Little do you know that I was once a "born again" Christian. I have inside
knowledge of how slimy and pathetic these people all are. I do not think
fondly of liars (and killers). That is why I consider you no more than pond
scum!! You have asked me on several occasions why I dislike you, what you
have done. That is one of the reasons is why.
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26 Jul 2007 03:27:59 AM |
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"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:5eSpi.7142$rX4.2992@pd7urf2no...
Little do you know that I was once a "born again" Christian. I have
inside knowledge of how slimy and pathetic these people all are. I do
not think fondly of liars (and killers). That is why I consider you no
more than pond scum!! You have asked me on several occasions why I
dislike you, what you have done. That is one of the reasons is why.
I think I once told the DouglASS that I was a Presbyterian until age 17.
At that age, I said this to Jesus: "I can't take the lies and hypocrisy of
man's organized religions, Jesus, so I respectfully withdraw my membership
from the churches of mankind forever more. And if I have offended you, or
God, by skipping out, then I of course await God's judgement on Judgement
Day as to where my soul will end up." (a bit paraphrased -- it's been a
long time!)
I've never turned back, or even considered it for a second, since that
prayer was made. I continue to believe in God, but seriously question
whether any human being, including Jesus, was the special conduit for God
(or is today) -- that any human being claiming divinity is nothing more
than a self-deluded person or a hoaxter. I don't think we can understand
what God is, and all our concepts in organized religions fall pitifully
short in explaining or describing what God really is, IMO. No one knows
what God is, and no one knows if life continues beyond death, or that
there is such a thing as a soul. No one KNOWS. I'm tired of believers
trying to substitute their beliefs for reality or facts.
Doc
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26 Jul 2007 09:43:16 AM |
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"Docrodile" <swampthing@hellsbayou.net> wrote in message
news:Q7udnVNA2qONxjXbnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:5eSpi.7142$rX4.2992@pd7urf2no...
Little do you know that I was once a "born again" Christian. I have
inside knowledge of how slimy and pathetic these people all are. I do
not think fondly of liars (and killers). That is why I consider you no
more than pond scum!! You have asked me on several occasions why I
dislike you, what you have done. That is one of the reasons is why.
I think I once told the DouglASS that I was a Presbyterian until age 17.
At that age, I said this to Jesus: "I can't take the lies and hypocrisy of
man's organized religions, Jesus, so I respectfully withdraw my membership
from the churches of mankind forever more. And if I have offended you, or
God, by skipping out, then I of course await God's judgement on Judgement
Day as to where my soul will end up." (a bit paraphrased -- it's been a
long time!)
I've never turned back, or even considered it for a second, since that
prayer was made. I continue to believe in God, but seriously question
whether any human being, including Jesus, was the special conduit for God
(or is today) --
that any human being claiming divinity is nothing more than a self-deluded
person or a hoaxter.
Steven is unable to bare the pain that there is no God to avenge him of all
the wrong we have done him. Vengeance is what he desparately wants. That's
why he clings to Jesus. He thinks Jesus will do his dirty work for him!
I don't think we can understand what God is, and all our concepts in
organized religions fall pitifully short in explaining or describing what
God really is, IMO. No one knows what God is, and no one knows if life
continues beyond death, or that there is such a thing as a soul. No one
KNOWS. I'm tired of believers trying to substitute their beliefs for
reality or facts.
Doc
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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26 Jul 2007 10:22:05 AM |
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On Jul 26, 7:43 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Steven is unable to bare the pain that there is no God to avenge him of all
the wrong we have done him. Vengeance is what he desparately wants. That's
why he clings to Jesus. He thinks Jesus will do his dirty work for him!
You were never a Christian. A Christian would not say what you just
said above. What you said goes against the teachings of Jesus. Unlike
you, I would never wish harm on you or anyone here.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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26 Jul 2007 10:36:05 AM |
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On Jul 26, 4:22?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"You were never a Christian. A Christian would not say what you just
aid above. What you said goes against the teachings of Jesus. Unlike
you, I would never wish harm on you or anyone here."
According to your wonderful book, Mondo is exactly correct.
Werewolfy
Romans 12.19
" Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath
of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the
Lord."
