Or it's a midsummer night's dream.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770
A crowd of 100 stunned stargazers brought a town centre to a
standstill when five mysterious UFOs were spotted hovering in the sky.
Drinkers spilled out of pubs, motorists stopped to gawp and camera
phones were aimed upwards as the five orbs, in a seeming formation,
hovered above Stratford-Upon-Avon for half an hour.
The unidentified flying objects lit up the otherwise clear night sky
above Shakespeare's birthplace in Warwickshire on Saturday.
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26 Jul 2007 03:07:49 AM |
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"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in message
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Or it's a midsummer night's dream.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770
A crowd of 100 stunned stargazers brought a town centre to a
standstill when five mysterious UFOs were spotted hovering in the sky.
Drinkers spilled out of pubs, motorists stopped to gawp and camera
phones were aimed upwards as the five orbs, in a seeming formation,
hovered above Stratford-Upon-Avon for half an hour.
The unidentified flying objects lit up the otherwise clear night sky
above Shakespeare's birthplace in Warwickshire on Saturday.
Well, it's apparent that none of you read the sighting details or
carefully looked at the video of the objects' movements and
characteristics -- these were NOT stars in a group. Look at the video and
compare the formation at 14 seconds to the later one at 2min. 14sec. --
the object at the 'bottom' has dropped considerably farther down.
And considering what the witnesses said, these UFOs couldn't be stars.
However, they might be fire, or lantern, balloons at fairly high altitude.
That would explain the movements and apparently some 'flickering' quality
of the lights and the color.
Earlier this year, formations of objects very similar to these showed up
over the UK and it was theorized they could've been lantern balloons --
sometimes used for parties and celebrations of holidays.
What made me laugh was the video footage that showed two good-lookin'
birds yappin' and looking at each other and the cameraman most of the
time. They had no real interest in the UFOs, nor did some other bystanders
or pub patrons. I give the reporter, though, high marks for making this
much more 'dramatic' than it seemingly was. LOL! It's the middle of the
summer 'silly season' and typically the warm clear weather brings people
out more and they begin to report all kinds of 'unusual' aerial things
that, in most cases, turn out to be natural or conventional phenomena --
or simply some hoaxes by drunken idiots. heehehee...when the aliens
finally land, they'll turn out to be cannibals and start eating us, like
meat-eaters in humanity eat animals. Yes, they'll slaugher us in large
numbers, and package us in cellophane wrappers to take back to their
planets. We'll command a high price on their food marketplaces -- a rare
delicacy!
Doc ;))~
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25 Jul 2007 07:48:46 PM |
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On Jul 25, 9:40?pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"A crowd of 100 stunned stargazers brought a town centre to a
standstill when five mysterious UFOs were spotted hovering in the
sky."
(a) That's not a 'Town Centre'. That is a suburb housing estate.
(b) There does not appear to be a hundred people there.
(c) Those that are there, do not look, 'stunned'.
(d) There doesn't appear to be anything on a quiet housing estate to
'bring to a standstill'. The 'watchers are not 'standing still, in
fact, they don't appear very interested at all. Most of them are not
'watching'
(e) Looks like the planet Venus and a configuration of stars to me.
(f) Stratford people are known as being a little simple.
(g) Readers of the 'Daily Mail' are even more simple than Stratford
residents!
Werewolfy
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25 Jul 2007 08:10:44 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Jul 25, 9:40?pm, John Lemke <jfle...@locallink.net> wrote:
"A crowd of 100 stunned stargazers brought a town centre to a
standstill when five mysterious UFOs were spotted hovering in the
sky."
(a) That's not a 'Town Centre'. That is a suburb housing estate.
(b) There does not appear to be a hundred people there.
(c) Those that are there, do not look, 'stunned'.
(d) There doesn't appear to be anything on a quiet housing estate to
'bring to a standstill'. The 'watchers are not 'standing still, in
fact, they don't appear very interested at all. Most of them are not
'watching'
(e) Looks like the planet Venus and a configuration of stars to me.
(f) Stratford people are known as being a little simple.
(g) Readers of the 'Daily Mail' are even more simple than Stratford
residents!
