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06 Feb 2004 06:05:16 AM |
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TITTYGATE & Our Future - 11&12 yr old boys charged w/ sexualbattery |
This is where we are headed if we accept things like Janet's forced
exposing of her boob.
If women do not have any more respect for themselves than that, then how
are we supposed to teach little boys to have respect for them?
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Two South Florida boys are charged with the sexual battery of a
10-year-old girl at an elementary school, local sheriff's officials
said.
The Broward County, Florida, Sheriff's Office Wednesday said the two
boys, ages 11 and 12, are being charged with sexual battery and lewd or
lascivious exhibition.
A sheriff's office spokesman said the boys Wednesday pushed the girl
into a bathroom at Royal Palm Elementary School in Lauderhill, a
community northwest of Fort Lauderdale.
The two boys, whose names were not released because of their ages,
allegedly exposed themselves and committed sex acts on her, the
spokesman said.
A teacher who learned of the alleged incident contacted police.
The girl was examined at the county's Sexual Assault Treatment Center,
which determined evidence of sexual battery.
A juvenile court judge will determine if the boys will be released into
their parents' care or if they will remain at a facility for juvenile
offenders, said spokesman Jim Leljedal.
The girl is undergoing counseling, he said. The girl said the boys had
been harassing her for "several months," according to the sheriff's
department.
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| User: "tw" |
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| Title: Re: TITTYGATE & Our Future - 11&12 yr old boys charged w/ sexualbattery |
06 Feb 2004 07:08:17 AM |
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"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message
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This is where we are headed if we accept things like Janet's forced
exposing of her boob.
If women do not have any more respect for themselves than that, then how
are we supposed to teach little boys to have respect for them?
What the.. are you serious or doing a Tony pastiche?
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06 Feb 2004 09:27:53 AM |
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"tw"
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"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11787-402382FC-307@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
This is where we are headed if we accept things like Janet's forced
exposing of her boob.
If women do not have any more respect for themselves than that, then how
are we supposed to teach little boys to have respect for them?
What the.. are you serious or doing a >Tony pastiche?
It's common sense, something you seem to lack.
Tony
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| User: "tw" |
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06 Feb 2004 09:32:27 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"tw"
wrote:
"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11787-402382FC-307@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
This is where we are headed if we accept things like Janet's forced
exposing of her boob.
If women do not have any more respect for themselves than that, then
how
are we supposed to teach little boys to have respect for them?
What the.. are you serious or doing a >Tony pastiche?
It's common sense, something you seem to lack.
That's deliciously ironic, coming from someone who holds teh TWA800 opinions
you do Tony..
Now, please tell me how some has-been showing about as much tit as you will
see on any beach is going to casue the breakdown of civilisation and the
rape of small children! I could do with a laugh...
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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06 Feb 2004 07:21:19 AM |
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Yes......I am serious.
Now ***** you pervert!
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| User: "tw" |
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06 Feb 2004 09:33:08 AM |
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"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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06 Feb 2004 11:40:37 AM |
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tw wrote:
Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
Yeah, you should stay away from me.
You don't seem to understand this, but there are certain things that
young children should not be subjected to.
When you and your family sit down for some family viewing, that is what
you are supposed to get. We have cable networks reserved for
"titillating" sexual content.
You do have family oriented Tv viewing over there, don't you?
Now Janet did not expose her breast, Justin Timberlake ripped her top
off exposing it. He had sang that he would have her naked before the end
of the song. I guess we should have believed him? Both were in on it and
they betrayed the trust that we had in them.
I have no problem with Janet's breast but there is a time and place for
everything.
Children are being exposed to things more and more from the music video
era and it when the performers practically screw each other on stage
with the little bit of clothes they do have on then this sends the wrong
message to kids.
Our kids innocence needs to be protected. We have lived through the RAT
PACK and the BRAT PACK with no problem, but this new generation which
I'm naming the ***** PACK who have no children of their own are going to
learn that we will not tolerate the compromising of the innocence of
children.
Did Steve Tyler and Aerosmith drop their pants or expose themselves?
No....they are COOL and have kids of their own and know what is
acceptable unlike the ***** PACK who will push things to the limit *if*
we let them.
Thanks to Avril Levigne, Mandy Moore et al, for keeping clothed, having
self respect and not going the cheap route.
I have to go out and get some tampons and a butcher knife now....
later,
Mommadamus
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| User: "tw" |
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07 Feb 2004 04:42:57 AM |
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"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12883-4023D195-382@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
tw wrote:
Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
Yeah, you should stay away from me.
You don't seem to understand this, but there are certain things that
young children should not be subjected to.
YOu mean young children shoduln't be allowed to see breasts? My oh my! Janet
Jackoson even had her nipple covered! I dread to think what might happen to
a young child if it saw a nipple! It could put it in its mouth or anything!
Won't somebody PLEEEEEAAAAASE think of the children?
