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This is such a "Bolton-to-Turkey" seat, which is not pegged down on the 350s. |
Hi, I know this seems rambling and off-topic at first, but bear with
me, and you'll see why I'm posting it.
I sometimes have what the doctors call "hypnagogic hallucinations". Or
in plain English, my dreams can sometimes start shortly _before_ I fall
asleep, instead of afterwards. However, it doesn't last long, since I
usually snap out of this state as soon as I'm aware of it.
A couple of nights ago, I had a hypnagogic state where I heard my own
voice saying "This is such a 'Bolton-to-Turkey' seat, which is not
pegged down on the 350s."
Now, since dreams and visions come directly from the subconscious, and
since the subconscious is much better than the conscious mind at
processing hidden links between seemingly unconnected concepts, I can't
help wondering if there's a message or meaning in those words? Many of
my normal dreams contain little premonitions about things that are
going to happen in the next few days, so why not these hypnagogic
dreams too?
I think "350s" are a make of train on Britain's railways. Do they run
to Bolton at all? If not, is Bolton served by trains with similar
seats?
The word "Turkey" suggests Muslims to me. Could an Islamic terrorist
be planning to hide a bomb under one of the train's seats? Or, more
likely IMHO, will there be a race riot on the train with seats being
thrown at innocent Muslims?
Can someone who has experience of both travelling on the "350" trains
AND of analysing prophecies help me understand this? If so, thanks in
advance.
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| User: "Ron Hubbard" |
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19 Aug 2005 08:45:39 PM |
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi, I know this seems rambling and off-topic at first, but bear with
me, and you'll see why I'm posting it.
I sometimes have what the doctors call "hypnagogic hallucinations". Or
in plain English, my dreams can sometimes start shortly _before_ I fall
asleep, instead of afterwards. However, it doesn't last long, since I
usually snap out of this state as soon as I'm aware of it.
A couple of nights ago, I had a hypnagogic state where I heard my own
voice saying "This is such a 'Bolton-to-Turkey' seat, which is not
pegged down on the 350s."
Now, since dreams and visions come directly from the subconscious, and
since the subconscious is much better than the conscious mind at
processing hidden links between seemingly unconnected concepts, I can't
help wondering if there's a message or meaning in those words? Many of
my normal dreams contain little premonitions about things that are
going to happen in the next few days, so why not these hypnagogic
dreams too?
I think "350s" are a make of train on Britain's railways. Do they run
to Bolton at all? If not, is Bolton served by trains with similar
seats?
The word "Turkey" suggests Muslims to me. Could an Islamic terrorist
be planning to hide a bomb under one of the train's seats? Or, more
likely IMHO, will there be a race riot on the train with seats being
thrown at innocent Muslims?
Can someone who has experience of both travelling on the "350" trains
AND of analysing prophecies help me understand this? If so, thanks in
advance.
I have precognition and if something is going to happen, I would know about it. If
I have to interpret some dream to get the meaning out of it-- 99.9% of the time,
there is no meaning; it's just junk from my subconscious. If you
associate "Turkey" with "Muslims" you're reaching there to make a connection;
that's a psychological rationalization not a prophecy.
Ron
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2005 05:18:42 AM |
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Thanks everyone. I'm glad that turned out not to be a premontition
after all. It would be terrible to think that my subconscious had
worked out something bad was going to happen but I was powerless to
prevent it. At least now I know there's nothing to worry about.
With hindsight, I suppose, if you think about it, it's obvious that
something at the _beginning_ of my dreams couldn't have been any kind
of prediction. After all, the subconscious is only just starting to
get warmed up and can't predict anything accurately. It's only towards
the end of the sleep cycle, right before waking up, that the dreams
have been running long enough to make accurate predictions.
Sorry for wasting your time with something that was so obviously going
to be false. I'll try and be more careful in future.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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22 Aug 2005 05:59:55 AM |
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks everyone. I'm glad that turned out not to be a premontition
after all. It would be terrible to think that my subconscious had
worked out something bad was going to happen but I was powerless to
prevent it. At least now I know there's nothing to worry about.
With hindsight, I suppose, if you think about it, it's obvious that
something at the _beginning_ of my dreams couldn't have been any kind
of prediction. After all, the subconscious is only just starting to
get warmed up and can't predict anything accurately. It's only towards
the end of the sleep cycle, right before waking up, that the dreams
have been running long enough to make accurate predictions.
Sorry for wasting your time with something that was so obviously going
to be false. I'll try and be more careful in future.
In future?
You mean you plan to make MORE predictions that don't pan out?
