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User: "u2fan"
Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:53:41 PM
Object: Time travel impossible or sucks bad
Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by the bar is
transported back in time to the same pub sitting over by a table, boom,
there would now be two Daves in the room, the one by the bar and the
one by the table, but one year from now the Dave by the bar is
transported back to sit by the table, but there is already a Dave from
the future there, so now there are two Daves in the same point of time
and space, this will be an infinite loop.
There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing a black
hole and possible big bang.
So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.
I say we shouldn't transport Dave.
The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one is
transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.
.

User: "Keizer Barbarossa"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 10:38:35 PM
"u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com> schreef in bericht
news:1161028421.273405.151730@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by the bar is
transported back in time to the same pub sitting over by a table, boom,
there would now be two Daves in the room, the one by the bar and the
one by the table, but one year from now the Dave by the bar is
transported back to sit by the table, but there is already a Dave from
the future there, so now there are two Daves in the same point of time
and space, this will be an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing a black
hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one is
transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.

Ever thought about travelling 50 or 60 years back in time and preventing
your own parents from meeting? Must be interesting to return to "Now"
again! ;-)
Regards,
Barbarossa
.

User: "mukyuk"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 03:09:10 PM
"u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1161028421.273405.151730@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by the bar is
transported back in time to the same pub sitting over by a table, boom,
there would now be two Daves in the room, the one by the bar and the
one by the table, but one year from now the Dave by the bar is
transported back to sit by the table, but there is already a Dave from
the future there, so now there are two Daves in the same point of time
and space, this will be an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing a black
hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one is
transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.

Kmiller will tell you, the only way to go back in time is through
channeling. You can go into the future to that way too!! Unfortunately,
just like String Theory, there's no way to know weather it's true or 'Just A
Thought'.....


.

User: "Perseid"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 07:17:51 PM
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com>
Spat the Words

Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by the bar is
transported back in time to the same pub sitting over by a table, boom,
there would now be two Daves in the room, the one by the bar and the
one by the table, but one year from now the Dave by the bar is
transported back to sit by the table, but there is already a Dave from
the future there, so now there are two Daves in the same point of time
and space, this will be an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing a black
hole and possible big bang.

Are you sure they're the same Dave ? The Dave from the future has
a whole year of life experiences that the other Dave doesn't have.
I say they're different Daves.


So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one is
transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.

.

User: "u2fan"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 03:36:11 PM
Even worse what if the from the future Dave shot the original Dave,
then how did the future Dave come from the future, that would have to
mean the future transport back event is a fixed event, and the arrival
is a fixed event, and hence impossible.
.
User: "Perseid"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 07:19:57 PM
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com>
Spat the Words

Even worse what if the from the future Dave shot the original Dave,
then how did the future Dave come from the future, that would have to
mean the future transport back event is a fixed event, and the arrival
is a fixed event, and hence impossible.

Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.
That's like a retro-active wipe-out... kill yourself by killing
your earlier double.
.


User: "Anonymous"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 11:18:11 PM
Incorrect. You can transport an infinte number of Daves (paradoxically
speaking).
You need to define, past, present and future.
For example: 1 year from now = Bsub0
Now, knowing applying the Many Worlds Interpretation(MWI)theoretically
Dave never arrives at A because, it's most likely that he'll be
Bsub1 = .000000000000001 ahead in time or Bsub2 .000000000000000000000004
behind in time. He'll can exist in both places at the same time. The
problem is tuning to the exact reality Bsub0, which would take an
a Type III civilization, to have that capability. Comprende? Thus
if this was achievable Dave would exist as a doppelganger. Solution
solved, since Dave's doppelganger is from a previous existence, they can
interact. You state "it's not possible to move atoms back in time." Prove
it?
.
User: "mukyuk"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 17 Oct 2006 12:06:48 AM
"Anonymous" <anon@comments.header> wrote in message
news:8BD661JD39007.0126273148@twistycreek.com...