When you and your family sit down for some family viewing, that is what
you are supposed to get. We have cable networks reserved for
"titillating" sexual content.
It wasn't any worse than what a family might see at the beach.
You do have family oriented Tv viewing over there, don't you?
I suppose so, but there's always teh chance you might see a flash of tit in
a trailer for a film in teh ad break. People are a bit less hysterical about
that sort of thing here, and the society hasn't descended into rape and
child abuse as a result. In fact, it has a lower STD and teenage pregnancy
rate than the US by a long, long way.
Now Janet did not expose her breast, Justin Timberlake ripped her top
off exposing it. He had sang that he would have her naked before the end
of the song. I guess we should have believed him? Both were in on it and
they betrayed the trust that we had in them.
I have no problem with Janet's breast but there is a time and place for
everything.
Children are being exposed to things more and more from the music video
era and it when the performers practically screw each other on stage
with the little bit of clothes they do have on then this sends the wrong
message to kids.
Well, statistics indicate the earlier a child is educated about sex (i.e. th
e biological, social, emootional aspects and contraception etc) , the later
they actually do it. If you tell them it's
bad/wrong/naughty/disgusting/forbidden then you'll ***** their heads up AND
make them want to find out what all the fus is about as soon and as
irresponsibly as possible.
Our kids innocence needs to be protected. We have lived through the RAT
PACK and the BRAT PACK with no problem, but this new generation which
I'm naming the ***** PACK who have no children of their own are going to
learn that we will not tolerate the compromising of the innocence of
children.
Did Steve Tyler and Aerosmith drop their pants or expose themselves?
No, they took heroin and screwed loads of groupies instead.
No....they are COOL and have kids of their own and know what is
acceptable unlike the ***** PACK who will push things to the limit *if*
we let them.
Thanks to Avril Levigne, Mandy Moore et al, for keeping clothed, having
self respect and not going the cheap route.
I have to go out and get some tampons and a butcher knife now....
later,
Mommadamus
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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06 Feb 2004 05:29:47 PM |
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"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message news:12883-4023D195-382@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
tw wrote:
Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
Yeah, you should stay away from me.
You don't seem to understand this, but there are certain things that
young children should not be subjected to.
When you and your family sit down for some family viewing, that is what
you are supposed to get. We have cable networks reserved for
"titillating" sexual content.
You do have family oriented Tv viewing over there, don't you?
Now Janet did not expose her breast, Justin Timberlake ripped her top
off exposing it. He had sang that he would have her naked before the end
of the song. I guess we should have believed him? Both were in on it and
they betrayed the trust that we had in them.
I have no problem with Janet's breast but there is a time and place for
everything.
Children are being exposed to things more and more from the music video
era and it when the performers practically screw each other on stage
with the little bit of clothes they do have on then this sends the wrong
message to kids.
Our kids innocence needs to be protected. We have lived through the RAT
PACK and the BRAT PACK with no problem, but this new generation which
I'm naming the ***** PACK who have no children of their own are going to
learn that we will not tolerate the compromising of the innocence of
children.
Did Steve Tyler and Aerosmith drop their pants or expose themselves?
No....they are COOL and have kids of their own and know what is
acceptable unlike the ***** PACK who will push things to the limit *if*
we let them.
Thanks to Avril Levigne, Mandy Moore et al, for keeping clothed, having
self respect and not going the cheap route.
I have to go out and get some tampons and a butcher knife now....
later,
Mommadamus
I shouldn't get involved but I can't help myself...
Where appropriate, take "you" and derivatives to mean society.
So, there's murder and violence all over your screens but Janet's boob
alone is drawing down the collapse of civilisation? This is what you
get for being founded by puritans. You ought to get a grip and figure
what's *really* important for your kids... because it kinda sounds
like it's okay to send them off to heaven with a bullet in the brain
as long as that brain hasn't been exposed to secondary sexual
characteristics. How about classical statues and paintings, 18+?
Do you recall the probe sent out of the solar system some years back
that contained recordings and pictures including an engraving of a
naked man and woman? I remember fuss in the US about sending
pornography into space at the taxpayer's expense. LOL I can just
imagine aliens screeching in horror and scrambling to cover the feet.
Standards of decency are almost entirely arbitrary and remarkably
silly when examined closely.
Kids. If you make a fuss then you'll make it exciting; you'll fire
their natural curiosity. Boys I knew preferred to meet girls from the
convent for just that reason. Ultimately it's your society to do with
as you please but I'm bound to point out that these attitudes will
often have the opposite effect from that which you intend. Kids will
spot the cognitive dissonance from miles away. Worst of all, they have
a sixth sense for parental embarrassment. In short, make a big deal
and it becomes a big deal… surely the hottest topic in the schoolyard.
Ignore it and… ho-hum. Assuming it was intentional, then you were
played for the reaction you gave it.
-A
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07 Feb 2004 05:41:40 AM |
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"Absolute Zero" <AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie> wrote in message news:ad960a96.0402061529.1420c6be@posting.google.com...
