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User: "jack nicholson"
Date: 27 Feb 2004 02:56:48 AM
Object: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE...................
A PORTENT FOR WAR:
"MABUS SOON DIES....WHEN THE COMET WILL PASS."
Nostradamus (Century 2 Quatrain 62)
hI PEOPLES ;-)
Just a thought ;-)
and the 27 years of war could have something to do with the Iranian
revolution, which is vehemently anti-westerm ?!?
February 1979 -- February 2006 (when all out war breaks out in the ME)
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User: "Ray Michael OKeeffe"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 28 Feb 2004 10:38:48 PM
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A PORTENT FOR WAR:
"MABUS SOON DIES....WHEN THE COMET WILL PASS."
Nostradamus (Century 2 Quatrain 62)


hI PEOPLES ;-)

Just a thought ;-)

and the 27 years of war could have something to do with the Iranian
revolution, which is vehemently anti-westerm ?!?

February 1979 -- February 2006 (when all out war breaks out in the ME)

=====================================================================

Just a thought Jack...
Daniel Chapter 9 verse "27"
This is the peace treaty of the final 7 years. 9 also means finality... 27
is 3 x 9, and also 2+7=9.
so perhaps the 27 years of war (not that I know anything about Nostie) might
be a numerical clue to this same event.
(there are those who say that this 70th week of Daniels prophecies was
fulfilled by Jesus making a convenant, but it clearly states that it is the
final anti christ and not the christ. Perhaps such confusion is the reason
why so many will follow the anti christ.
Many say that the 70th week (as they are divided into 7+62+1 = 70) is the
final week of the end of the age (as do I).
Note this 70th week is actually 7 years and split into two equal parts of 42
months. If you calculate backwards from the Mayan date of 22nd December
2012, I write like 22/12/2012 in Australian date format, you get the
11/7/2009 and the 28/1/2006. And these align up with the the exact scripture
by chapter and verse 22:12, 11:7 and 28 (no chapter 28 so, 2+8=10 see full
chapter 10)
see www.id-chip.4t.com/mayan.htm
Destiny to calculate beyond coincidence
www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm
--
Peace and Love
Jesus is Lord
The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
www.id-chip.4t.com
God foreknew I would do these things from curiosity to know more.
www.id-chip.4t.com/personalsummary.htm
Ray Michael O'Keeffe
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User: "cesar"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 12:03:47 AM
"Ray Michael OKeeffe" <raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Daniel Chapter 9 verse "27"

This is the peace treaty of the final 7 years. 9 also means finality... 27
is 3 x 9, and also 2+7=9.

so perhaps the 27 years of war (not that I know anything about Nostie)

might

be a numerical clue to this same event.

(there are those who say that this 70th week of Daniels prophecies was
fulfilled by Jesus making a convenant, but it clearly states that it is

the

final anti christ and not the christ. Perhaps such confusion is the reason
why so many will follow the anti christ.
Many say that the 70th week (as they are divided into 7+62+1 = 70) is the
final week of the end of the age (as do I).

Note this 70th week is actually 7 years and split into two equal parts of

42

months. If you calculate backwards from the Mayan date of 22nd December
2012, I write like 22/12/2012 in Australian date format, you get the
11/7/2009 and the 28/1/2006. And these align up with the the exact

scripture

by chapter and verse 22:12, 11:7 and 28 (no chapter 28 so, 2+8=10 see full
chapter 10)

see www.id-chip.4t.com/mayan.htm

Destiny to calculate beyond coincidence
www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm

"Seventy weeks" is a mistranslation of the original words: Seventy 'sevens'.
A 'seven' was assumed to mean one week in the translation. This is
erroneous. A 'seven' is one celestial cycle. Whereas we use the decimal
(base 10), the celestial counting system is the septimal (base 7).
Therefore, when the angel Gabriel told Daniel 70 'sevens' are determined, it
means 700 years.
DAN 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy
city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make
reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
700 B.C. was the time of the Jewish exile into Assyria after the two
kingdoms warred with one another. They never reconciled and made an end to
sins and they did not anoint Jesus.
DAN 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the
commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince
shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be
built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
The Temple of Jerusalem (the second temple) lasted 70 years until the Romans
tore it down. Then it was rebuilt after the 7 'sevens' and 62 'sevens'
later, i.e.: 690 years after Anno Domino as the Temple of the Dome Rock
(al-Aqsa Mosque)
9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not
for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the
city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto
the end of the war desolations are determined.
After 62 'sevens' or 620 years, in 620 A.D., Islam was founded and
Christianity was cut-off, not Christ, but the religion of his namesake and
the people of the prince (the Christians) will destroy Jerusalem and the
al-Aqsa Mosque and until the end of the war, desolations (decimation of
people) are determined. The end will be with a flood.
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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 02:39:31 AM
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Daniel Chapter 9 verse "27"

This is the peace treaty of the final 7 years. 9 also means finality...

27

is 3 x 9, and also 2+7=9.

so perhaps the 27 years of war (not that I know anything about Nostie)

might

be a numerical clue to this same event.

(there are those who say that this 70th week of Daniels prophecies was
fulfilled by Jesus making a convenant, but it clearly states that it is

the

final anti christ and not the christ. Perhaps such confusion is the

reason

why so many will follow the anti christ.
Many say that the 70th week (as they are divided into 7+62+1 = 70) is

the

final week of the end of the age (as do I).

Note this 70th week is actually 7 years and split into two equal parts

of

42

months. If you calculate backwards from the Mayan date of 22nd December
2012, I write like 22/12/2012 in Australian date format, you get the
11/7/2009 and the 28/1/2006. And these align up with the the exact

scripture

by chapter and verse 22:12, 11:7 and 28 (no chapter 28 so, 2+8=10 see

full

chapter 10)

see www.id-chip.4t.com/mayan.htm

Destiny to calculate beyond coincidence
www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm



"Seventy weeks" is a mistranslation of the original words: Seventy

'sevens'.

A 'seven' was assumed to mean one week in the translation. This is
erroneous. A 'seven' is one celestial cycle. Whereas we use the decimal
(base 10), the celestial counting system is the septimal (base 7).
Therefore, when the angel Gabriel told Daniel 70 'sevens' are determined,

it

means 700 years.

DAN 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy
city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make
reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness,

and

to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

700 B.C. was the time of the Jewish exile into Assyria after the two
kingdoms warred with one another. They never reconciled and made an end

to

sins and they did not anoint Jesus.

