Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~
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13 Jan 2007 08:29:49 AM |
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<shastaman@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1168666240.908565.160680@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~
Per N.?
This is Peter's poetry...watering down the exact text, found here:
http://www.propheties.it/no/seconda%20centuria/c2q62.htm
Mabus then will soon die, there will come
of people and beasts a horrible defeat:
Then suddenly one will see vengeance,
hundred, hand, thirst, hunger when the comet will run
For perspective, this comet was seen with the naked eye accross the French
sky for two weeks when Napoleon died May 5, 1821 (related in French
newspapers who saw the soul of the ex-empreror waving good bye...
(Note: 'Mabus' stands for Manibus, latin for authority, power - 'Main', here
(omited in the lemesuriade) stands for troops, 'cent' relating to the
magnitude of the invasion army led by Bonaparte. Lemesurier prefers to
suibstitute an homonyme of 'cent" (sang) to fit his theories.)
J.
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13 Jan 2007 05:34:12 AM |
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<shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1168666240.908565.160680@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Saddam swung...yeah, yeah...and then...
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Bush announces more men to be sacrificed for easy targets...gunships open
fire in Somalia and kill some more muslims...yeah, okay...and...
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
I've been thirsty inexplicably all week, throat dry, and I can't seem to
get enough food the past few days, and my blood thinning med made a cut
run with blood too long yesterday that got me worried....
damn you, Nostradamus!!! ;)~
*shrug*
S~
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13 Jan 2007 05:10:10 AM |
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wrote:
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~
I always wonder why the fascination of C2Q62 clearly no Comet of any
significance and a race to identify the mabus character.
C II -Q62 Mabus puis alors mourra, viendra
De gens et bestes vne horrible defaite:
Puis tout =E0 coup la vengence on verra
Cent, main, soif, faim, quand courra la comete.
Soon after that Mabus shall then die. there shall be A horrible
destruction of men and beasts;
Then suddenly vengeance shall be seen. Bloody hand, thirst, hunger---
when the comet shall stream.
Line 1. 'Mabus' is not identified. It may be a typographical error,
perhaps for 'Malus' (The Evil One), or it may be an unsolved
concealment. Line 4. Reading the homonymous 'sang' (blood) instead of
'cent' (one hundred)
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14 Jan 2007 01:04:31 PM |
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wrote:
shastaman@my-deja.com wrote:
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~
I always wonder why the fascination of C2Q62 clearly no Comet of any
significance and a race to identify the mabus character.
since when does verse 4 have to occur at the same time or only relate
precisely to verse 1?
seems verse 3 and 4 follow 1 and 2
C II -Q62 Mabus puis alors mourra, viendra
De gens et bestes vne horrible defaite:
Puis tout =E0 coup la vengence on verra
Cent, main, soif, faim, quand courra la comete.
Soon after that Mabus shall then die. there shall be A horrible
destruction of men and beasts;
Then suddenly vengeance shall be seen. Bloody hand, thirst, hunger---
when the comet shall stream.
Line 1. 'Mabus' is not identified. It may be a typographical error,
perhaps for 'Malus' (The Evil One), or it may be an
or maybe its simply that morons like you are too stupid to properly
decipher his writings...
yup.
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14 Jan 2007 03:57:52 PM |
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nostradamus262 wrote:
leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au wrote:
shastaman@my-deja.com wrote:
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~
I always wonder why the fascination of C2Q62 clearly no Comet of any
significance and a race to identify the mabus character.
since when does verse 4 have to occur at the same time or only relate
precisely to verse 1?
seems verse 3 and 4 follow 1 and 2
Well explain it Brain box!
C II -Q62 Mabus puis alors mourra, viendra
De gens et bestes vne horrible defaite:
Puis tout =E0 coup la vengence on verra
Cent, main, soif, faim, quand courra la comete.
Soon after that Mabus shall then die. there shall be A horrible
destruction of men and beasts;
Then suddenly vengeance shall be seen. Bloody hand, thirst, hunger---
when the comet shall stream.
Line 1. 'Mabus' is not identified. It may be a typographical error,
perhaps for 'Malus' (The Evil One), or it may be an
or maybe its simply that morons like you are too stupid to properly
decipher his writings...
yup.
Oh yes and we have seen your neanderthalic take, and a schoolboy Howler
it is.
When are you going to get above your puerile efforts and show us
something instead of spreading crap?
LB
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25 Jan 2007 06:41:38 AM |
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On Jan 13, 11:10 am, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
shasta...@my-deja.com wrote:
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~I always wonder why the fascination of C2Q62 clearly no Comet of any
significance and a race to identify the mabus character.
FKING MORON
http://www.themoneytimes.com/articles/20070113/3rd_brightest_comet_in_70_years_flaunt_its_brilliance-id-102690.html
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/thread/267e142617387b63/423b361403df06f1?hl=en#423b361403df06f1
like i said
2 many morons around here adding more idiotic interpretations to the
muck
no wonder most people view MN as a failed seer...
they only look and judge him based on failed interpretations by these
kinds of morons
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25 Jan 2007 02:33:53 PM |
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On Jan 25, 10:41 pm, "nostradamus262" <matrixofma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 13, 11:10 am, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
shasta...@my-deja.com wrote:
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~I always wonder why the fascination of C2Q62 clearly no Comet of any
significance and a race to identify the mabus character.FKING MORON
http://www.themoneytimes.com/articles/20070113/3rd_brightest_comet_in...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/...
like i said
2 many morons around here adding more idiotic interpretations to the
muck
no wonder most people view MN as a failed seer...
they only look and judge him based on failed interpretations by these
kinds of morons
Well Judgement from your kind of mono syllabic utterings of your
interpretation Dearie is well to put it mildly bereft of serious study,
and smacks more of Trollism than any intelligent interface, we note no
defence of your position.
