put on his head by the US, or... etc, etc.
*
Then, you will be in a position to state whether the decyphered
text above contains 'a bad prediction'.
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
http://www.torfree.net/~claudel
*
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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| Title: Re: THE WTC PROPHECY - THE CRUCIFIXITION OF THE USA |
10 Apr 2004 03:53:51 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:34:06 -0400, "Rino" <rinomailloux@videotron.ca>
wrote
*
I am in this N/G to learn!
*
Me too, believe it or not, but I have not had that pleasure in
quite some time, given the ***** posted here in thousands of off-
topic articles by morveux (Blenni) like Jean Guernon who cannot
see the difference between a NewsGroup concerning Nostradamus'
prophecies, and one devoted to American politics, Middle Eastern
affairs, etc.
*
[...]
*
See, Rino? I know and even agree that I am not a prophet. You, on
the contrary, seem to think that you are a prophet. Here is what
you wrote to Jean on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 at 22:46:36 -0500:
*
In 1993, I knew of
Michel Dufresne death (year, month, day, hour, minute), and I knew that
you would be the one finishing his work. This was long before I learned
about you in this N/G.
Yes, I did!
Nostradamus is the prophet bihind this
*
Oh, I see. Nostradamus indicated to you in some way in 1993 that
Michel Dufresne would die on a certain year, month, day, hour,
minute, and that Jean Guernon -- whom you did not know about then
-- would be finishing his work?
*
[...]
*
how many bad predictions are found in your book?
*
Depends. I would like to count on you to identify them and post
them all here, so as to allow everyone to see for themselves how
many there are.
*
Holding your book in my hands; it seems like becoming hot of the many
mistakes.*
*
Before you burn your fingers with it, could you tell me the date
of printing on its last page? That way, I shall know from which
edition and which printing you are reading.
*
That's what I have done from the very first day. I post every
mistake I have found here, so as to allow people to see for
themselves what they are, how they were made, and why. I also try
to correct them, if I can help it.
*
It is partly being honest!
Tell us that your anagrams are not so good!
The only one that I agree with is the destruction of Paris.
On the date you are giving? I have now some doubts.
By the USA? This is your greatest error. The origin must prevail. The US did
this high born power!
See Q.2,92
Rino
So, if you find any which I have not yet posted here, you are
welcome to post them yourself. That way, we will both know 'how
many bad predictions are found in [my] book'. Is this not a good
way to proceed?
*
I am waiting, Rino. List the 'bad predictions found in [my] book'
and which have not already been mentioned (and corrected) in this
NewsGroup.
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latrémouille
http://www.torfree.net/~claudel
*
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| User: "Rino" |
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| Title: Re: THE WTC PROPHECY - THE CRUCIFIXITION OF THE USA |
10 Apr 2004 09:27:16 PM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> a écrit dans le message
news: c59msv$nqf$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:34:06 -0400, "Rino" <rinomailloux@videotron.ca>
wrote
*
I am in this N/G to learn!
*
Me too, believe it or not, but I have not had that pleasure in
quite some time, given the ***** posted here in thousands of off-
topic articles by morveux (Blenni) like Jean Guernon who cannot
see the difference between a NewsGroup concerning Nostradamus'
prophecies, and one devoted to American politics, Middle Eastern
affairs, etc.
*
[...]
*
See, Rino? I know and even agree that I am not a prophet. You, on
the contrary, seem to think that you are a prophet. Here is what
you wrote to Jean on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 at 22:46:36 -0500:
*
In 1993, I knew
of
Michel Dufresne death (year, month, day, hour, minute), and I knew
that
you would be the one finishing his work. This was long before I
learned
about you in this N/G.
Yes, I did!
Nostradamus is the prophet bihind this
*
Oh, I see. Nostradamus indicated to you in some way in 1993 that
Michel Dufresne would die on a certain year, month, day, hour,
minute, and that Jean Guernon -- whom you did not know about then
-- would be finishing his work?
*
That someone else would! He happens to be the one.
I cannot help it, you know.
[...]
*
how many bad predictions are found in your book?
*
Depends. I would like to count on you to identify them and post
them all here, so as to allow everyone to see for themselves how
many there are.
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Holding your book in my hands; it seems like becoming hot of the many
mistakes.*
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Before you burn your fingers with it, could you tell me the date
of printing on its last page? That way, I shall know from which
edition and which printing you are reading.
