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User:	"Gilmo"
Date:	08 Aug 2006 05:19:35 PM
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Here on qc.politique we have recently inherited a 'gentleman'
who was on you forum for "a while" and now claims that
most of you here are anti semitics and badly bruised in the head
because you never understood one word he mentionned here !
Should you miss Jean Guernon you are welcome to come
and reach him on our forum where you could beg him to
return to you a.s.a.p. !
*http://tinyurl.com/ovklt
*Bonne chance !
!!
Gilmo*
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Here on qc.politique we have recently inherited a 'gentleman' 
who was on you forum for "a while" and now claims that 
most of you here are anti semitics and badly bruised in the head 
because you never understood one word he mentionned here ! 
 
Should you miss Jean Guernon you are welcome to come 
and reach him on our forum where you could beg him to 
return to you a.s.a.p. ! 
 
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/ovklt">http://tinyurl.com/ovklt</a> 
 
Bonne chance ! 
 
!! 
 
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User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?="
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 11:44:08 AM

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Here on qc.politique we have recently inherited a 'gentleman'
who was on you forum for "a while" and now claims that
most of you here are anti semitics and badly bruised in the head
because you never understood one word he mentionned here !

Should you miss Jean Guernon you are welcome to come
and reach him on our forum where you could beg him to
return to you a.s.a.p. !

*http://tinyurl.com/ovklt

*Bonne chance !

!!

Gilmo*
*

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.
.

User: "Gilmo"
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 01:26:16 PM

Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !
But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?
.

User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?="
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 01:53:29 PM

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !

But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?

He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: To all users	12 Aug 2006 02:27:18 AM

"Styrbjörn" <tribe@war.soon> a écrit dans le message de news:
JaqCg.12423$E02.4623@newsb.telia.net...

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !

But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?

He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed anyway.
But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If Guernon is for
Israel, I'm for Guernon.

Thanks Styrbjörn for your support. :-)
And just to be clear about what he said, I am not homosexual of course.
Wonder if he posts things that are not lies sometimes.
And as far as Nosty is concerned, well I beg to differ. But let's leave it
at that for now.
J.
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User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?="
Title: Re: To all users	12 Aug 2006 04:00:56 AM

Jean Guernon wrote / skrev:

"Styrbjörn" <tribe@war.soon> a écrit dans le message de news:
JaqCg.12423$E02.4623@newsb.telia.net...

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !

But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?

He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed anyway.
But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If Guernon is for
Israel, I'm for Guernon.

Thanks Styrbjörn for your support. :-)

And just to be clear about what he said, I am not homosexual of course.
Wonder if he posts things that are not lies sometimes.

And as far as Nosty is concerned, well I beg to differ. But let's leave it
at that for now.

J.

Oh, that is just for teasing Claude. ;-)
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User: "Gilmo"
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 03:52:21 PM

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Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !

But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?

He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.

*Toi et Guernon ? Ça fait des jeux Nazi, s'pas ?
Est ce que NostraDamas a mentionné combien de femmes et enfants
seraient sauvagement massacrés par les juiffes d'israel en 2006 ?
Jusse pour savouar !
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Styrbjörn a écrit :
<blockquote cite="midJaqCg.12423$E02.4623@newsb.telia.net" type="cite">Gilmo
wrote / skrev:
 
 
<blockquote type="cite">Styrbjörn a écrit :
 
 
<blockquote type="cite">Gilmo wrote / skrev:
 
 
<blockquote type="cite"> 
 
Here on qc.politique we have recently inherited a 'gentleman'
 
who was on you forum for "a while" and now claims that
 
most of you here are anti semitics and badly bruised in the head
 
because you never understood one word he mentionned here !
 
 
Should you miss Jean Guernon you are welcome to come
 
and reach him on our forum where you could beg him to
 
return to you a.s.a.p. !
 
 
*<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/ovklt">http://tinyurl.com/ovklt</a>
 
 
*Bonne chance !
 
 
!!
 
 
Gilmo*
 
*
 
</blockquote>
 
 
And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.
 
</blockquote>
 
 
Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
 
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
 
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation  !
 
 
But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
 
here last week. Was it any good ?
 
 
 
</blockquote>
 
He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.
 
</blockquote>
 
Toi et Guernon ?  Ça fait des jeux Nazi, s'pas ? 
 
Est ce que NostraDamas a mentionné combien de femmes et enfants 
seraient sauvagement massacrés par les juiffes d'israel en 2006 ? 
 
Jusse pour savouar ! 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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User: "Jane"
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 06:34:53 PM

Gilmo wrote:

Styrbj=F6rn a =E9crit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Styrbj=F6rn a =E9crit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !

But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?

He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.

*Toi et Guernon ? =C7a fait des jeux Nazi, s'pas ?

Est ce que NostraDamas a mentionn=E9 combien de femmes et enfants
seraient sauvagement massacr=E9s par les juiffes d'israel en 2006 ?

Jusse pour savouar !
*

Hezbollah started the war. They use civilians as human shields.
Israel, on the other hand, provides its citizens with bomb shelters.
If Israel wanted to, they could wipe Lebanon off the map. However,
their aim is to take out Hezbollah with as few civilian casualities as
possible.
It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!
Jane

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">Gilmo

wrote / skrev:
 
 
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Styrbjörn a écrit :
 
 
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Gilmo wrote / skrev:
 
 
<blockquote type=3D"cite"> 
 
Here on qc.politique we have recently inherited a 'gentleman'
 
who was on you forum for "a while" and now claims that
 
most of you here are anti semitics and badly bruised in the head
 
because you never understood one word he mentionned here !
 
 
Should you miss Jean Guernon you are welcome to come
 
and reach him on our forum where you could beg him to
 
return to you a.s.a.p. !
 
 
*<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/ovklt">htt=

p://tinyurl.com/ovklt</a>

*Bonne chance !
 
 
!!
 
 
Gilmo*
 
*
 
</blockquote>
 
 
And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.
 
</blockquote>
 
 
Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
 
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
 
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation  !
 
 
But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
 
here last week. Was it any good ?
 
 
 
</blockquote>
 
He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.
 
</blockquote>
 
Toi et Guernon ?  Ça fait des jeux Nazi, s'pas ? 
 
Est ce que NostraDamas a mentionné combien de femmes et enfants 
seraient sauvagement massacrés par les juiffes d'israel en 2006 ?<=

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User: "Perseid"
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 07:37:15 PM

"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> Spat the Words

Gilmo wrote:

Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Styrbjörn a écrit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !

But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?

He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.

Israel is now saying they believe they are facing a division
of Iranian regulars. Talk about invading Lebanon... what the hell
are the Iranians doing there with a division of soldiers ?

It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!