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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26 Jul 2007 12:24:05 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1185464165.716392.112770@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 4:22?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"You were never a Christian. A Christian would not say what you just
aid above. What you said goes against the teachings of Jesus. Unlike
you, I would never wish harm on you or anyone here."
According to your wonderful book, Mondo is exactly correct.
Werewolfy
Romans 12.19
" Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath
of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the
Lord."
That's the first time I've ever seen you quote the Bible Werewolfy. I was
taken completely off gard by your response. Good one!!!
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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26 Jul 2007 01:26:48 PM |
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On Jul 26, 6:24?pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"That's the first time I've ?ever seen you quote the Bible Werewolfy.
?I was taken completely off gard by your response. ?Good one!!!"
Grins Mondo.
Actually, a few days ago I did try to 'offer a hand of understanding'
to Steven. He rejected that. So, I can say I tried to inform him, was
not successful and he is now consigned to the dustbin of the
iredeemable.
I've had my share of preaching perfectionists, priests and nuns in
life. Douglas is just another of them.
Might as well talk to a wall really...get more sense from a wall.
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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26 Jul 2007 10:44:33 AM |
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On Jul 26, 8:36 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:22?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"You were never a Christian. A Christian would not say what you just
aid above. What you said goes against the teachings of Jesus. Unlike
you, I would never wish harm on you or anyone here."
According to your wonderful book, Mondo is exactly correct.
Werewolfy
Romans 12.19
" Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath
of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the
Lord."
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
26 Jul 2007 12:25:16 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185464673.263128.211160@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 8:36 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:22?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
"You were never a Christian. A Christian would not say what you just
aid above. What you said goes against the teachings of Jesus. Unlike
you, I would never wish harm on you or anyone here."
According to your wonderful book, Mondo is exactly correct.
Werewolfy
Romans 12.19
" Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath
of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the
Lord."
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
You get denser by the minute Steven. Was Jesus God or not?
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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26 Jul 2007 11:05:40 AM |
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On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too. What was he..some
passing terrorist?
Werewolfy
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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26 Jul 2007 11:26:05 AM |
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On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
What was he..some passing terrorist?
Why would you say he was a terrorist? Unlike a different prophet,
Jesus demonstrated forgiveness for transgressions committed against
him. That's what he taught, and that's the example he set for his
followers.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
26 Jul 2007 01:52:36 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
What was he..some passing terrorist?
Why would you say he was a terrorist?
Unlike a different prophet, Jesus demonstrated forgiveness for
transgressions committed against
him.
Of which prophet do you speak Steven? Was it Moses who had God send all
those plagues on the Egyptians? The God in which you believes seems to also
be schrizophrenic split personality. Seems more like a Devil to me!
That's what he taught, and that's the example he set for his
followers.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
26 Jul 2007 07:08:28 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
That Steven would make you the first Christian who doesn't believe Jesus is
God. Isn't that a requirement of the religion? Perhaps you have just
started a new branch of Christianity.
What was he..some passing terrorist?
Why would you say he was a terrorist? Unlike a different prophet,
Jesus demonstrated forgiveness for transgressions committed against
him. That's what he taught, and that's the example he set for his
followers.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
26 Jul 2007 07:32:11 PM |
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On Jul 26, 5:08 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
That Steven would make you the first Christian who doesn't believe Jesus is
God. Isn't that a requirement of the religion? Perhaps you have just
started a new branch of Christianity.
I believe Jesus was sent by God. Jesus said that himself, when he said
he was sent by his Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But I
don't believe he *is* God. I believe he is *of* God.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
26 Jul 2007 07:46:02 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185496331.919952.296530@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:08 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus
was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
That Steven would make you the first Christian who doesn't believe Jesus
is
God. Isn't that a requirement of the religion? Perhaps you have just
started a new branch of Christianity.
I believe Jesus was sent by God. Jesus said that himself, when he said
he was sent by his Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But I
don't believe he *is* God. I believe he is *of* God.
I interpret things differently...
"Jesus said to his disciples: "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Have
faith in God and faith in me. In my Father's house there are many dwelling
places; otherwise, how could I have told you that I was going to prepare a
place for you? I am indeed going to prepare a place for you, and then I
shall come back to take you with me, that where I am you also may be. You
know the way that leads where I go."