Not to mention the fake UFO pictue with the caption "Were flying saucers
like this one hovering over Stratford under the cover of darkness?" I wonder
where that picture came from...
Werewolfy
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25 Jul 2007 08:33:00 PM |
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On Jul 25, 9:10 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fake UFO pictue with the caption "Were flying saucers
like this one hovering over Stratford under the cover of darkness?" I wonder
where that picture came from...
Can't be a sleazy fake, Mondo. It's in an English "paper".
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25 Jul 2007 07:57:28 PM |
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On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in the
late evening.
Werewolfy
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25 Jul 2007 08:27:31 PM |
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On Jul 25, 8:57 pm, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in the
late evening.
Werewolfy
Damn, and I was looking forward to a long road trip.
Things must have really changed in Stratford since The Bard's time,
Wolfy. Maybe something in the water's gone missing to make the people
dumber.
Thanks for the detailed commentary up above. I love knowledgeable
local color about far away places. Grins galore.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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26 Jul 2007 05:53:55 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:57:28 -0700, Werewolfy wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in the
late evening.
Werewolfy
That makes sense. I took at look at the video and they were blinking
colors the way brighter stars do.
Woods
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27 Jul 2007 09:10:45 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a92603$0$29709$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:57:28 -0700, Werewolfy wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in the
late evening.
Werewolfy
That makes sense. I took at look at the video and they were blinking
colors the way brighter stars do.
Woods
Noooo...one of those 'stars' moved out of the configuration later in the
video...look carefully, Woods, at the frames at about 14 seconds into the
vid, and then compare it to the frames at about 2 min., 14 sec. (later).
Flip back and forth between the segments. One of the 'stars' has changed
its position. As I said, these things are more likely lantern balloons,
tied together, at fairly high altitude and moving with the upper wind
currents. In Mexico, such high altitude objects have been seen in daytime,
in similar (and often larger formations). I think we have hoaxters
involved in both cases.
I used to investigate, interview witnesses, gather evidence as young as 14
when I headed UAPRO...I learned early about the psychology of humans
seeing something they can't identify. Those witnesses in this case weren't
seeing ordinary celestial phenomena. Anyone can apply astronomical or
meteorological (etc.) 'overlays' to help explain a sighting...but it
really takes paying attention to the witnesses and the sighting details
(in this case, the objects' movements). I fully understand the convenience
easy explanations afford skeptics, but one must carefully look at these
cases with an open mind. An open, unbiased mind is essential in analyzing
UFO reports, or else you get silly 'swamp gas' explanations. The 1966
Michigan sightings didn't have the characteristics of swamp gas, but the
USAF hired astrophysicist J. Allen Hynek to explain them away. He later
explained how the AF did this, and why they did it --- to hide the fact
that the world's largest air force, and most technologically advanced, was
unable to protect citizens or even identify unusual aerial phenomena.
During the Cold War, especially, this was something the US goverment
didn't like to happen. So, they lied and obfuscated.
Doc
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27 Jul 2007 09:09:08 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:10:45 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a92603$0$29709$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:57:28 -0700, Werewolfy wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in the
late evening.
Werewolfy
That makes sense. I took at look at the video and they were blinking
colors the way brighter stars do.
Woods
Noooo...one of those 'stars' moved out of the configuration later in the
video...look carefully, Woods, at the frames at about 14 seconds into the
vid, and then compare it to the frames at about 2 min., 14 sec. (later).
Flip back and forth between the segments. One of the 'stars' has changed
its position. As I said, these things are more likely lantern balloons,
tied together, at fairly high altitude and moving with the upper wind
currents. In Mexico, such high altitude objects have been seen in daytime,
in similar (and often larger formations). I think we have hoaxters
involved in both cases.