Jane

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Styrbjörn a écrit :
<blockquote cite="midJaqCg.12423$E02.4623@newsb.telia.net" type="cite

">Gilmo

wrote / skrev:
 
 
<blockquote type="cite">Styrbjörn a écrit :
 
 
<blockquote type="cite">Gilmo wrote / skrev:
 
 
<blockquote type="cite"> 
 
Here on qc.politique we have recently inherited a 'gentleman'
 
who was on you forum for "a while" and now claims that
 
most of you here are anti semitics and badly bruised in the head
 
because you never understood one word he mentionned here !
 
 
Should you miss Jean Guernon you are welcome to come
 
and reach him on our forum where you could beg him to
 
return to you a.s.a.p. !
 
 
*<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/ovklt">htt

p://tinyurl.com/ovklt</a>

*Bonne chance !
 
 
!!
 
 
Gilmo*
 
*
 
</blockquote>
 
 
And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.
 
</blockquote>
 
 
Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
 
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
 
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation  !
 
 
But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
 
here last week. Was it any good ?
 
 
 
</blockquote>
 
He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.
 
</blockquote>
 
Toi et Guernon ?  Ça fait des jeux Nazi, s'pas ? 
 
Est ce que NostraDamas a mentionné combien de femmes et enfants

seraient sauvagement massacrés par les juiffes d'israel en 2006

br>

Jusse pour savouar ! 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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User: "Gilmo"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 06:45:48 AM

Perseid a écrit :

Israel is now saying they believe they are facing a division
of Iranian regulars. Talk about invading Lebanon... what the hell
are the Iranians doing there with a division of soldiers ?

Propaganda is cheap... whatever is the price !
.

User: "Perseid"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 07:15:26 AM

Gilmo <g_morisset@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words

Perseid a écrit :

Israel is now saying they believe they are facing a division
of Iranian regulars. Talk about invading Lebanon... what the hell
are the Iranians doing there with a division of soldiers ?

Propaganda is cheap... whatever is the price !

Hi Guernon.
.

User: "Jane"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 04:13:50 PM

Perseid wrote:

Gilmo <g_morisset@globetrotter.net> Spat the Words

Perseid a =E9crit :

Israel is now saying they believe they are facing a division
of Iranian regulars. Talk about invading Lebanon... what the hell
are the Iranians doing there with a division of soldiers ?

Propaganda is cheap... whatever is the price !

Hi Guernon.

I don't think so. This guy is anti-Israel and referred to those who
support Israel as Nazis. He is also French-Canadian, but is not Jean.
Jane
.

User: "Jane"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 03:15:11 AM

Perseid wrote:

"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> Spat the Words

Gilmo wrote:

Styrbj=F6rn a =E9crit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

Styrbj=F6rn a =E9crit :

Gilmo wrote / skrev:

And you, Gilmo, are welcome to leave the planet any time.

Well, if you are a bosom buddy of the only 'real true interpret'
of Nostradamus; J Guernon, I must offer you my excuses and
at the same time my deepest sentiments of consolation !

But we did noticed that with the Outgames, Guernon was not
here last week. Was it any good ?

He is never here. And I'm not in here for Nosty. He never existed
anyway. But I don't need another cheerleader for the terrorists. If
Guernon is for Israel, I'm for Guernon.

Israel is now saying they believe they are facing a division
of Iranian regulars. Talk about invading Lebanon... what the hell
are the Iranians doing there with a division of soldiers ?

A good question, indeed...and a scary thought...
Jane

It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!

Jane

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User: "Gilmo"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 07:34:03 AM

Jane a écrit :

Hezbollah started the war. They use civilians as human shields.
Israel, on the other hand, provides its citizens with bomb shelters.
If Israel wanted to, they could wipe Lebanon off the map. However,
their aim is to take out Hezbollah with as few civilian casualities as
possible.

It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!

Jane

Here is some reading especially for you, Jane !
_http://tinyurl.com/elreh
!!
Gilmo
_
.

User: "Jane"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 04:16:20 PM

Gilmo wrote:

Jane a =E9crit :

Hezbollah started the war. They use civilians as human shields.
Israel, on the other hand, provides its citizens with bomb shelters.
If Israel wanted to, they could wipe Lebanon off the map. However,
their aim is to take out Hezbollah with as few civilian casualities as
possible.

It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!

Jane

Here is some reading especially for you, Jane !

_http://tinyurl.com/elreh

Doesn't change my opinion one bit! I think that article was posted, or
reprinted in my daily paper, because I had already read it.
Hezbollah needs to be taken out.
Jane

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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 07:23:50 PM

Jane,
First, these are terrorists that were supposed to be disarmed. If the UN had
problem with that resolution, one that the Lebanese governement undertook to
abide by, they had to refer it to the Security Council. But as we saw, the
UN is one sided, Koffi Annan won't speak about how the UN posts were used as
shields to fire at the IDF, nor do they mention the daily launching of
missiles by Hezbollah for the last year into civilian zones. True, attacks
against Israelis on the blue line has always been a daily occurence, by
Arabs from both Palestine and Lebanon, not only recently, it has been going
on for over a decade! One has to go on tour along with the IDF to know that.
The media hardly ever speaks about that. But it is light firearms and the
occasional mortars, not missiles on civilian enclaves, not dozens of them at
once. It appears there were some though, on a daily basis the UN observed
for the last year, according to an expert on these matters interviewed at
"Le Point de Radio-Canada".. But not as many as the day of the attack. It
was not one missile, but dozens. Two missiles started the dance, then they
sent dozens into the Northen towns of israel (and attacked the Shabaa farms)
before they kidnapped the soldiers.
Second, every single military power, expecially the mighty ones, always
prepare scenarios for every possible eventuality in every single region of
the world. This is hardly surprising, Indeed they waited very patiently,
while Iran was arming these illegal comabtants that use civilian enclaves,
infrastructures, and migle amongst people, and use people as human shield,
to conduct their military operation, all this contrary to the geneva
Convention. Besides, it is known that Iran was the one which announced its
intention to do this two days before:
(http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/014483.html )? Not israel!
Third, it was not 9:00 Am but 8:00, and it wasn't a little single rocket
(maybe the UN blue helmets were sleeping? ;-)) there were a heavy barrage of
miisiles:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885976658&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&tr=y&auid=1810217
And I quote: "The morning attack began at 8 AM, when Hizbullah launched a
heavy barrage of Katyusha rockets and mortar shells at IDF positions and
communities along the northern frontier. One rocket scored a direct hit on a
house in Shtula. Magen David Adom said they had treated six people. Both
soldiers and civilians were wounded; they were evacuated to Nahariya
hospital. "
But a heavy barrage at communities along the frontier may amount to as many
as 60. This was not simply a little "escarmouche", this was a massive
attack. The terrorists also attacked the Shebaa farms simultaneously
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nL12710330
before the abduction, and all of this is not mentioned at all in your
article. One missile?
I'm affraid that his article, apparently endorsed by the Guardian, famous
for launching fallacies from conspiracy freaks sometimes, has no link to
anything that would support their theory. Facts contradict it.
It seems to be, I'm sorry to say (NOT ;-)), bits and parts taken from
possible or potential actual occurences, as well as from false rumors and
from hear say propagated by the Islamist progaganda machine. It is not
serious and not supported by the facts
But yes, every single little facist in newsparpers accross the world try to
pass this as news, and are total ignoramus about the basic facts. Shows
where they look for their *****. In an editorial page. Albeit, endorsed by
the Guardian who recognize this loser as his own. But as I say, it is
nothing new from the Guardian.
J.
..
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1155244580.858292.21250@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Gilmo wrote:

Jane a écrit :

Hezbollah started the war. They use civilians as human shields.
Israel, on the other hand, provides its citizens with bomb shelters.
If Israel wanted to, they could wipe Lebanon off the map. However,
their aim is to take out Hezbollah with as few civilian casualities as
possible.