DAN 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the
commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince
shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be
built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The Temple of Jerusalem (the second temple) lasted 70 years until the

Romans

tore it down. Then it was rebuilt after the 7 'sevens' and 62 'sevens'
later, i.e.: 690 years after Anno Domino as the Temple of the Dome Rock
(al-Aqsa Mosque)

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but

not

for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy

the

city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and

unto

the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 62 'sevens' or 620 years, in 620 A.D., Islam was founded and
Christianity was cut-off, not Christ, but the religion of his namesake and
the people of the prince (the Christians) will destroy Jerusalem and the
al-Aqsa Mosque and until the end of the war, desolations (decimation of
people) are determined. The end will be with a flood.


cesar

Please bare with me here cesar, but I am highly amused and chuckling at
again another unique perspective of these things.
Seems there are as many theories as there are people who read these things.
Though I have not found which is totally as I think, with my ideas being
parts of several others.
I have got Artexerxes making the decree around approximately 447 - 444 BC
and the death of Jesus being the (7 + 62) x 7 = 483 years. These then
converted from 360 day years to 365.25 day years, by multiplying by 360 then
dividing by 365.25. This giving the value of 476.056 years. 447BC plus 476
years, maths equivalent of -447 + 476 = 29. However, no year zero, means add
one more year to compensate, and we get 30. This puts the crucifixion date
at 30AD
If Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified, then that makes another 3
years subtracted from the 0 (since we already compensated for it) giving the
birth year as 3BC.
The final 70th seven (week) of Daniel 9:27, being a treaty made by the Anti
Christ and not the Messiah. Being seperated from the other sevens, as they
are 7, 62 and then 1. A definite seperation. But also much more proof when
seen in light with the prophecies of Revelation 11:7 and 13:5.
There is much more not explained here, and requires more depth. I am trying
to make it clearer on my web site. But it seems that the proof is in the
pudding, and to give the Mayan date minus two lots of 42 months, brings a
date and much other things that I have calculated by destiny of my
curiosity, and it would seem by some leading of the Holy Spirit. For I am
not set in my ways to adhere to preconceived notions.
www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm
and that page is still only part of the numbers which link me to these
calculations.
--
Peace and Love
Jesus is Lord
The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
www.id-chip.4t.com
God foreknew I would do these things from curiosity to know more.
www.id-chip.4t.com/personalsummary.htm
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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 09:23:24 AM
"Ray Michael OKeeffe" <raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Daniel Chapter 9 verse "27"

This is the peace treaty of the final 7 years. 9 also means

finality...

27

is 3 x 9, and also 2+7=9.

so perhaps the 27 years of war (not that I know anything about Nostie)

might

be a numerical clue to this same event.

(there are those who say that this 70th week of Daniels prophecies was
fulfilled by Jesus making a convenant, but it clearly states that it

is

the

final anti christ and not the christ. Perhaps such confusion is the

reason

why so many will follow the anti christ.
Many say that the 70th week (as they are divided into 7+62+1 = 70) is

the

final week of the end of the age (as do I).

Note this 70th week is actually 7 years and split into two equal parts

of

42

months. If you calculate backwards from the Mayan date of 22nd

December

2012, I write like 22/12/2012 in Australian date format, you get the
11/7/2009 and the 28/1/2006. And these align up with the the exact

scripture

by chapter and verse 22:12, 11:7 and 28 (no chapter 28 so, 2+8=10 see

full

chapter 10)

see www.id-chip.4t.com/mayan.htm

Destiny to calculate beyond coincidence
www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm



"Seventy weeks" is a mistranslation of the original words: Seventy

'sevens'.

A 'seven' was assumed to mean one week in the translation. This is
erroneous. A 'seven' is one celestial cycle. Whereas we use the decimal
(base 10), the celestial counting system is the septimal (base 7).
Therefore, when the angel Gabriel told Daniel 70 'sevens' are

determined,

it

means 700 years.

DAN 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy
city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to

make

reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness,

and

to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

700 B.C. was the time of the Jewish exile into Assyria after the two
kingdoms warred with one another. They never reconciled and made an end

to

sins and they did not anoint Jesus.

DAN 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of

the

commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the

Prince

shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be
built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The Temple of Jerusalem (the second temple) lasted 70 years until the

Romans

tore it down. Then it was rebuilt after the 7 'sevens' and 62 'sevens'
later, i.e.: 690 years after Anno Domino as the Temple of the Dome Rock
(al-Aqsa Mosque)

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but

not

for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy

the

city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and

unto

the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 62 'sevens' or 620 years, in 620 A.D., Islam was founded and
Christianity was cut-off, not Christ, but the religion of his namesake

and

the people of the prince (the Christians) will destroy Jerusalem and the
al-Aqsa Mosque and until the end of the war, desolations (decimation of
people) are determined. The end will be with a flood.


cesar


Please bare with me here cesar, but I am highly amused and chuckling at
again another unique perspective of these things.

The angel who prophesied to Daniel could not possibly tell the Jewish
prophet exactly when their expected Messiah was to come! Only that he was
coming. Certainly it was not 70 weeks from the time of Daniel.
NIV Daniel 9:24 Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy
city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to
anoint the most holy. It was a prophecy pointing to the coming of Jesus,
his time on earth and the endtime, all expressed in the cryptic meaning of
'seven'. Therefore, the key used to decipher the 'seven' must fit the
entire prophecy.

Seems there are as many theories as there are people who read these

things.
Because of the word 'seven'. One thing that should not be done is to
multiply 7 by other numbers of which there are no basis.

Though I have not found which is totally as I think, with my ideas being
parts of several others.

I have got Artexerxes making the decree around approximately 447 - 444 BC
and the death of Jesus being the (7 + 62) x 7 = 483 years. These then
converted from 360 day years to 365.25 day years, by multiplying by 360

then

dividing by 365.25. This giving the value of 476.056 years. 447BC plus 476
years, maths equivalent of -447 + 476 = 29. However, no year zero, means

add

one more year to compensate, and we get 30. This puts the crucifixion date
at 30AD

If Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified, then that makes another 3
years subtracted from the 0 (since we already compensated for it) giving

the

birth year as 3BC.