Mr Leoni has your position:
No one could rightly claim that the meaning of the quatrains is always
quite apparent. However, the common view that they either have no
meaning at all, or have a meaning so equivocal that they can be applied
to almost anything, is far from true. To a large extent, this view has
been strengthened by Nostradamus' greatest propagandists who, in an
effort to glorify his name, have twisted many prophecies to an
application for which they could never have been intended, thus serving
only, to discredit him.
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26 Jan 2007 08:21:46 AM |
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Recently, our resident Aussie Troll, unable to comment for
himself Nostradamus' texts (which he can't read), came up with a
rather interesting quote, allegedly from Edgar Leoni:
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'No one could rightly claim that the meaning of the quatrains is
always quite apparent. However, the common view that they either
have no meaning at all, or have a meaning so equivocal that they
can be applied to almost anything, is far from true. To a large
extent, this view has been strengthened by Nostradamus' greatest
propagandists who, in an effort to glorify his name, have twisted
many prophecies to an application for which they could never have
been intended, thus serving only, to discredit him.'
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Quite a mouthful.
*
First, no one needs to discredit Nostradamus amongst the French
rationalist crowd. For them, Nostradamus is ridiculous to start
with. No need to read him, even. Just make fun of him, that's
good enough.
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The first sentence above is the truest: 'No one could rightly
claim that the meaning of the quatrains is always quite
apparent.'
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Well, then, if it is not apparent, what's wrong with calling it
for what it is? I call it 'meaningful gobbledygook'. A succession
of words which can (if you twist them hard enough) eventually
yield a meaning when taken individually; this accounts for the
'meaningful'.
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As to the 'gobbledygook', only those who are sufficiently
familiar with the French language can see that this succession of
(eventually) meaningful words is mostly linguistic, logical,
grammatical, pure, nonsense. The miracle is that so many
commentators have succeeded, after the fact, in identifying what
this meaningful gobbledygook was about, after all.
*
Those who say that these texts 'can be applied to almost
anything' are, of course, very wrong. In almost every poem, there
is always an element which does not fit 'almost anything'. In
fact, it only fits what Nostradamus intended to fit, namely, the
events he was obscurely referring to.
*
As to the view that Nostradamus' texts 'have no meaning at all',
it is fascinating to see, spread over 400 years, the very same
view, utterred by the very same rationalist crowd. And yet, for
more than 400 years, the main events of human history keep
popping up in these hitherto vague and obscure texts.
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A very interesting phenomenon. Made up by those who read
Nostradamus, some say? Made up by Nostradamus, I say.
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Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille
January 26, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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26 Jan 2007 03:53:55 PM |
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On Jan 27, 12:21 am, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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Recently, our resident Aussie Troll, unable to comment for
himself Nostradamus' texts (which he can't read), came up with a
rather interesting quote, allegedly from Edgar Leoni:
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'No one could rightly claim that the meaning of the quatrains is
always quite apparent. However, the common view that they either
have no meaning at all, or have a meaning so equivocal that they
can be applied to almost anything, is far from true. To a large
extent, this view has been strengthened by Nostradamus' greatest
propagandists who, in an effort to glorify his name, have twisted
many prophecies to an application for which they could never have
been intended, thus serving only, to discredit him.'
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Quite a mouthful.
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Yes but to even attempt something so well written, that a schoolboy
could understand would be very hard.
So why try to repeat that which is explanatory, Mr Nostradamus' fans
it would seem have less intelligence than a schoolboy.
After feeding pigs pearls what can you expect?
Well just check some of the postings here, Dickheads trying to
pre-guess a rather smart operator, if Nostradamus could get his verses
past the Inquisition, one can only assume that their descendants (the
Inquisitors) are posting here!
LB
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26 Jan 2007 11:45:40 AM |
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Although, I don't believe Nostradamus is authentic, this is rather
coincidental. We have just had Saddam, who's name reversed is Mabbas -
and we do have the brightest comet in several decades - close to the
horizon, and unless one gets up early in the mornings of early January,
u wouldn't see it - and now it's visible in the Southern
Hemisphere...and further, it seems that the Sunnis are thirsting for
revenge after Saddam's hanging (seen as a heroic death in the face of
taunting Shi'ites), just as Israel, and the U.S. are thinking of
extending the war to Iran...Another Aircraft carrier group to the Gulf,
a commitment to expand the losing war in Afghanistan. The list goes
on, and on. Yep. A real mess.
This verse fits like a glove.
On Jan 13, 12:30 am, "shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~
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26 Jan 2007 02:20:19 PM |
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As there seems to remain a little confusion in some people's
minds as to what constitutes an anagram and what constitutes a
cryptic anagram, let's look at quatrain II-62 with this in mind:
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--------------- C E N T V R I E___S E C O N D E. -------------
----------------------- (édition de 1555) --------------------
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---- 62 - Mabus puis tost alors mourra,viendra ---------------
--------- De gens & bestes vne horrible defaite: -------------
--------- Puis tout à coup la vengence on verra --------------
--------- Cent,main,soif,faim,quand courra la comete. --------
*
Some people here seem to think that the word 'Mabus' in line 1 is
an anagram, or a cryptic anagram, of someone's name. Let's see.
*
To be an anagram, a straight anagram, the word MABUS would have
to have ALL of its letters used in the name of someone else. For
instance, the name MUSAB contains all the letters of this MABUS.
Problemo: in French, MOUSSAB is spelled... MOUSSAB, not MUSAB.
And Nostradamus is not generally known to have written in
American English! :-)
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To be a cryptic anagram, the word MABUS would have to have ALL of
its letters EXCEPT ONE used in the formation of the name of
someone else. For instance, had the name SADDAM been written
SUDAM, the cryptic anagram might have been valid. The letter D of
SUDAM having been substituted for the letter B of MABUS.
*
So, those who keep insisting that MABUS has something to do with
Saddam Hussein and who link his hanging to the comet seen in
January 2007 ought to look at what Nostradamus writes about this
comet. It is *a running comet* and comets don't run in the sky,
they are just there to be observed.