Incorrect. You can transport an infinte number of Daves (paradoxically
speaking).
You need to define, past, present and future.
For example: 1 year from now = Bsub0
Now, knowing applying the Many Worlds Interpretation(MWI)theoretically
Dave never arrives at A because, it's most likely that he'll be
Bsub1 = .000000000000001 ahead in time or Bsub2 .000000000000000000000004
behind in time. He'll can exist in both places at the same time. The
problem is tuning to the exact reality Bsub0, which would take an
a Type III civilization, to have that capability. Comprende? Thus
if this was achievable Dave would exist as a doppelganger. Solution
solved, since Dave's doppelganger is from a previous existence, they can
interact. You state "it's not possible to move atoms back in time." Prove
it?

It is sometimes believed that if an infinite number of planets exist, then
every possible planet would have to exist, including, for instance, a planet
exactly like Earth, except with unicorns. Is this necessarily true?



.
User: "¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯ -- Rx for RRR Cults Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 17 Oct 2006 12:57:36 PM
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:06:48 GMT,
"mukyuk" <mukyuk@mukyuk.com> wrote:

"Anonymous" <anon@comments.header> wrote:

"u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com> wrote:

Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by
the bar is transported back in time to the same pub sitting over
by a table, boom, there would now be two Daves in the room,
the one by the bar and the one by the table, but one year from
now the Dave by the bar is transported back to sit by the table,
but there is already a Dave from the future there, so now there
are two Daves in the same point of time and space, this will be
an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing
a black hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one
is transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.

Incorrect. You can transport an infinte number of Daves
(paradoxically speaking).
You need to define, past, present and future.
For example: 1 year from now = Bsub0
Now, knowing applying the Many Worlds Interpretation(MWI)theoretically
Dave never arrives at A because, it's most likely that he'll be
Bsub1 = .000000000000001 ahead in time or Bsub2 .000000000000000000000004
behind in time. He'll can exist in both places at the same time. The
problem is tuning to the exact reality Bsub0, which would take an
a Type III civilization, to have that capability. Comprende? Thus
if this was achievable Dave would exist as a doppelganger. Solution
solved, since Dave's doppelganger is from a previous existence, they can
interact. You state "it's not possible to move atoms back in time." Prove
it?

It is sometimes believed that if an infinite number of planets exist, then
every possible planet would have to exist, including, for instance, a planet
exactly like Earth, except with unicorns. Is this necessarily true?

You should read, "What Mad Universe," by Fredric Brown.
You'd LOVE it!
If there LITERALLY were an infinite number of planets, then that
would have to include an infinite number of earths. Infinity is as
all-inclusive and endless as eternity is long.
That means that somewhere, there would be an earth that's EXACTLY
like this one, except that (for example) one molecule would be missing
from one leaf on a tree somewhere on its surface. Everything else --
including a whole human population like ours, doing exactly what each
of us is doing at any given moment -- would be identical.
Imagine a person's getting to heaven, and then finding out that
his eternal assignment is to explore EVERY planet in the universe, and
spend a few minutes, each, with each life form (human, animal, plant)
that inhabits it. That just might TAKE all of eternity. :)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
.
User: "mukyuk"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 17 Oct 2006 06:12:13 PM
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:5j5aj2dv0l7o1apl8hqi6nn07p06muun58@4ax.com...

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:06:48 GMT,
"mukyuk" <mukyuk@mukyuk.com> wrote:

"Anonymous" <anon@comments.header> wrote:

"u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com> wrote:



Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by
the bar is transported back in time to the same pub sitting over
by a table, boom, there would now be two Daves in the room,
the one by the bar and the one by the table, but one year from
now the Dave by the bar is transported back to sit by the table,
but there is already a Dave from the future there, so now there
are two Daves in the same point of time and space, this will be
an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing
a black hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one
is transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.