The year of birth of Jesus is believed to be 4B.C., when Jews were ordered
to go back to their village of birth by Roman decree in order for the census
to be conducted. That year is believed to be between 4 B.C. and 6 B.C. and
not before 4. B.C.
http://www.biblequestions.org/Archives/BQAR373.htm

The final 70th seven (week) of Daniel 9:27, being a treaty made by the

Anti

Christ and not the Messiah. Being seperated from the other sevens, as they
are 7, 62 and then 1. A definite seperation. But also much more proof when
seen in light with the prophecies of Revelation 11:7 and 13:5.

Yes, there is a quantum leap between Daniel 9:26, which describes the end of
time and 9:27.
That gap between Jesus' death and the end of time is, of course the
Christian era, but Daniel was told that the Messiah would be 'cut-off' after
62 sevens but not of himself. The Koran denounces Christians as being
'Infidels' but it recognizes Jesus as the Messiah that was promised to the
Jews (see Koran, Ch. 3 House of Imran: "3.45": When the angels said: O
Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose
name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world
and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah). The Koran is
said to be the prophecy of Gabriel given to Mohammed, the same angel that
gave the prophecy to Daniel.
So, what is the prophecy of Daniel 9:27? It says that the Evil One
(Antichrist) will confirm (note that he confirms a covenant, not entering
into a covenant, which the covenant existed prior, and the covenenat does
not necessarily mean a treaty. A covenant is an oath, like an oath of
office.) In the midst of the 'seven', meaning a term, he breaks the
covenant. Let us say that George W. Bush was took an oath of office in
front of the nation, to uphold the consitution, to preserve and to bring
peace and his term was to be 8 years (assuming he is re-elected so there
would not second oath of office). He breaks that covenant after 4 years in
office and takes away the daily sacrifice and the oblation at the al-Aqsa
Mosque. It means that the Dome of the Rock temple, the al-Aqsa Mosque will
be destroyed in November of this year, bringing on the Holy War, Jihad
between America and its allies and the Islamic world. Something drastic has
to happen for America to incite Holy War, World War III. Something like New
York City being nuked, supposedly by Islamic terrorists, to which Usam bin
Laden will confess to.

There is much more not explained here, and requires more depth. I am

trying

to make it clearer on my web site. But it seems that the proof is in the
pudding, and to give the Mayan date minus two lots of 42 months, brings a
date and much other things that I have calculated by destiny of my
curiosity, and it would seem by some leading of the Holy Spirit. For I am
not set in my ways to adhere to preconceived notions.

www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm

and that page is still only part of the numbers which link me to these
calculations.

Peace and Love

Very unlikely in the time of tribulation coming soon.

Jesus is Lord

Indeed he is.
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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 03:08:19 PM
Just about the 70 weeks... I acknowledged they were years, and it was from
the degree given by Artexerxes in his 20th year to Nehemiah... see chapter 2
of same book.
And it was 69 x 7 years... which was converted our modern 365 day years from
the 360 day years (perhaps the "times" of the gentiles" ;-)
While there are many proofs of the timeline I mentioned... it is the final
timeline of the final 7 years which is now the relevant factor.
But we will see as it unfolds. The maths I have done has been from many
angles and the Mayan Date of 2012 is proving to be the common factor, and
the 84 months subtracted from that as the 28th of January 2006. I reckon it
will be the peace treaty... from several angles it points to this date...
but time will tell...
I give the exact date, so you will know that it right and I have said a head
of time that you may understand. No debates, just wait and see.
If you want the math click on the links.
--
Peace and Love
Jesus is Lord
The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
www.id-chip.4t.com
God foreknew I would do these things from curiosity to know more.
www.id-chip.4t.com/personalsummary.htm
Ray Michael O'Keeffe
raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com
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Daniel Chapter 9 verse "27"

This is the peace treaty of the final 7 years. 9 also means

finality...

27

is 3 x 9, and also 2+7=9.

so perhaps the 27 years of war (not that I know anything about

Nostie)

might

be a numerical clue to this same event.

(there are those who say that this 70th week of Daniels prophecies

was

fulfilled by Jesus making a convenant, but it clearly states that it

is

the

final anti christ and not the christ. Perhaps such confusion is the

reason

why so many will follow the anti christ.
Many say that the 70th week (as they are divided into 7+62+1 = 70)

is

the

final week of the end of the age (as do I).

Note this 70th week is actually 7 years and split into two equal

parts

of

42

months. If you calculate backwards from the Mayan date of 22nd

December

2012, I write like 22/12/2012 in Australian date format, you get the
11/7/2009 and the 28/1/2006. And these align up with the the exact

scripture

by chapter and verse 22:12, 11:7 and 28 (no chapter 28 so, 2+8=10

see

full

chapter 10)

see www.id-chip.4t.com/mayan.htm

Destiny to calculate beyond coincidence
www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm



"Seventy weeks" is a mistranslation of the original words: Seventy

'sevens'.

A 'seven' was assumed to mean one week in the translation. This is
erroneous. A 'seven' is one celestial cycle. Whereas we use the

decimal

(base 10), the celestial counting system is the septimal (base 7).
Therefore, when the angel Gabriel told Daniel 70 'sevens' are

determined,

it

means 700 years.

DAN 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy

holy

city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to

make

reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting

righteousness,

and

to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

700 B.C. was the time of the Jewish exile into Assyria after the two
kingdoms warred with one another. They never reconciled and made an

end

to

sins and they did not anoint Jesus.

DAN 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of

the

commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the

Prince

shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall

be

built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The Temple of Jerusalem (the second temple) lasted 70 years until the

Romans

tore it down. Then it was rebuilt after the 7 'sevens' and 62

'sevens'

later, i.e.: 690 years after Anno Domino as the Temple of the Dome

Rock

(al-Aqsa Mosque)

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,

but

not

for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall

destroy

the

city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and

unto

the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 62 'sevens' or 620 years, in 620 A.D., Islam was founded and
Christianity was cut-off, not Christ, but the religion of his namesake

and

the people of the prince (the Christians) will destroy Jerusalem and

the

al-Aqsa Mosque and until the end of the war, desolations (decimation

of

people) are determined. The end will be with a flood.


cesar


Please bare with me here cesar, but I am highly amused and chuckling at
again another unique perspective of these things.


The angel who prophesied to Daniel could not possibly tell the Jewish
prophet exactly when their expected Messiah was to come! Only that he was
coming. Certainly it was not 70 weeks from the time of Daniel.