"Lord," said Thomas, "we do not know where you are going. How can we
know the way?" Jesus told him: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life;
no one comes to the Father but through me. If you really knew me, you would
now my Father also. From this point on you know him; you have seen him."
"Lord," Philip said to him, "show us the Father and that will be enough
for us." "Philip," Jesus replied, "after I have been with you all this time,
you still do no know me?"
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the
Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?
The words that I speak are not spoken of myself; it is the Father who lives
in me accomplishing his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works I do. I solemnly
assure you, the one who has faith in me will do the works I do, and greater
far than these. Why? Because I go to the Father."
[John 14z:1 - 12]
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
26 Jul 2007 09:20:08 PM |
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On Jul 26, 5:46 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185496331.919952.296530@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:08 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said "Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus
was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
That Steven would make you the first Christian who doesn't believe Jesus
is
God. Isn't that a requirement of the religion? Perhaps you have just
started a new branch of Christianity.
I believe Jesus was sent by God. Jesus said that himself, when he said
he was sent by his Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But I
don't believe he *is* God. I believe he is *of* God.
I interpret things differently...
"Jesus said to his disciples: "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Have
faith in God and faith in me. In my Father's house there are many dwelling
places; otherwise, how could I have told you that I was going to prepare a
place for you? I am indeed going to prepare a place for you, and then I
shall come back to take you with me, that where I am you also may be. You
know the way that leads where I go."
"Lord," said Thomas, "we do not know where you are going. How can we
know the way?" Jesus told him: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life;
no one comes to the Father but through me. If you really knew me, you would
now my Father also. From this point on you know him; you have seen him."
"Lord," Philip said to him, "show us the Father and that will be enough
for us." "Philip," Jesus replied, "after I have been with you all this time,
you still do no know me?"
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the
Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?
The words that I speak are not spoken of myself; it is the Father who lives
in me accomplishing his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works I do. I solemnly
assure you, the one who has faith in me will do the works I do, and greater
far than these. Why? Because I go to the Father."
[John 14z:1 - 12]
I didn't see your interpretation. Did you forget to post it? As for
the text you quoted above, the first thing I noticed was that Jesus
said, "Have faith in God and faith in me." He spoke of God, and he
spoke of himself. He did not say he was God. He spoke of his Father.
He said, "...I am in the Father and the Father is in me..." -- which
goes along with my thought that Jesus is the Son of God, and he is
*of* God.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
26 Jul 2007 10:36:18 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185502808.649946.317940@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:46 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185496331.919952.296530@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:08 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said
"Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus
was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where
Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son
of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
That Steven would make you the first Christian who doesn't believe
Jesus
is
God. Isn't that a requirement of the religion? Perhaps you have just
started a new branch of Christianity.
I believe Jesus was sent by God. Jesus said that himself, when he said
he was sent by his Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But I
don't believe he *is* God. I believe he is *of* God.
I interpret things differently...
"Jesus said to his disciples: "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Have
faith in God and faith in me. In my Father's house there are many
dwelling
places; otherwise, how could I have told you that I was going to prepare
a
place for you? I am indeed going to prepare a place for you, and then I
shall come back to take you with me, that where I am you also may be. You
know the way that leads where I go."
"Lord," said Thomas, "we do not know where you are going. How can we
know the way?" Jesus told him: "I am the way, and the truth, and the
life;
no one comes to the Father but through me. If you really knew me, you
would
now my Father also. From this point on you know him; you have seen him."
"Lord," Philip said to him, "show us the Father and that will be
enough
for us." "Philip," Jesus replied, "after I have been with you all this
time,
you still do no know me?"
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us
the
Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in
me?
The words that I speak are not spoken of myself; it is the Father who
lives
in me accomplishing his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works I do. I solemnly
assure you, the one who has faith in me will do the works I do, and
greater
far than these. Why? Because I go to the Father."
[John 14z:1 - 12]
I didn't see your interpretation. Did you forget to post it?
As a Catholic from birth, I interpret that the way all Catholics do.
Research about Catholics and you will find out. Don't you know anything
about the mysteries of 'Trinity'? Every day I discover how you are less
educated than I previously thought. It gives me joy to know what a pathetic
existence you must have!!!!
As for
the text you quoted above, the first thing I noticed was that Jesus
said, "Have faith in God and faith in me." He spoke of God, and he
spoke of himself. He did not say he was God. He spoke of his Father.
