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"Joe" |
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13 Mar 2005 07:50:59 PM |
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There's only one practical way to try to stop the U.S. war machine... |
It should be abundantly clear to reasonable people the world over that
the citizens of the U.S. are far too mentally and morally defective to
be expected to do or even try to do anything to rein in the madmen
that rule the U.S.
The best chance to stop the madmen and their war macine is to stop the
U.S. dollar; the one thing that the madmen in Washington have little
control over.
It is very likely within the power of the OPEC countries and China,
Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, acting collectively, to stop this
madness.
In fact, it is a moral duty of any country propping up the dollar in
any sense, to stop doing so, and instead do anything in their power to
destroy the dollar.
It will only be when the U.S. is no longer a "superpower" propping up
the abominable state of Israel, for example, that there is any chance
of peace in the Mid-East, or or in Colombia, for example.
Every drop of blood shed in Iraq because of the brutal occupation, or
in the occupied Palestinian territories, or in Colombia, is not only
on the hands of the U.S. government and the U.S. citizens that support
their government's crimes, it is increasingly on those countries who
make it all possible by financing the monster as it eats the world
alive.
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| User: " John F Lemke" |
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| Title: Re: There's only one practical way to try to stop the U.S. war machine... |
13 Mar 2005 08:38:27 PM |
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I agree with a lot of your sentiment here but none of this will happen.
All that do business with the monster will be co-opted. OPEC, Japan and
especially China will never do anything to damage their largest customer.
It's in their best interest to feed the monster. China's been buying
dollars to beat the band lately to keep it's value propped up. They want to
keep their products cheap enough and our economy healthy enough for us to
voraciously consume. It's a different world now, controlled by a common
force.
You could also say that we "mentally and morally defectives" have been
co-opted also. Our lives depend on this system. Our children's lives
depend on this system. Try firmly and clearly explaining to a patriotic
American the wrongs, the horrors that have occurred in the name of freedom
and liberty and the American way of life and if you get any response at all
it will more than likely rouse an angry passion that will startle you. Even
in the kindest of old people. At the core of this passion is self
preservation. It's the same core passion that, for example, inspired
Marines to fight thru unimaginable horror at places like Iwo Jima and
Peleliu. It's the same passion that would turn Teheran into a flat shiny
mirror if Iran was found to be behind another "Pearl Harbor" attack on
America sometime in the future. The powers that be know very well how to
kindle and focus this passion.
We're all in the belly of the monster but there is a shattering on the way.
"Joe" <jpsmith123@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4532e8.0503131750.5aa32d9c@posting.google.com...
It should be abundantly clear to reasonable people the world over that
the citizens of the U.S. are far too mentally and morally defective to
be expected to do or even try to do anything to rein in the madmen
that rule the U.S.
The best chance to stop the madmen and their war macine is to stop the
U.S. dollar; the one thing that the madmen in Washington have little
control over.
It is very likely within the power of the OPEC countries and China,
Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, acting collectively, to stop this
madness.
In fact, it is a moral duty of any country propping up the dollar in
any sense, to stop doing so, and instead do anything in their power to
destroy the dollar.
It will only be when the U.S. is no longer a "superpower" propping up
the abominable state of Israel, for example, that there is any chance
of peace in the Mid-East, or or in Colombia, for example.
Every drop of blood shed in Iraq because of the brutal occupation, or
in the occupied Palestinian territories, or in Colombia, is not only
on the hands of the U.S. government and the U.S. citizens that support
their government's crimes, it is increasingly on those countries who
make it all possible by financing the monster as it eats the world
alive.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: There's only one practical way to try to stop the U.S. war machine... |
13 Mar 2005 09:00:16 PM |
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> Spat the Words
I agree with a lot of your sentiment here but none of this will happen.
All that do business with the monster will be co-opted. OPEC, Japan and
especially China will never do anything to damage their largest
customer. It's in their best interest to feed the monster. China's been
buying dollars to beat the band lately to keep it's value propped up.
They want to keep their products cheap enough and our economy healthy
enough for us to voraciously consume. It's a different world now,
controlled by a common force.
You could also say that we "mentally and morally defectives" have been
co-opted also. Our lives depend on this system. Our children's lives
depend on this system. Try firmly and clearly explaining to a patriotic
American the wrongs, the horrors that have occurred in the name of
freedom and liberty and the American way of life and if you get any
response at all it will more than likely rouse an angry passion that
will startle you. Even in the kindest of old people. At the core of
this passion is self preservation. It's the same core passion that, for
example, inspired Marines to fight thru unimaginable horror at places
like Iwo Jima and Peleliu. It's the same passion that would turn
Teheran into a flat shiny mirror if Iran was found to be behind another
"Pearl Harbor" attack on America sometime in the future. The powers
that be know very well how to kindle and focus this passion.
We're all in the belly of the monster but there is a shattering on the
way.
Oh my. 'Inside The Belly of the Monster' sounds like the title
to a book. These people keep envisioning the future without the
US, but removing the US from the equation would cause economic
tumult throughout most of the world. They don't understand what
they wish for.
"Joe" <jpsmith123@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4532e8.0503131750.5aa32d9c@posting.google.com...
It should be abundantly clear to reasonable people the world over that
the citizens of the U.S. are far too mentally and morally defective to
be expected to do or even try to do anything to rein in the madmen
that rule the U.S.
The best chance to stop the madmen and their war macine is to stop the
U.S. dollar; the one thing that the madmen in Washington have little
control over.
It is very likely within the power of the OPEC countries and China,
Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, acting collectively, to stop this
madness.
In fact, it is a moral duty of any country propping up the dollar in
any sense, to stop doing so, and instead do anything in their power to
destroy the dollar.
It will only be when the U.S. is no longer a "superpower" propping up
the abominable state of Israel, for example, that there is any chance
of peace in the Mid-East, or or in Colombia, for example.