NIV Daniel 9:24 Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your

holy

city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for

wickedness,

to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and

to

anoint the most holy. It was a prophecy pointing to the coming of Jesus,
his time on earth and the endtime, all expressed in the cryptic meaning of
'seven'. Therefore, the key used to decipher the 'seven' must fit the
entire prophecy.

Seems there are as many theories as there are people who read these

things.

Because of the word 'seven'. One thing that should not be done is to
multiply 7 by other numbers of which there are no basis.

Though I have not found which is totally as I think, with my ideas being
parts of several others.

I have got Artexerxes making the decree around approximately 447 - 444

BC

and the death of Jesus being the (7 + 62) x 7 = 483 years. These then
converted from 360 day years to 365.25 day years, by multiplying by 360

then

dividing by 365.25. This giving the value of 476.056 years. 447BC plus

476

years, maths equivalent of -447 + 476 = 29. However, no year zero, means

add

one more year to compensate, and we get 30. This puts the crucifixion

date

at 30AD

If Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified, then that makes another

3

years subtracted from the 0 (since we already compensated for it) giving

the

birth year as 3BC.


The year of birth of Jesus is believed to be 4B.C., when Jews were ordered
to go back to their village of birth by Roman decree in order for the

census

to be conducted. That year is believed to be between 4 B.C. and 6 B.C.

and

not before 4. B.C.

http://www.biblequestions.org/Archives/BQAR373.htm


The final 70th seven (week) of Daniel 9:27, being a treaty made by the

Anti

Christ and not the Messiah. Being seperated from the other sevens, as

they

are 7, 62 and then 1. A definite seperation. But also much more proof

when

seen in light with the prophecies of Revelation 11:7 and 13:5.


Yes, there is a quantum leap between Daniel 9:26, which describes the end

of

time and 9:27.
That gap between Jesus' death and the end of time is, of course the
Christian era, but Daniel was told that the Messiah would be 'cut-off'

after

62 sevens but not of himself. The Koran denounces Christians as being
'Infidels' but it recognizes Jesus as the Messiah that was promised to the
Jews (see Koran, Ch. 3 House of Imran: "3.45": When the angels said: O
Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one)

whose

name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world
and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah). The Koran is
said to be the prophecy of Gabriel given to Mohammed, the same angel that
gave the prophecy to Daniel.

So, what is the prophecy of Daniel 9:27? It says that the Evil One
(Antichrist) will confirm (note that he confirms a covenant, not entering
into a covenant, which the covenant existed prior, and the covenenat does
not necessarily mean a treaty. A covenant is an oath, like an oath of
office.) In the midst of the 'seven', meaning a term, he breaks the
covenant. Let us say that George W. Bush was took an oath of office in
front of the nation, to uphold the consitution, to preserve and to bring
peace and his term was to be 8 years (assuming he is re-elected so there
would not second oath of office). He breaks that covenant after 4 years

in

office and takes away the daily sacrifice and the oblation at the al-Aqsa
Mosque. It means that the Dome of the Rock temple, the al-Aqsa Mosque

will

be destroyed in November of this year, bringing on the Holy War, Jihad
between America and its allies and the Islamic world. Something drastic

has

to happen for America to incite Holy War, World War III. Something like

New

York City being nuked, supposedly by Islamic terrorists, to which Usam bin
Laden will confess to.

There is much more not explained here, and requires more depth. I am

trying

to make it clearer on my web site. But it seems that the proof is in the
pudding, and to give the Mayan date minus two lots of 42 months, brings

a

date and much other things that I have calculated by destiny of my
curiosity, and it would seem by some leading of the Holy Spirit. For I

am

not set in my ways to adhere to preconceived notions.

www.id-chip.4t.com/Rays_links.htm

and that page is still only part of the numbers which link me to these
calculations.

Peace and Love


Very unlikely in the time of tribulation coming soon.

Jesus is Lord


Indeed he is.

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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 04:47:02 PM
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:08:19 GMT, "Ray Michael OKeeffe"
<raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com> spake thusly:

Just about the 70 weeks... I acknowledged they were years, and it was from
the degree given by Artexerxes in his 20th year to Nehemiah... see chapter 2
of same book.

And it was 69 x 7 years... which was converted our modern 365 day years from
the 360 day years (perhaps the "times" of the gentiles" ;-)

While there are many proofs of the timeline I mentioned... it is the final
timeline of the final 7 years which is now the relevant factor.

But we will see as it unfolds. The maths I have done has been from many
angles and the Mayan Date of 2012 is proving to be the common factor, and
the 84 months subtracted from that as the 28th of January 2006. I reckon it
will be the peace treaty... from several angles it points to this date...
but time will tell...

I give the exact date, so you will know that it right and I have said a head
of time that you may understand. No debates, just wait and see.
If you want the math click on the links.

If you do not wish to debate an issue, you shouldn't
post it.
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"I am not permitted to let my love be so merciful
as to tolerate and endure false doctrine. When
faith and doctrine are concerned and endangered,
neither love nor patience are in order... For
a defective life does not destroy Christendom,
but exercises it. However, defective doctrine
and false faith ruin everything. Therefore, when
these are concerned, neither toleration nor mercy
are in order, but only anger, dispute and
destruction - to be sure, only with the Word
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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 03:56:48 PM
Ray,
The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida where
parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be tracked by
GPS in case they were kidnapped. The same chip can hold your entire
personal record, bank account, EVERYTHING and all your movement, your
location can be trackable by GPS. It is the ultimate security control tool.
It will be planted in one's hand or forehead to match with finger print or
retina when the chip is being read. Personal freedom will be gone. Humans
will become nothing more than androids following orders and be fed like a
beast or become escaped slaves on the run. The mark of the beast will turn
the wearer of the chip into a beast.
After the next major terrorist attack, like a nuking of New York, America
will be under martial law and the Chip will become mandatory for all law
abiding citizens.
Sounds like science fiction but that's how a deceitful anti-christ will
subjugate 200 million people, while the Catholic priests and evangelist
leaders will reassure their followers that the Chip is not the mark of the
beast because the beast is not the United States Military establishment and
the President is not the Antichrist. Beware of the false prophets. The
Chip is the mark of the beast. The flag imprint on your skin to show that
you have the chip is the mark of the beast. Those marked will be cattle
branded by the Texan devil.
cesar

Peace and Love

Jesus is Lord

The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
www.id-chip.4t.com

God foreknew I would do these things from curiosity to know more.
www.id-chip.4t.com/personalsummary.htm

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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 02 Mar 2004 06:24:12 PM
"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:40426021$1_2@127.0.0.1...

Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida

where

parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be tracked

by

GPS in case they were kidnapped. The same chip can hold your entire
personal record, bank account, EVERYTHING and all your movement, your
location can be trackable by GPS. It is the ultimate security control

tool.

It will be planted in one's hand or forehead to match with finger print or
retina when the chip is being read. Personal freedom will be gone.

Humans

will become nothing more than androids following orders and be fed like a
beast or become escaped slaves on the run. The mark of the beast will

turn

the wearer of the chip into a beast.

After the next major terrorist attack, like a nuking of New York, America
will be under martial law and the Chip will become mandatory for all law
abiding citizens.

Sounds like science fiction but that's how a deceitful anti-christ will
subjugate 200 million people, while the Catholic priests and evangelist
leaders will reassure their followers that the Chip is not the mark of the
beast because the beast is not the United States Military establishment

and

the President is not the Antichrist. Beware of the false prophets. The
Chip is the mark of the beast. The flag imprint on your skin to show that
you have the chip is the mark of the beast. Those marked will be cattle
branded by the Texan devil.

I Agree that the MARK is the IMPORTANT WARNING... and here is more evidence
about it below.
The following shows what the calculator program reveals...
See more at the website, which now has a menu system. (note you have to turn
off any popup killer software to use the menus)
I was kicked off a christian web site discussion group called Tribulation
Forces, http://www.tribulationforces.com/ because they thought I was merely
someone who was against GW Bush. But their blindness is so they will vote
for him one more time. I set up a poll there before I was locked out, and
the percentage of those who will vote for Bush is high, even those who
believe he is the beast and will vote for him. But the majority will vote
for him because they think he is God's man.
One of their elders said that the ID CHIP is not the mark, and because they
believe in the pretribulation rapture, and have their own ideas that the
first seal of Revelation does not happen till the final 7 years, they have
missed the 7 seals in history, and the 5 trumpets in the last 100 years.
Because I challenged the elder to recant what he said, I was banned. But all
my posts are there. And I was showing calculations of the final year as
being linked to the Mayan date. Ironically, (no coincidences in Gods calcs)
my member number with them was 490, which is the final year of Daniels
prophecy. All my posts are still there, and they all add up to back me up in
the numbers, but they all refute everything and dont investigate it. They
want bible chapter and verse, for things which are in fact appart from the
bible as with the code below.
"Applied Digital Solutions" - "Revs 13:18" = 888
"Applied Digital Solutions" - "Revelation" = 888
"www.adsx.com" - "RF ID Chip" = 666
"Applied Digital Solutions" - "Stock Verichip" = 666
"Applied Digital Solutions" - "Numbers Mankind" = 666
"VERIGUARD 666 ID" = 888
"VERICHIP Man 666" = 888
"RF-ID-CHIP" = 666 (hyphenated as typical of the language)
"E Identity" = 666 (short for Electronic Identity)
"Inject a Chip ID" = 666 (Chips are injected through a syringe)
"Sub Dermal ID =" = 666 (Means: Under the Skin Identity)
"RF ID Scanner" = 666 (IDs are scanned, with an electro-magnetic field power
source)
"PROM ID Chip" = 666 (Type Of Chip Is A Programmable Read Only Memory Chip)
"RF PID Chips =" = 666 (Personal Identity) "A Silicon PID" = 666
and then there are all the links to satan and branding with a mark of death
etc...
"Satans Seal" = 666
"Mark of Beast" = 666
"Satan Rule" = 666
"Wicked Seals" = 666
"ID-Chip Mark" = 666
"Wicked Rule" = 666
"Lucifer Seal" = 666
"A Mankind E Brand" = 666
"A King Of Evil" = 666
"Devil Seals =" = 666
"RF PID Brands" = 666
"Dark Power" = 666
"Evil God Seal" = 666
"Money Brand" = 666
"A Hell Kingdom" = 666
"E Seal Mankind =" = 666
"Satanic E Brand" = 666
"Devils Liar" = 666
"EFTPOS 666" = 666
"A EFTPOS PID" = 666
"Blaspheme 666" = 666
"ID Marketing" = 666
"A Devils Brand" = 666
"Death Bringer" = 666
"Death Mark 666" = 666
"A Soul Mark" = 666
"A Satanic Mark" = 666
"Death Marking" = 666
"Reveal E Mark" = 666
"Show Mark =" = 666
"Devil Id Mark =" = 666
"Clerical E Mark" = 666
"Wicked ID Mark" = 666
"666 Tools" = 666
"EFTPOS Mark" - "ID" = 666
"6-6-6 MARK" = 666
"An Evil Son" = 666
"Jacobses Seal" = 666 (first ppl to get the ID CHIP implanted)
"Masonic Seal" = 666
"Mark Of The Beast" - "= 666" = 666
Any one who uses violence in the name of God, is being a beast and not a
saint.
--
Peace and Love
Jesus is Lord
The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
www.id-chip.4t.com
God foreknew I would do these things from curiosity to know more.
www.id-chip.4t.com/personalsummary.htm
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Peace and Love

Jesus is Lord

The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
www.id-chip.4t.com

God foreknew I would do these things from curiosity to know more.
www.id-chip.4t.com/personalsummary.htm

Ray Michael O'Keeffe
raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com
(Remove the 888 to email)

(please do not send attachments for all mail with attachments is

filtered

as

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User: "Never anonymous Bud"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 09:32:12 PM
While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email> scribbled:

Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida where
parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be tracked by
GPS in case they were kidnapped.

Sorry, doesn't work that way.
And the chip is NOT a visible mark,
as the Bible says of the 'Mark of the Beast'.
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User: "cesar"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 10:52:55 PM
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida

where

parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be tracked

by

GPS in case they were kidnapped.


Sorry, doesn't work that way.

And the chip is NOT a visible mark,
as the Bible says of the 'Mark of the Beast'.