I used to investigate, interview witnesses, gather evidence as young as 14
when I headed UAPRO...I learned early about the psychology of humans
seeing something they can't identify. Those witnesses in this case weren't
seeing ordinary celestial phenomena. Anyone can apply astronomical or
meteorological (etc.) 'overlays' to help explain a sighting...but it
really takes paying attention to the witnesses and the sighting details
(in this case, the objects' movements). I fully understand the convenience
easy explanations afford skeptics, but one must carefully look at these
cases with an open mind. An open, unbiased mind is essential in analyzing
UFO reports, or else you get silly 'swamp gas' explanations. The 1966
Michigan sightings didn't have the characteristics of swamp gas, but the
USAF hired astrophysicist J. Allen Hynek to explain them away. He later
explained how the AF did this, and why they did it --- to hide the fact
that the world's largest air force, and most technologically advanced, was
unable to protect citizens or even identify unusual aerial phenomena.
During the Cold War, especially, this was something the US goverment
didn't like to happen. So, they lied and obfuscated.
Doc
Don't get me wrong - I've got no problem with the idea of aliens visiting
from another planet. I just didn't think that looked like much of
anything from the video.
I'll take another look, but I'm afraid you'll have to repost the link. (I
deleted the original, I'm afraid).
Woods
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27 Jul 2007 09:36:30 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46aaa544$0$32596$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:10:45 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a92603$0$29709$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:57:28 -0700, Werewolfy wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in the
late evening.
Werewolfy
That makes sense. I took at look at the video and they were blinking
colors the way brighter stars do.
Woods
Noooo...one of those 'stars' moved out of the configuration later in
the
video...look carefully, Woods, at the frames at about 14 seconds into
the
vid, and then compare it to the frames at about 2 min., 14 sec.
(later).
Flip back and forth between the segments. One of the 'stars' has
changed
its position. As I said, these things are more likely lantern balloons,
tied together, at fairly high altitude and moving with the upper wind
currents. In Mexico, such high altitude objects have been seen in
daytime,
in similar (and often larger formations). I think we have hoaxters
involved in both cases.
I used to investigate, interview witnesses, gather evidence as young as
14
when I headed UAPRO...I learned early about the psychology of humans
seeing something they can't identify. Those witnesses in this case
weren't
seeing ordinary celestial phenomena. Anyone can apply astronomical or
meteorological (etc.) 'overlays' to help explain a sighting...but it
really takes paying attention to the witnesses and the sighting details
(in this case, the objects' movements). I fully understand the
convenience
easy explanations afford skeptics, but one must carefully look at these
cases with an open mind. An open, unbiased mind is essential in
analyzing
UFO reports, or else you get silly 'swamp gas' explanations. The 1966
Michigan sightings didn't have the characteristics of swamp gas, but
the
USAF hired astrophysicist J. Allen Hynek to explain them away. He later
explained how the AF did this, and why they did it --- to hide the fact
that the world's largest air force, and most technologically advanced,
was
unable to protect citizens or even identify unusual aerial phenomena.
During the Cold War, especially, this was something the US goverment
didn't like to happen. So, they lied and obfuscated.
Doc
Don't get me wrong - I've got no problem with the idea of aliens
visiting
from another planet. I just didn't think that looked like much of
anything from the video.
I'll take another look, but I'm afraid you'll have to repost the link.
(I
deleted the original, I'm afraid).
Woods
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770
Well, don't get me wrong. I don't think one explanation can easily explain
away UFO sightings -- it's more a multi-faceted phenomenon that begs
various explanations. The ET theory is just one of a number.
The mass media spent has spent six decades after 1947 ridiculing witnesses
of UFOs - and the phenomenon itself was pooh-poohed.
The media has done more lasting damage to this truly unusual phenomena
than any single source. It's smirking, snide attitude toward it has
relegated a mystery deserving of scientific study, into wide-eyed campfire
entertainment, like ghost stories. Something to snicker about, and play
with, but not important enough to study seriously.
It's more important to have the media drone on about Paris Hilton or the
bad weather, or the stocks rising and falling, than it is to handle a
genuinely inexplicable aerial phenomenon responsibly.
Always the reference is to space aliens, when it is altogether possible
that aliens are not involved. Something unusual is happening in our skies
(and on the ground, too) and scientists really should be analyzing these
reports, and setting up regular observational stations, and so forth.