[...]
Addendum:
I was prompted by an article to download a clip and ask the following.
If this moral breast-beating is about the kids, how is it that Janet's
exposure (nice ring btw) is threatening to children's innocence
whereas the energetically choreographed and simulated rear-entry sex
barely makes mention? Do you suppose that kids are oblivious to that?
Would there have been ~200,000 complaints to the FCC without the
physical display? No, it's just a convenient hook on which to hang
accumulated parental panic. Much of which, I'm guessing, is informed
by the warped memories of their own adolescence. The incongruity of
all this fuss in a country where porn is a massive industry is
downright quaint.
-A
I shouldn't get involved but I can't help myself...
Where appropriate, take "you" and derivatives to mean society.
So, there's murder and violence all over your screens but Janet's boob
alone is drawing down the collapse of civilisation? This is what you
get for being founded by puritans. You ought to get a grip and figure
what's *really* important for your kids... because it kinda sounds
like it's okay to send them off to heaven with a bullet in the brain
as long as that brain hasn't been exposed to secondary sexual
characteristics. How about classical statues and paintings, 18+?
Do you recall the probe sent out of the solar system some years back
that contained recordings and pictures including an engraving of a
naked man and woman? I remember fuss in the US about sending
pornography into space at the taxpayer's expense. LOL I can just
imagine aliens screeching in horror and scrambling to cover the feet.
Standards of decency are almost entirely arbitrary and remarkably
silly when examined closely.
Kids. If you make a fuss then you'll make it exciting; you'll fire
their natural curiosity. Boys I knew preferred to meet girls from the
convent for just that reason. Ultimately it's your society to do with
as you please but I'm bound to point out that these attitudes will
often have the opposite effect from that which you intend. Kids will
spot the cognitive dissonance from miles away. Worst of all, they have
a sixth sense for parental embarrassment. In short, make a big deal
and it becomes a big deal. surely the hottest topic in the schoolyard.
Ignore it and. ho-hum. Assuming it was intentional, then you were
played for the reaction you gave it.
-A
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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08 Feb 2004 01:59:17 AM |
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(Absolute Zero) Spat the Words
"Absolute Zero" < > wrote in message
news:ad960a96.0402061529.1420c6be@posting.google.com...
[...]
Addendum:
I was prompted by an article to download a clip and ask the following.
If this moral breast-beating is about the kids, how is it that Janet's
exposure (nice ring btw) is threatening to children's innocence
whereas the energetically choreographed and simulated rear-entry sex
barely makes mention? Do you suppose that kids are oblivious to that?
Would there have been ~200,000 complaints to the FCC without the
physical display? No, it's just a convenient hook on which to hang
accumulated parental panic. Much of which, I'm guessing, is informed
by the warped memories of their own adolescence. The incongruity of
all this fuss in a country where porn is a massive industry is
downright quaint.
Can't argue with that. Still, I see susan's point. If it sends
the wrong message to young boys, and they start acosting young
girls, then we're going to fight it.
-A
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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08 Feb 2004 07:57:09 AM |
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In article <Xns9489A0E27CF9rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77>, "R. Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie (Absolute Zero) Spat the Words
"Absolute Zero" <AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:ad960a96.0402061529.1420c6be@posting.google.com...
[...]
Addendum:
I was prompted by an article to download a clip and ask the following.
If this moral breast-beating is about the kids, how is it that Janet's
exposure (nice ring btw) is threatening to children's innocence
whereas the energetically choreographed and simulated rear-entry sex
barely makes mention? Do you suppose that kids are oblivious to that?
Would there have been ~200,000 complaints to the FCC without the
physical display? No, it's just a convenient hook on which to hang
accumulated parental panic. Much of which, I'm guessing, is informed
by the warped memories of their own adolescence. The incongruity of
all this fuss in a country where porn is a massive industry is
downright quaint.
Can't argue with that. Still, I see susan's point. If it sends
the wrong message to young boys, and they start acosting young
girls, then we're going to fight it.
How about ceasing to teach little girls that being passive is "feminine", so
they can fight it for themselves?
Woods
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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08 Feb 2004 01:34:51 PM |
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(Woodswun) Spat the Words
In article <Xns9489A0E27CF9rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.148.227.77>, "R.
Foreman" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie (Absolute Zero) Spat the Words
"Absolute Zero" <AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:ad960a96.0402061529.1420c6be@posting.google.com...
[...]
Addendum:
I was prompted by an article to download a clip and ask the
following. If this moral breast-beating is about the kids, how is it
that Janet's exposure (nice ring btw) is threatening to children's
innocence whereas the energetically choreographed and simulated
rear-entry sex barely makes mention? Do you suppose that kids are
oblivious to that? Would there have been ~200,000 complaints to the
FCC without the physical display? No, it's just a convenient hook on
which to hang accumulated parental panic. Much of which, I'm
guessing, is informed by the warped memories of their own
adolescence. The incongruity of all this fuss in a country where
porn is a massive industry is downright quaint.