It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!

Jane

Here is some reading especially for you, Jane !

_http://tinyurl.com/elreh

Doesn't change my opinion one bit! I think that article was posted, or
reprinted in my daily paper, because I had already read it.
Hezbollah needs to be taken out.
Jane

!!

Gilmo

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User: "Jane"
Title: Re: To all users	11 Aug 2006 03:34:37 AM

Jean Guernon wrote:

Jane,

First, these are terrorists that were supposed to be disarmed. If the UN =

had

problem with that resolution, one that the Lebanese governement undertook=

abide by, they had to refer it to the Security Council. But as we saw, the
UN is one sided, Koffi Annan won't speak about how the UN posts were used=

shields to fire at the IDF, nor do they mention the daily launching of
missiles by Hezbollah for the last year into civilian zones. True, attacks
against Israelis on the blue line has always been a daily occurence, by
Arabs from both Palestine and Lebanon, not only recently, it has been goi=

on for over a decade! One has to go on tour along with the IDF to know th=

at.

The media hardly ever speaks about that. But it is light firearms and the
occasional mortars, not missiles on civilian enclaves, not dozens of them=

once. It appears there were some though, on a daily basis the UN observed
for the last year, according to an expert on these matters interviewed at
"Le Point de Radio-Canada".. But not as many as the day of the attack. It
was not one missile, but dozens. Two missiles started the dance, then they
sent dozens into the Northen towns of israel (and attacked the Shabaa far=

ms)

before they kidnapped the soldiers.

Second, every single military power, expecially the mighty ones, always
prepare scenarios for every possible eventuality in every single region of
the world. This is hardly surprising, Indeed they waited very patiently,
while Iran was arming these illegal comabtants that use civilian enclaves,
infrastructures, and migle amongst people, and use people as human shield,
to conduct their military operation, all this contrary to the geneva
Convention. Besides, it is known that Iran was the one which announced its
intention to do this two days before:
(http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/014483.html )? Not israel!

Third, it was not 9:00 Am but 8:00, and it wasn't a little single rocket
(maybe the UN blue helmets were sleeping? ;-)) there were a heavy barrage=

miisiles:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=3D1150885976658&pagename=3DJPo=

st%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&tr=3Dy&auid=3D1810217

And I quote: "The morning attack began at 8 AM, when Hizbullah launched a
heavy barrage of Katyusha rockets and mortar shells at IDF positions and
communities along the northern frontier. One rocket scored a direct hit o=

n a

house in Shtula. Magen David Adom said they had treated six people. Both
soldiers and civilians were wounded; they were evacuated to Nahariya
hospital. "

But a heavy barrage at communities along the frontier may amount to as ma=

as 60. This was not simply a little "escarmouche", this was a massive
attack. The terrorists also attacked the Shebaa farms simultaneously
http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=3DtnBusinessNews&=

storyID=3DnL12710330

before the abduction, and all of this is not mentioned at all in your
article. One missile?

I'm affraid that his article, apparently endorsed by the Guardian, famous
for launching fallacies from conspiracy freaks sometimes, has no link to
anything that would support their theory. Facts contradict it.

It seems to be, I'm sorry to say (NOT ;-)), bits and parts taken from
possible or potential actual occurences, as well as from false rumors and
from hear say propagated by the Islamist progaganda machine. It is not
serious and not supported by the facts

But yes, every single little facist in newsparpers accross the world try =

pass this as news, and are total ignoramus about the basic facts. Shows
where they look for their *****. In an editorial page. Albeit, endorsed by
the Guardian who recognize this loser as his own. But as I say, it is
nothing new from the Guardian.

I agree about the Guardian. It is certainly not going to convince me I
am wrong. Your friend from the Quebec political group can add me to
his list of Nazis, if it makes him feel good.
Glad to see you back, Jean!
Jane

J.
.

"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> a =E9crit dans le message de news:
1155244580.858292.21250@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...

Gilmo wrote:

Jane a =E9crit :

Hezbollah started the war. They use civilians as human shields.
Israel, on the other hand, provides its citizens with bomb shelters.
If Israel wanted to, they could wipe Lebanon off the map. However,
their aim is to take out Hezbollah with as few civilian casualities as
possible.

It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!

Jane

Here is some reading especially for you, Jane !

_http://tinyurl.com/elreh

Doesn't change my opinion one bit! I think that article was posted, or
reprinted in my daily paper, because I had already read it.

Hezbollah needs to be taken out.
=20
Jane

!!

Gilmo

_

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: To all users	12 Aug 2006 01:57:56 AM

"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1155285277.892069.168760@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[snip]

Thanks. :-)
J.

J.
.

"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1155244580.858292.21250@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...

Gilmo wrote:

[snip]
.

User: "Gilmo"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 06:45:46 AM

Jane a écrit :

Hezbollah started the war. They use civilians as human shields.
Israel, on the other hand, provides its citizens with bomb shelters.
If Israel wanted to, they could wipe Lebanon off the map. However,
their aim is to take out Hezbollah with as few civilian casualities as
possible.

It is you anti-Israel, anti-Semites who are the Nazis!

Jane

Just a little bit of reading will not hurt you at all !
!!
Gilmo
.

User: "Werewolfy"
Title: Re: To all users	10 Aug 2006 06:54:49 AM

Gilmo wrote:
"They use civilians as human shields."
Genghis Khan used the same tactics. He would make the local population,
and prisoners, march in the first wave of assault on a stronghold. They
were the ones who would carry the ladders and push the carts and 'war
machines'.
"Just a little bit of reading will not hurt you at all !"
The man who does not read, has no advantage over the man who cannot
read.
Werewolfy
.

User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: To all users	08 Aug 2006 10:57:47 PM

Om Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:19:35 GMT, Gilmo <g_morisset@globetrotter.net>
wrote in part:
*

Here on qc.politique we have recently inherited a 'gentleman'
who was on you[r] forum for "a while" and now claims that
most of you here are anti semitics and badly bruised in the head
because you never understood one word he mentionned here !