If you live in the beast's kingdom, you must abide by its laws and get your
microchip implant or get out. If you leave, you will be subject to war,
pestilence and famine. If you accept the chip, the beast will protect you,
inoculate you from the pestilence he will spread and feed you, for you are
the seed of his next generation, after he has weeded out the ethnically
undesirable ones of course. The army of the horsemen of the Apocalypse will
be 200 million strong. That's 2 out of 3 Americans. He who accepts the
mark will stay alive until the very end because Revelation says their fate
is to suffer the full wrath of God with double the dose of punishment and be
tormented by the lake of fire that burns with sulphur, probably until 2012
when the earth will change poles and the oceans wash everything off.
They'll be "left behind".
cesar
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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 01 Mar 2004 04:09:23 PM
"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:<4042c1a8$1_2@127.0.0.1>...

"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:jjb540t9c0b4c8ggi0n6u1atnvut50q1kq@4ax.com...

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida

where

parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be tracked

by

GPS in case they were kidnapped.


Sorry, doesn't work that way.

And the chip is NOT a visible mark,
as the Bible says of the 'Mark of the Beast'.


If you live in the beast's kingdom, you must abide by its laws and get your
microchip implant or get out. If you leave, you will be subject to war,
pestilence and famine. If you accept the chip, the beast will protect you,
inoculate you from the pestilence he will spread and feed you, for you are
the seed of his next generation, after he has weeded out the ethnically
undesirable ones of course. The army of the horsemen of the Apocalypse will
be 200 million strong. That's 2 out of 3 Americans. He who accepts the
mark will stay alive until the very end because Revelation says their fate
is to suffer the full wrath of God with double the dose of punishment and be
tormented by the lake of fire that burns with sulphur, probably until 2012
when the earth will change poles and the oceans wash everything off.
They'll be "left behind".

cesar

This is of course true if your "Christian beliefs or is that
indoctrination?
hold true, remember it is a fundies, view from the late 19 century,
that makes these oft repeated assertions.
But an objective person could quite easily discern that most of these
are fabrications.
nothing like a myth!
LB
.
User: "cesar"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 01 Mar 2004 04:33:56 PM
"Leigh_Bee" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:39cd5fe.0403011409.4867304a@posting.google.com...

"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:<4042c1a8$1_2@127.0.0.1>...

"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:jjb540t9c0b4c8ggi0n6u1atnvut50q1kq@4ax.com...

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in

Florida

where

parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be

tracked

by

GPS in case they were kidnapped.


Sorry, doesn't work that way.

And the chip is NOT a visible mark,
as the Bible says of the 'Mark of the Beast'.


If you live in the beast's kingdom, you must abide by its laws and get

your

microchip implant or get out. If you leave, you will be subject to war,
pestilence and famine. If you accept the chip, the beast will protect

you,

inoculate you from the pestilence he will spread and feed you, for you

are

the seed of his next generation, after he has weeded out the ethnically
undesirable ones of course. The army of the horsemen of the Apocalypse

will

be 200 million strong. That's 2 out of 3 Americans. He who accepts

the

mark will stay alive until the very end because Revelation says their

fate

is to suffer the full wrath of God with double the dose of punishment

and be

tormented by the lake of fire that burns with sulphur, probably until

2012

when the earth will change poles and the oceans wash everything off.
They'll be "left behind".

cesar

This is of course true if your "Christian beliefs or is that
indoctrination?
hold true, remember it is a fundies, view from the late 19 century,
that makes these oft repeated assertions.
But an objective person could quite easily discern that most of these
are fabrications.
nothing like a myth!
LB

14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat
like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand
a sharp sickle. 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying
with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and
reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is
ripe.
14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and
the earth was reaped.
14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also
having a sharp sickle. 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar,
which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the
sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of
the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 14:19 And the angel
thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and
cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Leigh, there are two "harvests". The first is by Jesus Christ who harvests
the firstfruits. The second is by an angel which had power over fire and he
gathers the grapes of wrath.
Christian fundies think that they are of the first harvest. This is where
they err. The first harvest is the Lamb of Christ, the people of Iran, who
will be attacked by a B1 stealth bomber carrying nuclear warheads in the
middle of the night. They will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye
without even knowing what hit them and Jesus Christ will be there to gather
them and bring them to heaven because they were the sacrificial lamb for the
slaughter. Christ comes as a thief in the night for them. If you want to
call that a 'rapture' then, yes, they will be instantly raptured into
kingdom come. The rest will suffer the tribulation and the chastisement by
fire because we have not been worshipping the one true God Almighty like the
fundamentalist Islamists have been doing since 620 AD, and for that, they
are being punhised by Satan, becasue Satan does not want God worshippers on
the earth. He wants worshippers of false idols, epitomized by the values of
the United States which Islam hates.
The 42 months of tribulation for those of us grapes of wrath is a period for
us to come clean and return to the worshipping God in humility and to reject
the rule of the Beast even on pain of death. Hence the mark as proof of yes
or no, friend or foe.
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User: "Never anonymous Bud"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 29 Feb 2004 11:59:44 PM
While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email> scribbled:

If you live in the beast's kingdom, you must abide by its laws and get your
microchip implant or get out. If you leave, you will be subject to war,
pestilence and famine. If you accept the chip, the beast will protect you,
inoculate you from the pestilence he will spread and feed you, for you are
the seed of his next generation, after he has weeded out the ethnically
undesirable ones of course.

That's NOT what the Bible says. But that's normal for you and your megalomania.
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User: "cesar"

Title: POLL: How many think the microchip ID will be the Mark of the Beast? 01 Mar 2004 10:45:06 AM
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


If you live in the beast's kingdom, you must abide by its laws and get

your

microchip implant or get out. If you leave, you will be subject to war,
pestilence and famine. If you accept the chip, the beast will protect

you,

inoculate you from the pestilence he will spread and feed you, for you

are

the seed of his next generation, after he has weeded out the ethnically
undesirable ones of course.


That's NOT what the Bible says. But that's normal for you and your

megalomania.


The bible doesn't tell you EVERYTHING. With a little bit of imagination,
you ought to be able to figure things out.
If people are implanted with a microchip like animals, then what is the
difference between the humans with the chip implant and animals? None.
You're owned by the master.
Perhaps a poll might be interesting.
Suppose New York City gets nuked by a terrorist attack and martial law is
put in place. The consitution has been suspended and all residents in the
United States must bring their birth certificate and any other
identification documents (amnesty for all illegal alients granted) to the
nearest DHS (FBI) station to register and receive a microchip ID implant in
their right hand or forehead and have their finger print or eye ball scanned
for cross reference match.
DO you think that THAT is THE MARK OF THE BEAST the bible warns about?
Yes or No please. Thank you.
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User: "Werewolfy"

Title: Re: POLL: How many think the microchip ID will be the Mark of the Beast? 01 Mar 2004 06:38:50 PM
"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:<40436893_2@127.0.0.1>...