Every drop of blood shed in Iraq because of the brutal occupation, or
in the occupied Palestinian territories, or in Colombia, is not only
on the hands of the U.S. government and the U.S. citizens that support
their government's crimes, it is increasingly on those countries who
make it all possible by financing the monster as it eats the world
alive.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: There's only one practical way to try to stop the U.S. war machine... |
14 Mar 2005 05:38:00 AM |
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" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> Spat the Words
I agree with a lot of your sentiment here but none of this will happen.
All that do business with the monster will be co-opted. OPEC, Japan and
especially China will never do anything to damage their largest
customer. It's in their best interest to feed the monster. China's been
buying dollars to beat the band lately to keep it's value propped up.
They want to keep their products cheap enough and our economy healthy
enough for us to voraciously consume. It's a different world now,
controlled by a common force.
You could also say that we "mentally and morally defectives" have been
co-opted also. Our lives depend on this system. Our children's lives
depend on this system. Try firmly and clearly explaining to a patriotic
American the wrongs, the horrors that have occurred in the name of
freedom and liberty and the American way of life and if you get any
response at all it will more than likely rouse an angry passion that
will startle you. Even in the kindest of old people. At the core of
this passion is self preservation. It's the same core passion that, for
example, inspired Marines to fight thru unimaginable horror at places
like Iwo Jima and Peleliu. It's the same passion that would turn
Teheran into a flat shiny mirror if Iran was found to be behind another
"Pearl Harbor" attack on America sometime in the future. The powers
that be know very well how to kindle and focus this passion.
We're all in the belly of the monster but there is a shattering on the
way.
Oh my. 'Inside The Belly of the Monster' sounds like the title
to a book. These people keep envisioning the future without the
US, but removing the US from the equation would cause economic
tumult throughout most of the world. They don't understand what
they wish for.
They're all blinded by hate.
Tony
"Joe" <jpsmith123@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4532e8.0503131750.5aa32d9c@posting.google.com...
It should be abundantly clear to reasonable people the world over that
the citizens of the U.S. are far too mentally and morally defective to
be expected to do or even try to do anything to rein in the madmen
that rule the U.S.
The best chance to stop the madmen and their war macine is to stop the
U.S. dollar; the one thing that the madmen in Washington have little
control over.
It is very likely within the power of the OPEC countries and China,
Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, acting collectively, to stop this
madness.
In fact, it is a moral duty of any country propping up the dollar in
any sense, to stop doing so, and instead do anything in their power to
destroy the dollar.
It will only be when the U.S. is no longer a "superpower" propping up
the abominable state of Israel, for example, that there is any chance
of peace in the Mid-East, or or in Colombia, for example.
Every drop of blood shed in Iraq because of the brutal occupation, or
in the occupied Palestinian territories, or in Colombia, is not only
on the hands of the U.S. government and the U.S. citizens that support
their government's crimes, it is increasingly on those countries who
make it all possible by financing the monster as it eats the world
alive.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: There's only one practical way to try to stop the U.S. war machine... |
14 Mar 2005 06:10:09 AM |
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<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
news:1110800205.01ce3446a099f7f415bb533d32d3eebb@teranews...
" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> Spat the Words
I agree with a lot of your sentiment here but none of this will happen.
All that do business with the monster will be co-opted. OPEC, Japan
and
especially China will never do anything to damage their largest
customer. It's in their best interest to feed the monster. China's
been
buying dollars to beat the band lately to keep it's value propped up.
They want to keep their products cheap enough and our economy healthy
enough for us to voraciously consume. It's a different world now,
controlled by a common force.
You could also say that we "mentally and morally defectives" have been
co-opted also. Our lives depend on this system. Our children's lives
depend on this system. Try firmly and clearly explaining to a
patriotic
American the wrongs, the horrors that have occurred in the name of
freedom and liberty and the American way of life and if you get any
response at all it will more than likely rouse an angry passion that
will startle you. Even in the kindest of old people. At the core of
this passion is self preservation. It's the same core passion that,
for
example, inspired Marines to fight thru unimaginable horror at places
like Iwo Jima and Peleliu. It's the same passion that would turn
Teheran into a flat shiny mirror if Iran was found to be behind another
"Pearl Harbor" attack on America sometime in the future. The powers
that be know very well how to kindle and focus this passion.
We're all in the belly of the monster but there is a shattering on the
way.
Oh my. 'Inside The Belly of the Monster' sounds like the title
to a book. These people keep envisioning the future without the
US, but removing the US from the equation would cause economic
tumult throughout most of the world. They don't understand what
they wish for.
They're all blinded by hate.
Liek you are over Clinton?`
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<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
I also remember the State department saying that they thought 10
stingers were smuggled into the country across the Mexican
boarder
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THIS WAS about a week before the fatal F800 episode. Possibly
they
were leftovers from Afghanistan/Russia war.
Michael, TWA800 was 14 miles off shore at 13,700 feet. There is NO
WAY a
stinger fired from the shore coudl have got anywhere near it. It
woudl be an
incredible flujke if someone stood in a boat directly underneath
TWA800
could hit it.
According the the FBI the missile range was plausible.
Nope,. or do you have a cite? The FBI TREATED it as a missile attack
from the beginning, and coached the witnesses accordingly.
Of course, what the witnesses described was not any known MANPAD
missile because every witness who mentions a "flare", "streak of
light" etc says they saw it rise, then come down as a fireball. Now,
WE KNOW TWA800 was at 13,700 feet, and in order for what teh witnesses
saw to have been a missile, itwoul have to have been a missile in
boost at 13,700 feet. Only very big missiles are still in boost (i.e.
produceing a "flare" or "streak of light" at that altitude.
Hence, it was not a stinger. Or do you have a rational argument
against that?
Hey Goony, no one said they saw a "flare" or "streak of light" at the
level of the plane, they saw those things down near the surface on
it's way up,
Really? Got a cite?