Should you miss Jean Guernon you are welcome to come
and reach him on our forum where you could beg him to
return to you a.s.a.p. !

*
If you are *that* desperate to get rid of him, he must be having
a field day arguing about anything and everything, as per his
past performance here.
*
Speaking for myself, you can keep him, as we now have a full
complement of idiots arguing about anything and everything except
Nostradamus' prophecies.
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille
August 9, 2006
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
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User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?="
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 11:42:32 AM

Claude Latremouille wrote / skrev:

Om Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:19:35 GMT, Gilmo <g_morisset@globetrotter.net>
wrote in part:
*

Clodd, I like your posts 'cause they are spectacular. They tickle my
mind. Nosty has nothing to do with them. Are you another idiot? Just a
question...

*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille
August 9, 2006
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
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User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: To all users	09 Aug 2006 01:29:31 PM

*
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:42:32 GMT, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Styrbj=F6rn?=
<tribe@war.soon> wrote in part:
*

Clodd, I like your posts 'cause they are spectacular. They tickle my
mind.

*
Then, be tickled by this one:
*

Subject: Sampling the prophecies
Message-ID: <20021115230511.O26856-100000@sheppard1.torfree.net>
Keywords: Nostradamus, Interpretations
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:07:49 -0500

*
This article provides APN readers with a sample of quatrains from
Nostradamus' Centuries and Almanachs together with a short (?)
commentary on each. It was recently posted in twelve parts mostly
titled:
*