In Hessdalen, Norway, a small team of scientists has been studying a
valley where strange lights have been seen for many years, and have drawn
some solid prelimary conclusions -- none of which includes alien space
vehicles! Check out the Hessdalen lights story on a Google search -- and
wonder why the scientific community hasn't been applying such disciplined
study to the overall UFO phenomenon globally.
We're a curious species that often wants to know more about the mysteries
of our physical world.Yet, when UFOs are mentioned, the phenomena is
usually met with fanatics proclaiming superior aliens intent on rescuing
from ourselves, or picking us apart as medical specimens, or skeptics
dismissing the entire phenomenon as natural or conventional phenomena.
Unbiased, serious scientists need to get involved and money and time need
to be spent trying to satisfy our curiosity by finding some real answers.
Doc
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29 Jul 2007 06:54:43 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:36:30 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46aaa544$0$32596$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:10:45 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a92603$0$29709$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:57:28 -0700, Werewolfy wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in the
late evening.
Werewolfy
That makes sense. I took at look at the video and they were blinking
colors the way brighter stars do.
Woods
Noooo...one of those 'stars' moved out of the configuration later in
the
video...look carefully, Woods, at the frames at about 14 seconds into
the
vid, and then compare it to the frames at about 2 min., 14 sec.
(later).
Flip back and forth between the segments. One of the 'stars' has
changed
its position. As I said, these things are more likely lantern balloons,
tied together, at fairly high altitude and moving with the upper wind
currents. In Mexico, such high altitude objects have been seen in
daytime,
in similar (and often larger formations). I think we have hoaxters
involved in both cases.
I used to investigate, interview witnesses, gather evidence as young as
14
when I headed UAPRO...I learned early about the psychology of humans
seeing something they can't identify. Those witnesses in this case
weren't
seeing ordinary celestial phenomena. Anyone can apply astronomical or
meteorological (etc.) 'overlays' to help explain a sighting...but it
really takes paying attention to the witnesses and the sighting details
(in this case, the objects' movements). I fully understand the
convenience
easy explanations afford skeptics, but one must carefully look at these
cases with an open mind. An open, unbiased mind is essential in
analyzing
UFO reports, or else you get silly 'swamp gas' explanations. The 1966
Michigan sightings didn't have the characteristics of swamp gas, but
the
USAF hired astrophysicist J. Allen Hynek to explain them away. He later
explained how the AF did this, and why they did it --- to hide the fact
that the world's largest air force, and most technologically advanced,
was
unable to protect citizens or even identify unusual aerial phenomena.
During the Cold War, especially, this was something the US goverment
didn't like to happen. So, they lied and obfuscated.
Doc
Don't get me wrong - I've got no problem with the idea of aliens
visiting
from another planet. I just didn't think that looked like much of
anything from the video.
I'll take another look, but I'm afraid you'll have to repost the link.
(I
deleted the original, I'm afraid).
Woods
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770
Thanks. I've taken another look. Only 2 appear to have moved at all, and
one of those appears to have moved while the camera was pointed
elsewhere. It's possible that it could have moved, or it could be that
it's cloudy and one star was obscured while another one was exposed,
giving the appearance that one has "moved" while off-camera.
One is definitely moving. This one is much brighter than the others -
looks like a plane moving at a diagonal.
This isn't the greatest quality video, so what it looks like on the video
doesn't mean that it's displaying things as well as they could. For
instance, getting the light bouncing back into the camera off that wall
would seriously affect the brightness of the lights in the sky. They
could actually have appeared much brighter (and therefore larger to
eyewitnesses) than they looked on the video.
(>
Well, don't get me wrong. I don't think one explanation can easily
explain away UFO sightings -- it's more a multi-faceted phenomenon that
begs various explanations. The ET theory is just one of a number. The
mass media spent has spent six decades after 1947 ridiculing witnesses
of UFOs - and the phenomenon itself was pooh-poohed. The media has done
more lasting damage to this truly unusual phenomena than any single
source. It's smirking, snide attitude toward it has relegated a mystery
deserving of scientific study, into wide-eyed campfire entertainment,
like ghost stories. Something to snicker about, and play with, but not
important enough to study seriously.