Incorrect. You can transport an infinte number of Daves
(paradoxically speaking).
You need to define, past, present and future.
For example: 1 year from now = Bsub0
Now, knowing applying the Many Worlds Interpretation(MWI)theoretically
Dave never arrives at A because, it's most likely that he'll be
Bsub1 = .000000000000001 ahead in time or Bsub2

..000000000000000000000004

behind in time. He'll can exist in both places at the same time. The
problem is tuning to the exact reality Bsub0, which would take an
a Type III civilization, to have that capability. Comprende? Thus
if this was achievable Dave would exist as a doppelganger. Solution
solved, since Dave's doppelganger is from a previous existence, they

can

interact. You state "it's not possible to move atoms back in time."

Prove

it?


It is sometimes believed that if an infinite number of planets

exist, then

every possible planet would have to exist, including, for instance, a

planet

exactly like Earth, except with unicorns. Is this necessarily true?


You should read, "What Mad Universe," by Fredric Brown.
You'd LOVE it!

If there LITERALLY were an infinite number of planets, then that
would have to include an infinite number of earths. Infinity is as
all-inclusive and endless as eternity is long.

That means that somewhere, there would be an earth that's EXACTLY
like this one, except that (for example) one molecule would be missing
from one leaf on a tree somewhere on its surface. Everything else --
including a whole human population like ours, doing exactly what each
of us is doing at any given moment -- would be identical.

Imagine a person's getting to heaven, and then finding out that
his eternal assignment is to explore EVERY planet in the universe, and
spend a few minutes, each, with each life form (human, animal, plant)
that inhabits it. That just might TAKE all of eternity. :)

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>

This is absolute RUBISH. Consider the set of odd number, an infinite set.
Now consider the set of even numbers, also an infinite set. Yet these two
sets are mutually exclusive. I infinite number of planets does not in any
way imply that there will be another one like earth.
.
User: "George Orwell"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 21 Oct 2006 10:15:31 PM

This is absolute RUBISH. Consider the set of odd number, an infinite
set.
Now consider the set of even numbers, also an infinite set. Yet these
two sets are mutually exclusive.

What I meant by those numbers is based on time (.00000000000004 of a
second) basically humans think linearally, and use time as a reference, a
flaw. Humans are not hard wired for totally understanding the concept of
infinity, it's a concept reserved for only the highest intelligent forms
in the universe.Those who can manipulate (Type III civilizations) it are
hence 'Godlike.' In a pardon the pun, nutshell, think of our reality as
like a radio, you now, are on 650AM, remember 650.10202006.[0] AM is us,
this is the reference point. Now to go back in the past, crudely
thinking, lets say to the year December 14, 1791 we would have to tune
into the frequency 650.12141791.[0] AM, ok. We go back but get to an
identical point 650.12141791.[5] AM, remember [5] means an exact
identical timeline...but perhaps a tree out of place or one particle out
of place somewhere in the cosmos.
This solves the Grandfather Paradox, our timeline is 650.10202006.[0]
AM , we go back to 650.12141791.[5] AM, since your in [5] you can
eliminate your great, great, great grandfather hence alter that timeline
[5]. You could still travel foreward to 650.10202006.[1] AM, and you'd
still be here because you only affected timeline [5].
Now come back to 650.10202006.[0] AM the result is 650.10202006.[1], your
still here...remember parallel universe's are vast this is why time
traveler's are rare as hen's teeth as a result of going into infinte
parallel timelines.
Another example:
Now if we wanted to go into the future to October 20, 2034, we would have
to tune into 650.10202034.[5] on our timeline 650.10202034.[0], we can't
get to absolute 650.10202034.[0] so we get to [1] or [infinte numbered
timeline]. So it wouldn't make much of difference other than the infinite
odds of coming back to where the Earth doesn't exist. It just wouldn't
happen.

I infinite number of planets does not in any
way imply that there will be another one like earth.