*
But there are a few man-made objects which, like comets, leave a
trail, but which, unlike comets, run in the sky. One of those
objects just happens to be an intercontinental ballistic missile
launched to avenge the murder on Tienanmen Square of seventy-nine
diplomats of the United States of America posted in Beijing, on
Sunday, August 13, 2017.
*
Problemo: The missile has been properly launched but... has not
been properly targeted. Result: Instead of hitting Tienanmen, the
intended target, it hits the place de la Concorde, in Paris, at
3:53 am on the same day.
*
Which might mean that the then US Ambassador to Beijing is
named... Mabus. Which in turn might explain why his death
referred to in line 1, triggers the vengeance referred to in line
3, the indiscriminate death of men and beasts referred to in line
2, and the agony by thirst and hunger of the temporary survivors
(three quarters of the 3,000,000 Paris deaths) of the
thermonuclear blast, referred to in line 4.
*
When does this happen? When the comet shall run, i.e., when the
ICBM shall hit Paris, as per line 4.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
Claude Latrémouille
January 26, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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27 Jan 2007 03:52:56 PM |
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On Jan 27, 6:20 am, (Claude Latremouille)=20
wrote:
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As there seems to remain a little confusion in some people's
minds as to what constitutes an anagram and what constitutes a
cryptic anagram, let's look at quatrain II-62 with this in mind:
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--------------- C E N T V R I E___S E C O N D E. -------------
----------------------- (=E9dition de 1555) --------------------
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---- 62 - Mabus puis tost alors mourra,viendra ---------------
--------- De gens & bestes vne horrible defaite: -------------
--------- Puis tout =E0 coup la vengence on verra --------------
--------- Cent,main,soif,faim,quand courra la comete. --------
*
Some people here seem to think that the word 'Mabus' in line 1 is
an anagram, or a cryptic anagram, of someone's name. Let's see.
*
To be an anagram, a straight anagram, the word MABUS would have
to have ALL of its letters used in the name of someone else. For
instance, the name MUSAB contains all the letters of this MABUS.
Problemo: in French, MOUSSAB is spelled... MOUSSAB, not MUSAB.
And Nostradamus is not generally known to have written in
American English! :-)
*
To be a cryptic anagram, the word MABUS would have to have ALL of
its letters EXCEPT ONE used in the formation of the name of
someone else. For instance, had the name SADDAM been written
SUDAM, the cryptic anagram might have been valid. The letter D of
SUDAM having been substituted for the letter B of MABUS.
*
So, those who keep insisting that MABUS has something to do with
Saddam Hussein and who link his hanging to the comet seen in
January 2007 ought to look at what Nostradamus writes about this
comet. It is *a running comet* and comets don't run in the sky,
they are just there to be observed.
*
But there are a few man-made objects which, like comets, leave a
trail, but which, unlike comets, run in the sky. One of those
objects just happens to be an intercontinental ballistic missile
launched to avenge the murder on Tienanmen Square of seventy-nine
diplomats of the United States of America posted in Beijing, on
Sunday, August 13, 2017.
*
Problemo: The missile has been properly launched but... has not
been properly targeted. Result: Instead of hitting Tienanmen, the
intended target, it hits the place de la Concorde, in Paris, at
3:53 am on the same day.
*
Which might mean that the then US Ambassador to Beijing is
named... Mabus. Which in turn might explain why his death
referred to in line 1, triggers the vengeance referred to in line
3, the indiscriminate death of men and beasts referred to in line
2, and the agony by thirst and hunger of the temporary survivors
(three quarters of the 3,000,000 Paris deaths) of the
thermonuclear blast, referred to in line 4.
*
When does this happen? When the comet shall run, i.e., when the
ICBM shall hit Paris, as per line 4.
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Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille
January 26, 2007http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Oh yes nearly coherent pushing his own wheeelbarrow of "Fabrications"
"Some people here seem to think that the word 'Mabus' in line 1 is
an anagram, or a cryptic anagram, of someone's name. Let's see.
*
To be an anagram, a straight anagram, the word MABUS would have
to have ALL of its letters used in the name of someone else. Known as=20
the perfect anagram, however that benchmarker and famed cryptologist=20
Leoni, observed:
Although the perfect anagram required the use of the same letters,
***Nostradamus seems to have allowed himself the change of one letter,=20
but never more than one.***
Similar to the use of anagrams is the rise of enigmas. Prominent=20
amongst these are Aenobarbe, which means Bronzebeard but is also the=20
family name the of Antichrist Nero, symbol of pagan wickedness
For instance, the name MUSAB contains all the letters of this MABUS.
Problemo: in French, MOUSSAB is spelled... MOUSSAB, not MUSAB.
And Nostradamus is not generally known to have written in
American English! :-)
Here we go no matter how the word is spelt what is put down is what=20
one has to deal with, So mabus is the 5 letters that are given in this=20
case.
But again as Mr Le Mesurier also observed
- a French, moreover, that was positively stuffed with terms and=20
constructions drawn straight academic from the classics. Far from=20
being an isolated, maverick academic- using as he is so often=20
portrayed, Nostradamus was in fact merely using the linguistic=20
technology of the moment. The only difference was that in his case he=20
was using it not merely to enrich the French language, but at one and=20
the same time to cloak his meaning from the ignorant and uneducated -=20
a largely accidental side-effect that nevertheless suited his=20
prophetic purposes down to the ground (compare his specific quotation=20
of the highly apposite Matthew 7: in section 2 of the Preface a Cesar,=20
in The Major Prophecies). All this is not to say, though, that=20
Nostradamus's verses were "really" in Latin or Greek, as is equally=20
often asserted. That would, have been entirely contrary to the=20
founding principles of the Pleiade.