Micahel posted plenty of site that told what the witnesses saw, I
remember them cleary
LOL! Obviously you remember wrong, seeing as I can produce cites from
witnesses who describe the "flare" as being at the same height as the
aircraft. (hardly surprising as the "flare" was alomst certainly the burning
aircraft)
as reporters questioned people live on the local
news for hours after the event.
Ah, so you don't have a cite, why not simply say so? Wheras I DO have a
cite, three in fact, from witnesses saying it WAS at the level of the plane,
so you lose again! (no wonder you snipped it, you fucking lying coward)
WRONG: http://www.ntsb.gov/events/TWA800/exhibits/Ex_4B.pdf
Witness 243
"the flyingobject was relatively slow in flying up and took about four or
five seconds before hitting.."
Witness 216
"observed a flare going vertically down and a horizontal explosion about 1/2
way down"
Witness 562
First observed the flare "15 degrees above the horizon" at 13,700 feet,
TWA800 appeared to be about 14.6 degrees above the horizon.
Before you said "many witnesses" claimed to see a "projectile". Of
course, no such witness says any such thing (and I leave it up to the reader
to decide if a "projectile" 5 feet long would be visible from 12 miles
away..)
Stop distorting things to fit you story.
I'm not, you are. You have a load of "half remembered" CNN reports to go
on - I, on the other hand, choose to examine the actual witness reports
No one saw a flare up at the planes level.
WRONG: http://www.ntsb.gov/events/TWA800/exhibits/Ex_4B.pdf
Witness 243
"the flyingobject was relatively slow in flying up and took about four or
five seconds before hitting.."
Witness 216
"observed a flare going vertically down and a horizontal explosion about 1/2
way down"
Witness 562
First observed the flare "15 degrees above the horizon" at 13,700 feet,
TWA800 appeared to be about 14.6 degrees above the horizon.
So there's three witnesses how either claim to have seen the "flare" go up
to
the aircraft's altitude or who witnessed the "flare" at the same elveation
above the horizon as the aircraft.
There are no doubt many more, but that's enough to contradict you, so I'll
stop there.
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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17 Mar 2005 07:41:51 PM |
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tw wrote:
<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
Ah, so you don't have a cite,
I will cite your own stupid link and show what an ***** stupid moron
you are:
regard::
""Safety Board staff located seven witnesses (Witnesses 251,
255, 266, 268, 581, 717, and 735) who may have reported observing
something that metthe definition of a streak of light.""
Now the discovery channel documentary ( I think or that other channel
History channel) had witnesses on that said that over 260+ were never
called that saw what appeared to me a missile[s].
For darn sake, they [US gov] never released the entire Kennedy
assassination files, or chinagate - you think they don't want the
public to know the truth?
Well when they have morons like ya battling for free on their side ( I
hope your not paid - it would be a waste of US money) they have all the
brain power in the world to convince the casual reader, eh?
Look, it was a cover up, mutha ' who puts words into peoples mouths
start new threads then claims then as the original, crap artist.
why not simply say so? Wheras I DO have a
cite,
We cite FBI missile ranges ( to air space) with links to the area and
you start new threads claiming you win.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
There are no doubt many more,
That you 'Cannot' conjugate your verb or write a proper sentance?
*****There is no more doubt.******
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
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| User: "tw" |
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18 Mar 2005 03:54:24 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111110111.507421.100560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
Ah, so you don't have a cite,
I will cite your own stupid link and show what an ***** stupid moron
you are:
regard::
""Safety Board staff located seven witnesses (Witnesses 251,
255, 266, 268, 581, 717, and 735) who may have reported observing
something that metthe definition of a streak of light.""
Well, a burnnig 747 can be expected o leave a "streak of light". A shoulder
fired missile at 13,000 feet cannot, however.
Now the discovery channel documentary ( I think or that other channel
History channel) had witnesses on that said that over 260+ were never
called that saw what appeared to me a missile[s].
Ah.. discovery channel... the source of all unbiased knowledge right? (I'm
being ironic, Mikey) Why not stick to the raw data as I did?
For darn sake, they [US gov] never released the entire Kennedy
assassination files, or chinagate - you think they don't want the
public to know the truth?
So your only evidence is that the government has lied before, right? Your
position is:
Governments lie, therefore TWA800 was shot down by a missile.. I don't know
what kind of a missile, and there's no evidence of it being a missile, in
fact there is plenty ruling out a missile, but I still think it was a
missile..
Am I right?
Well when they have morons like ya battling for free on their side
LOL! Ahhh the final cray of the loon "You're a government shill!"..
( I
hope your not paid - it would be a waste of US money) they have all the
brain power in the world to convince the casual reader, eh?
Look, it was a cover up, mutha ' who puts words into peoples mouths
start new threads then claims then as the original, crap artist.
Where's your evidence? Everything you have claimed so far has been debunked
by me, and subsequently snipped by you.
why not simply say so? Wheras I DO have a
cite,
We cite FBI missile ranges ( to air space) with links to the area and
you start new threads claiming you win.
If you read the rebuttal (in the original thread), you'd know why. Once
more:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/th
read/d3aec5b2ebb98076/81204e9b9e0b32cf#81204e9b9e0b32cf
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
The other sign of the loon, inappropriate laughter..
There are no doubt many more,
That you 'Cannot' conjugate your verb or write a proper sentance?
"Sentance"?
*****There is no more doubt.******
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
What the..?
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| User: "tw" |
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18 Mar 2005 03:59:09 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
Ah, so you don't have a cite,
I will cite your own stupid link and show what an ***** stupid moron
you are:
But unfortunately for you, it simply shows up Tony as a liar:
Tony said;
Hey Goony, no one said they saw a "flare" or "streak of light" at the
level of the plane, they saw those things down near the surface on
it's way up,
I said:
Really? Got a cite?