Somehow, I don't seem surprised.
Keep making them buddy, eventually you will get a hit by sheer chance alone.
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2005 06:36:03 AM |
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--- Steve O said...
<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
I'll try and be more careful in future.
In future?
You mean you plan to make MORE predictions that don't pan out?
No. I'm not _planning_ on making any predictions, just as I didn't
_plan_ on making that one.
Go back and read my original post.
I experience occasional hypnagogic hallucinations. This isn't
something I can control or plan for. I wondered _if_ there might be
any subconscious message in my hallucinations. That's why I posted
here. Now I know that there isn't, I won't need to bother wasting my
time looking for messages in future.
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| User: "tw" |
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22 Aug 2005 07:01:31 AM |
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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--- Steve O said...
<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
I'll try and be more careful in future.
In future?
You mean you plan to make MORE predictions that don't pan out?
No. I'm not _planning_ on making any predictions, just as I didn't
_plan_ on making that one.
Go back and read my original post.
I experience occasional hypnagogic hallucinations. This isn't
something I can control or plan for. I wondered _if_ there might be
any subconscious message in my hallucinations.
Yes, there almost certainly is. The seats on the 350 were often "facing the
engine". To sit "facing the engine" is a British idiom like "go on the other
bus" or "bat for the other side" meaning homosexual. Turkey is well known
for it's public steam baths, such baths in e.g. San Francisco have long been
associated with illicit meeting places for men. And of course, nearly
everybody from Bolton is a poof. Clearly, your subconscious is telling you
that you are a screaming Bertie and you want to do it on a train with a fat
kebab-shop proprietor. Possible while other men watch and stroke each other.
In Bolton.
That's why I posted here. Now I know that there isn't, I won't need to
bother wasting my
time looking for messages in future.
Well, you won't have to waste your time looking for a wife. Or a
relationship counsellor if you are currently married and it isn't working
out for some strange reason.
HTH! HAND
T
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2005 03:49:51 PM |
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Bravo, tw! une v=E9ritable tour de force.
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| User: "tw" |
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23 Aug 2005 06:16:28 AM |
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<mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bravo, tw! une véritable tour de force.
<modest bow>
C'est pas de toute..
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| User: "" |
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23 Aug 2005 12:03:20 PM |
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pas du tout, mon brave... ;)
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| User: "Aaron Duvall" |
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24 Aug 2005 01:51:21 AM |
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<mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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pas du tout, mon brave... ;)
Beucoup merde...
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| User: "tw" |
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24 Aug 2005 02:20:02 AM |
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<mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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pas du tout, mon brave... ;)
Zut alors!
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| User: "" |
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24 Aug 2005 08:42:39 AM |
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tw wrote:
Yes, there almost certainly is. The seats on the 350 were often "facing the
engine". To sit "facing the engine" is a British idiom like "go on the other
bus" or "bat for the other side" meaning homosexual. Turkey is well known
for it's public steam baths, such baths in e.g. San Francisco have long been
associated with illicit meeting places for men. And of course, nearly
everybody from Bolton is a poof. Clearly, your subconscious is telling you
that you are a screaming Bertie and you want to do it on a train with a fat
kebab-shop proprietor. Possible while other men watch and stroke each other.
In Bolton.
LOL! Nice try, but you make a slight mistake in assuming that I'm
straight to start with. In fact I came out years ago!
Never mind. Perhaps you're revealing more about your subconscious than
mine?
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| User: "tw" |
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24 Aug 2005 09:04:20 AM |
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
Yes, there almost certainly is. The seats on the 350 were often "facing
the
engine". To sit "facing the engine" is a British idiom like "go on the
other
bus" or "bat for the other side" meaning homosexual. Turkey is well
known
for it's public steam baths, such baths in e.g. San Francisco have long
been
associated with illicit meeting places for men. And of course, nearly
everybody from Bolton is a poof. Clearly, your subconscious is telling
you
that you are a screaming Bertie and you want to do it on a train with a
fat
kebab-shop proprietor. Possible while other men watch and stroke each
other.
In Bolton.
LOL! Nice try, but you make a slight mistake in assuming that I'm
straight to start with. In fact I came out years ago!
Well, there you are then - step aside, Jung - I'M the daddy now.
Never mind.
Mind? I'm ecstatic!
Perhaps you're revealing more about your subconscious than
mine?
I doubt it. I'm nowhere near stylish enough to be a homosexual, worse luck.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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24 Aug 2005 06:07:24 PM |
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tw wrote;-
"Well, there you are then - step aside, Jung - I'M the daddy now"
Carl has cause indeed to fear for his 'crown'.....;)
I'm.....impressed.