And again:
Certainly the seer was alive to the fact that ignorance was the enemy=20
of his prophetic cause. But then even more so, perhaps, was semi-
ignorance. The problem was not merely that the uneducated would not be=20
able to understand his verses, but that the semi educated might think=20
that they could. Largely ignorant of mythology, history, and even=20
French grammar, they would imagine that, merely because they could=20
read and write, they were entitled to read into his predictions=20
absolutely anything that currently took their fancy, so demonstrating=20
the truth of the old adage that "a little knowledge is a dangerous=20
thing." (One has only to look at the current literature on Nostradamus=20
to appreciate the justness of the prophet's fears.) Well might he,=20
then, make his prophecies as obtuse as possible.
True, this might merely succeed in provoking the Nostradamaniacs even=20
more. Denied predictions of a more obvious kind, they might now be=20
tempted to use his verses simply as one might read tea leaves in a=20
cup. But at least saner commentators would then be able to point out=20
the fact and remind the worried non reading public that "you can read=20
anything you like into Nostradamus." Indeed, this assertion is all too=20
familiar in our own day.
On the one hand, then, crass credulity on the part of the ignorant, on=20
the other, dismissive rejection on the part of the unknowing.=20
Meanwhile the only people who would stand the slightest chance of=20
finding out what the French seer really did mean would be educated=20
people - scholars, even - who were prepared quietly to analyze his=20
actual words and all their myriad references for what they actually=20
said.
As, with the Bible, then, the only person qualified to interpret any=20
individual verse of the Nostradamian Propheties is a linguistic and=20
cultural scholar who has already studied and analyzed the whole opus=20
from a totally dispassionate viewpoint. Needless to say, there are not=20
many such Respected academics, fearful of their reputations, usually=20
refuse to touch Nostradamus with a barge-pole, while most of those who=20
Would rush in to fill the vacuum not only with, all-too-obvious=20
philosophical eschatological, or commercial axes to grind but often=20
lack the basic linguistic qualifications to carry out the task in the=20
first place.
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To be a cryptic anagram, the word MABUS would have to have ALL of
its letters EXCEPT ONE used in the formation of the name of
someone else. For instance, had the name SADDAM been written
SUDAM, the cryptic anagram might have been valid. The letter D of
SUDAM having been substituted for the letter B of MABUS. "
Sorry it cannot be valid the letter U takes it off the line.
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On Jan 28, 7:52 am, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"=20
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Jan 27, 6:20 am, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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As there seems to remain a little confusion in some people's
minds as to what constitutes an anagram and what constitutes a
cryptic anagram, let's look at quatrain II-62 with this in mind:
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--------------- C E N T V R I E___S E C O N D E. -------------
----------------------- (=E9dition de 1555) --------------------
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---- 62 - Mabus puis tost alors mourra,viendra ---------------
--------- De gens & bestes vne horrible defaite: -------------
--------- Puis tout =E0 coup la vengence on verra --------------
--------- Cent,main,soif,faim,quand courra la comete. --------
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Some people here seem to think that the word 'Mabus' in line 1 is
an anagram, or a cryptic anagram, of someone's name. Let's see.
*
To be an anagram, a straight anagram, the word MABUS would have
to have ALL of its letters used in the name of someone else. For
instance, the name MUSAB contains all the letters of this MABUS.
Problemo: in French, MOUSSAB is spelled... MOUSSAB, not MUSAB.
And Nostradamus is not generally known to have written in
American English! :-)
*
To be a cryptic anagram, the word MABUS would have to have ALL of
its letters EXCEPT ONE used in the formation of the name of
someone else. For instance, had the name SADDAM been written
SUDAM, the cryptic anagram might have been valid. The letter D of
SUDAM having been substituted for the letter B of MABUS.
*
So, those who keep insisting that MABUS has something to do with
Saddam Hussein and who link his hanging to the comet seen in
January 2007 ought to look at what Nostradamus writes about this
comet. It is *a running comet* and comets don't run in the sky,
they are just there to be observed.
*
But there are a few man-made objects which, like comets, leave a
trail, but which, unlike comets, run in the sky. One of those
objects just happens to be an intercontinental ballistic missile
launched to avenge the murder on Tienanmen Square of seventy-nine
diplomats of the United States of America posted in Beijing, on
Sunday, August 13, 2017.
*
Problemo: The missile has been properly launched but... has not
been properly targeted. Result: Instead of hitting Tienanmen, the
intended target, it hits the place de la Concorde, in Paris, at
3:53 am on the same day.
*
Which might mean that the then US Ambassador to Beijing is
named... Mabus. Which in turn might explain why his death
referred to in line 1, triggers the vengeance referred to in line
3, the indiscriminate death of men and beasts referred to in line
2, and the agony by thirst and hunger of the temporary survivors
(three quarters of the 3,000,000 Paris deaths) of the
thermonuclear blast, referred to in line 4.
*
When does this happen? When the comet shall run, i.e., when the
ICBM shall hit Paris, as per line 4.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille
January 26, 2007http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DOh yes nearly coherent pushing his own wheeelbarrow of "F=
abrications"
"Some people here seem to think that the word 'Mabus' in line 1 is
an anagram, or a cryptic anagram, of someone's name. Let's see.
*
To be an anagram, a straight anagram, the word MABUS would have
to have ALL of its letters used in the name of someone else. Known as
the perfect anagram, however that benchmarker and famed cryptologist
Leoni, observed:
Although the perfect anagram required the use of the same letters,
***Nostradamus seems to have allowed himself the change of one letter,
but never more than one.***
Similar to the use of anagrams is the rise of enigmas. Prominent
amongst these are Aenobarbe, which means Bronzebeard but is also the
family name the of Antichrist Nero, symbol of pagan wickedness
For instance, the name MUSAB contains all the letters of this MABUS.
Problemo: in French, MOUSSAB is spelled... MOUSSAB, not MUSAB.