Subject: Re: French to English Translation

*
Chronologically, these quatrains can be listed thus:
*
01. 1559 07 10 - I-35 Henry II's death.
02. 1566 07 02 - P-141 Nostradamus' death.
03. 1572 08 24 - IV-47 The St. Barthélémy Massacre.
04. 1649 01 30 - IX-49 Charles I's decapitation.
05. 1791 06 21 - IX-20 Louis XVI's decapitation.
06. 1804 05 18 - I-60 Napoléon Bonaparte Emperor.
07. 1820 02 13 - III-96 The Duke of Berry's murder.
08. 1940 05 10 - IX-83 and X-67 Germany attacks France.
09. 1945 08 06 - II-91 The US nuclear attack upon Japan.
10. 1974 08 09 - VI-13 US President Richard Nixon resigns.
11. 1981 05 13 - II-97 The murder attempt upon Pope John-Paul Ii.
12. 1999 08 11 - X-72 A total eclipse of the Sun in France.
*
01 =======================
*
The first quatrain examined here comes from the original 1555
edition of the Centuries, an edition which some of Nostradamus'
debunkers unsuccessfully alleged did not exist, as they were
seriously embarrassed that Nostradamus *could* predict the future
(1559) in 1555!
*
--------------- C E N T V R I E__P R E M I E R E. ------------
----------------------- (édition de 1555) --------------------
*
---- 35 - Le lyon ieune le vieux surmontera, -----------------
--------- En champ bellique par singulier duelle, ------------
--------- Dans caige d'or les yeux luy creuera: --------------
--------- Deux classes vne,puis mourir,mort cruelle. ---------
*
On June 30, 1559, two men are jousting in a tournament in Paris.
One is the King of France, Henry II, the other the captain of his
Scottish guard, Gabriel de Lorges, Count of Montgomery. At the
third pass, the already broken lance of the slightly younger man
penetrates the King's helmet, causing two mortal wounds in one
shot, the lance exiting behind the King's ear, who shall die ten
days later in horrible pain.
*
This quatrain was recognized before the fact for what it refers
to; it was mentioned at Court while the King lay dying, *before*
his death of July 10, but after the fateful duel of June 30, all
of this happening while Nostradamus was alive. No wonder the
Queen viewed Nostradamus -- in the words of an Ambassador -- as
if he were St. Luke, or St. John!
*
As Nostradamus needed the letters of the above poem to construct
four clear anagrams telling the world what I have just told you,
the style of that poem is full of obscurity, inaccuracies,
linguistic twists, etc., allowing Nostradamus to write a very
clear prophecy (which you may read in my book, at page 306),
decrypted in 1994.
*
02 =======================
*
This one comes from one of Nostradamus' Almanachs, has been
numbered by person or persons unknown "Présage 141", and is said
to apply to events of November 1567, whereas it always has been
understood by the commentators to refer to the circumstances of
Nostradamus' own death, on July 2, 1566.
*
-------------------- A__L__M__A__N__A__C__H ------------------
---------------- P O V R__L ' A N__M. D. LXVII. --------------
*
------------------ S v r__N o v e m b.___I567. ---------------
--------- Du retour d'Ambassade, don de Roy, mis au lieu, ----
--------- Plus n'en fera : sera allé à D I E V. --------------
--------- Parens plus proches,amis,freres du sang ------------
--------- Trouué tout mort pres du lict & du banc. -----------
*
To understand this verse, one needs to know that -- after a 1564
royal visit to Nostradamus in Salon, during which Nostradamus was
conferred the title of Physician in Ordinary to the King,
together with the appropriate gift in gold -- Nostradamus had
travelled to Arles so as to stay a while longer with the royal
family before it left Provence.
*
On the eve of Nostradamus' death, Nostradamus' alleged secretary,
Chavigny, is said to have been told by the seer upon retiring for
the night that Chavigny would not see him alive at sunrise the
next day. It is also alleged that Nostradamus had written on his
copy of astrological planetary positions the Latin words "Hic
prope mors est" (Here soon is my death), at the bottom of the
page for June 1566.
*
There is little doubt that Nostradamus had been able to foretell
his own death, so this verse is the cherry on top of the cake, so
to speak. It refers of the recent events of the end of his life,
describes the scene in his room when his lifeless body was found
the next morning by his family and friends, next to his bed and
his bench. Chavigny explains this by noting that during his
eight-day agony, Nostradamus did not like to sleep in his bed,
presumably because lying down caused him to choke, whereas
sleeping while sitting allowed him to breathe a little easier.
*
The most admirable aspect to this verse is that -- not only does
it make some sense, but it also hides Nostradamus' prophecy about
the circumstances of the destruction of Paris, its main feature
being that the good people of Paris shall doubt until the end
that the hidden text is truly by Nostradamus, and not by the
person who found it, namely myself. Pity!
*
03 =======================
*
----------------- C E N T V R I E__Q V A R T E. --------------
----------------------- (édition de 1555) --------------------
*
---- 47 - Le noir farouche quand aura essayé -----------------
--------- Sa main sanguine par feu,fer,arcs tendus: ----------
--------- Trestout le peuple sera tant effraie: --------------
--------- Voyr les plus gra[n]ds par col & pieds pendus. -----
*
On August 24, 1572, after Nostradamus' death, Catholic hatred for
the French Reform explodes: on this day of St. Barthélémy, the
leaders of the Reform are murdered. The King himself is said to
have participated in this massacre by shooting from his palace
windows upon the defenseless Protestants below. In the palace
itself, a long time friend of Charles IX is murdered in his bed,
his body dragged outside, the head cut off (later to be offered
as a present to the Pope, the Queen Mother's uncle), the body
hung upside down at Montfaucon. His name? Gaspard de Coligny.
*
In this quatrain, consisting of a matrix of four cryptic
anagrams, Nostradamus makes sure that his future readers will
recognize unmistakably these terrible events. He mentions no
name, no date, no place. But everything is there, even the
hanging upside down of Coligny.
*
One of the tricks often played by Nostradamus is to state
something obviously false, so as to point to something too
obviously true. Here, his trick is to speak of people hanged by
the neck (col), a false statement in the case of Col...igny.
That's how his future readers get to see what was hidden in 1555
when the original was published. The neck becomes the murdered
Coligny... after the fact.
*
As Nostradamus needed the letters of the above poem to construct
four clear anagrams telling the world what I have just told you,
the style of that poem is full of logical, grammatical and
factual errors, not to mention the tone of the poem which blames
all this mayhem upon the shoulders of this "noir farouche", which
the most clever of Nostradamus' commentators of the past have
recognized as a cryptic manner of referring to a violent king
(noir = roi = king), the mark of Charles IX, responsible for --
and perhaps a participant in -- this massacre.
*
04 =======================
*
The next two verses come from a batch of 300 quatrains published
by Nostradamus in 1558, in a book dated... 1568!
*
-------------------- C E N T V R I E___I X. ------------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
*
--------------------------- X L I X. -------------------------
--------- Gand & Bruceles marcheront contre Enuers. ----------
--------- Senat de Londres mettront à mort leur roy ----------
--------- Le sel & vin luy seront à l'enuers, ----------------
--------- Pour eux auoir le regne en desarroy. ---------------
*
To understand this verse, one needs to know a little history. The
Treaties of Westphalia were concluded in 1648, the year before
Charles I's execution, after a war between the Lower Countries
and Holland. (In line 1, read Ghent & Brussels, and Antwerp.)
*
Line 2 is the clear statement of the English King being put to
death by the then Long Parliament headed by... Oliver Cromwell.
*
The last two lines are much more difficult to swallow (don't
forget that they hide a clear text, so Nostradamus *has* to
compromise with clarity of style in his published texts), so we
get a vague reference to a king who lacked strenght (wine) and
wisdom (salt), allowing the Revolution in England to lead his
Kingdom to anarchy.
*
What is most striking in this verse is that Nostradamus is not
afraid of speaking of a king put to death. Why is he so brave?
Because it does not happen in France! So he risks nothing. The
numbering of this quatrain is also peculiar. Charles was beheaded
in 1649, and the number of the quatrain is... 49. A coincidence?
I don't think so.
*
05 =======================
*
-------------------- C E N T V R I E___I X. ------------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
*
----------------------------- X X. ---------------------------
--------- De nuit viendra pa r la forest de Reines, ----------
--------- Deux pars vaultorte Herne la pierre blanche, -------
--------- Le moine noir en gris dedans Varennes --------------
--------- Esleu cap.cause tempeste feu,sang tranche. ---------
*