Can't argue with that. Still, I see susan's point. If it sends
the wrong message to young boys, and they start acosting young
girls, then we're going to fight it.
How about ceasing to teach little girls that being passive is
"feminine", so they can fight it for themselves?
Hadn't thought of that one. I was thinking of the young girl
who recently was cornered in a bathroom by two or three boys.
Not sure if she could fight her way out of that, or if they
would allow her to leave.
Woods
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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07 Feb 2004 10:29:42 AM |
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Amy wrote:
I was prompted by an article to download
a clip and ask the following. If this moral
breast-beating is about the kids, how is
it that Janet's exposure (nice ring btw) is
threatening to children's innocence
whereas the energetically
choreographed and simulated rear-entry
sex barely makes mention?
I believe my previous statement "Practically screwing through their
clothes on the stage" addresses that, does it not?
Do you suppose that kids are oblivious to
that? Would there have been ~200,000
complaints to the FCC without the
physical display? No, it's just a
convenient hook on which to hang
accumulated parental panic.
I am not in a panic over this topic as much as you may think. It does
set me in a panic knowing that my kids will probably never be aloud to
walk home from a school in our own backyard because of all the sick
perverted people on the loose.
Much of which, I'm guessing, is informed
by the
warped memories of their own
adolescence. The incongruity of all this
fuss in a country where porn is a
massive industry is downright quaint.
And in a country where some refuse to let it get to our children.
Read below and I'l show you what warps adolescensce memories...
Swedish child porn bust:
http://www.qlinks.net/quicklinks/childpornse.htm
The TT news agency said the material entailed hard pornography such as
oral, vaginal and anal sex with children. Forslund said the
investigation continued and more arrests on charges of spreading child
pornography, a crime which under Swedish law can lead to prison
sentences of up to four years, were likely.
[Only *up to* 4 years maximum? Jeezus!]
Big business in Yerp too!
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C48677%2C00.html
Besides Britain, the countries involved were Australia, Belgium, Canada,
France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, the
Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan,
Turkey and the United States.
You raise your kids your way......I will raise mine MY WAY! We can check
back in when they are grown and see who's are screwed up.
Okay?
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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07 Feb 2004 05:14:54 PM |
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"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message news:3272-40251276-21@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
Amy wrote:
I was prompted by an article to download
a clip and ask the following. If this moral
breast-beating is about the kids, how is
it that Janet's exposure (nice ring btw) is
threatening to children's innocence
whereas the energetically
choreographed and simulated rear-entry
sex barely makes mention?
I believe my previous statement "Practically screwing through their
clothes on the stage" addresses that, does it not?
Not quite, my point was in the next two sentences.
Do you suppose that kids are oblivious to
that? Would there have been ~200,000
complaints to the FCC without the
physical display? No, it's just a
convenient hook on which to hang
accumulated parental panic.
I am not in a panic over this topic as much as you may think.
Sure *seems* like you're getting over-aerated about it.
It does
set me in a panic knowing that my kids will probably never be aloud to
walk home from a school in our own backyard because of all the sick
perverted people on the loose.
So why is that in a country where the *vast* majority sympathise with
your view... you have far greater problems with teenage pregnancy,
STD's etc than countries whose permissive attitudes, by your
reckoning, would make the problem worse?
Explain that to me and/or yourself.
Much of which, I'm guessing, is informed
by the
warped memories of their own
adolescence. The incongruity of all this
fuss in a country where porn is a
massive industry is downright quaint.
And in a country where some refuse to let it get to our children.
I seriously wonder how possible that is.
Read below and I'l show you what warps adolescensce memories...
Swedish child porn bust:
http://www.qlinks.net/quicklinks/childpornse.htm
I fail to see what this has to do with the current US freak-out?
The TT news agency said the material entailed hard pornography such as
oral, vaginal and anal sex with children. Forslund said the
investigation continued and more arrests on charges of spreading child
pornography, a crime which under Swedish law can lead to prison
sentences of up to four years, were likely.
[Only *up to* 4 years maximum? Jeezus!]
I don't get to set the sentences in Sweden, that's their business.
Big business in Yerp too!
Big business everywhere, the US however, produces and consumes more
the rest of the world put together... easily.
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C48677%2C00.html
Besides Britain, the countries involved were Australia, Belgium, Canada,
France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, the
Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan,
Turkey and the United States.
You raise your kids your way......I will raise mine MY WAY! We can check
back in when they are grown and see who's are screwed up.
Okay?
Sure, I said straight off that it's your society to do with as you
please.
You should know that one of my four is American by birth and passport.
-A
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08 Feb 2004 01:56:23 AM |
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(Absolute Zero) Spat the Words
"sUSAn B Anthony" <tugbertswife@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12883-4023D195-382@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
tw wrote:
Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
Yeah, you should stay away from me.