Yes it does! For instance, if you stay home instead of taking a walk in
the park, you have made a choice. But the caveat is...crudely speaking...
just the mere thought of thinking about that walk in the park makes it
exist simultaneously elsewhere with you in the infinite universe. There
are an infinite number of Earths existing simultaneously (see: Many
Worlds Interpretation)! Time is only concept of Man. If you can imagine
it then it exists. No if and's or but's! On the other hand there is a
distinct possiblity that man has long had this ability (mass Myan
Migration to another time, maybe 2 seconds ahead or back of our time) or
humanity destroyed themselves millions of years ago and their former
planet Mars was a mass exodus to this new planet we call Earth. To start
anew with religion as crux, theoretically.
I believe the Mayan year December 21, 2012 play's a big part of mans
evolution.
.
User: "mukyuk"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 22 Oct 2006 10:00:28 PM
"George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in message
news:8cef7d7cc1d6accbd2735b7a8695e9f4@mixmaster.it...

This is absolute RUBISH. Consider the set of odd number, an infinite
set.
Now consider the set of even numbers, also an infinite set. Yet these
two sets are mutually exclusive.


What I meant by those numbers is based on time (.00000000000004 of a
second) basically humans think linearally, and use time as a reference, a
flaw. Humans are not hard wired for totally understanding the concept of
infinity, it's a concept reserved for only the highest intelligent forms
in the universe.Those who can manipulate (Type III civilizations) it are
hence 'Godlike.' In a pardon the pun, nutshell, think of our reality as
like a radio, you now, are on 650AM, remember 650.10202006.[0] AM is us,
this is the reference point. Now to go back in the past, crudely
thinking, lets say to the year December 14, 1791 we would have to tune
into the frequency 650.12141791.[0] AM, ok. We go back but get to an
identical point 650.12141791.[5] AM, remember [5] means an exact
identical timeline...but perhaps a tree out of place or one particle out
of place somewhere in the cosmos.
This solves the Grandfather Paradox, our timeline is 650.10202006.[0]
AM , we go back to 650.12141791.[5] AM, since your in [5] you can
eliminate your great, great, great grandfather hence alter that timeline
[5]. You could still travel foreward to 650.10202006.[1] AM, and you'd
still be here because you only affected timeline [5].

Now come back to 650.10202006.[0] AM the result is 650.10202006.[1], your
still here...remember parallel universe's are vast this is why time
traveler's are rare as hen's teeth as a result of going into infinte
parallel timelines.
Another example:
Now if we wanted to go into the future to October 20, 2034, we would have
to tune into 650.10202034.[5] on our timeline 650.10202034.[0], we can't
get to absolute 650.10202034.[0] so we get to [1] or [infinte numbered
timeline]. So it wouldn't make much of difference other than the infinite
odds of coming back to where the Earth doesn't exist. It just wouldn't
happen.

I infinite number of planets does not in any
way imply that there will be another one like earth.


Yes it does! For instance, if you stay home instead of taking a walk in
the park, you have made a choice. But the caveat is...crudely speaking...
just the mere thought of thinking about that walk in the park makes it
exist simultaneously elsewhere with you in the infinite universe. There
are an infinite number of Earths existing simultaneously (see: Many
Worlds Interpretation)! Time is only concept of Man. If you can imagine
it then it exists. No if and's or but's! On the other hand there is a
distinct possiblity that man has long had this ability (mass Myan
Migration to another time, maybe 2 seconds ahead or back of our time) or
humanity destroyed themselves millions of years ago and their former
planet Mars was a mass exodus to this new planet we call Earth. To start
anew with religion as crux, theoretically.

I believe the Mayan year December 21, 2012 play's a big part of mans
evolution.

I think I might be nuts.... because I think I can acutally understand what
you are saying. I have acually wondered if I am the only one in the universe
and the one in all those parallel universes and I am everything and everyone
and it is all happening here and now to me, everywhere. Everything is just
me in a different point of a 'mindscape'....


.
User: "mukyuk"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 22 Oct 2006 10:08:31 PM
..... and buy the way, do you think it's possible that you could acually be
living in a totally different (but similar) Universe to me and everyone is
basically living in a different parallel universe. In fact there is an
identical universe where you are me and I am you.... what do you think?
"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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"George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in message
news:8cef7d7cc1d6accbd2735b7a8695e9f4@mixmaster.it...