And Nostradamus is not generally known to have written in
American English! :-)
Here we go no matter how the word is spelt what is put down is what
one has to deal with, So mabus is the 5 letters that are given in this
case.
But again as Mr Le Mesurier also observed
- a French, moreover, that was positively stuffed with terms and
constructions drawn straight academic from the classics. Far from
being an isolated, maverick academic- using as he is so often
portrayed, Nostradamus was in fact merely using the linguistic
technology of the moment. The only difference was that in his case he
was using it not merely to enrich the French language, but at one and
the same time to cloak his meaning from the ignorant and uneducated -
a largely accidental side-effect that nevertheless suited his
prophetic purposes down to the ground (compare his specific quotation
of the highly apposite Matthew 7: in section 2 of the Preface a Cesar,
in The Major Prophecies). All this is not to say, though, that
Nostradamus's verses were "really" in Latin or Greek, as is equally
often asserted. That would, have been entirely contrary to the
founding principles of the Pleiade.
And again:
Certainly the seer was alive to the fact that ignorance was the enemy
of his prophetic cause. But then even more so, perhaps, was semi-
ignorance. The problem was not merely that the uneducated would not be
able to understand his verses, but that the semi educated might think
that they could. Largely ignorant of mythology, history, and even
French grammar, they would imagine that, merely because they could
read and write, they were entitled to read into his predictions
absolutely anything that currently took their fancy, so demonstrating
the truth of the old adage that "a little knowledge is a dangerous
thing." (One has only to look at the current literature on Nostradamus
to appreciate the justness of the prophet's fears.) Well might he,
then, make his prophecies as obtuse as possible.
True, this might merely succeed in provoking the Nostradamaniacs even
more. Denied predictions of a more obvious kind, they might now be
tempted to use his verses simply as one might read tea leaves in a
cup. But at least saner commentators would then be able to point out
the fact and remind the worried non reading public that "you can read
anything you like into Nostradamus." Indeed, this assertion is all too
familiar in our own day.
On the one hand, then, crass credulity on the part of the ignorant, on
the other, dismissive rejection on the part of the unknowing.
Meanwhile the only people who would stand the slightest chance of
finding out what the French seer really did mean would be educated
people - scholars, even - who were prepared quietly to analyze his
actual words and all their myriad references for what they actually
said.
As, with the Bible, then, the only person qualified to interpret any
individual verse of the Nostradamian Propheties is a linguistic and
cultural scholar who has already studied and analyzed the whole opus
from a totally dispassionate viewpoint. Needless to say, there are not
many such Respected academics, fearful of their reputations, usually
refuse to touch Nostradamus with a barge-pole, while most of those who
Would rush in to fill the vacuum not only with, all-too-obvious
philosophical eschatological, or commercial axes to grind but often
lack the basic linguistic qualifications to carry out the task in the
first place.
*
To be a cryptic anagram, the word MABUS would have to have ALL of
its letters EXCEPT ONE used in the formation of the name of
someone else. For instance, had the name SADDAM been written
SUDAM, the cryptic anagram might have been valid. The letter D of
SUDAM having been substituted for the letter B of MABUS. "
Sorry it cannot be valid the letter U takes it off the line.- Hide quoted=
text -- Show quoted text -
Er sorry misssed a bit and of course reference of said inserted text
Well it is from PLM's Nostradamus Encyclopedia, and the bit I missed=20
is one of probably one of the most important considerations when=20
approaching the said work of Nostadamus:
***
In Nostradamus, however, there is always a tug-of-war between the=20
amount of information that he urgently needs to convey and the space=20
available to express it in. In a greater poet this tension often has a=20
refining tendency - as in the case of the typical sonnet or Japanese=20
haiku, for example. But then sonneteers, and composers of haiku are=20
rarely burdened with the need to convey much in the way of factual=20
information. In Nostradamus, on the other hand, this consideration is=20
paramount - and consequently the demands of the poetry tend to come=20
off very much the worse in the resulting conflict.
***
As a result, not only does breadth of imagery tend to get relegated=20
very much to the sidelines, but the seer often finds himself running=20
out of room in the last line of a verse. Faced with the inevitable, he=20
then resorts to crude abbreviations and rank telegrammese.
We note also line 4 is one of the most problematic, not line 1 which=20
usually gives the theme.
LB
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I never mentioned "anagram", period. As far as I know, there is no
confusion, and who asked for lessons on the obvious? The verse is apt,
the similarities in Saddam, and Mabus is self evident. Nostradamus did
not constrain himself with Anagrams, despite, the so-called "experts"
opinions. Having said that, one of the biggest dunces re' Nostradamus
is Guernon, the "Village Idiot"...We don't need fools to interpret
prophecies. If a prophecy is true, it will be realized at the time, or
after the fact, as normally, the "experts", are almost universally off
the track - As seems to be the case here as well.
On Jan 26, 12:45 pm, "eric" <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
Although, I don't believe Nostradamus is authentic, this is rather
coincidental. We have just had Saddam, who's name reversed is Mabbas -
and we do have the brightest comet in several decades - close to the
horizon, and unless one gets up early in the mornings of early January,
u wouldn't see it - and now it's visible in the Southern
Hemisphere...and further, it seems that the Sunnis are thirsting for
revenge after Saddam's hanging (seen as a heroic death in the face of
taunting Shi'ites), just as Israel, and the U.S. are thinking of
extending the war to Iran...Another Aircraft carrier group to the Gulf,
a commitment to expand the losing war in Afghanistan. The list goes
on, and on. Yep. A real mess.
This verse fits like a glove.