DO you think that THAT is THE MARK OF THE BEAST the bible warns about?

Yes or No please. Thank you.

cesar

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User: "DaarkSyde"

Title: Re: POLL: How many think the microchip ID will be the Mark of the Beast? 02 Mar 2004 06:45:36 AM
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:45:06 -0500, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:


"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:89k5405e5j3fj1e5vok45rp47vgs7dikg2@4ax.com...

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


If you live in the beast's kingdom, you must abide by its laws and get

your

microchip implant or get out. If you leave, you will be subject to war,
pestilence and famine. If you accept the chip, the beast will protect

you,

inoculate you from the pestilence he will spread and feed you, for you

are

the seed of his next generation, after he has weeded out the ethnically
undesirable ones of course.


That's NOT what the Bible says. But that's normal for you and your

megalomania.



The bible doesn't tell you EVERYTHING. With a little bit of imagination,
you ought to be able to figure things out.

If people are implanted with a microchip like animals, then what is the
difference between the humans with the chip implant and animals? None.
You're owned by the master.

Perhaps a poll might be interesting.

Suppose New York City gets nuked by a terrorist attack and martial law is
put in place. The consitution has been suspended and all residents in the
United States must bring their birth certificate and any other
identification documents (amnesty for all illegal alients granted) to the
nearest DHS (FBI) station to register and receive a microchip ID implant in
their right hand or forehead and have their finger print or eye ball scanned
for cross reference match.

DO you think that THAT is THE MARK OF THE BEAST the bible warns about?

Yes or No please. Thank you.

cesar








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User: "Never anonymous Bud"

Title: Re: POLL: How many think the microchip ID will be the Mark of the Beast? 01 Mar 2004 05:12:03 PM
While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email> scribbled:

The bible doesn't tell you EVERYTHING. With a little bit of imagination,
you ought to be able to figure things out.

Oh, of COURSE, when you're not happy with what the Bible says
just write in what YOU want.
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User: "naming el"

Title: Re: POLL: How many think the microchip ID will be the Mark of the Beast? 01 Mar 2004 09:17:17 PM
Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:<jpg740diqu3jqbtkitc4m7a2gf385lqulf@4ax.com>...

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email> scribbled:

The bible doesn't tell you EVERYTHING. With a little bit of imagination,
you ought to be able to figure things out.


Oh, of COURSE, when you're not happy with what the Bible says
just write in what YOU want.

Been happening for the past couple of thousand years, Bud. Why change now?






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User: "DaarkSyde"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 01 Mar 2004 08:00:26 AM
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 05:59:44 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email> scribbled:

If you live in the beast's kingdom, you must abide by its laws and get your
microchip implant or get out. If you leave, you will be subject to war,
pestilence and famine. If you accept the chip, the beast will protect you,
inoculate you from the pestilence he will spread and feed you, for you are
the seed of his next generation, after he has weeded out the ethnically
undesirable ones of course.


That's NOT what the Bible says. But that's normal for you and your megalomania.

Oh, so now you are a philosophy major too? Hahahahaha. Get a grip.
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User: "Ray Michael OKeeffe"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 02 Mar 2004 06:27:36 PM
"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida

where

parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be tracked

by

GPS in case they were kidnapped.


Sorry, doesn't work that way.

And the chip is NOT a visible mark,
as the Bible says of the 'Mark of the Beast'.

The bible does not say the Mark is visible.
In fact the King James Version says the mark is IN the forehead or right
hand.
And an electronic chip commicated with by Radio Frequencies, does not have
to be visible to have an electronic visibility.
One must be technologically aware, and be willing to give up preconceived
notions and interpretations else one will not recongise it until it is too
late to avoid the confrontation.
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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 03 Mar 2004 07:41:43 AM
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:27:36 GMT, "Ray Michael OKeeffe"
<raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com> spake thusly:

"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:jjb540t9c0b4c8ggi0n6u1atnvut50q1kq@4ax.com...

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida

where

parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be tracked

by

GPS in case they were kidnapped.


Sorry, doesn't work that way.

And the chip is NOT a visible mark,
as the Bible says of the 'Mark of the Beast'.


The bible does not say the Mark is visible.

In fact the King James Version says the mark is IN the forehead or right
hand.

And an electronic chip commicated with by Radio Frequencies, does not have
to be visible to have an electronic visibility.

One must be technologically aware, and be willing to give up preconceived
notions and interpretations else one will not recongise it until it is too
late to avoid the confrontation.

The Bible does not say anything about a computer chip.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Cause when you're with me, I'm free, I'm careless,
I believe. Above any others, we'll fly. This brings
tears, to my eyes." - Creed: My Sacrifice
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User: "cesar"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 05 Mar 2004 12:40:38 AM
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:27:36 GMT, "Ray Michael OKeeffe"
<raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com> spake thusly:

"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:jjb540t9c0b4c8ggi0n6u1atnvut50q1kq@4ax.com...

While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "cesar" <cesar@no.email>

scribbled:


Ray,

The ID Chip is indeed here. There was a pilot project done in Florida

where

parents took their kids to have the chip implanted so they can be

tracked

by

GPS in case they were kidnapped.


Sorry, doesn't work that way.

And the chip is NOT a visible mark,
as the Bible says of the 'Mark of the Beast'.


The bible does not say the Mark is visible.

In fact the King James Version says the mark is IN the forehead or right
hand.

And an electronic chip commicated with by Radio Frequencies, does not

have

to be visible to have an electronic visibility.

One must be technologically aware, and be willing to give up preconceived
notions and interpretations else one will not recongise it until it is

too

late to avoid the confrontation.


The Bible does not say anything about a computer chip.

The word of God can only be understood in the spirit.
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User: "DaarkSyde"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 03 Mar 2004 08:12:47 AM
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:41:43 -0500, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Bible does not say anything about a computer chip.

How about a potatoe chip? You have to read between the lines, with
our modern technology a computer chip is the obvious suspect.
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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 03 Mar 2004 10:50:45 AM
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:12:47 -0500, DaarkSyde
<DaarkSyde@everywhere.com> spake thusly:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:41:43 -0500, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:


The Bible does not say anything about a computer chip.


How about a potatoe chip? You have to read between the lines, with
our modern technology a computer chip is the obvious suspect.