You don't seem to understand this, but there are certain things that
young children should not be subjected to.
When you and your family sit down for some family viewing, that is
what you are supposed to get. We have cable networks reserved for
"titillating" sexual content.
You do have family oriented Tv viewing over there, don't you?
Now Janet did not expose her breast, Justin Timberlake ripped her top
off exposing it. He had sang that he would have her naked before the
end of the song. I guess we should have believed him? Both were in on
it and they betrayed the trust that we had in them.
I have no problem with Janet's breast but there is a time and place
for everything.
Children are being exposed to things more and more from the music
video era and it when the performers practically screw each other on
stage with the little bit of clothes they do have on then this sends
the wrong message to kids.
Our kids innocence needs to be protected. We have lived through the
RAT PACK and the BRAT PACK with no problem, but this new generation
which I'm naming the ***** PACK who have no children of their own are
going to learn that we will not tolerate the compromising of the
innocence of children.
Did Steve Tyler and Aerosmith drop their pants or expose themselves?
No....they are COOL and have kids of their own and know what is
acceptable unlike the ***** PACK who will push things to the limit
*if* we let them.
Thanks to Avril Levigne, Mandy Moore et al, for keeping clothed,
having self respect and not going the cheap route.
I have to go out and get some tampons and a butcher knife now....
later,
Mommadamus
I shouldn't get involved but I can't help myself...
Where appropriate, take "you" and derivatives to mean society.
So, there's murder and violence all over your screens but Janet's boob
alone is drawing down the collapse of civilisation? This is what you
get for being founded by puritans. You ought to get a grip and figure
what's *really* important for your kids... because it kinda sounds
like it's okay to send them off to heaven with a bullet in the brain
as long as that brain hasn't been exposed to secondary sexual
characteristics. How about classical statues and paintings, 18+?
Do you recall the probe sent out of the solar system some years back
that contained recordings and pictures including an engraving of a
naked man and woman? I remember fuss in the US about sending
pornography into space at the taxpayer's expense. LOL I can just
imagine aliens screeching in horror and scrambling to cover the feet.
Standards of decency are almost entirely arbitrary and remarkably
silly when examined closely.
Also arbitrary and remarkably silly at times are peoples reactions
to different visual and other sensual stimuli in different
contexts.
I guess we'll be rid of this mess when we stop having emotions.
Kids. If you make a fuss then you'll make it exciting; you'll fire
their natural curiosity. Boys I knew preferred to meet girls from the
convent for just that reason. Ultimately it's your society to do with
as you please but I'm bound to point out that these attitudes will
often have the opposite effect from that which you intend. Kids will
spot the cognitive dissonance from miles away. Worst of all, they have
a sixth sense for parental embarrassment. In short, make a big deal
and it becomes a big deal… surely the hottest topic in the schoolyard.
Ignore it and… ho-hum. Assuming it was intentional, then you were
played for the reaction you gave it.
-A
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07 Feb 2004 11:14:09 AM |
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(Absolute Zero) wrote in message news:<ad960a96.0402061529.1420c6be@posting.google.com>...
I shouldn't get involved but I can't help myself...
I know the feeling ...
So, there's murder and violence all over your screens but Janet's boob
alone is drawing down the collapse of civilisation? This is what you
get for being founded by puritans. You ought to get a grip and figure
what's *really* important for your kids...
So you defend a man's right to grab a woman's breast and rip off her
top?
because it kinda sounds like it's okay to send them off to heaven
with a bullet in the brain as long as that brain hasn't been
exposed to secondary sexual characteristics.
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain under ANY circumstances? (Islamic terrorists excepted).
Standards of decency are almost entirely arbitrary and remarkably
silly when examined closely.
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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07 Feb 2004 05:10:50 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:a2b35e99.0402070914.3e9761f3@posting.google.com...
AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie (Absolute Zero) wrote in message news:<ad960a96.0402061529.1420c6be@posting.google.com>...
I shouldn't get involved but I can't help myself...
I know the feeling ...
So, there's murder and violence all over your screens but Janet's boob
alone is drawing down the collapse of civilisation? This is what you
get for being founded by puritans. You ought to get a grip and figure
what's *really* important for your kids...
So you defend a man's right to grab a woman's breast and rip off her
top?
Tendentious and spurious. She admitted it was planned. Are you a
lawyer?
because it kinda sounds like it's okay to send them off to heaven
with a bullet in the brain as long as that brain hasn't been
exposed to secondary sexual characteristics.
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain under ANY circumstances? (Islamic terrorists excepted).
How many under the age of 18 die each year from firearms?
Why doesn't that generate a fraction of the heat raised by
"tittygate"?
Why aren't hundreds of thousands protesting to the FCC about violence
on your screens?
Standards of decency are almost entirely arbitrary and remarkably
silly when examined closely.
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
Seems reasonable to me, what's your point?