This is one of the most commented quatrains ever. Why? Because of
a mention -- in the middle of this meaningful gobbledygook -- of
a place name, Varennes. Although there are quite a lot of places
in France named Varennes, only one major event in the whole
history of France has occurred in a place named Varennes: the
arrest of the Royal family fleeing the Revolution, on June 21,
1791, in... Varennes.
*
Sure, they left Paris by night (de nuit); but who the hell is
this black monk in grey? Well, well, well, we find again our good
friend the anagram for roi (king), the word noir (black). Using
this word for the second time, Nostradamus is hinting that his
texts might hide anagrams. This one hides a king, just as does
IV-47 (see above).
*
Another hint that this nonsense hides anagrams? Its last line.
Only after the fact, after the Revolution had begun to slice the
neck of the King and of almost everybody else, would the word
"tranche" (slice) mean something to Nostradamus' readers. Blood
(sang) is also a feature of the guillotine. How do the anagrams
force Nostradamus to refer to King Louis XVI? By a strange
device: "Esleu cap." In French, le Capet élu, the elected Capet.
True enough, before his execution, Louis XVI has indeed been
chosen King... by the Revolution.
*
Can it be said that the King's flight from Paris was the cause of
his untimely death? Some say that this event did more to further
the cause of the Republic, a country without a King, than any of
the revolutionary pamphlets of the day. So it is not stretching
the point too much to see in the "cause tempeste" of line 4 that
the flight leading to Varennes did indeed cause a storm which, in
the end, spilled the blood of the King when he was sliced in two.
*
06 =======================
*
Back to the original 1555 edition of the Prophecies.
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E__P R E M I E R E. -------------
---------------------- (édition de 1555) ---------------------
*
---- 60 - Vn Empereur naistra pres d'Italie, -----------------
--------- Qui a l'Empire sera vendu bien cher, ---------------
--------- Diront auecques quels gens il se ralie -------------
--------- Qu'on trouuera moins prince que boucher. -----------
*
France had known emperors many centuries before Nostradamus, but
if Nostradamus' texts are prophecies -- and that's exactly what
Nostradamus calls them -- then, a reference to an Emperor in a
text published in 1555 must be a reference to a future emperor.
*
Prior to 1804, this verse was considered as a quatrain of the
future. Then, the little soldier, later the General, later the
First Consul, decided to crown himself Emperor. His name?
Napoléon Bonaparte. Where was he born? Well, not in continental
France, that's for sure. Not in Italy, that's for sure. How about
a place near Italy? Perfect. And that's what Nostradamus tells
us. Born in Corsica, Bonaparte was indeed born near Italy. The
first line is complete.
*
The remainder of the verse shows that Nostradamus is not a great
fan of this tyrant who shall rule 14 years (a reference from yet
another quatrain), who shall be extremely costly to the Empire,
and in the end who would be viewed by many, more as a butcher
than as a prince.
*
Were it not for the reference to Bonaparte's place of birth, to
his status as Emperor, this quatrain might not have been
understood so easily by the commentators. As to Bonaparte's own
view of Nostradamus's prophecies, Napoléon is said to have
remarked: « Ça énerve et ça épouvante l'imagination ! ». 'It is
irritating and appalling to one's imagination'. Ain't it just?!
*
07 =======================
*
---------------- C E N T V R I E___T I E R C E. --------------
---------------------- (édition de 1555) ---------------------
*
---- 96 - Chef de F O V S S A N aura gorge couper ------------
--------- Par le ducteur du limier & leurier: ----------------
--------- Le faict patré par ceux du mont T A R P E E --------
--------- Saturne en Leo X I I I. de Feurier. ----------------
*
This one is an absolute masterpiece of deceit. After the fact,
all the French commentators recognize it for what it is. Before
the fact, absolutely impossible to get it.
*
Note: The three expressions in capitals here are in fact in small
caps in the original text. They form part of a greater set of
thirteen words plus the number thirteen so printed in that
original 1555 edition, the anagram of which produces a clear
statement about the circumstances of the unintended destruction
of Paris, a statement found at pp. 192-193 in my book.
*
Back to the quatrain. The idiots who think that Nostradamus is
going to give them a clear date in his verses are... just idiots!
Here, he plays with them like a cat with a mouse: "Saturne en
Leo" would normally mean... Saturn in Leo, right? Wrong! If you
try to find a February 13th (X I I I de Feurier) occurring when
Saturn is in Leo, you will miss the boat. But if you wait for the
event depicted here to happen, you will get at a devious way of
alluding to the event: Saturn in Leo, here, symbolizes death in
the royal family. And that's what happens on February 13, 1820.
*
Why is this event sooo important that Nostradamus would devote a
quatrain to it? The murder of the Duke of Berry contributed to
the end of the French Monarchy (as he was at one point the only
heir to the throne capable of eventually succeeding to his uncle,
Louis XVIII), casting doubt upon his paternity of a child
(allegedly born to his allegedly pregnant wife the following
September) later known as the Duke of Bordeaux, who almost became
in 1830 Henry V of France, and who -- through sheer stupidity --
got the French Republic restored in 1871, ending the Monarchy
forever in France.
*
How is Nostradamus devious in this quatrain? He deliberately
misleads his readers in almost every respect. Who murdered the
Duke? A loser named Louis-Pierre Louvel. What was his job? He was
a saddler temporarily assigned to the King's stables. Was he not
the King's "louvetier" (in charge of the hunting dogs at royal
hunting parties)? No, he was not. Why then does Nostradamus say
of him that he was the leader of hunting dogs? Because... his
name is similar to the French word for the person in charge of
hunting dogs: LOUVETIER, His name? LOUVEL.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
08 =======================
*
This time, we shall examine two quatrains together. Why? Because
one of Nostradamus' tricks is to hide his secret in two quatrains
who share something in common. And only when one reads both at
the same time, does one find out to what they refer. After the
fact, of course! :-)
*
They both come from the same batch of 300 quatrains published by
Nostradamus in 1558, in a book dated... 1568!
*
--------------------- C E N T V R I E__I X -------------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
*
------------------------- L X X X I I I. ---------------------
--------- Sol vingt de taurus si fort terre trembler. --------
--------- Le grand theatre rempli ruinera, -------------------
--------- L'air,ciel & terre obscurcir & troubler, -----------
--------- Lors l'infidelle Dieu & fainctz voguera. -----------
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___D I X I E S M E. ------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
*
--------------------------- L X V I I. -----------------------
--------- Le tremblement si fort au mois de May, -------------
--------- Saturne,Caper,Iupiter,Mercure au beuf: -------------
--------- Venus aussi Cancer,Mars,en Nonnay, -----------------
--------- Tombera gresse lors plus grosse qu'vn euf. ---------
*
In these two quatrains, Nostradamus gives the exact date of a
major event in French history. Problem: he does not want anyone,
especially astrologers, to guess that date. What does he do? He
gives good planetary positions and... screws them up, to fool
astrologers. After the fact, *only after the fact*, we know what
he did.
*
Line 1 of IX-83 speaks of the Sun being at 20 degrees of Taurus.
This happens every year on May 10, approximately. Line 1 of X-67
also speaks of the month of May. Great! Reading these two
together, we see that the Earth shakes in May, and we can find
the exact date... after the fact. Why after the fact? Because the
planetary positions are screwed up! Let's review them.
*
Saturn in Taurus. In May? Yes, May 10, 1940. Did Jupiter enter
Taurus in May 1940? Yes, it did. Mercury in Taurus. In May? Yes,
May 10, 1940. Was Venus in Cancer on May 10, 1940? Yes, it was.
Did Mars enter Cancer in May 1940? Yes, it did.
*
What happened on that date? Blitzkrieg! That's what happened.
Hitler's Gernamy attacked in full force Belgium, The Netherlands,
France, its Air Force dropping bombs relentlessly, thereby making
the ground shake. Not a natural earthquake, but the end of the
funny War between the Franco-British forces and Germany, and the
start of the real War. How do we know that this is what these two
verses point to? Simple. All we have to do is to read the last
line of the second verse:
*
--------- Tombera gresse lors plus grosse qu'vn euf. ---------
*
"Gresle" is spelled "gresse" here. Don't forget that these texts
are coded. And today "gresle" would be spelled "grêle". What is
"grêle"? Hail! And what did fall from the sky on May 10, 1940?