Hell tw, You often do that to me...;)
Werewolfy.
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| User: "Ken Ward" |
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24 Aug 2005 11:45:17 AM |
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
Yes, there almost certainly is. The seats on the 350 were often "facing
the
engine". To sit "facing the engine" is a British idiom like "go on the
other
bus" or "bat for the other side" meaning homosexual. Turkey is well known
for it's public steam baths, such baths in e.g. San Francisco have long
been
associated with illicit meeting places for men. And of course, nearly
everybody from Bolton is a poof. Clearly, your subconscious is telling
you
that you are a screaming Bertie and you want to do it on a train with a
fat
kebab-shop proprietor. Possible while other men watch and stroke each
other.
In Bolton.
LOL! Nice try, but you make a slight mistake in assuming that I'm
straight to start with. In fact I came out years ago!
Oh. Not another one. You don't live in Bolton I hope, there's no room for
any more.
KW, (Endangered species) Bolton.
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| User: "Tom" |
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24 Aug 2005 04:56:09 PM |
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"Ken Ward" <ken.g1itv@MTLworld.com> wrote in message
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
Yes, there almost certainly is. The seats on the 350 were often "facing
the
engine". To sit "facing the engine" is a British idiom like "go on the
other
bus" or "bat for the other side" meaning homosexual. Turkey is well
known
for it's public steam baths, such baths in e.g. San Francisco have long
been
associated with illicit meeting places for men. And of course, nearly
everybody from Bolton is a poof. Clearly, your subconscious is telling
you
that you are a screaming Bertie and you want to do it on a train with a
fat
kebab-shop proprietor. Possible while other men watch and stroke each
other.
In Bolton.
LOL! Nice try, but you make a slight mistake in assuming that I'm
straight to start with. In fact I came out years ago!
Oh. Not another one. You don't live in Bolton I hope, there's no room for
any more.
KW, (Endangered species) Bolton.
Can I borrow your mascara?
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| User: "Ken Ward" |
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24 Aug 2005 05:10:13 PM |
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"Tom" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Ken Ward" <ken.g1itv@MTLworld.com> wrote in message
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
Yes, there almost certainly is. The seats on the 350 were often
"facing
the
engine". To sit "facing the engine" is a British idiom like "go on the
other
bus" or "bat for the other side" meaning homosexual. Turkey is well
known
for it's public steam baths, such baths in e.g. San Francisco have
long
been
associated with illicit meeting places for men. And of course, nearly
everybody from Bolton is a poof. Clearly, your subconscious is telling
you
that you are a screaming Bertie and you want to do it on a train with
a
fat
kebab-shop proprietor. Possible while other men watch and stroke each
other.
In Bolton.
LOL! Nice try, but you make a slight mistake in assuming that I'm
straight to start with. In fact I came out years ago!
Oh. Not another one. You don't live in Bolton I hope, there's no room for
any more.
KW, (Endangered species) Bolton.
Can I borrow your mascara?
Don't "first" have them on the seat backs stating "Second Class"?
or are they Anti-Mascara's?
KW
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| User: "Steve O" |
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22 Aug 2005 09:19:22 PM |
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<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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--- Steve O said...
<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
I'll try and be more careful in future.
In future?
You mean you plan to make MORE predictions that don't pan out?
No. I'm not _planning_ on making any predictions, just as I didn't
_plan_ on making that one.
Go back and read my original post.
I did.
I experience occasional hypnagogic hallucinations. This isn't
something I can control or plan for. I wondered _if_ there might be
any subconscious message in my hallucinations.
Why would you wonder that?
That's why I posted
here. Now I know that there isn't, I won't need to bother wasting my
time looking for messages in future.
Or messages "from the future" as was originally implied?
You sounded just like any other fake psychic - throwing out vague
suggestions in the hope of eventually getting a hit.
Sorry it didn't work out this time.
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| User: "" |
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24 Aug 2005 08:40:25 AM |
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--- Steve O said...
<paul.ingerson@gmail.com> wrote in message
Go back and read my original post.
I did.
Then go back again and pay attention to what it actually said.
I experience occasional hypnagogic hallucinations. This isn't
something I can control or plan for. I wondered _if_ there might be
any subconscious message in my hallucinations.
Why would you wonder that?
Because, as I said in my original post:
since dreams and visions come directly from the subconscious, and
since the subconscious is much better than the conscious mind at
processing hidden links between seemingly unconnected concepts,
I can't help wondering if there's a message or meaning
See, you should've gone back and read it, like I suggested.