Tony said:
Micahel posted plenty of site that told what the witnesses saw, I
remember them cleary
I said:
LOL! Obviously you remember wrong, seeing as I can produce cites from
witnesses who describe the "flare" as being at the same height as the
aircraft. (hardly surprising as the "flare" was alomst certainly the burning
aircraft)
as reporters questioned people live on the local
news for hours after the event.
Ah, so you don't have a cite, why not simply say so? Wheras I DO have a
cite, three in fact, from witnesses saying it WAS at the level of the plane,
so you lose again! (no wonder you snipped it, you fucking lying coward)
WRONG: http://www.ntsb.gov/events/TWA800/exhibits/Ex_4B.pdf
Witness 243
"the flyingobject was relatively slow in flying up and took about four or
five seconds before hitting.."
Witness 216
"observed a flare going vertically down and a horizontal explosion about 1/2
way down"
Witness 562
First observed the flare "15 degrees above the horizon" at 13,700 feet,
TWA800 appeared to be about 14.6 degrees above the horizon.
Before you said "many witnesses" claimed to see a "projectile". Of
course, no such witness says any such thing (and I leave it up to the reader
to decide if a "projectile" 5 feet long would be visible from 12 miles
away..)
We cite FBI missile ranges ( to air space) with links to the area
Which proved what, exactly?
and you start new threads claiming you win.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
There are no doubt many more,
That you 'Cannot' conjugate your verb or write a proper sentance?
*****There is no more doubt.******
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
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| User: "H Head" |
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14 Mar 2005 03:57:42 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:00:16 -0600, Perseid
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> Spat the Words
[***** removed, er, I mean, SNIP]
We're all in the belly of the monster but there is a shattering on the
way.
Oh my. 'Inside The Belly of the Monster' sounds like the title
to a book. These people keep envisioning the future without the
US, but removing the US from the equation would cause economic
tumult throughout most of the world. They don't understand what
they wish for.
It isn't just economics. The US has tried to play isolationist in the
past, only to have to come out and unfuck the world after the minor
league jackasses ***** it up. Look at history. The world is always
being fucked up by morons. Why shouldn't the US have a go at it?
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| User: "" |
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14 Mar 2005 05:36:13 AM |
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I agree with a lot of your sentiment here but none of this will happen.
All that do business with the monster will be co-opted. OPEC, Japan and
especially China will never do anything to damage their largest customer.
It's in their best interest to feed the monster. China's been buying
dollars to beat the band lately to keep it's value propped up. They want to
keep their products cheap enough and our economy healthy enough for us to
voraciously consume. It's a different world now, controlled by a common
force.
You could also say that we "mentally and morally defectives" have been
co-opted also. Our lives depend on this system. Our children's lives
depend on this system. Try firmly and clearly explaining to a patriotic
American the wrongs, the horrors that have occurred in the name of freedom
and liberty and the American way of life and if you get any response at all
it will more than likely rouse an angry passion that will startle you. Even
in the kindest of old people. At the core of this passion is self
preservation. It's the same core passion that, for example, inspired
Marines to fight thru unimaginable horror at places like Iwo Jima and
Peleliu. It's the same passion that would turn Teheran into a flat shiny
mirror if Iran was found to be behind another "Pearl Harbor" attack on
America sometime in the future. The powers that be know very well how to
kindle and focus this passion.
We're all in the belly of the monster but there is a shattering on the way.
Limpwrist, you exposed yourself here as a self loathing American, you
look down on your own people and country and look forward to our
demise.
You are a real piece of *****.
Tony
"Joe" <jpsmith123@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4532e8.0503131750.5aa32d9c@posting.google.com...
It should be abundantly clear to reasonable people the world over that
the citizens of the U.S. are far too mentally and morally defective to
be expected to do or even try to do anything to rein in the madmen
that rule the U.S.
The best chance to stop the madmen and their war macine is to stop the
U.S. dollar; the one thing that the madmen in Washington have little
control over.
It is very likely within the power of the OPEC countries and China,
Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, acting collectively, to stop this
madness.
In fact, it is a moral duty of any country propping up the dollar in
any sense, to stop doing so, and instead do anything in their power to
destroy the dollar.
It will only be when the U.S. is no longer a "superpower" propping up
the abominable state of Israel, for example, that there is any chance
of peace in the Mid-East, or or in Colombia, for example.
Every drop of blood shed in Iraq because of the brutal occupation, or
in the occupied Palestinian territories, or in Colombia, is not only
on the hands of the U.S. government and the U.S. citizens that support
their government's crimes, it is increasingly on those countries who
make it all possible by financing the monster as it eats the world
alive.
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13 Mar 2005 08:52:06 PM |
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Addendum:
This quote from "demidog" on another message board.
"It amazes me how much more the Europeans, South Americans and the rest of
the world know about our history than we do. I'm getting the feeling this
doesn't end well, or at least not for the Pharisees. Peace"
" John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net> wrote in message
news:1NOdnRvhUvN1ZKnfRVnqg@locallink.net...
I agree with a lot of your sentiment here but none of this will happen.
All that do business with the monster will be co-opted. OPEC, Japan and
especially China will never do anything to damage their largest customer.
It's in their best interest to feed the monster. China's been buying
dollars to beat the band lately to keep it's value propped up. They want
to
keep their products cheap enough and our economy healthy enough for us to
voraciously consume. It's a different world now, controlled by a common
force.
You could also say that we "mentally and morally defectives" have been
co-opted also. Our lives depend on this system. Our children's lives
depend on this system. Try firmly and clearly explaining to a patriotic
American the wrongs, the horrors that have occurred in the name of freedom
and liberty and the American way of life and if you get any response at
all
it will more than likely rouse an angry passion that will startle you.