In other words, insert your own beliefs and then claim
it's true.
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to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Cause when you're with me, I'm free, I'm careless,
I believe. Above any others, we'll fly. This brings
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Title: Re: THIS 27 YEARS OF WAR THINGIE................... 03 Mar 2004 12:02:16 PM
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:12:47 -0500, DaarkSyde
<DaarkSyde@everywhere.com> spake thusly:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:41:43 -0500, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:


The Bible does not say anything about a computer chip.


How about a potatoe chip? You have to read between the lines, with
our modern technology a computer chip is the obvious suspect.


In other words, insert your own beliefs and then claim
it's true.

The false prophets will say, hell no, the microchip is not the 'mark of the
beast'. They will point out that the bible says the mark is *on* the hand
or forehead, not *in* the hand or forehead.
Well, it looks like someone tampered with the translation and put what THEY
thought it meant from the Latin "IN dextera manu" and "IN frontibus". They
must have thought, hey, how can a mark be IN the hand and IN the forehead,
and so they changed it to "ON the hand" and "ON the forehead". Know what
the expression "Changing an iota" means? It means changing an "i" into an
"o".
The mark is IN the hand or IN the forehead and without it, you cannot buy or
sell. Now could that possibly be anything other than a smart chip?
Who would accept such an implant? Some people have already. The company
is ready to mass produce the chip.
OK, but won't most people associate the chip with the mark of the beast?
Not if their PASTORS tell them that it is not. And not if it is required
by LAW.
Why will 200 million Americans accept it? New York City will be nuked and
security will be the number one thing on everyone's mind.
The Chip will initially be for ID purposes only. Then it will replace the
ATM card and used for buying. Then it will replace banks and be used for
credit storage, like payroll, payment for services, etc. when paper money
and coins are phased out to control drug and "terrorist" money laundering
and the America's foreign debt and balances of payment are wiped out.
But the ultimate aim of the Chip is the means to force WORSHIP the BEAST.
Why does the bible says that all people big and small, free and bond will
receive the mark? Because there will be categories and classes of the
"marquees". The privileged will greet Bush with a Hail Bush salute for
the chip to be read. The unprivileged will be made to prostrate to the
ground like a dog for the chip in the forehead to be read.
Why to the ground? Because it has to accommodate all people big and small,
tall or short. So the scanner will be a couple of feet off the ground so
that it can read the chip in the foreheads of people of any height. They
will have to prostrate themselves, just like the Muslims do in prayer.
Except they will be prostrating to Bush, not God.
So, who will have their chips in their forehead? Nation of Islam for one.
Bush critics and Bush haters for another.
Who will be the elite with the privilege of saluting Hail Bush?
All his cronies: members of the secret societies, gangsters, thugs,
murderers, pimps, drug dealers, pornographers, all who are proud and
unashamed of evil.
How will the mark humiliate you? By showing on the big screen monitor what
you are really like, for all to see. Porno fan? Coke sniffer?
Masturbator? Adulterer? Paedophile? Pervert? Hiding a shameful disease?
Leading a second life from your spouse and kids and co-workers? Guess what!
They'll all see it on the big screen at security check in! Where you've
been, what you've been doing, etc. All secrets will be exposed. The Devil
has your "book of life" and he will show it to everyone what you've been
hiding. He will expose the hypocrite that you are. That you think you can
enjoy sin in secret and not be exposed so that no one knows and you can ask
God secretly in prayer for forgiveness and he will wipe it clean? No so.
Bush, the Devil, will have the file on you. Nobody has a clean rap sheet!
So how do you avoid the humiliation and redeem yourself? By embracing
evil. By being proud of it. Then he will reward you and elevate you the
more evil you do for him, like turning in those who escaped the Chip, or
killing them. By pledging allegiance to him and becoming one of his
henchmen. So instead of being afraid of what might pop up on the screen,
you will be proud of it. He will salute you as you hail him.
Or you can kill yourself in shame but you won't. Because you were a coward
to accept the Chip in the first place. So you resign to becoming a beast
the rest of your days and live in shame with no dignity, no self-respect.
All this is possible thanks to modern technology, the Internet and the
Chip.
So, is the Chip the mark of the beast? Or something even worse than that?
The wages of sin is death. Think deeply about what that means. It means
death is the only way to escape the grip of the Devil. That's what Jesus
did. He paid the wages for our sins so that the Devil will let you go if
you choose Death over Life.
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Title: Chip of the Beast == Everyone that Does is Damned 03 Mar 2004 12:37:05 PM
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Or you can kill yourself in shame but you won't. Because you were a

coward

to accept the Chip in the first place. So you resign to becoming a beast
the rest of your days and live in shame with no dignity, no self-respect.
All this is possible thanks to modern technology, the Internet and the
Chip.

So, is the Chip the mark of the beast? Or something even worse than

that?


The wages of sin is death. Think deeply about what that means. It means
death is the only way to escape the grip of the Devil. That's what Jesus
did. He paid the wages for our sins so that the Devil will let you go if
you choose Death over Life.

Interesting.
So the only way One can save themselves
is by Killing Themselves?
Wow!! Jim Jones on a Global Scale!!
So the Sinners must Summit to Reformation
or Kill Themselves? Maybe the Reformation
is Necessary for the Sinner to Realize they
ARE Sinners, thereby Washing the Impurities
away from their Spirit. The Cleansing is
necessary for One to See their Actual
Relationship with God.
Those who Refuse to be Cleansed are
Delusional and Trust more in Themselves
than in the Spirit and Direction of the
Holy Signs.
Hmmmm. What's the Truth?
Words, Words, Everywhere.
Their Meanings Seems to Change with
each Listener. Strange Thing, Words.
Look at the Fruits the Words Produce.
That is the Only Way to Escape the
Prison of Words and their
Wishy-Washy meanings.
I am not sure. What does the
Bible say about the Elect taking
on the Mark of the Beast? Does
God's Seal protect Them from
the EVIL the Mark imposes?
Does their Faith make them
Immune to the Influences
of the Mark?
I am Sure someone out there has
a Gut Feeling about this Question.
The Lord doesn't Always speak
through the Bible, there has to
be some Enlightened Soul out
there with an Answer. For the
Sayings of Jesus were so many
that I suppose that even the
World Alone could not Hold
the Books that could be Written.
Oral Tradition must make up the
balance. I Trust in That.
The Brass Bear.
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