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That's what I have done from the very first day. I post every
mistake I have found here, so as to allow people to see for
themselves what they are, how they were made, and why. I also try
to correct them, if I can help it.
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It is partly being honest!
Tell us that your anagrams are not so good!
The only one that I agree with is the destruction of Paris.
On the date you are giving? I have now some doubts.
By the USA? This is your greatest error. The origin must prevail. The US
did
this high born power!
See Q.2,92
Rino
So, if you find any which I have not yet posted here, you are
welcome to post them yourself. That way, we will both know 'how
many bad predictions are found in [my] book'. Is this not a good
way to proceed?
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I am waiting, Rino. List the 'bad predictions found in [my] book'
and which have not already been mentioned (and corrected) in this
NewsGroup.
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May be you did!
I am not following all the comments
Sorry, I believe you are honest
Rino
Have a nice day, ye all!
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http://www.torfree.net/~claudel
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09 Apr 2004 12:43:42 PM |
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Claude Latremouille wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:11:37 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Sinned wrote:
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
Nope.
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Oh, I wouldn't be THAT categorical.
Of course you wouldn't which is neither here nor there.
Of course, according to the
likes of you, Nostradamua did not predict anything at all, which
is the Lemesurier party line.
It is the party line for people who understand a simple fact. Cryptic
gibberish can be postdicted to anything, especially given hundreds of
years. But it says nothing about the original posters ability to
'predict' anything.
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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10 Apr 2004 11:35:02 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:43:42 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Claude Latremouille had written about what
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:11:37 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Sinned wrote:
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
Nope.
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Oh, I wouldn't be THAT categorical.
Of course you wouldn't which is neither here nor there.
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The only way one can be as categorical as you were is to be
knowledgeable about everything Nostradamus has ever written,
which is not your case (nor mine). So, intellectual honesty
forces us either to state that we do not know if Nostradamus
predicted the Sept. 11/2001 events (which I understand to be your
case, and your statement to be something akin to propaganda), or
to demonstrate (perhaps not to your satisfaction -- but you can't
read the stuff anyway, another indication that your post was
nothing but propaganda) that some of his obscure poems do point
to various elements of these events.
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Of course, according to the
likes of you, Nostradamua did not predict anything at all, which
is the Lemesurier party line.
It is the party line for people who understand a simple fact. Cryptic
gibberish can be postdicted to anything, especially given hundreds of
years. But it says nothing about the original posters ability to
'predict' anything.
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The original poster was asking a question, not predicting
anything. As to the party line, in case another 'simple fact'
might have escaped you, it is the view of people like you that
Nostradamus did not predict anything at all. As people like you
cannot read what Nostradamus wrote, that view is nothing but pure
propaganda.
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As to your specific statement above about 'cryptic gibberish'
which 'can be postdicted to anything, especially when given
hundreds of years', you seem to have discarded a very important
feature of Nostradamus' texts: he did not want people to predict
the future using his original texts, but wanted them to realize,
after the fact, after the events, that he, Nostradamus, had
foreseen these events.
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As you have discarded it, I am not going to ask you to think
about it as you are obviously too narrow-minded to do so. As I
write for lurkers, I shall however indicate *why* Nostradamus did
that. He wanted his readers of the future to realize that he was
a true seer/prophet, but he also wanted them to ask themselves:
what is the use of a prophecy which reveals itself only after the
fact?
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And if his readers were to ask themselves that question, they
would have less difficulty with the following answer: Nostradamus
wanted them to realize that the poems they were reading *were
not* his prophecy, but were obscure texts hiding his prophecy in
prose.
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For more on this subject, see http://web.ncf.ca/cj559 and, if you
can read French, http://www.torfree.net/~claudel
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Have a nice day, ye all!
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Claude Latrémouille
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| User: "Mark" |
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11 Apr 2004 12:11:01 AM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:c597nm$36g$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:43:42 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
you seem to have discarded a very important
feature of Nostradamus' texts: he did not want people to predict
the future using his original texts, but wanted them to realize,
after the fact, after the events, that he, Nostradamus, had
foreseen these events.
Hmmm... using 'his original texts'.
I assume you mean using his original texts in ANY form, fashion, or
function?
If true... wouldn't that, by definition, render your own 'interpretations'
as equally invalid as all others?
In fact, it would NECESSITATE that your future predictions about the
destruction of Paris HAS to be wrong.