Even
in the kindest of old people. At the core of this passion is self
preservation. It's the same core passion that, for example, inspired
Marines to fight thru unimaginable horror at places like Iwo Jima and
Peleliu. It's the same passion that would turn Teheran into a flat shiny
mirror if Iran was found to be behind another "Pearl Harbor" attack on
America sometime in the future. The powers that be know very well how to
kindle and focus this passion.
We're all in the belly of the monster but there is a shattering on the
way.
"Joe" <jpsmith123@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4532e8.0503131750.5aa32d9c@posting.google.com...
It should be abundantly clear to reasonable people the world over that
the citizens of the U.S. are far too mentally and morally defective to
be expected to do or even try to do anything to rein in the madmen
that rule the U.S.
The best chance to stop the madmen and their war macine is to stop the
U.S. dollar; the one thing that the madmen in Washington have little
control over.
It is very likely within the power of the OPEC countries and China,
Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, acting collectively, to stop this
madness.
In fact, it is a moral duty of any country propping up the dollar in
any sense, to stop doing so, and instead do anything in their power to
destroy the dollar.
It will only be when the U.S. is no longer a "superpower" propping up
the abominable state of Israel, for example, that there is any chance
of peace in the Mid-East, or or in Colombia, for example.
Every drop of blood shed in Iraq because of the brutal occupation, or
in the occupied Palestinian territories, or in Colombia, is not only
on the hands of the U.S. government and the U.S. citizens that support
their government's crimes, it is increasingly on those countries who
make it all possible by financing the monster as it eats the world
alive.
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| User: "" |
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15 Mar 2005 02:52:07 AM |
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On 13 Mar 2005 17:50:59 -0800, (Joe) wrote:
It should be abundantly clear to reasonable people the world over that
the citizens of the U.S. are far too mentally and morally defective to
be expected to do or even try to do anything to rein in the madmen
that rule the U.S.
The best chance to stop the madmen and their war macine is to stop the
U.S. dollar; the one thing that the madmen in Washington have little
control over.
It is very likely within the power of the OPEC countries and China,
Japan, Taiwan and South Korea, acting collectively, to stop this
madness.
In fact, it is a moral duty of any country propping up the dollar in
any sense, to stop doing so, and instead do anything in their power to
destroy the dollar.
It will only be when the U.S. is no longer a "superpower" propping up
the abominable state of Israel, for example, that there is any chance
of peace in the Mid-East, or or in Colombia, for example.
Every drop of blood shed in Iraq because of the brutal occupation, or
in the occupied Palestinian territories, or in Colombia, is not only
on the hands of the U.S. government and the U.S. citizens that support
their government's crimes, it is increasingly on those countries who
make it all possible by financing the monster as it eats the world
alive.
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
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| User: "Dani" |
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17 Mar 2005 05:06:12 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
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| User: "" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:58:32 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
Proving once again what a clueless Idiot you are.
Tony
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| User: "Dani" |
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19 Mar 2005 10:32:25 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:58:32 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Proving once again what a clueless Idiot you are.
Proving what a simple minded, humorless drone *you* are, rather.
If you can't tell that I was being sarcastic then there's no hope
for you.
Dani
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| User: "" |
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21 Mar 2005 03:08:53 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:32:25 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:58:32 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Proving once again what a clueless Idiot you are.
Proving what a simple minded, humorless drone *you* are, rather.
If you can't tell that I was being sarcastic then there's no hope
for you.
Dani
I didn't write that Dani,Check the header. Good old pantyboy strikes
again, and by the way Canada is getting more anti-american by the
minute. You think maybe Bush has something to do with it?
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
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| User: "Dani" |
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23 Mar 2005 08:02:18 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:08:53 +0000, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:32:25 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:58:32 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Proving once again what a clueless Idiot you are.
Proving what a simple minded, humorless drone *you* are, rather.
If you can't tell that I was being sarcastic then there's no hope
for you.
I didn't write that Dani,Check the header. Good old pantyboy strikes
again,
I know it was Tony - I responded to you, and here, to him.
and by the way Canada is getting more anti-american by the
minute. You think maybe Bush has something to do with it?
Gee, dunno, ya think?
Hey, on a serious note.. speaking of Canada - the other night on the
news I saw them talking about a program to give heroin addicts in the
slumvilles free heroin to try and cut the incidences of HIV,
prostitution, drug-related crime etc.. are you for that, Daaark, as a
Canadian? Just curious.
Dani
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23 Mar 2005 03:59:12 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:02:18 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:08:53 +0000, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:32:25 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:58:32 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Proving once again what a clueless Idiot you are.
Proving what a simple minded, humorless drone *you* are, rather.
If you can't tell that I was being sarcastic then there's no hope
for you.
I didn't write that Dani,Check the header. Good old pantyboy strikes
again,
I know it was Tony - I responded to you, and here, to him.
and by the way Canada is getting more anti-american by the
minute. You think maybe Bush has something to do with it?
Gee, dunno, ya think?
Hey, on a serious note.. speaking of Canada - the other night on the
news I saw them talking about a program to give heroin addicts in the
slumvilles free heroin to try and cut the incidences of HIV,
prostitution, drug-related crime etc.. are you for that, Daaark, as a
Canadian? Just curious.
Dani
No, we have our problems here with our government too.Lots of
corruption and scandel. We are pretty much the same as your country,
both stuck with a government we don't want. I'm sure overall we both
want the same thing, world peace and love of our fellow man...all
fellow men and women. I don't care what a person looks like or what
color his skin is, or his sexual preference, or his religion. I just
want everyone to think for themselves, don't believe everything the
media or government tells you for more times than not it's bull.
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
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| User: "" |
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18 Mar 2005 05:30:45 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:06:12 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
Don't be so sure about that there Dani. We nixed your missle defense
project, so now you are stopping our cattle from going in to your
country. Your government is acting like a child, you won't support our
system, we won't let in your cows. The list of trade squabbles between
the two countries is too numerous to list, anti-americanism is getting
stronger by the day up here. I think we would be better off with a
Russian or Chinnese trade partner than with America who likes to play
silly games and change the rules to suit their greed and hunger for
power.