He said, "...I am in the Father and the Father is in me..." -- which
goes along with my thought that Jesus is the Son of God, and he is
*of* God.
Of course, you conveniently omitted the 'contradictory', second half of the
passage....
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26 Jul 2007 11:40:08 PM |
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On Jul 26, 8:36 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185502808.649946.317940@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:46 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185496331.919952.296530@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:08 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said
"Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above, Jesus
was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where
Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the 'son
of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself? Jesus
never said anything like that.
That Steven would make you the first Christian who doesn't believe
Jesus
is
God. Isn't that a requirement of the religion? Perhaps you have just
started a new branch of Christianity.
I believe Jesus was sent by God. Jesus said that himself, when he said
he was sent by his Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But I
don't believe he *is* God. I believe he is *of* God.
I interpret things differently...
"Jesus said to his disciples: "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Have
faith in God and faith in me. In my Father's house there are many
dwelling
places; otherwise, how could I have told you that I was going to prepare
a
place for you? I am indeed going to prepare a place for you, and then I
shall come back to take you with me, that where I am you also may be. You
know the way that leads where I go."
"Lord," said Thomas, "we do not know where you are going. How can we
know the way?" Jesus told him: "I am the way, and the truth, and the
life;
no one comes to the Father but through me. If you really knew me, you
would
now my Father also. From this point on you know him; you have seen him."
"Lord," Philip said to him, "show us the Father and that will be
enough
for us." "Philip," Jesus replied, "after I have been with you all this
time,
you still do no know me?"
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us
the
Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in
me?
The words that I speak are not spoken of myself; it is the Father who
lives
in me accomplishing his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works I do. I solemnly
assure you, the one who has faith in me will do the works I do, and
greater
far than these. Why? Because I go to the Father."
[John 14z:1 - 12]
I didn't see your interpretation. Did you forget to post it?
As a Catholic from birth, I interpret that the way all Catholics do.
Research about Catholics and you will find out. Don't you know anything
about the mysteries of 'Trinity'?
Yes, I know all about the Trinity. But I'm not Catholic. So what's
your point? Are you demanding that I must believe what Catholics
believe?
Every day I discover how you are less educated than I previously
thought.
I see. Because I'm not Catholic and don't believe what Catholics
believe, I'm uneducated? Hmm, interesting concept. Thoughtless, but
interesting nonetheless.
It gives me joy to know what a pathetic existence you must have!!!!
Really? That's how you get joy? Talk about pathetic!
As for
the text you quoted above, the first thing I noticed was that Jesus
said, "Have faith in God and faith in me." He spoke of God, and he
spoke of himself. He did not say he was God. He spoke of his Father.
He said, "...I am in the Father and the Father is in me..." -- which
goes along with my thought that Jesus is the Son of God, and he is
*of* God.
Of course, you conveniently omitted the 'contradictory', second half of the
passage....
No, I addressed all of it. If you have something specific you'd like
to mention, please do. I'll be happy to respond.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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27 Jul 2007 10:24:24 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 26, 8:36 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185502808.649946.317940@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:46 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185496331.919952.296530@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 5:08 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185467165.450943.101420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 9:05 am, Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:44?pm, Steven Douglas <dste...@flashmail.com>
wrote:
No, mukyuk dismissed God from his equation above, and said
"Jesus"
would do the dirty work. But in the words you quoted above,
Jesus
was
talking about God, not himself. Can you show me a quote where
Jesus
said HE would "do the dirty work," as mukyuk wrote?
Ah I understand. So, Jesus wasn't God at all then? Wasn't the
'son
of
God' which would of course made him a 'God' too.
I don't agree with people who equate Jesus with God. I believe
Jesus
was sent by God. But if Jesus actually *was* God, why did he have
to
pray to God? Why didn't he just tell himself what to do instead
of
asking God what to do? Why did he *quote* God in the Bible text
you
posted? Why didn't he just say he'd do the dirty work himself?
Jesus
never said anything like that.
That Steven would make you the first Christian who doesn't believe
Jesus
is
God. Isn't that a requirement of the religion? Perhaps you have
just
started a new branch of Christianity.
I believe Jesus was sent by God. Jesus said that himself, when he
said
he was sent by his Father. I believe Jesus is the Son of God. But I
don't believe he *is* God. I believe he is *of* God.