-A
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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07 Feb 2004 01:35:12 PM |
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In article <a2b35e99.0402070914.3e9761f3@posting.google.com>, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie (Absolute Zero) wrote in message
news:<ad960a96.0402061529.1420c6be@posting.google.com>...
I shouldn't get involved but I can't help myself...
I know the feeling ...
So, there's murder and violence all over your screens but Janet's boob
alone is drawing down the collapse of civilisation? This is what you
get for being founded by puritans. You ought to get a grip and figure
what's *really* important for your kids...
So you defend a man's right to grab a woman's breast and rip off her
top?
because it kinda sounds like it's okay to send them off to heaven
with a bullet in the brain as long as that brain hasn't been
exposed to secondary sexual characteristics.
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain under ANY circumstances? (Islamic terrorists excepted).
Standards of decency are almost entirely arbitrary and remarkably
silly when examined closely.
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
Anyone grabbing *anyone* else is out of line - has nothing to do with what was
grabbed or ended up being displayed.
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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07 Feb 2004 05:14:26 PM |
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(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<Q5bVb.3514$um1.3244@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
In article <a2b35e99.0402070914.3e9761f3@posting.google.com>,
dsteven@flashmail.com (Steven Douglas) wrote:
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
Anyone grabbing *anyone* else is out of line - has nothing to do with
what was grabbed or ended up being displayed.
So, as long as he doesn't grab her breast while he's doing it (because
that would be out of line), you condone the portrayal of a man
aggressively ripping a woman's clothing from her body?
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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07 Feb 2004 05:35:54 PM |
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In article <a2b35e99.0402071514.3ad052f2@posting.google.com>, (Steven Douglas) wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message
news:<Q5bVb.3514$um1.3244@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
In article <a2b35e99.0402070914.3e9761f3@posting.google.com>,
(Steven Douglas) wrote:
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
Anyone grabbing *anyone* else is out of line - has nothing to do with
what was grabbed or ended up being displayed.
So, as long as he doesn't grab her breast while he's doing it (because
that would be out of line), you condone the portrayal of a man
aggressively ripping a woman's clothing from her body?
Better reread what I wrote, you sure as heck didn't read it before you
responded!
Woods
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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07 Feb 2004 06:02:43 PM |
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(Absolute Zero) wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
So you defend a man's right to grab a woman's breast and rip off her
top?
Tendentious and spurious. She admitted it was planned.
That it was planned is irrelevant to the message they sent with their
act.
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain under ANY circumstances? (Islamic terrorists excepted).
How many under the age of 18 die each year from firearms?
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain?
Why doesn't that generate a fraction of the heat raised by
"tittygate"?
Don't worry, there are plenty of people in the US on each sides of
both issues.
Why aren't hundreds of thousands protesting to the FCC about violence
on your screens?
In case you weren't aware, there is a constant tug-of-war going on in
the US on a lot of subjects. Did you know that some people here love
President Bush, and others here hate him?
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
Seems reasonable to me, what's your point?
What seems reasonable to you IS my point.
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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08 Feb 2004 08:09:56 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:a2b35e99.0402071602.7e15c563@posting.google.com...
AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie (Absolute Zero) wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
So you defend a man's right to grab a woman's breast and rip off her
top?
Tendentious and spurious. She admitted it was planned.
That it was planned is irrelevant to the message they sent with their
act.
Ah, so I didn't "defend a man's right to grab a woman's breast and rip
off her top" - As if that were the slightest bit likely.
You've snipped it away so i'll ask again... are you a lawyer?
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain under ANY circumstances? (Islamic terrorists excepted).
How many under the age of 18 die each year from firearms?
Well?
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain?
Perhaps I was too subtle for you... collective responsibility by your
choices.
Why doesn't that generate a fraction of the heat raised by
"tittygate"?
Don't worry, there are plenty of people in the US on each sides of
both issues.
That's no answer. You're far more exercised by shallow prissy
appearance than body counts. Just like the original Victorians.
Why aren't hundreds of thousands protesting to the FCC about violence
on your screens?
In case you weren't aware, there is a constant tug-of-war going on in
the US on a lot of subjects.
Is that supposed to be some kind of an answer?
This group floats atop self-obsessed US navel gazing... do a quick
survey of the last hundred or so threads and see if you can see the
Frenchman for the trees. Even Tony's international agitprop reports
are merely selected for fear and hatred value. There's something
curiously odd about a society that goes into an apoplectic frenzy over
a popped boob yet is blind to murder and mayhem on the scale of 10
WTC's per annum. Forget for a second how it happened, imagine that it
was totally accidental, "a wardrobe failure" - how different then the
reaction? Not much I suspect, millions of parents would still have
turned crimson.
Did you know that some people here love
President Bush, and others here hate him?
Really? <looks shocked>
I hope he's not as dumb as he seems... and I don't much like his
neocon cohorts.
I note though that he had the good sense to *claim* to have slept
through the debacle.