On Jan 13, 12:30 am, "shasta...@my-deja.com" <shasta...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
Per N. via Peter:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
S~
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27 Jan 2007 03:27:58 PM |
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On Jan 27, 3:45 am, "eric" <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
Although, I don't believe Nostradamus is authentic, this is rather
coincidental. We have just had Saddam, who's name reversed is Mabbas -
and we do have the brightest comet in several decades - close to the
horizon, and unless one gets up early in the mornings of early January,
u wouldn't see it - and now it's visible in the Southern
Hemisphere...and further, it seems that the Sunnis are thirsting for
revenge after Saddam's hanging (seen as a heroic death in the face of
taunting Shi'ites), just as Israel, and the U.S. are thinking of
extending the war to Iran...Another Aircraft carrier group to the Gulf,
a commitment to expand the losing war in Afghanistan. The list goes
on, and on. Yep. A real mess.
This verse fits like a glove.
"We have just had Saddam, who's name reversed is Mabbas -
Sorry Son it is not, or perhaps you can demonstate just how it does?
maddas
and we do have the brightest comet in several decades - close to the
horizon, and unless one gets up early in the mornings of early January,"
Yes every comet or bit of debris is cited ad finitum as "THE COMET OF
NOSTRADAMUS" now the comet (aka the killer comet) collides with Earth,
and the Mabus character just has not shown up yet.
Saddam has his own Quatrain see C8Q70 with good orthography and
translation!
LB
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27 Jan 2007 05:13:45 PM |
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never said it was an anagram, did I. But regardless, reverse Saddam,
and u do get mabbas. of course u need to reverse the d's
as well, in order to get b's. That is self evident, and obvious.
Nostradmus used many techniques including plays on words, and
spelling.
On Jan 27, 4:27 pm, "leigh8...@optusnet.com.au"
<leigh8...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Jan 27, 3:45 am, "eric" <ericdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
Although, I don't believe Nostradamus is authentic, this is rather
coincidental. We have just had Saddam, who's name reversed is Mabbas -
and we do have the brightest comet in several decades - close to the
horizon, and unless one gets up early in the mornings of early January,
u wouldn't see it - and now it's visible in the Southern
Hemisphere...and further, it seems that the Sunnis are thirsting for
revenge after Saddam's hanging (seen as a heroic death in the face of
taunting Shi'ites), just as Israel, and the U.S. are thinking of
extending the war to Iran...Another Aircraft carrier group to the Gulf,
a commitment to expand the losing war in Afghanistan. The list goes
on, and on. Yep. A real mess.
This verse fits like a glove."We have just had Saddam, who's name reversed is Mabbas -
Sorry Son it is not, or perhaps you can demonstate just how it does?
maddas
and we do have the brightest comet in several decades - close to the
horizon, and unless one gets up early in the mornings of early January,"Yes every comet or bit of debris is cited ad finitum as "THE COMET OF
NOSTRADAMUS" now the comet (aka the killer comet) collides with Earth,
and the Mabus character just has not shown up yet.
Saddam has his own Quatrain see C8Q70 with good orthography and
translation!
LB
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15 Jan 2007 10:48:02 AM |
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On 12 Jan 2007 21:30:41 -0800, "shastaman@my-deja.com"
<shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
Many opinions. Here's another one. You be the judge.
http://www.nostradamusquatrains.com/Century2/Quatrain62.htm
--
Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!
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The Curse of Tecumseh
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/curse.htm
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15 Jan 2007 01:02:43 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:48:02 +0100, Lone Ranger
<snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> asked the question above.
*
An answer could be: yes he did but, as usual, in a very obscure
manner. In fact, in a manner which allows his text to be
understood only after the fact or, at best, only after events
have begun to happen.
*
Which events?
*
First, there is a need for the State of Israel to be recognized
and accepted by her neigbours. Second, it also is necessary for
Saddam to attack Israel. Third, it is also useful to understand
Saddam's overthrow as a sequel to the second event. With these
three, quatrain VIII-96 begins to make sense.
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___H V I T I E M E. ------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
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--------------------------- X C V I. -------------------------
--------- La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit ----------------
--------- Sera receu entre les infideles ---------------------
--------- De Babylon la fille du porsuit ---------------------
--------- Misere & triste luy trenchera les aisles. ----------
*
Four lines of meaningful gobbledygook. Each and every word taken
separately makes some sense, but the total poem is perfectly
ridiculous and makes no coherent sense at all.
*
After the fact, after Israel is given international recognition
as a State located in the midst of Muslim countries, after
decades of Palestinian resistance against the new State, after a
reversal by a Palestinian leader who finally recognizes Israel,
after Babylon (Iraq) has been in the news for a few more decades,
things begin to make a little more sense, but ONLY AFTER THE
FACT.
*
The passage of time allows for a decyphered version to be
discovered, one dealing with the Iraqi attitude towards Israel:
when a UN coalition attempts to repel the Iraqi invasion of
Kuwait, Iraq fires a number of Scud missiles towards Israel, in
the expectation that Israel would retaliate (as per her custom),
thus shattering the fragile UN coalition (which then included a
few Arab States) put together by the US. First miscalculation by
Iraq: Israel did not retaliate. The coalition survived.
*
Second miscalculation by Iraq: it is the US which would deal with
Iraq not Israel. Saddam was overthrown, went into hiding, was
betrayed to US forces, was captured, tried, sentenced and
executed. This is the subject of a decyphered version of VIII-96:
*
--------- Hussein (le tyran qui n'a eu le fol atome ----------
--------- afin de le tirer dessus Israël) --------------------
--------- sera pendu, car le fol idiot luy -------------------
--------- auoit tiré très laschement des missyles. -----------
*
Nostradamus links Iraq's failed attempt to produce nuclear
weapons (1981), the cowardly Iraqi attacks upon Israel (1991) and
the ensuing invasion of Iraq (2003) by a much narrower coalition
led by the US, not the UN, such invasion having led to Saddam's
miserable fate. Yes indeed, he got his wings clipped!
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille
January 15, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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15 Jan 2007 01:45:07 PM |
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"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> a écrit dans le message de
news: eogj4j$ntv$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:48:02 +0100, Lone Ranger
<snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> asked the question above.