George Carlin has a book out called "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork
Chops", and one of the entries has to do somewhat with that. He compares
and contrasts how the media treats people who've claimed to see UFOs
versus religious people. I'd never given it a thought before, but he puts
it quite well. I need to find the book (misplaced somewhere around here ...)
It's more important to have the
media drone on about Paris Hilton or the bad weather, or the stocks
rising and falling, than it is to handle a genuinely inexplicable aerial
phenomenon responsibly. Always the reference is to space aliens, when it
is altogether possible that aliens are not involved. Something unusual
is happening in our skies (and on the ground, too) and scientists really
should be analyzing these reports, and setting up regular observational
stations, and so forth. In Hessdalen, Norway, a small team of scientists
has been studying a valley where strange lights have been seen for many
years, and have drawn some solid prelimary conclusions -- none of which
includes alien space vehicles! Check out the Hessdalen lights story on a
Google search -- and wonder why the scientific community hasn't been
applying such disciplined study to the overall UFO phenomenon globally.
We're a curious species that often wants to know more about the
mysteries of our physical world.Yet, when UFOs are mentioned, the
phenomena is usually met with fanatics proclaiming superior aliens
intent on rescuing from ourselves, or picking us apart as medical
specimens, or skeptics dismissing the entire phenomenon as natural or
conventional phenomena. Unbiased, serious scientists need to get
involved and money and time need to be spent trying to satisfy our
curiosity by finding some real answers. Doc
Very true. Apparently, they used to dismiss ball lightning as nonsense,
but now it's accepted. I've seen that twice. Creepy and intriguing at
the same time. :-)
Woods
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29 Jul 2007 09:34:54 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46ac8003$0$30612$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:36:30 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46aaa544$0$32596$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:10:45 -0700, Docrodile wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a92603$0$29709$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:57:28 -0700, Werewolfy wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:48?am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just checked 'Starry Night' software.
The configuration and timing show this was the planet Mars and the
Pleides (seven sisters) group of stars. Only four of these seven
are
of significant magnitude, hence the apparant presence of four
'lights'.
I expect they 'vanished' when the clouds arrived..as they did in
the
late evening.
Werewolfy
That makes sense. I took at look at the video and they were
blinking
colors the way brighter stars do.
Woods
Noooo...one of those 'stars' moved out of the configuration later in
the
video...look carefully, Woods, at the frames at about 14 seconds into
the
vid, and then compare it to the frames at about 2 min., 14 sec.
(later).
Flip back and forth between the segments. One of the 'stars' has
changed
its position. As I said, these things are more likely lantern
balloons,
tied together, at fairly high altitude and moving with the upper wind
currents. In Mexico, such high altitude objects have been seen in
daytime,
in similar (and often larger formations). I think we have hoaxters
involved in both cases.
I used to investigate, interview witnesses, gather evidence as young
as
14
when I headed UAPRO...I learned early about the psychology of humans
seeing something they can't identify. Those witnesses in this case
weren't
seeing ordinary celestial phenomena. Anyone can apply astronomical or
meteorological (etc.) 'overlays' to help explain a sighting...but it
really takes paying attention to the witnesses and the sighting
details
(in this case, the objects' movements). I fully understand the
convenience
easy explanations afford skeptics, but one must carefully look at
these
cases with an open mind. An open, unbiased mind is essential in
analyzing
UFO reports, or else you get silly 'swamp gas' explanations. The 1966
Michigan sightings didn't have the characteristics of swamp gas, but
the
USAF hired astrophysicist J. Allen Hynek to explain them away. He
later
explained how the AF did this, and why they did it --- to hide the
fact
that the world's largest air force, and most technologically
advanced,
was
unable to protect citizens or even identify unusual aerial phenomena.
During the Cold War, especially, this was something the US goverment
didn't like to happen. So, they lied and obfuscated.
Doc
Don't get me wrong - I've got no problem with the idea of aliens
visiting
from another planet. I just didn't think that looked like much of
anything from the video.
I'll take another look, but I'm afraid you'll have to repost the link.
(I
deleted the original, I'm afraid).