As ALL interpretations of Nosty's 'future' predictions must be...
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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11 Apr 2004 07:47:33 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:11:01 GMT, coming to the rescue (as expected) of
Cardinal Chunder <cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com>, "Mark"
<mburggra1@earthlink.net> wrote about what
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:c597nm$36g$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:43:42 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
you seem to have discarded a very important
feature of Nostradamus' texts: he did not want people to predict
the future using his original texts, but wanted them to realize,
after the fact, after the events, that he, Nostradamus, had
foreseen these events.
Hmmm... using 'his original texts'.
I assume you mean using his original texts in ANY form, fashion, or
function?
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Wrong assumption. His original texts means... his original texts.
The ones which are 'loaded' with steganography and polygraphy.
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(Polygraphy is the art of hiding more than one text inside the
very same text.)
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As I seem to be the only one in this NewsGroup to be speaking of
these encyphering techniques, perhaps a quote from another source
might cause a few of your neurones to fire up:
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From the "Crypto-Gram Newsletter
October 15, 1998
by Bruce Schneier
President
Counterpane Systems
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Steganography: Truths and Fictions
Steganography is the science of hiding messages in messages. In the
ancient world, it might mean tattooing a secret message on the shaved
head of a messenger, and letting his hair grow back before sending him
through enemy territory. In the computer world, it has come to mean
hiding secret messages in graphics, pictures, movies, or sounds. The
sender hides the message in the low-order bits of one of these file
types -- the quality degrades slightly, but if you do it right it will
hardly be noticeable -- and the receiver extracts it at the other end.
Several commercial and freeware programs offer steganography, either
by themselves or as part of a complete communications security
package. Here's the rationale: If Alice wants to send Bob an e-mail
message securely, she can use any of several popular e-mail encryption
programs. However, an eavesdropper can intercept the message and,
while he might not be able to read it, will know that Alice is sending
Bob a secret message. Steganography allows Alice to communicate to Bob
secretly; she can take her message and hide it in a GIF file of a pair
of giraffes. When the eavesdropper intercepts the message, all he sees
is a picture of two giraffes; he has no idea that Alice is sending Bob
a secret message. She can even encrypt it before hiding it, for extra
protection.
So far, so good. But that's not how it really works in practice. The
eavesdropper isn't stupid; as soon as he sees the giraffe picture he's
going to get suspicious. Why would Alice send Bob a picture of two
giraffes? Does Bob collect giraffes? Is he a graphic artist? Have
Alice and Bob been passing this same giraffe picture back and forth
for weeks on end? Do they even mention the picture?
The point of steganography is to hide the existence of the message, to
hide the fact that the parties are communicating anything other than
innocuous photographs. This only works when it can be used within
existing communications patterns. I've never sent or received a GIF in
my life. If someone suddenly sends me one, it won't take a rocket
scientist to realize that there's a steganographic message hidden
somewhere in it. If Alice and Bob already regularly exchange files
that are suitable to hide steganographic messages, then an
eavesdropper won't know which messages -- if any -- contain the
messages. If Alice and Bob change their communications patterns to
hide the messages, it won't work. An eavesdropper will figure it out.
This is important. I've seen steganography recommended for secret
communications in oppressive regimes, where the simple act of sending
an encrypted e-mail could be considered subversive. This is bad
advice. The threat model assumes that you are under suspicion and want
to look innocent in the face of an investigation. This is hard. You
are going to be using a steganography program that is available to
your eavesdropper. He will have a copy. He will be on the alert for
steganographic messages. Don't use the sample image that came with the
program when you downloaded it; your eavesdropper will quickly
recognize that one. Don't use the same image over and over again; your
eavesdropper will look for the differences between that indicate the
hidden message. Don't use an image that you've downloaded from the
net; your eavesdropper can easily compare the image you're sending
with the reference image you downloaded. (You can assume he monitored
the download, or that he searched the net and found the same image.)
And you'd better have a damn good cover story to explain why you're
sending images back and forth. And that cover story should exist
before you start sending steganographic messages, and afterwards. Or
you haven't really gained anything.
Steganography can also be used to hide files on your hard drive. This
is also problematic. Say the secret police arrest you and start going
through your hard drive. You've got a bunch of pornographic pictures
on your hard drive, so you've got a decent cover story. But you've
also got the steganographic program on your hard drive, so the secret
police are suspicious. They might try to download the same pictures
from the net and look for the telltale differences that indicate a
hidden message. Or they might just assume that you've got some
messages hidden somewhere. There's some advantage here over straight
encryption -- at least in free countries you can argue that the police
have no real evidence -- but you have to think it out very carefully."