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
Seems reasonable to me, what's your point?
What seems reasonable to you IS my point.
That I openly agreed with you IS your point? How strange.
-A
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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08 Feb 2004 01:32:25 PM |
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(Absolute Zero) wrote in message news:<ad960a96.0402080609.1c0cbdc2@posting.google.com>...
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
(Absolute Zero) wrote:
How many under the age of 18 die each year from firearms?
The vast majority of childhood firearm deaths are aged 15 or older,
and most of those are gang and drug related. For ages 14 and under,
the firearm death rate is far lower than auto accidents or drownings.
Who says it's okay to send kids off to heaven with a bullet in the
brain?
Perhaps I was too subtle for you... collective responsibility by your
choices.
And, because of vigilant work by many in our society (including gun
control & gun safety and awareness), the firearm death rate continues
to decline.
Why doesn't that generate a fraction of the heat raised by
"tittygate"?
Don't worry, there are plenty of people in the US on each sides of
both issues.
That's no answer. You're far more exercised by shallow prissy
appearance than body counts. Just like the original Victorians.
Not true, as I described above -- there are plenty of people working
on both issues.
Why aren't hundreds of thousands protesting to the FCC about violence
on your screens?
In case you weren't aware, there is a constant tug-of-war going on in
the US on a lot of subjects.
Is that supposed to be some kind of an answer?
Yes, it IS an answer. Just because you don't hear a large outcry (as
you have for a Super Bowl related event), that doesn't mean a constant
outcry against violent entertainment doesn't exist. It does exist.
There's something curiously odd about a society that goes into an
apoplectic frenzy over a popped boob yet is blind to murder and
mayhem on the scale of 10 WTC's per annum. Forget for a second how
it happened, imagine that it was totally accidental, "a wardrobe failure"
- how different then the reaction? Not much I suspect, millions
of parents would still have turned crimson.
A breast accidentally popping out of a costume would have been viewed
far differently ... the problem was not simply an exposed breast
(although you and others have tried to make it that), it was a partial
disrobing of a woman ... by a man, who sang "I will have you naked by
the end of this song."
I think a standard of decency that prohibits a man from grabbing a
woman's breast and ripping off her top is an excellent standard of
decency. How about you?
Seems reasonable to me, what's your point?
What seems reasonable to you IS my point.
That I openly agreed with you IS your point? How strange.
I said *what* seems reasonable to you is my point. Exactly *what* did
I write that seemed reasonable to you??? Read it again, because that
was my point.
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06 Feb 2004 07:58:45 PM |
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(sUSAn B Anthony) wrote in message news:<12883-4023D195-382@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net>...
tw wrote:
Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
Yeah, you should stay away from me.
You don't seem to understand this, but there are certain things that
young children should not be subjected to.
When you and your family sit down for some family viewing, that is what
you are supposed to get. We have cable networks reserved for
"titillating" sexual content.
You do have family oriented Tv viewing over there, don't you?
Now Janet did not expose her breast, Justin Timberlake ripped her top
off exposing it. He had sang that he would have her naked before the end
of the song. I guess we should have believed him? Both were in on it and
they betrayed the trust that we had in them.
I have no problem with Janet's breast but there is a time and place for
everything.
Children are being exposed to things more and more from the music video
era and it when the performers practically screw each other on stage
with the little bit of clothes they do have on then this sends the wrong
message to kids.
Our kids innocence needs to be protected. We have lived through the RAT
PACK and the BRAT PACK with no problem, but this new generation which
I'm naming the ***** PACK who have no children of their own are going to
learn that we will not tolerate the compromising of the innocence of
children.
Did Steve Tyler and Aerosmith drop their pants or expose themselves?
No....they are COOL and have kids of their own and know what is
acceptable unlike the ***** PACK who will push things to the limit *if*
we let them.
Thanks to Avril Levigne, Mandy Moore et al, for keeping clothed, having
self respect and not going the cheap route.
I have to go out and get some tampons and a butcher knife now....
later,
Mommadamus
So, I wonder how many "apn parents" let their kids read their posts? ;)
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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06 Feb 2004 09:38:30 PM |
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jha_amin wrote:
So, I wonder how many "apn parents" let
their kids read their posts? ;)
If my mommy ever finds out that I post here.....I'm in BIG TROUBLE!
My husband has seen bits and pieces of apn before and he saw
"sweetykins" references a few times too many so now he teases me about
it.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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06 Feb 2004 05:02:50 PM |
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In article <12883-4023D195-382@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net>, (sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
tw wrote:
Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
Yeah, you should stay away from me.
You don't seem to understand this, but there are certain things that
young children should not be subjected to.
When you and your family sit down for some family viewing, that is what
you are supposed to get. We have cable networks reserved for
"titillating" sexual content.
You do have family oriented Tv viewing over there, don't you?