*
An answer could be: yes he did but, as usual, in a very obscure
manner. In fact, in a manner which allows his text to be
understood only after the fact or, at best, only after events
have begun to happen.
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Which events?
*
First, there is a need for the State of Israel to be recognized
and accepted by her neigbours. [SNIP]
Exactly. WHEN this will happen we shall see what the wing clipping is about.
One could argue that it could be about Saddam, especially if this acceptance
is about to occur, which is far from obvious.
But it seems to me that clipping it's wings is not killing the "bird".
Maybe we will perceive it in another way, more collective, once the event of
this recognition (which you seem to pretend has happened), will take place.
J.
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15 Jan 2007 03:22:27 PM |
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Claude Latremouille wrote:
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:48:02 +0100, Lone Ranger
<snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> asked the question above.
*
An answer could be: yes he did but, as usual, in a very obscure
manner. In fact, in a manner which allows his text to be
understood only after the fact or, at best, only after events
have begun to happen.
*
Which events?
*
First, there is a need for the State of Israel to be recognized
and accepted by her neigbours. Second, it also is necessary for
Saddam to attack Israel. Third, it is also useful to understand
Saddam's overthrow as a sequel to the second event. With these
three, quatrain VIII-96 begins to make sense.
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___H V I T I E M E. ------------
------------------ (=E9dition pr=E9tendue de 1568) ---------------
*
--------------------------- X C V I. -------------------------
--------- La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit ----------------
--------- Sera receu entre les infideles ---------------------
--------- De Babylon la fille du porsuit ---------------------
--------- Misere & triste luy trenchera les aisles. ----------
*
Four lines of meaningful gobbledygook. Each and every word taken
separately makes some sense, but the total poem is perfectly
ridiculous and makes no coherent sense at all.
*
After the fact, after Israel is given international recognition
as a State located in the midst of Muslim countries, after
decades of Palestinian resistance against the new State, after a
reversal by a Palestinian leader who finally recognizes Israel,
after Babylon (Iraq) has been in the news for a few more decades,
things begin to make a little more sense, but ONLY AFTER THE
FACT.
*
The passage of time allows for a decyphered version to be
discovered, one dealing with the Iraqi attitude towards Israel:
when a UN coalition attempts to repel the Iraqi invasion of
Kuwait, Iraq fires a number of Scud missiles towards Israel, in
the expectation that Israel would retaliate (as per her custom),
thus shattering the fragile UN coalition (which then included a
few Arab States) put together by the US. First miscalculation by
Iraq: Israel did not retaliate. The coalition survived.
*
Second miscalculation by Iraq: it is the US which would deal with
Iraq not Israel. Saddam was overthrown, went into hiding, was
betrayed to US forces, was captured, tried, sentenced and
executed. This is the subject of a decyphered version of VIII-96:
*
--------- Hussein (le tyran qui n'a eu le fol atome ----------
--------- afin de le tirer dessus Isra=EBl) --------------------
--------- sera pendu, car le fol idiot luy -------------------
--------- auoit tir=E9 tr=E8s laschement des missyles. -----------
*
Nostradamus links Iraq's failed attempt to produce nuclear
weapons (1981), the cowardly Iraqi attacks upon Israel (1991) and
the ensuing invasion of Iraq (2003) by a much narrower coalition
led by the US, not the UN, such invasion having led to Saddam's
miserable fate. Yes indeed, he got his wings clipped!
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille
January 15, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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As usual a rather poor attempt at interpreting a rhyme that by his own
admission is beyond him.
Just because Babylon is mentioned it is assumed it is Iraq but Babylon
is also a metaphor, the rhyme basically gives the fate of the Jewish
nation or how it is subsumed by the Arab nations surrounding it .
LB
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<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
1168896146.965518.112200@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Claude Latremouille wrote:
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:48:02 +0100, Lone Ranger
<snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> asked the question above.
*
An answer could be: yes he did but, as usual, in a very obscure
manner. In fact, in a manner which allows his text to be
understood only after the fact or, at best, only after events
have begun to happen.
*
Which events?
*
First, there is a need for the State of Israel to be recognized
and accepted by her neigbours. Second, it also is necessary for
Saddam to attack Israel. Third, it is also useful to understand
Saddam's overthrow as a sequel to the second event. With these
three, quatrain VIII-96 begins to make sense.
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___H V I T I E M E. ------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
*
--------------------------- X C V I. -------------------------
--------- La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit ----------------
--------- Sera receu entre les infideles ---------------------
--------- De Babylon la fille du porsuit ---------------------
--------- Misere & triste luy trenchera les aisles. ----------
*
Four lines of meaningful gobbledygook. Each and every word taken
[SNIP]
*
Claude Latrémouille
January 15, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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As usual a rather poor attempt at interpreting a rhyme that by his own
admission is beyond him.
Just because Babylon is mentioned it is assumed it is Iraq but Babylon
is also a metaphor, the rhyme basically gives the fate of the Jewish
nation or how it is subsumed by the Arab nations surrounding it .
LB
In fact you need to look at all the other quatrains for receu (1.14, 3,37,
3,41, 3,80,, 4,86, 8,4, 8.87, 8,99, 9,27) which is greeted, welcomed, NOT
assimilated (subsume=subsumer in French as well) as you seem to infer
(probably because of your anti-Israel bias). Such an assimilation will not
happen.
J.
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16 Jan 2007 03:21:22 PM |
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Jean Guernon wrote:
<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> a =E9crit dans le message de news:
1168896146.965518.112200@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Claude Latremouille wrote:
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:48:02 +0100, Lone Ranger
<snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> asked the question above.
*
An answer could be: yes he did but, as usual, in a very obscure
manner. In fact, in a manner which allows his text to be
understood only after the fact or, at best, only after events
have begun to happen.
*
Which events?