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Although the preceding text did not have Nostradamus' original
texts in mind, I thought it useful to open up your very closed
mind about encyphering techniques whose prime characteristic is
to prevent anyone from guessing that what you are publishing
hides anything at all. Nostradamus was a master at this.
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Have a nice day, ye all!
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Claude Latrémouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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12 Apr 2004 06:35:37 AM |
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Claude Latremouille wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:43:42 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Claude Latremouille had written about what
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:11:37 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Sinned wrote:
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
Nope.
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Oh, I wouldn't be THAT categorical.
Of course you wouldn't which is neither here nor there.
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The only way one can be as categorical as you were is to be
knowledgeable about everything Nostradamus has ever written,
which is not your case (nor mine).
The only way we can be categorical about anything is if we examine every
last detail. Obviously this is not possible so we get into probilities
and likelihoods.
So, intellectual honesty
forces us either to state that we do not know if Nostradamus
predicted the Sept. 11/2001 events (which I understand to be your
case, and your statement to be something akin to propaganda), or
to demonstrate (perhaps not to your satisfaction -- but you can't
read the stuff anyway, another indication that your post was
nothing but propaganda) that some of his obscure poems do point
to various elements of these events.
And intellectual honesty forces us either to state that we do not know
if Barney the Purple Dinosaur predicted the Sept 11/2001 events too. etc.
I'm sure Barney has pointed to various elements of the events if only
someone were concerned enough to look for them. It doesn't mean that he
did, just that the person doing the looking projected their own beliefs
onto what they saw and wrongly came to that conclusion.
If you think this is unjust, how about using Nostradamus to predict
something before happens, rather than making a postdiction afterwards?
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12 Apr 2004 11:03:15 PM |
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I just bet you Mel Gibson will make a movie on that too!
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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13 Apr 2004 03:15:55 AM |
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Saint Isidore of Laytonville wrote:
I just bet you Mel Gibson will make a movie on that too!
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
The Passion of Barney :)
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12 Apr 2004 12:19:25 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:35:37 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Claude Latremouille wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:43:42 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Claude Latremouille had written about what
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:11:37 +0100, Cardinal Chunder
<cc@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote about what
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Sinned wrote:
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?
Nope.
*
Oh, I wouldn't be THAT categorical.
Of course you wouldn't which is neither here nor there.
*
The only way one can be as categorical as you were is to be
knowledgeable about everything Nostradamus has ever written,
which is not your case (nor mine).
The only way we can be categorical about anything is if we examine every
last detail. Obviously this is not possible so we get into probilities
and likelihoods.
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And I suppose your word 'Nope' above was dealing with
probabilities and likelihoods? Funny, I thought it meant... NO!
*
So, intellectual honesty
forces us either to state that we do not know if Nostradamus
predicted the Sept. 11/2001 events (which I understand to be your
case, and your statement to be something akin to propaganda), or
to demonstrate (perhaps not to your satisfaction -- but you can't
read the stuff anyway, another indication that your post was
nothing but propaganda) that some of his obscure poems do point
to various elements of these events.
And intellectual honesty forces us either to state that we do not know
if Barney the Purple Dinosaur predicted the Sept 11/2001 events too. etc.
I'm sure Barney has pointed to various elements of the events if only
someone were concerned enough to look for them. It doesn't mean that he
did, just that the person doing the looking projected their own beliefs
onto what they saw and wrongly came to that conclusion.
If you think this is unjust, how about using Nostradamus to predict
something before happens, rather than making a postdiction afterwards?
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As to your last paragraph, you may refer to
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559 where you will find some of what you are
asking here.
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As to your previous comment, intellectual honesty forces us to
state that Barney the Purple Dinosaur did not write the following
poem, but that Michel de Nostredame did:
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C E N T V R I E P R E M I E R E.
(édition de 1555)
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87 Ennosigée feu du centre de terre
Fera trembler au tour de cité neufue:
Deux grandsrochiers long tempsferont la guerre
Puis Arethusa rougira nouueau fleuue.
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As you can't even read this, your comment about what people think
it means is worth... the paper it was written on.
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Have a nice day, ye all!
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Claude Latrémouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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