This is absolute RUBISH. Consider the set of odd number, an infinite
set.
Now consider the set of even numbers, also an infinite set. Yet these
two sets are mutually exclusive.


What I meant by those numbers is based on time (.00000000000004 of a
second) basically humans think linearally, and use time as a reference, a
flaw. Humans are not hard wired for totally understanding the concept of
infinity, it's a concept reserved for only the highest intelligent forms
in the universe.Those who can manipulate (Type III civilizations) it are
hence 'Godlike.' In a pardon the pun, nutshell, think of our reality as
like a radio, you now, are on 650AM, remember 650.10202006.[0] AM is us,
this is the reference point. Now to go back in the past, crudely
thinking, lets say to the year December 14, 1791 we would have to tune
into the frequency 650.12141791.[0] AM, ok. We go back but get to an
identical point 650.12141791.[5] AM, remember [5] means an exact
identical timeline...but perhaps a tree out of place or one particle out
of place somewhere in the cosmos.
This solves the Grandfather Paradox, our timeline is 650.10202006.[0]
AM , we go back to 650.12141791.[5] AM, since your in [5] you can
eliminate your great, great, great grandfather hence alter that timeline
[5]. You could still travel foreward to 650.10202006.[1] AM, and you'd
still be here because you only affected timeline [5].

Now come back to 650.10202006.[0] AM the result is 650.10202006.[1], your
still here...remember parallel universe's are vast this is why time
traveler's are rare as hen's teeth as a result of going into infinte
parallel timelines.
Another example:
Now if we wanted to go into the future to October 20, 2034, we would have
to tune into 650.10202034.[5] on our timeline 650.10202034.[0], we can't
get to absolute 650.10202034.[0] so we get to [1] or [infinte numbered
timeline]. So it wouldn't make much of difference other than the infinite
odds of coming back to where the Earth doesn't exist. It just wouldn't
happen.

I infinite number of planets does not in any
way imply that there will be another one like earth.


Yes it does! For instance, if you stay home instead of taking a walk in
the park, you have made a choice. But the caveat is...crudely speaking...
just the mere thought of thinking about that walk in the park makes it
exist simultaneously elsewhere with you in the infinite universe. There
are an infinite number of Earths existing simultaneously (see: Many
Worlds Interpretation)! Time is only concept of Man. If you can imagine
it then it exists. No if and's or but's! On the other hand there is a
distinct possiblity that man has long had this ability (mass Myan
Migration to another time, maybe 2 seconds ahead or back of our time) or
humanity destroyed themselves millions of years ago and their former
planet Mars was a mass exodus to this new planet we call Earth. To start
anew with religion as crux, theoretically.

I believe the Mayan year December 21, 2012 play's a big part of mans
evolution.


I think I might be nuts.... because I think I can acutally understand what
you are saying. I have acually wondered if I am the only one in the
universe and the one in all those parallel universes and I am everything
and everyone and it is all happening here and now to me, everywhere.
Everything is just me in a different point of a 'mindscape'....





.



User: "¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯ -- Rx for RRR Cults Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 17 Oct 2006 06:43:17 PM
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:12:13 GMT,
"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote:

(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

"mukyuk" <mukyuk@mukyuk.com> wrote:

"Anonymous" <anon@comments.header> wrote:

"u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com> wrote:

Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by
the bar is transported back in time to the same pub sitting over
by a table, boom, there would now be two Daves in the room,
the one by the bar and the one by the table, but one year from
now the Dave by the bar is transported back to sit by the table,
but there is already a Dave from the future there, so now there
are two Daves in the same point of time and space, this will be
an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing
a black hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one
is transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.