Hail bigger than eggs. Precisely. Goering's bombs, bigger than
eggs!
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
09 =======================
*
This one comes from the original 1555 edition.
*
--------------- C E N T V R I E___S E C O N D E. -------------
----------------------- (édition de 1555) --------------------
*
---- 91 - Soleil leuant vn grand feulon verra ----------------
--------- Bruit & clarté vers Aquilon tendant: ---------------
--------- Dedans le rond mort & cris lont orra ---------------
--------- Par glaiue,feu,faim,mort les attendants. -----------
*
Prior to 1945, the scene described here was unimaginable. Since
Hiroshima (August 6, 1945), it makes quite a lot of sense. The
clue to this obscure prophecy? "Soleil leuant".
*
Today, the Empire of the Rising Sun (in French, l'Empire du
Soleil levant) is simply known as... Japan. The first two words
of this verse place the scene in... Japan. 'A great fire shall be
seen', goes the first line. Quite so. And the rest of the verse
jumbles that scene of horror, noise, light, inside a circle of
death, shouts being heard, those present being put to death by a
sword of fire and hunger, radiation sickness finishing what the
heat of the blast had not done previously.
*
Had these four lines not been coded to conceal a clear prophecy
(A Great Japanese Town shall be on fire at the instant of the so
mortal Atomick Terror, Japan twisting in pain and making Peace
without delay.), the published text -- though quite obscure prior
to August 6, 1945 -- becomes clear enough after that date to
convey in meaningful gobbledygook what the hidden text translated
above disclosed to the one who first discovered it in 1994.
*
Given that Nostradamus' prophecy is entirely devoted to the
circumstances leading to the unintended destruction of Paris by a
thermonuclear weapon, it was quite normal for him to mention
history's first nuclear casualty, the Land of the Rising Sun.
*
To top the cake, when Hiroshima was attacked, the Sun was indeed
rising, as the explosion occurred long before Noon, the point
where the Sun stops rising and begins its journey down.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
10 =======================
*
The next one comes from the November 1557 edition.
*
This quatrain is very dear to me. It is the very first one whose
event it depicts happened right under my nose while I was
studying it. At the time, I had become almost a news junkie. And
the main event of the day was happening in America, broadcast for
all to see on US television, easily seen in beautiful downtown
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
*
Quatrain VI-13 taught me many things. First, that Nostradamus did
not only concern himself with major military episodes, political
turmoil, and the like, concerning France, but could also be
interested in what happens elsewhere in the world.
*
One 1974 Spring day, upon my return from Nostradamus' home town,
while taking a bath, a word -- just one word -- from Nostradamus'
prophecy came to me. That word? CAPITOLE. In those days, without
a computer, to search for that word in the Centuries, I had to
manually flip through the pages of my pocket book edition of the
Prophecies, until I found the word I was looking for. I finally
did. The line which included that word was the third of quatrain
VI-13:
*
Vn capitole de vouldra point qu'il regne,
*
which could mean in English: 'A capitole shall not want him to
rule'. What was the main event of the Spring and Summer of 1974?
The impeachment hearings concerning US President Richard Nixon's
involvement in what had become known as the Watergate. So, line 3
appeared to 'fit' with that well publicized event. But how about
line 2?
*
La plus grand part le vouldra soustenir:
*
That most certainly did not fit at all: 'The greatest part will
want to support him'. Quite the contrary. People were fed up with
the Watergate, and Nixon's popularity was plummeting. I thought I
was wrong, as one line is not enough to produce a correct
interpretation. All four lines *must* fit. So, I gave up for a
few weeks. But the hearings continued and, more and more, it was
obvious that Nixon was going to be impeached and later put on
trial. It is line 4 which kept bugging me:
*
Sa grande charge ne pourra maintenir.
*
'His great office he shall be unable to keep.' That was quite
explicit: the presidency of the United States is indeed 'a great
office'. So, line 4 did appear to make sense as much as line 3.
That darn line 2 was spoiling the fun!
*
And then, I finally began to study line 1, the most difficult, as
it contains a word which does not exist in French (dubieux),
whereas it does in English (dubious). In line 1, this dubious
person was said to have come close to becoming a ruler.
Obviously, this did not apply to Nixon either, as he had indeed
been a ruler for one full term (1969-1972), and had been re-
elected in 1972... WITH THE GREATEST MAJORITY IN US HISTORY!
*
There was my line 2: Not only did Nostradamus talk about the
events of 1974, but he also drew a picture of Nixon's political
career. And what exactly did happen to Nixon, politically? He was
beaten by an extremely small margin in 1960, at the hands of John
F. Kennedy. He almost became a ruler, then. And what was Kennedy?
A Catholic. And Nixon? A Protestant, a Quaker. What distinguishes
Catholics from Protestants in their Faith? Moral certainty. The
infallibility of the Pope. Whereas Protestants allowed for doubt
in their faith. And how did Nostradamus refer to Nixon? As a
doubting person. A Protestant. Why? Because he was beaten by a
Catholic, the only Catholic President in US history.
*
So, I had finally gotten all four lines of VI-13 to 'fit'
perfectly with Nixon's career. We were in July 1974. Then, the
votes recommending impeachment were cast by the Committee, three
counts. Where were these votes cast? In the CAPITOLE! Everybody,
including myself, was expecting Nixon to be impeached by the
House of Representative. But tricky ***** had one more ace up his
sleeve. Look at line 4. It does not say:
*
Sa grande charge ne *vouldra* maintenir.
*
'His great office he shall not *want* to keep', but that he shall
be unable to. "I have never been a quitter", said he. And yet, on
August 9, he resigns the presidency, the only one to have done so
in US history. Was Nostradamus wrong? Of course not! :-)
*
In his departing speech to the nation, televised the evening
before, Nixon makes quite clear that the reason he has decided to
go is that he no longer possess enough support in Congress to be
able to continue with his term of office. Not that he *wants* to
go, but that *he can't* continue.
*
ne *pourra* maintenir.
*
And this nice little poem had been in print since 1557, and was
awaiting the Summer of 1974 to explode in our face.
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------------ C E N T V R I E___S I X S I E S M E. ------------
----------------- (édition de novembre 1557) -----------------
*
---------------------------- X I I I -------------------------
--------- Vn dubieux ne viendra loing du regne, --------------
--------- La plus grand part le vouldra soustenir: -----------
--------- Vn capitole ne vouldra point qu'il regne, ----------
--------- Sa grande charge ne pourra maintenir. --------------
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
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11 =======================
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This quatrain comes from the original 1555 edition and is, in my
view, the most important of the entire prophecy. Not that the
event it depicts surpasses all others, but it is the one which
led to the discovery of how Nostradamus built his prophecy. Its
meaning had already been identified by other French commentators,
so the only new thing about it is the discovery that it hides a
clear statement about what had already been understood from the
published text.
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___S E C O N D E. --------------
--------------------- (édition de 1555) ----------------------
*
---- 97 - Romain Pontife garde de t'approcher ----------------
--------- De la cité qui deux fleuues arrouse, ---------------
--------- Ton sang viendras au pres de la cracher, -----------
--------- Toy & les tiens quandfleurira la rose. -------------
*
After the fact, after the event of May 13, 1981, everything
becomes clear: The subject of the verse is a Pope, a Pope which
did visit Paris the year before, a Pope whose blood and that of
his followers was spilled, 'when the rose bloomed'.
*
French commentators immediately understood that Nostradamus was
using one of his favourite tricks for dating his prophecies: an
inoccuous event announces a much more important one. Three days
before the murder attempt against Pope John-Paul II, the French
went to the polls and elected as President François Mitterrand,
leader of the French Socialist Party.
*
At the time, the emblem of the Party (it was recently changed)
was... a rose in the fist. During the election campaign, Paris
was covered with posters promoting the main contenders in that
race, a fact which made these French commentators realize that
the rose was indeed in full bloom in Paris, so to speak. Another