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
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| User: "Dani" |
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19 Mar 2005 10:50:05 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:30:45 +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:06:12 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
Don't be so sure about that there Dani. We nixed your missle defense
project, so now you are stopping our cattle from going in to your
country. Your government is acting like a child, you won't support our
system, we won't let in your cows. The list of trade squabbles between
the two countries is too numerous to list, anti-americanism is getting
stronger by the day up here. I think we would be better off with a
Russian or Chinnese trade partner than with America who likes to play
silly games and change the rules to suit their greed and hunger for
power.
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it, Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush was reelected. I blame
all of this on him. So, when you constantly talk about how God awful
us Americans are - remember the half of us that are stuck in the
middle of this too.
Dani
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| User: "Su Zanadu" |
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20 Mar 2005 01:08:18 AM |
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Dani wrote:
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm
anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it,
Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush
was reelected.
Remember that website "Were Sorry - We Tried!" :(
The one you could post a pic saying
HOW sorry you were?
Well...I saw it at the bookstore. They printed it into a book! LoL!
You just might see somebody you know in there! ;)
I blame all of this on
him. So, when you constantly talk about
how God awful us Americans are -
remember the half of us that are stuck
in the middle of this too.
Dani
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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20 Mar 2005 06:27:00 AM |
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Su Zanadu wrote:
Dani wrote:
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm
anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it,
Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush
was reelected.
Remember that website "Were Sorry - We Tried!" :(
The one you could post a pic saying
HOW sorry you were?
Well...I saw it at the bookstore. They printed it into a book! LoL!
You just might see somebody you know in there! ;)
What's the title? I can't find it on Amazon under either "We're Sorry"
or "we tried".
Woods
I blame all of this on
him. So, when you constantly talk about
how God awful us Americans are -
remember the half of us that are stuck
in the middle of this too.
Dani
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| User: "Su Zanadu" |
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20 Mar 2005 11:19:01 AM |
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Woods....
I think Chris(?) posted the site in apn.
I don't remember the exact title but I know that BAM has it.
It is pretty well known, if you called your local store they could tell
you.
SuZanne
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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20 Mar 2005 11:43:02 AM |
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Su Zanadu wrote:
Woods....
I think Chris(?) posted the site in apn.
I don't remember the exact title but I know that BAM has it.
It is pretty well known, if you called your local store they could tell
you.
SuZanne
Yes, I've seen the site, but I don't find the book listed at Amazon. I
may look in Barnes and Noble.
Woods
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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20 Mar 2005 04:26:49 PM |
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Dani wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:30:45 +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:06:12 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
Don't be so sure about that there Dani. We nixed your missle defense
project, so now you are stopping our cattle from going in to your
country. Your government is acting like a child, you won't support our
system, we won't let in your cows. The list of trade squabbles between
the two countries is too numerous to list, anti-americanism is getting
stronger by the day up here. I think we would be better off with a
Russian or Chinnese trade partner than with America who likes to play
silly games and change the rules to suit their greed and hunger for
power.
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it, Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush was reelected. I blame
all of this on him. So, when you constantly talk about how God awful
us Americans are - remember the half of us that are stuck in the
middle of this too.
I think *all* American people are caught in the middle, whether they
voted for Bush or not. The source of the problem is not Bush. The US
government - run by corporations - has been carrying out terrorism on
global levels for a good 50 years now. If anything, Bush's reelection is
helping many sleeping Americans to wake up and realize what their
government is doing in their name. Things will get worse before they get
better. All American people will ultimately have to make a choice to
follow their evil government, or join the rest of the peoples of the
world to fight tyranny and terror. It won't be easy...
Stat.
Dani
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22 Mar 2005 05:56:59 AM |
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Dani wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:30:45 +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:06:12 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
Don't be so sure about that there Dani. We nixed your missle defense
project, so now you are stopping our cattle from going in to your
country. Your government is acting like a child, you won't support our
system, we won't let in your cows. The list of trade squabbles between
the two countries is too numerous to list, anti-americanism is getting
stronger by the day up here. I think we would be better off with a
Russian or Chinnese trade partner than with America who likes to play
silly games and change the rules to suit their greed and hunger for
power.
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it, Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush was reelected. I blame
all of this on him. So, when you constantly talk about how God awful
us Americans are - remember the half of us that are stuck in the
middle of this too.
I think *all* American people are caught in the middle, whether they
voted for Bush or not. The source of the problem is not Bush. The US
government - run by corporations - has been carrying out terrorism on
global levels for a good 50 years now. If anything, Bush's reelection is
helping many sleeping Americans to wake up and realize what their
government is doing in their name. Things will get worse before they get
better. All American people will ultimately have to make a choice to
follow their evil government, or join the rest of the peoples of the
world to fight tyranny and terror. It won't be easy...
Stat.
I find it quite funny how you came into this group pretending to be a
moderate voice and how you have qucikly shed that phony image and let
your true American hating self shine through.
Couldn't keep up that moderate act for too long, eh?
Tony
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20 Mar 2005 11:14:32 PM |
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MonsieurStat <monsieurstat@gmail.com> Spat the Words
Dani wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:30:45 +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:06:12 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than
others"
Don't be so sure about that there Dani. We nixed your missle defense
project, so now you are stopping our cattle from going in to your
country. Your government is acting like a child, you won't support our
system, we won't let in your cows. The list of trade squabbles between
the two countries is too numerous to list, anti-americanism is getting
stronger by the day up here. I think we would be better off with a
Russian or Chinnese trade partner than with America who likes to play
silly games and change the rules to suit their greed and hunger for
power.