Incorrect. You can transport an infinte number of Daves
(paradoxically speaking).
You need to define, past, present and future.
For example: 1 year from now = Bsub0
Now, knowing applying the Many Worlds Interpretation(MWI)
theoretically Dave never arrives at A because, it's most likely that
he'll be Bsub1 = .000000000000001 ahead in time or Bsub2
.000000000000000000000004 behind in time. He'll can exist in
both places at the same time. The problem is tuning to the exact
reality Bsub0, which would take an a Type III civilization, to have
that capability. Comprende? Thus if this was achievable Dave
would exist as a doppelganger. Solution solved, since Dave's
doppelganger is from a previous existence, they can interact. You
state "it's not possible to move atoms back in time." Prove it?

It is sometimes believed that if an infinite number of planets exist,
then every possible planet would have to exist, including, for instance,
a planet exactly like Earth, except with unicorns. Is this necessarily
true?

You should read, "What Mad Universe," by Fredric Brown.
You'd LOVE it!

If there LITERALLY were an infinite number of planets, then that
would have to include an infinite number of earths. Infinity is as
all-inclusive and endless as eternity is long.

That means that somewhere, there would be an earth that's EXACTLY
like this one, except that (for example) one molecule would be missing
from one leaf on a tree somewhere on its surface. Everything else --
including a whole human population like ours, doing exactly what each
of us is doing at any given moment -- would be identical.

Imagine a person's getting to heaven, and then finding out that
his eternal assignment is to explore EVERY planet in the universe, and
spend a few minutes, each, with each life form (human, animal, plant)
that inhabits it. That just might TAKE all of eternity. :)

This is absolute RUBISH. Consider the set of odd number, an infinite set.
Now consider the set of even numbers, also an infinite set. Yet these two
sets are mutually exclusive. I infinite number of planets does not in any
way imply that there will be another one like earth.

I submit that you are standing short of realizing the actual
magnitude of infinity. Infinity knows no limits. What you are saying
could make sense only if the progressions of even numbers and odd
numbers were finite. But since they are infinite, they simply are
each components of the endless infinite, so can't be compared
against each other. Endless is... *endLESS*.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
.
User: "mukyuk"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 18 Oct 2006 04:04:38 PM
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:12:13 GMT,
"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote:

(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

"mukyuk" <mukyuk@mukyuk.com> wrote:

"Anonymous" <anon@comments.header> wrote:

"u2fan" <isaiah6517@googlemail.com> wrote:



Let's say we're down the pub and 1 year from now Dave by
the bar is transported back in time to the same pub sitting over
by a table, boom, there would now be two Daves in the room,
the one by the bar and the one by the table, but one year from
now the Dave by the bar is transported back to sit by the table,
but there is already a Dave from the future there, so now there
are two Daves in the same point of time and space, this will be
an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing
a black hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one
is transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.


Incorrect. You can transport an infinte number of Daves
(paradoxically speaking).
You need to define, past, present and future.
For example: 1 year from now = Bsub0
Now, knowing applying the Many Worlds Interpretation(MWI)
theoretically Dave never arrives at A because, it's most likely that
he'll be Bsub1 = .000000000000001 ahead in time or Bsub2
.000000000000000000000004 behind in time. He'll can exist in
both places at the same time. The problem is tuning to the exact
reality Bsub0, which would take an a Type III civilization, to have
that capability. Comprende? Thus if this was achievable Dave
would exist as a doppelganger. Solution solved, since Dave's
doppelganger is from a previous existence, they can interact. You
state "it's not possible to move atoms back in time." Prove it?


It is sometimes believed that if an infinite number of planets
exist,
then every possible planet would have to exist, including, for
instance,
a planet exactly like Earth, except with unicorns. Is this necessarily
true?


You should read, "What Mad Universe," by Fredric Brown.
You'd LOVE it!

If there LITERALLY were an infinite number of planets, then that
would have to include an infinite number of earths. Infinity is as
all-inclusive and endless as eternity is long.

That means that somewhere, there would be an earth that's EXACTLY
like this one, except that (for example) one molecule would be missing
from one leaf on a tree somewhere on its surface. Everything else --
including a whole human population like ours, doing exactly what each
of us is doing at any given moment -- would be identical.