Woods
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770
Thanks. I've taken another look. Only 2 appear to have moved at all,
and
one of those appears to have moved while the camera was pointed
elsewhere. It's possible that it could have moved, or it could be that
it's cloudy and one star was obscured while another one was exposed,
giving the appearance that one has "moved" while off-camera.
One is definitely moving. This one is much brighter than the others -
looks like a plane moving at a diagonal.
This isn't the greatest quality video, so what it looks like on the
video
doesn't mean that it's displaying things as well as they could. For
instance, getting the light bouncing back into the camera off that wall
would seriously affect the brightness of the lights in the sky. They
could actually have appeared much brighter (and therefore larger to
eyewitnesses) than they looked on the video.
Considering the small degrees of separation of the lights from each other,
it'd have to be a rather small wisp of a cloud that could obscure one but
not affect the larger group. I don't think that was the case, and that
these are lantern balloons tied together, wafting in variable winds aloft.
In any case, daylight sightings of solid objects are so much more easily
analyzed and provide more evidential substance for investigators than
night lights. This sighting is only significant because of the location
over a city and numerous witnesses -- not because of the quality of the
phenomenon itself. If the report rose and fell on the objects themselves,
without the many witnesses and busy location, it'd be a very pedestrian
sighting.
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Well, don't get me wrong. I don't think one explanation can easily
explain away UFO sightings -- it's more a multi-faceted phenomenon that
begs various explanations. The ET theory is just one of a number. The
mass media spent has spent six decades after 1947 ridiculing witnesses
of UFOs - and the phenomenon itself was pooh-poohed. The media has
done
more lasting damage to this truly unusual phenomena than any single
source. It's smirking, snide attitude toward it has relegated a mystery
deserving of scientific study, into wide-eyed campfire entertainment,
like ghost stories. Something to snicker about, and play with, but not
important enough to study seriously.
George Carlin has a book out called "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork
Chops", and one of the entries has to do somewhat with that. He
compares
and contrasts how the media treats people who've claimed to see UFOs
versus religious people. I'd never given it a thought before, but he
puts
it quite well. I need to find the book (misplaced somewhere around here
...)
George Carlin is one of the finest, sharpest minds in comedy despite his
advanced age. I remember when he first started off and he cut new ground
for stand-up comedy. Carlin's perceptive sarcastic views on American
culture, and generally human nature, have become a bar-standard for other
comedians. And his comedic acting ability in movies and TV was pretty well
developed, although not expanded upon by studio heads or directors as it
could've been.
It's more important to have the
media drone on about Paris Hilton or the bad weather, or the stocks
rising and falling, than it is to handle a genuinely inexplicable
aerial
phenomenon responsibly. Always the reference is to space aliens, when
it
is altogether possible that aliens are not involved. Something unusual
is happening in our skies (and on the ground, too) and scientists
really
should be analyzing these reports, and setting up regular observational
stations, and so forth. In Hessdalen, Norway, a small team of
scientists
has been studying a valley where strange lights have been seen for many
years, and have drawn some solid prelimary conclusions -- none of which
includes alien space vehicles! Check out the Hessdalen lights story on
a
Google search -- and wonder why the scientific community hasn't been
applying such disciplined study to the overall UFO phenomenon globally.
We're a curious species that often wants to know more about the
mysteries of our physical world.Yet, when UFOs are mentioned, the
phenomena is usually met with fanatics proclaiming superior aliens
intent on rescuing from ourselves, or picking us apart as medical
specimens, or skeptics dismissing the entire phenomenon as natural or
conventional phenomena. Unbiased, serious scientists need to get
involved and money and time need to be spent trying to satisfy our
curiosity by finding some real answers. Doc
Very true. Apparently, they used to dismiss ball lightning as nonsense,
but now it's accepted. I've seen that twice. Creepy and intriguing at
the same time. :-)
Woods
There are so many mysteries begging for some serious scientific effort --
such as ghost/poltergeist experiences and sasquatch sightings. I've been
fortunate to experience a fairly wide variety of paranormal phenomena but
am always cautious about drawing on popularized explanations or concepts
for answers. What looks like space aliens in a sci-fi drenched culture
could turn out to be something quite different and unexpected.
Doc
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