Now Janet did not expose her breast, Justin Timberlake ripped her top
off exposing it. He had sang that he would have her naked before the end
of the song. I guess we should have believed him? Both were in on it and
they betrayed the trust that we had in them.
Okay, I can see your point with that. Perhaps he should be arrested for
assault.
Woods
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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06 Feb 2004 09:03:54 PM |
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Woods wrote:
Okay, I can see your point with that.
No, you missed it, I'm afraid.
Perhaps he should be arrested for
assault.
No. But when an 11 year old goes to school next week and rips off little
Betsy's top like he saw at the superbowl, he most likely *will* be
arrested.
There were some middle school kids here in Florida who were caught at
school bribing girls with candy to get them to show their breast so they
could videotape them.
"Middle School Girls Gone Wild" was confiscated by the police and won't
be aired.
Do you think that's too prudish of them?
Woods
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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07 Feb 2004 07:25:26 AM |
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In article <12883-4024559A-440@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net>, (sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
Woods wrote:
Okay, I can see your point with that.
No, you missed it, I'm afraid.
Perhaps he should be arrested for
assault.
No. But when an 11 year old goes to school next week and rips off little
Betsy's top like he saw at the superbowl, he most likely *will* be
arrested.
There were some middle school kids here in Florida who were caught at
school bribing girls with candy to get them to show their breast so they
could videotape them.
"Middle School Girls Gone Wild" was confiscated by the police and won't
be aired.
Do you think that's too prudish of them?
I think you miss my point - there is something wrong with our culture if a
woman's breast is seen as sexually titillating while at the same time there's no
such connotation with a man's breast. The only reason this is so is because
people insist on keeping them covered up at all times if they happen to be on a
female, but not on a male. This kind of attitude has led to all sorts of
problems with women who breastfeed their infants in public - strange, don't you
think, that it's not okay to use a breast for what its intended purposes is
because people think it's real purpose is to excite the male? (Which doesn't
occur in cultures who don't keep them covered up).
That said, we've obviously got a ways to go, and those middle school girls sound
dumb enough to be in a Special Class.
Woods
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08 Feb 2004 01:51:59 AM |
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(Woodswun) Spat the Words
"Middle School Girls Gone Wild" was confiscated by the police and
won't be aired.
Do you think that's too prudish of them?
I think you miss my point - there is something wrong with our culture
if a woman's breast is seen as sexually titillating while at the same
time there's no such connotation with a man's breast. The only reason
this is so is because people insist on keeping them covered up at all
times if they happen to be on a female, but not on a male.
We determine what's acceptable in our society and I'm certain, as a
man, that a woman's breast does arouse me.
This kind
of attitude has led to all sorts of problems with women who breastfeed
their infants in public - strange, don't you think, that it's not okay
to use a breast for what its intended purposes is because people think
it's real purpose is to excite the male? (Which doesn't occur in
cultures who don't keep them covered up).
When I've seen women breast-feeding in public, my thoughts are
different on this. Women with children are not a sexual context
at all, and I think breast-feeding in public should be allowed.
I guess it has to do with the context of a woman baring her
breast.
That said, we've obviously got a ways to go, and those middle school
girls sound dumb enough to be in a Special Class.
Woods
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07 Feb 2004 01:29:42 AM |
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh KINKAMUNDO :=)
Otherwise poor ol' Uncle Wally is speechless ;-)
Probably better that way ;-)
he he he ;-)
Uncle Wally
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tugbertswife@webtv.net (sUSAn B Anthony) wrote in message news:<12883-4023D195-382@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net>...
tw wrote:
Yes......I am serious.
Good god..
Now ***** you pervert!
Menstruating, dear?
Yeah, you should stay away from me.
You don't seem to understand this, but there are certain things that
young children should not be subjected to.
When you and your family sit down for some family viewing, that is what
you are supposed to get. We have cable networks reserved for
"titillating" sexual content.
You do have family oriented Tv viewing over there, don't you?
Now Janet did not expose her breast, Justin Timberlake ripped her top
off exposing it. He had sang that he would have her naked before the end
of the song. I guess we should have believed him? Both were in on it and
they betrayed the trust that we had in them.
I have no problem with Janet's breast but there is a time and place for
everything.
Children are being exposed to things more and more from the music video
era and it when the performers practically screw each other on stage
with the little bit of clothes they do have on then this sends the wrong
message to kids.
Our kids innocence needs to be protected. We have lived through the RAT
PACK and the BRAT PACK with no problem, but this new generation which
I'm naming the ***** PACK who have no children of their own are going to
learn that we will not tolerate the compromising of the innocence of
children.
Did Steve Tyler and Aerosmith drop their pants or expose themselves?
No....they are COOL and have kids of their own and know what is
acceptable unlike the ***** PACK who will push things to the limit *if*
we let them.
Thanks to Avril Levigne, Mandy Moore et al, for keeping clothed, having
self respect and not going the cheap route.
I have to go out and get some tampons and a butcher knife now....
later,
Mommadamus
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