Imagine a person's getting to heaven, and then finding out that
his eternal assignment is to explore EVERY planet in the universe, and
spend a few minutes, each, with each life form (human, animal, plant)
that inhabits it. That just might TAKE all of eternity. :)


This is absolute RUBISH. Consider the set of odd number, an infinite
set.
Now consider the set of even numbers, also an infinite set. Yet these
two
sets are mutually exclusive. I infinite number of planets does not in
any
way imply that there will be another one like earth.


I submit that you are standing short of realizing the actual
magnitude of infinity. Infinity knows no limits. What you are saying
could make sense only if the progressions of even numbers and odd
numbers were finite. But since they are infinite, they simply are
each components of the endless infinite, so can't be compared
against each other. Endless is... *endLESS*.

I totally disagree. Infinity comes in various 'degrees'. Regardless of
what you say, there are no odd numbers within the even set.....even if you
never stop counting. Nevertherless, to entertain your idea (just for a
bit)... how do we distinguish one of these 'identical' plants to from the
next? Are they still identical, if they have a different night-time sky?



-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>


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User: "Anonymous"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 17 Oct 2006 03:41:58 AM
Sure, but the human lifespan is too short to be chasing 'mythical
creatures' that is, the unicorn does exist but finding one in an infinite
reality is again only achievable by a Type III civilization. Hence, why
the 'unicorn' has been documented on this planet in this time. Who could
make that up? Also if you can imagine anything happening in your life it
probably exist simultaneously in the MWI model. For instance, you are
wearing a green and plaid shirt:0
Oh and the reason why we don't have time travelers here or at least one
can argue (John Titor) is that they're rare is because each 'reality' is
unique specifically to quanta. For example, one quantum particle or atom
is out of place 4 billion light years away or the most eloquent example,
pardon the pun, Hitler won the war. Now look up Quarks, in our reality
Quarks are the result of the effects of Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI)
interaction...in the classical sense.
I would suggest you google (Many Worlds Interpretation) it so you
understand my point. It sucks bad, now because if you were to compare our
mathematics to the depths of the ocean, our math level on a humanity
level is 15 feet deep!
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User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 05:07:11 PM
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:53:41 -0700, u2fan wrote:

Let's say we're down the pub

<snip>
Well, that's your problem right there. Stay out of the pub!
;-)
Woods

and 1 year

from now Dave by the bar is

transported back in time to the same pub sitting over by a table, boom,
there would now be two Daves in the room, the one by the bar and the one
by the table, but one year from now the Dave by the bar is transported
back to sit by the table, but there is already a Dave from the future
there, so now there are two Daves in the same point of time and space,
this will be an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing a black
hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one is
transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.

.
User: "mukyuk"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 06:01:10 PM
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.16.22.07.11.134074@tepidmail.com...

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:53:41 -0700, u2fan wrote:

Let's say we're down the pub


<snip>

Well, that's your problem right there. Stay out of the pub!

Something tells me the pub is not the only thing he should stay away from!!!


;-)

Woods

and 1 year

from now Dave by the bar is

transported back in time to the same pub sitting over by a table, boom,
there would now be two Daves in the room, the one by the bar and the one
by the table, but one year from now the Dave by the bar is transported
back to sit by the table, but there is already a Dave from the future
there, so now there are two Daves in the same point of time and space,
this will be an infinite loop.

There will be an infinite mass of Daves by the table, causing a black
hole and possible big bang.

So now we know where they come from, darn scientists.

I say we shouldn't transport Dave.

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one is
transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.


.


User: "Thurisaz, warrior of Thor"

Title: Re: Time travel impossible or sucks bad 16 Oct 2006 10:53:04 PM
u2fan:

The fact it hasn't happened means either in the future no one is
transported back or it's not possible to move atoms back in time.

Or that one of the interesting models of time travel is true... like, you
aren't transported into your own past, but into an alternate timeline where
changes have no effect on your timeline.
Yeah, it's an interesting can of worms, thinking about time paradoxes. *g*
--
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor, natural enemy of morontheism
The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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