Or messages "from the future" as was originally implied?
No, just messages _from_ my subconscious, possibly _about_ the future.
Where did I imply anything to do with messages "from the future"?
What do you think I am, one of those nutters who thinks they've got
really psychic powers or something like that? I may be mantally ill,
but I'm not crazy!
You sounded just like any other fake psychic - throwing out vague
suggestions in the hope of eventually getting a hit.
I wasn't _hoping_ to get a hit at all. Since the only possible
meanings were all negative (terrorism or race riots) I was hoping my
explanations were wrong. And I'm relieved that they are.
Sorry it didn't work out this time.
Yeah, well, thanks but I don't think it's gonna work out at all.
Like I said elsewhere, these visions only occur when my mind is
preparing to sleep, and when my subconscious is just _beginning_ its
dream cycle. Of course its messages aren't ever going to be accurate,
because it isn't fully warmed up yet and hasn't had time to work out
all the hidden connections.
I should've realised this from the start. Sorry once again for wasting
everyone's time with it.
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| User: "contrex" |
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21 Aug 2005 02:58:48 AM |
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What a load of old shite this thread is!
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| User: "Aaron Duvall" |
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21 Aug 2005 09:36:13 PM |
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"contrex" <mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What a load of old shite this thread is!
And just what do you think is a better thread for a group
called uk.rec.psychic? Needle working?
-rh
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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22 Aug 2005 02:42:44 AM |
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"And just what do you think is a better thread for a group
called uk.rec.psychic? Needle working?"
The dustbin seems as good a place as any to post this rubbish.
Gosh...Bolton. How exotic and exciting. Puff-puff trains and evil
Turks.
Yes, I think the dustbin would do fine.
Werewolfy
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2005 02:08:24 PM |
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The original post was also cross-posted to uk.railway, which is a
technical / enthusiast oriented group, and which is where I came across
it. I replied before seeing it was a cross post. I also see it was
posted to alt.prophecies.nostradamus, which is where (in Google Groups)
I am posting this reply.
I must say there seem to be a lot of flakes on here.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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22 Aug 2005 09:22:32 PM |
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<mike.j.harvey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The original post was also cross-posted to uk.railway, which is a
technical / enthusiast oriented group, and which is where I came across
it. I replied before seeing it was a cross post. I also see it was
posted to alt.prophecies.nostradamus, which is where (in Google Groups)
I am posting this reply.
I must say there seem to be a lot of flakes on here.
Welcome to the madhouse on uk.rec.psychic!
Have a chat with Ron!
He can forecast winning lottery numbers and can turn lights on and off with
his mind!
(just DON'T ask him for the lottery numbers, OK!!).
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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23 Aug 2005 04:33:21 AM |
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"I must say there seem to be a lot of flakes on here."
How true Mike...How true.
There's considerable 'passion' in the field of trains, and a
refreshing, friendly group it must be.
There is also considerable 'passion' within alt Nostradamus too...;)
Werewolfy
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| User: "" |
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19 Aug 2005 06:36:41 AM |
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wrote:
I think "350s" are a make of train on Britain's railways. Do they run
to Bolton at all? If not, is Bolton served by trains with similar
seats?
Class 350's do not serve Bolton, but i think clas 185's which are very
similar will be serving Bolton once they come into service. They have
identical seating and train layout to the class 350's if i am not
mistaken.
The word "Turkey" suggests Muslims to me. Could an Islamic terrorist
be planning to hide a bomb under one of the train's seats? Or, more
likely IMHO, will there be a race riot on the train with seats being
thrown at innocent Muslims?
I am travelling on a '350' later and will be checking under my seat now
you've mentioned that!
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| User: "Chris Tolley" |
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19 Aug 2005 06:56:36 AM |
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On 19 Aug 2005 02:27:52 -0700, wrote:
Can someone who has experience of both travelling on the "350" trains
AND of analysing prophecies help me understand this?
No, I can't, other than to answer your specific questions ...
* No, 350's don't go to Bolton.
* No, 350 seats are distinctive, and no Bolton train has them.
.... and to suggest that a connection - Turkey > Muslims > Islamic
terrorists - is a very far fetched one indeed.
Be very clear about the difference between prophetic messages coming to
someone in dreams (in well attested cases, the message is always clear,
precise and delivered to someone relevant) and the enterprise of trying
to find meaning in one's dreams. The latter is better termed
oneiromancy, and has much more to do with psychology than prophecy.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632970.html
(43 133 at Reading, 17 Jan 1980)
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