I interpret things differently...
"Jesus said to his disciples: "Do not let your hearts be troubled.
Have
faith in God and faith in me. In my Father's house there are many
dwelling
places; otherwise, how could I have told you that I was going to
prepare
a
place for you? I am indeed going to prepare a place for you, and then
I
shall come back to take you with me, that where I am you also may be.
You
know the way that leads where I go."
"Lord," said Thomas, "we do not know where you are going. How can
we
know the way?" Jesus told him: "I am the way, and the truth, and the
life;
no one comes to the Father but through me. If you really knew me, you
would
now my Father also. From this point on you know him; you have seen
him."
"Lord," Philip said to him, "show us the Father and that will be
enough
for us." "Philip," Jesus replied, "after I have been with you all this
time,
you still do no know me?"
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show
us
the
Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is
in
me?
The words that I speak are not spoken of myself; it is the Father who
lives
in me accomplishing his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and
the
Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works I do. I
solemnly
assure you, the one who has faith in me will do the works I do, and
greater
far than these. Why? Because I go to the Father."
[John 14z:1 - 12]
I didn't see your interpretation. Did you forget to post it?
As a Catholic from birth, I interpret that the way all Catholics do.
Research about Catholics and you will find out. Don't you know anything
about the mysteries of 'Trinity'?
Yes, I know all about the Trinity. But I'm not Catholic. So what's
your point? Are you demanding that I must believe what Catholics
believe?
Every day I discover how you are less educated than I previously
thought.
I see. Because I'm not Catholic and don't believe what Catholics
believe, I'm uneducated? Hmm, interesting concept. Thoughtless, but
interesting nonetheless.
It gives me joy to know what a pathetic existence you must have!!!!
Really? That's how you get joy?
YES!!!
Talk about pathetic!
Just like the God you believe? Did God not create evil so he could get
pleasure out of our suffering? Why did he create it then?
As for
the text you quoted above, the first thing I noticed was that Jesus
said, "Have faith in God and faith in me." He spoke of God, and he
spoke of himself. He did not say he was God. He spoke of his Father.
He said, "...I am in the Father and the Father is in me..." -- which
goes along with my thought that Jesus is the Son of God, and he is
*of* God.
Of course, you conveniently omitted the 'contradictory', second half of
the
passage....
No, I addressed all of it. If you have something specific you'd like
to mention, please do. I'll be happy to respond.
With another question right?
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 07:05:54 PM |
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On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in God,
neither do you.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 07:27:25 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in God,
neither do you.
If there is a God, nothing can exist without his knowing or intention. If
it did then he would not be God. Of course you are to stupid to see that!!!
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 07:48:22 PM |
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On Jul 27, 5:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185581154.242673.205650@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in God,
neither do you.
If there is a God, nothing can exist without his knowing or intention. If
it did then he would not be God. Of course you are to stupid to see that!!!
I believe God gave us free will. And since you don' t believe in God,
you wonder why he didn't just make us robots without free will.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 08:27:05 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185583702.282217.16720@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 5:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185581154.242673.205650@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in God,
neither do you.
If there is a God, nothing can exist without his knowing or intention.
If
it did then he would not be God. Of course you are to stupid to see
that!!!
I believe God gave us free will. And since you don' t believe in God,
you wonder why he didn't just make us robots without free will.
I do not believe in God as you believe it, but I do realize the spiritual
nature of reality. I believe life has a purpose and meaning and the power of
the Universe exists in all things. I find the argument that life goes on
after death logically compelling and I do not believe this world is an
'accident'. Still, these are just my thoughts and reasons. I would never
claim to know these things as facts. They are just beliefs and hunches.
I do not cling to other people's inventions and religions. These things were
invented by men. I believe in scientific and logical investigation and
personal truth rather than dogma.
I find you distastefull, not because you believe in God, but becuse you are
ignorant and stupid...quick to babble, but no experience or true knowledge
about anything in particular.
\\
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 08:59:26 PM |
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On Jul 27, 6:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185583702.282217.16720@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 5:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185581154.242673.205650@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in God,
neither do you.
If there is a God, nothing can exist without his knowing or intention.
If
it did then he would not be God. Of course you are to stupid to see
that!!!