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it, Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush was reelected. I blame
all of this on him. So, when you constantly talk about how God awful
us Americans are - remember the half of us that are stuck in the
middle of this too.
I think *all* American people are caught in the middle, whether they
voted for Bush or not. The source of the problem is not Bush. The US
government - run by corporations - has been carrying out terrorism on
global levels for a good 50 years now. If anything, Bush's reelection is
helping many sleeping Americans to wake up and realize what their
government is doing in their name. Things will get worse before they get
better. All American people will ultimately have to make a choice to
follow their evil government, or join the rest of the peoples of the
world to fight tyranny and terror. It won't be easy...
It won't be easy. A large percentage of those Americans 'caught
in the middle' work for those large corporations and derive a
higher standard of living than could otherwise be possible for
them. What you're saying won't be an easy sell. In fact it won't
sell at all. You're trying to blame all the world's problems on
the American government and the corporate system in general, and
that just doesn't fly.
Problems in the world stem from a lot of different sources, but
trying to blame motivated, hard working people just doesn't work.
Unless you have a ready alternative to a fair legal system and
equal opportunity for all citizens then I'd say your argument is
a non-starter.
And please be more specific than 'the US has been terrorizing the
world for 50 years now' . Give some specific examples we can talk
about.
Stat.
Dani
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21 Mar 2005 01:48:18 AM |
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Perseid wrote:
MonsieurStat <monsieurstat@gmail.com> Spat the Words
Dani wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:30:45 +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:06:12 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn near
broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their failing
economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to this fact,
won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than
others"
Don't be so sure about that there Dani. We nixed your missle defense
project, so now you are stopping our cattle from going in to your
country. Your government is acting like a child, you won't support our
system, we won't let in your cows. The list of trade squabbles between
the two countries is too numerous to list, anti-americanism is getting
stronger by the day up here. I think we would be better off with a
Russian or Chinnese trade partner than with America who likes to play
silly games and change the rules to suit their greed and hunger for
power.
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it, Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush was reelected. I blame
all of this on him. So, when you constantly talk about how God awful
us Americans are - remember the half of us that are stuck in the
middle of this too.
I think *all* American people are caught in the middle, whether they
voted for Bush or not. The source of the problem is not Bush. The US
government - run by corporations - has been carrying out terrorism on
global levels for a good 50 years now. If anything, Bush's reelection is
helping many sleeping Americans to wake up and realize what their
government is doing in their name. Things will get worse before they get
better. All American people will ultimately have to make a choice to
follow their evil government, or join the rest of the peoples of the
world to fight tyranny and terror. It won't be easy...
It won't be easy. A large percentage of those Americans 'caught
in the middle' work for those large corporations and derive a
higher standard of living than could otherwise be possible for
them. What you're saying won't be an easy sell. In fact it won't
sell at all. You're trying to blame all the world's problems on
the American government and the corporate system in general, and
that just doesn't fly.
Global scale unrest on a planet that's getting smaller by the day,
coupled by huge environmental problems on the way, will make it fly
sooner or later. Corporations cannot be trusted to run the world simply
because their primary goal in life is to make money. And to do this,
they have shown they stop at nothing. We can either try to change their
attitudes, or limit their control over the world. Either way, it will
mean important changes in the life of the average Joe, many not so
pleasant!
Problems in the world stem from a lot of different sources, but
trying to blame motivated, hard working people just doesn't work.
Unless you have a ready alternative to a fair legal system and
equal opportunity for all citizens then I'd say your argument is
a non-starter.
Americans have a huge role to play in the way we run our planet. There
is no doubt, and most Americans would agree with me that they consume
way too much. If everyone on the planet today consumed as much as
Americans, we would need three Earths to support our needs. And the
worst of it is that many Americans honestly believe that their way of
life is a great model to follow by the rest of the world. The huge
amounts of advertising that corporations shoot at you ranging from
billboards on highways to the almost full control of the airwaives has
an important responsibility in all this. But no doubt, with comfort
comes indifference, wishful thinking and fairy tale believing.
And please be more specific than 'the US has been terrorizing the
world for 50 years now' . Give some specific examples we can talk
about.
Well, let's start with this list that includes direct bombardments since
World War II:
China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia
1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73,
Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983,
Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama
1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, Yugoslavia 1999.
Afghanistan 2002, Iraq (2003-?)
Then we can move on to covert, semi covert and other military
operations. Here are some better known examples in the past 50 years:
Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the ilipino
Huk revolt.
Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in
Ponce.
Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically
elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.
Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz
and placed Colonel Armas in power.
Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations
threatened the Canal Zone.
Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.
Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow
the Castro government.
Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.
Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.
Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende
who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military
regime under General Pinochet.
Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against
Marxist Angola.
El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El
Salvador's war against the FMLN.
Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against
the Sandinistas.
Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war;
241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the
troops to the Mediterranean.
Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.
Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital
city of Tripoli.
Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.
Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island
peoples.
Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during
coup.
Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President
Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.
Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.
Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex
where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.
And not to forget assassinations, following is some examples of
assassination or failed attempts:
*1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950's - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in West Germany
*1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1955 - Jose' Antonio Remon, President of Panama
1950's Chou Enlai, Prime Minister of China, several attempts on his life
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premiere of North Korea
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawhar Lal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959 and 1963 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1950s-70s - Jose Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1960 Brigadier General, Abdul Karim Kassem, Leader of Iraq
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba , Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, more than 15 attempts on his life
1960s - Raul Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamanao, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965 - Pierre Ngendandumwe, Prime Minister of Burundi
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvadore Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s and 1981 - Gen. Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine commandantes of the Sandanista National Directorate
1980's - Dr. Gerald Bull, Canadian Ballistics Scientist assassinated by
Mossad in Belgium.
And it goes on and on... But perhaps the worst terror of all is the
constant and imminent threat of a nuclear catastrophe. A computer
issuing a false alarm leading to a nuclear war. Or a mad man provoking
the Armageddon. You think people are crazy to be scared of Americans?