way of putting it: the leader of the Party whose emblem was the
rose in the fist shall be elected Head of State. But this meaning
comes from the original text *as is*. The discovery of
Nostradamus' secret came much later, in October 1993.
*
Call this the first domino which -- when falling -- caused all
the others to fall! One day, I asked myself a strange question:
Had Nostradamus wanted to hide the name of François Mitterrand in
a line of his poetry, he would have needed to do so a line
containing a number of T's and a number of R's; did I know of
such a line in a verse already known to refer to this same man?
*
After thinking about it for a few seconds, I realized that I did
indeed know of such a line. Line 4 of quatrain II-97:
*
--------- Toy & les tiens quandfleurira la rose. -------------
*
The line did indeed contain enough R's and enough T's to write
FRANÇOIS MITTERRAND. Problem: there is no M in that line.
Impossible to write *M*itterrand. Problem: there is no C in that
line. Impossible to write Fran*ç*ois. What I had thought a smart
idea was turning into a big flop.
*
My disappointment was short-lived as I recalled a book I had read
many years before, titled "Ainsi parla Nostradamus" (not to be
confused with another book with a similar title and published
since, called "Ainsi parlait Nostradamus"), by Paul de Saint-
Hilaire, 1982 (Rossel Éditeur), in which Saint-Hilaire explains
many cryptographic techniques in use in Nostradamus' days, one of
which he called hermetic or poetic anagrams.
*
Contrary to honest-to-goodness anagrams which used all the
letters of a word to create another word, these devious cryptic
anagrams allowed for the substitution of a maximum of one letter
per word. Back to 'my' line 4 of II-97:
*
--------- Toy & les tiens quandfleurira la rose. -------------
*
If Nostradamus was using not a straight anagram but a cryptic
anagram in this line, was it possible to write Mitterrand's name
with it? I took out my Scrabble(R) game and placed the letters of
that line on the table. All the letters for (M)itterrand were
there, except the M, and all the letters for Fran(ç)oys were
there, except the C. Perhaps Nostradamus was using a cryptic
anagram, after all.
*
Next, I asked myself: why would Nostradamus play the game of
hiding the name of a person he is referring to in the original
poetry? Unless he was hiding something else as well, there would
be no point in doing so. Perhaps he was hiding a complete
statement in that line. With this in mind, I came up with a more
complete cryptic anagram, one which said something about this
Françoys Mitterrand. So, I found:
*
Le Gaulois Françoys Mitterrand est esleu.
*
It was, of course, a mistake to see a complete sentence in only
one line of II-97, but I did not know that at the time. As a
matter of fact, I thought that discovery was quite remarkable in
and of itself. "Gallic Françoys Mitterrand is elected". That's
what I had found and... it was true. :-)
*
It took me nine more months to realize that what I had found in
line 4 of II-97 was but the tip of a huge iceberg. Not only was
the fourth line a complete cryptic anagram, but all four lines of
the verse were four independent cryptic anagrams consisting of a
whole sentence broken in four parts, and constituting the hidden
prophecy only hinted at by the originally published text.
*
Moreover, line 4 contained something slightly erroneous: when
referring to those wounded at the same time as the Pope,
Nostradamus was referring to them in the masculine (Toy & les
tiens), whereas two American *women* had been wounded on St.
Peter's Square on that day, Mrs. Odre, and Mrs. Hall. So the line
was incorrect. Why? The anagram gave the answer: because writing
the truth, in the feminine, would have screwed up the anagram.
*
Long after the fact, I also noticed a typographical oddity in
that same line: "quandfleurira" does not exist in French, but
"quand fleurira" does. Why would Nostradamus stick together two
words which ought not be? Perhaps to indicate that his original
text does not really matter, as this peculiarity does not change
the anagram from that line.
*
And at line 3, Nostradamus does the opposite: he separates in two
words that which ought to be one word: "au pres", ought to read
auprès. Another oddity which does not change the anagram at all.
*
A more consequential oddity for detecting the presence of
anagrams: lines 2 and 4 do not rhyme exactly, although they are
close; "arrouse" and "rose" do not rhyme. But "arrose" and "rose"
do. Perhaps the anagram forced Nostradamus to spell "arrose"
"arrouse"?
*
After the discovery that Nostradamus' published texts are
completely in anagrams, the presence of no less than four
printing oddities, not to mention the strange grammar of the
quatrain, constitute as many clues to the presence of anagrams in
this poem.
*
It might be said that I found in the four anagrams produced by
these four lines of poetry *what I wanted* to find. Problem: As I
did not know what I would find in the anagram from line 1, how
could I have 'wanted' to find whatever was later found in the
anagrams from lines 2, 3, and 4? Because, you see, these four
anagrams were found one after the other, without any prior
knowledge of what was hidden in the following ones.
*
But the fundamental question raised by that issue is simply this:
Why would I have wanted to find something I already knew? After
all, the meaning of II-97 was already well known in French
Nostradamus literature, and there was absolutely no reason to
find it again. The answer to my own question becomes more evident
when the discovered text is read:
*
---- 97 - L'An Octante, le Grand Pape de Rome, Iean ----------
--------- Paul Deux, est en France IU Iours et ---------------
--------- Vng An après, au Vatican, il est escorché, ---------
--------- Lors que Françoys Mitterrand est esleu. ------------
*
This is the prophecy hidden by Nostradamus in clear 16th century
French. My original anagram from line 4 has slightly changed, as
it now forms part of a complete sentence: 'In the Year Eighty,
the Great Pope of Rome, Iohn Paul the Second, is in France for IU
Days and One Year afterwards, in the Vatican, he is wounded, when
Françoys Mitterrand is elected.' Note that as Mitterrand has been
elected on May 10, Valéry Giscard d'Estaing is still President on
May 13. Mitterrand will succeed him in the following weeks. Even
this timing detail has not escaped Nostradamus' attention.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?! :-)
*
12 =======================
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The last quatrain sampled here continues to produce in this
NewsGroup the most ridiculous comments. Only one original edition
published by Nostradamus in 1558, but dated 1568, includes it.
What is so special about it? It gives a date! Remember my comment
about fools who would guess ahead of time the date of a future
event? It applies here as well. Nostradamus never give anything
for nothing, especially a date. What does he do instead? He plays
games with his readers. So, let's play with him:
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___D I X I E S M E -------------
----------------- (édition prétendue de 1568) ----------------
*
-------------------------- L X X I I. ------------------------
--------- L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois ----------
--------- Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy deffraieur ------------
--------- Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois. ---------------
--------- Auant apres Mars regner par bon heur. --------------
*
The fact that this text gives a date ought not distract its
readers, leading them to think that it is different from the
others: it is not. It is still a splendid piece of meaningful
gobbledygook, understandable only *after the fact*. Let's play.
*
Thirty years before 1999, when I first read this verse, it was
obvious to me that its first two lines referred to the future
total eclipse of the Sun, expected for August 11, 1999. Why?
*
First, something was coming from the sky. Unless someone (and
there were indeed many who said so) would believe that a great
frightening King from another world would park his flying saucer
next to the Eiffel Tower in July 1999, there were not that many
meanings to be ascribed to the first two lines. But there are two
obstacles to surmount: (1) August is not July; and (2) there is
no mention of an eclipse in the text.
*
True, August is not July. But August 11 CAN indeed be July, as
long as one remembers that Nostradamus was living under the
Julian calendar, and -- under the Julian calendar -- the first
thirteen days of August fall... in July. In this case, July 29,
1999. Nostradamus was playing the calendar trick upon the most
foolish of his readers.
*
What about the eclipse? Well, we have already seen in this short
sample of quatrains that Nostradamus plays yet another trick upon
his unsuspecting readers: the cryptic anagram. Both in IV-47 and
in IX-20, Nostradamus did use the word "noir" (black) to refer to
the word "roi" (king). What was to stop him from doing the
reverse in quatrain X-72? Nothing! And that's what he did. Look
at line 2 again:
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