I believe God gave us free will. And since you don' t believe in God,
you wonder why he didn't just make us robots without free will.
I do not believe in God as you believe it, but I do realize the spiritual
nature of reality. I believe life has a purpose and meaning and the power of
the Universe exists in all things. I find the argument that life goes on
after death logically compelling and I do not believe this world is an
'accident'. Still, these are just my thoughts and reasons. I would never
claim to know these things as facts. They are just beliefs and hunches.
I do not cling to other people's inventions and religions. These things were
invented by men. I believe in scientific and logical investigation and
personal truth rather than dogma.
I find you distastefull, not because you believe in God, but becuse you are
ignorant and stupid...quick to babble, but no experience or true knowledge
about anything in particular.
I find it particularly sad that you're so emotionally invested in
hating me -- to the point you find joy in hoping I'm miserable. On the
other hand, I barely give you a second thought. Do yourself a favor
and get a life.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 09:31:05 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185587966.705451.324230@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 6:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185583702.282217.16720@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 5:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185581154.242673.205650@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in
God,
neither do you.
If there is a God, nothing can exist without his knowing or intention.
If
it did then he would not be God. Of course you are to stupid to see
that!!!
I believe God gave us free will. And since you don' t believe in God,
you wonder why he didn't just make us robots without free will.
I do not believe in God as you believe it, but I do realize the spiritual
nature of reality. I believe life has a purpose and meaning and the power
of
the Universe exists in all things. I find the argument that life goes on
after death logically compelling and I do not believe this world is an
'accident'. Still, these are just my thoughts and reasons. I would never
claim to know these things as facts. They are just beliefs and hunches.
I do not cling to other people's inventions and religions. These things
were
invented by men. I believe in scientific and logical investigation and
personal truth rather than dogma.
I find you distastefull, not because you believe in God, but becuse you
are
ignorant and stupid...quick to babble, but no experience or true
knowledge
about anything in particular.
I find it particularly sad that you're so emotionally invested in
hating me -- to the point you find joy in hoping I'm miserable. On the
other hand, I barely give you a second thought. Do yourself a favor
and get a life.
If you saw someone eating poop, would it not bother you Steven? You are a
lying, killing wolf in sheeps clothing! You claim that no one here knows
you. The reason for that is because you are dishonest. If you were honest,
we would know who you are..
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 10:16:55 PM |
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On Jul 27, 7:31 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185587966.705451.324230@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 6:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185583702.282217.16720@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 5:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185581154.242673.205650@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in
God,
neither do you.
If there is a God, nothing can exist without his knowing or intention.
If
it did then he would not be God. Of course you are to stupid to see
that!!!
I believe God gave us free will. And since you don' t believe in God,
you wonder why he didn't just make us robots without free will.
I do not believe in God as you believe it, but I do realize the spiritual
nature of reality. I believe life has a purpose and meaning and the power
of
the Universe exists in all things. I find the argument that life goes on
after death logically compelling and I do not believe this world is an
'accident'. Still, these are just my thoughts and reasons. I would never
claim to know these things as facts. They are just beliefs and hunches.
I do not cling to other people's inventions and religions. These things
were
invented by men. I believe in scientific and logical investigation and
personal truth rather than dogma.
I find you distastefull, not because you believe in God, but becuse you
are
ignorant and stupid...quick to babble, but no experience or true
knowledge
about anything in particular.
I find it particularly sad that you're so emotionally invested in
hating me -- to the point you find joy in hoping I'm miserable. On the
other hand, I barely give you a second thought. Do yourself a favor
and get a life.
If you saw someone eating poop, would it not bother you Steven? You are a
lying, killing wolf in sheeps clothing! You claim that no one here knows
you. The reason for that is because you are dishonest. If you were honest,
we would know who you are..
Why are you so concerned with who I am? I could not care less who you
are.
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 10:36:51 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185592615.690142.137050@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 7:31 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185587966.705451.324230@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 6:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185583702.282217.16720@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 5:27 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185581154.242673.205650@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 27, 8:24 am, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
Did God not create evil so he could get pleasure out of our
suffering? Why did he create it then?
I don't believe God created evil. And since you don't believe in
God,
neither do you.
If there is a God, nothing can exist without his knowing or
intention.