Stat.
Stat.
Dani
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MonsieurStat <monsieurstat@gmail.com> Spat the Words
Perseid wrote:
MonsieurStat <monsieurstat@gmail.com> Spat the Words
Dani wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:30:45 +0000, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:06:12 -0500, Dani <dani7200@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:52:07 +0000, wrote:
Excellent post, the process is in motion. The Americans are damn
near broke, they have to pillage other countries to keep their
failing economy going. The rest of the world is slowly waking up to
this fact, won't be long before the Americans stand alone.
Alone? Nahhh.. we'll always have Canada :) Thanks Daaark!
Dani
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than
others"
Don't be so sure about that there Dani. We nixed your missle defense
project, so now you are stopping our cattle from going in to your
country. Your government is acting like a child, you won't support
our system, we won't let in your cows. The list of trade squabbles
between the two countries is too numerous to list, anti-americanism
is getting stronger by the day up here. I think we would be better
off with a Russian or Chinnese trade partner than with America who
likes to play silly games and change the rules to suit their greed
and hunger for power.
Why can't anyone spot sarcasm anymore? <sigh>
Anyway - I'm not losing sleep over it, Daaark.
I literally cried (actual tears) when Bush was reelected. I blame
all of this on him. So, when you constantly talk about how God awful
us Americans are - remember the half of us that are stuck in the
middle of this too.
I think *all* American people are caught in the middle, whether they
voted for Bush or not. The source of the problem is not Bush. The US
government - run by corporations - has been carrying out terrorism on
global levels for a good 50 years now. If anything, Bush's reelection
is helping many sleeping Americans to wake up and realize what their
government is doing in their name. Things will get worse before they
get better. All American people will ultimately have to make a choice
to follow their evil government, or join the rest of the peoples of the
world to fight tyranny and terror. It won't be easy...
It won't be easy. A large percentage of those Americans 'caught
in the middle' work for those large corporations and derive a
higher standard of living than could otherwise be possible for
them. What you're saying won't be an easy sell. In fact it won't
sell at all. You're trying to blame all the world's problems on
the American government and the corporate system in general, and
that just doesn't fly.
Global scale unrest on a planet that's getting smaller by the day,
coupled by huge environmental problems on the way, will make it fly
sooner or later. Corporations cannot be trusted to run the world simply
Corporations don't run the world... they run their own business and
control their own little set of assets. They follow their distinctive
business model, and a few top managers make the policy.
because their primary goal in life is to make money. And to do this,
they have shown they stop at nothing. We can either try to change their
attitudes, or limit their control over the world. Either way, it will
mean important changes in the life of the average Joe, many not so
pleasant!
Change the attitudes of the corporations ? You must mean changing
attitudes of those who run the corporations... what, so they'll
stop wanting money ? So you're a communist. You think everyone
is identical and we work for sheer joy of working ? The Russians
tried it (it failed). The Chinese tried it (now they're learning
peoples' true motivations lie in achieving a better lifestyle).
I really have to wonder about the root cause of your sentiments.
Are you envious that western culture has achieved such global
dominance - technologically, economically, politically ?
Problems in the world stem from a lot of different sources, but
trying to blame motivated, hard working people just doesn't work.
Unless you have a ready alternative to a fair legal system and
equal opportunity for all citizens then I'd say your argument is
a non-starter.
Americans have a huge role to play in the way we run our planet. There
is no doubt, and most Americans would agree with me that they consume
way too much. If everyone on the planet today consumed as much as
Americans, we would need three Earths to support our needs. And the
worst of it is that many Americans honestly believe that their way of
life is a great model to follow by the rest of the world. The huge
amounts of advertising that corporations shoot at you ranging from
billboards on highways to the almost full control of the airwaives has
an important responsibility in all this. But no doubt, with comfort
comes indifference, wishful thinking and fairy tale believing.
Good thing Americans aren't overly comfortable. If anything we're
hyper-tense, over-achievers, highly competitive. It's the more stable
among us that are actually 'comfortable' .
And please be more specific than 'the US has been terrorizing the
world for 50 years now' . Give some specific examples we can talk
about.
Well, let's start with this list that includes direct bombardments since
World War II:
China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia
1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73,
Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983,
Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama
1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, Yugoslavia 1999.
Afghanistan 2002, Iraq (2003-?)
Then we can move on to covert, semi covert and other military
operations. Here are some better known examples in the past 50 years:
Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the ilipino
Huk revolt.
Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in
Ponce.
Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically
elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.
Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz
and placed Colonel Armas in power.
Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations
threatened the Canal Zone.
Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.
Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow
the Castro government.
Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.
Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.
Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende
who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military
regime under General Pinochet.
Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against
Marxist Angola.
El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El
Salvador's war against the FMLN.
Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against
the Sandinistas.
Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war;
241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the
troops to the Mediterranean.
Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran
border. Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the
capital city of Tripoli.
Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.
Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island
peoples.
Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during
coup.
Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President
Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.
Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.
Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex
where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.
You seem to know more about this than historians do.
And not to forget assassinations, following is some examples of
assassination or failed attempts:
*1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950's - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in West
Germany *1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1955 - Jose' Antonio Remon, President of Panama
1950's Chou Enlai, Prime Minister of China, several attempts on his life
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premiere of North Korea
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawhar Lal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959 and 1963 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1950s-70s - Jose Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his
life 1960 Brigadier General, Abdul Karim Kassem, Leader of Iraq
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba , Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, more than 15 attempts on his
life 1960s - Raul Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamanao, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965 - Pierre Ngendandumwe, Prime Minister of Burundi
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvadore Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s and 1981 - Gen. Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine commandantes of the Sandanista National Directorate
1980's - Dr. Gerald Bull, Canadian Ballistics Scientist assassinated by
Mossad in Belgium.
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