If
it did then he would not be God. Of course you are to stupid to see
that!!!
I believe God gave us free will. And since you don' t believe in
God,
you wonder why he didn't just make us robots without free will.
I do not believe in God as you believe it, but I do realize the
spiritual
nature of reality. I believe life has a purpose and meaning and the
power
of
the Universe exists in all things. I find the argument that life goes
on
after death logically compelling and I do not believe this world is an
'accident'. Still, these are just my thoughts and reasons. I would
never
claim to know these things as facts. They are just beliefs and
hunches.
I do not cling to other people's inventions and religions. These
things
were
invented by men. I believe in scientific and logical investigation and
personal truth rather than dogma.
I find you distastefull, not because you believe in God, but becuse
you
are
ignorant and stupid...quick to babble, but no experience or true
knowledge
about anything in particular.
I find it particularly sad that you're so emotionally invested in
hating me -- to the point you find joy in hoping I'm miserable. On the
other hand, I barely give you a second thought. Do yourself a favor
and get a life.
If you saw someone eating poop, would it not bother you Steven? You are
a
lying, killing wolf in sheeps clothing! You claim that no one here knows
you. The reason for that is because you are dishonest. If you were
honest,
we would know who you are..
Why are you so concerned with who I am?
As I stated above but will repeat again. Reason being because you are like a
lump of poop in a public place! It needs to be 'cleaned up'!
I could not care less who you are.
Jesus taught we should care about others!
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| User: "mukyuk" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 10:41:05 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
I could not care less who you are.
Exactly what I've been trying to say all along. You don't care enough about
others. Besides, I remember once you once pretended to wish me hapiness,
now you could care less about me. Which is it?
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| User: "Docrodile" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 10:53:41 PM |
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"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:lVyqi.10994$fJ5.1396@pd7urf1no...
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
I could not care less who you are.
Exactly what I've been trying to say all along. You don't care enough
about others. Besides, I remember once you once pretended to wish me
hapiness, now you could care less about me. Which is it?
He claims he cares a whole lot for the downtrodden Mexican poor people,
though, but it's obvious he cares not a hair for the Iraqis slaughtered
and injured.
Cherry picks his *concern* for the people depending on whether his feigned
compassion will score him a few points in a debate. Improve his image, and
bolster his always insatiable ego. All he has to say is he's feeling much
sympathy or emphathy for some disadvantaged people somewhere, and then
hope we'll forget his long support for the mass killing and maiming Bush's
Iraq war brought upon innocent civilians.
Doc
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 11:52:56 PM |
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Docrodile wrote:
"mukyuk" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:lVyqi.10994$fJ5.1396@pd7urf1no...
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
I could not care less who you are.
Exactly what I've been trying to say all along. You don't care enough
about others. Besides, I remember once you once pretended to wish me
hapiness, now you could care less about me. Which is it?
He claims he cares a whole lot for the downtrodden Mexican poor people,
though, but it's obvious he cares not a hair for the Iraqis slaughtered
and injured.
Cherry picks his *concern* for the people depending on whether his feigned
compassion will score him a few points in a debate. Improve his image, and
bolster his always insatiable ego. All he has to say is he's feeling much
sympathy or emphathy for some disadvantaged people somewhere, and then
hope we'll forget his long support for the mass killing and maiming Bush's
Iraq war brought upon innocent civilians.
First of all, I thought you killfiled me. But like some of the other
ultra-fringe leftists who inhabit this place, first you killfile me,
and then you become even MORE obsessed with me than ever. Really a
strange phenomenon.
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| User: "Steven Douglas" |
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| Title: Re: To mukyuk..... |
27 Jul 2007 11:50:51 PM |
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On Jul 27, 8:41 pm, "mukyuk" <a...@b.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
I could not care less who you are.
Exactly what I've been trying to say all along. You don't care enough about
others.
You know nothing about me. Yet you make these false pronouncements as
if you're coming from some position of authority. It is you who is
dishonest and a liar.
Besides, I remember once you once pretended to wish me hapiness,
now you could care less about me. Which is it?
What you just wrote is another of your lies, liar. I did not say I
don't care *about* you. I have never said that, and I will never say
that. I only wish you all the happiness that you can find, while you
wish me dead. And you think you're the good person. How silly you are.
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