*
First, there is a need for the State of Israel to be recognized
and accepted by her neigbours. Second, it also is necessary for
Saddam to attack Israel. Third, it is also useful to understand
Saddam's overthrow as a sequel to the second event. With these
three, quatrain VIII-96 begins to make sense.
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___H V I T I E M E. ------------
------------------ (=E9dition pr=E9tendue de 1568) ---------------
*
--------------------------- X C V I. -------------------------
--------- La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit ----------------
--------- Sera receu entre les infideles ---------------------
--------- De Babylon la fille du porsuit ---------------------
--------- Misere & triste luy trenchera les aisles. ----------
*
Four lines of meaningful gobbledygook. Each and every word taken
[SNIP]
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille
January 15, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
As usual a rather poor attempt at interpreting a rhyme that by his own
admission is beyond him.
Just because Babylon is mentioned it is assumed it is Iraq but Babylon
is also a metaphor, the rhyme basically gives the fate of the Jewish
nation or how it is subsumed by the Arab nations surrounding it .
LB
In fact you need to look at all the other quatrains for receu (1.14, 3,37,
3,41, 3,80,, 4,86, 8,4, 8.87, 8,99, 9,27) which is greeted, welcomed, NOT
assimilated (subsume=3Dsubsumer in French as well) as you seem to infer
(probably because of your anti-Israel bias). Such an assimilation will not
happen.
J.
Well you need to study said verse line 1 gives the theme Synagogue who
else but The Red Sea pedestrian!
Clipping wings is constraining, anything else you need to know on
Poetics?
LB
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16 Jan 2007 04:06:32 PM |
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<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
1168982479.568460.141000@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Jean Guernon wrote:
<leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
1168896146.965518.112200@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Claude Latremouille wrote:
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:48:02 +0100, Lone Ranger
<snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> asked the question
above.
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An answer could be: yes he did but, as usual, in a very obscure
manner. In fact, in a manner which allows his text to be
understood only after the fact or, at best, only after events
have begun to happen.
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Which events?
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First, there is a need for the State of Israel to be recognized
and accepted by her neigbours. Second, it also is necessary for
Saddam to attack Israel. Third, it is also useful to understand
Saddam's overthrow as a sequel to the second event. With these
three, quatrain VIII-96 begins to make sense.
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-------------- C E N T V R I E___H V I T I E M E. ------------
------------------ (édition prétendue de 1568) ---------------
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--------------------------- X C V I. -------------------------
--------- La synagogue sterile sans nul fruit ----------------
--------- Sera receu entre les infideles ---------------------
--------- De Babylon la fille du porsuit ---------------------
--------- Misere & triste luy trenchera les aisles. ----------
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Four lines of meaningful gobbledygook. Each and every word taken
[SNIP]
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Claude Latrémouille
January 15, 2007
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
As usual a rather poor attempt at interpreting a rhyme that by his own
admission is beyond him.
Just because Babylon is mentioned it is assumed it is Iraq but Babylon
is also a metaphor, the rhyme basically gives the fate of the Jewish
nation or how it is subsumed by the Arab nations surrounding it .
LB
In fact you need to look at all the other quatrains for receu (1.14,
3,37,
3,41, 3,80,, 4,86, 8,4, 8.87, 8,99, 9,27) which is greeted, welcomed,
NOT
assimilated (subsume=subsumer in French as well) as you seem to infer
(probably because of your anti-Israel bias). Such an assimilation will
not
happen.
J.
Well you need to study said verse line 1 gives the theme Synagogue who
else but The Red Sea pedestrian!
Clipping wings is constraining, anything else you need to know on
Poetics?
LB
Only if you consider the "pursuit" as plural which it isn't.
According to your interpretation, somehow the Iraqis (or whatever you think
Babylon stands for) would be the "daughter" of this 'porsuit' (the ones who
walked through the red sea according to you), who clips its wings. So
accroding to you, the few Jews still in Iraq (?) are the ones who will
assimilate Israel? I know you are not the only one to think that, Dufresne
also had that in mind. But he cannot be confronted. You can.
This daughter of the Jews, are essentially Jews necessarily, and these
little community whatever its size is today if there are any, would
constrain Israël at the moment when it will be *accepted and welcomed* (as I
have shown) by the Muslims.
Or else, please explain how the daughter (could be considered as offsprings
if pursued was plural which it isn't) of the pursued (singular) can do that
to this pursued (Jewish people according to you). Who is this daughter of
the Jewish people according to your interpretation.
Thanks.
J.
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16 Jan 2007 01:58:38 PM |
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Lone Ranger wrote:
On 12 Jan 2007 21:30:41 -0800, "shastaman@my-deja.com"
<shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
No it doesn't predict Saddam's death. It's not even a close call, when
compared to the original event upon which it was based (see below).
*****
The death of the famous Flemish painter, Jan *Mabus[e]* on October 1,
1532, which marked the appearance of a strikingly bright comet (Comet
C/1532 R1). This comet's claim to fame is that it was the brilliant
daytime comet seen by the Aztecs and Incas just as the Spaniards
arrived in Peru. In fact, it was on 15 November, 1532 that Francisco
Pizarro with a small force of about 168 men and horses - in order to
avenge the throwing to the ground of the Christian Bible by the Inca
Emperor - succeeded in beginning the final violent destruction of this
great empire of some eight million people, beginning with what is known
today as the massacre of Cajamarca, as would duly be recorded by
Bartolom=E9 de Las Casas in his 'Brev=EDsima relaci=F3n de la destrucci=F3n
de las Indias', which first appeared in published form in 1552, prior
to the publication of the Prophecies.
******
References
http://abc.net.au/animals/program2/factsheet6.htm
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?comet_1532_apian
Merlin
http://www.placeoftheskull.com
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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16 Jan 2007 04:16:46 PM |
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"Merlin" <merlin2rhyme@yahoo.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
1168977518.376331.264360@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
Lone Ranger wrote:
On 12 Jan 2007 21:30:41 -0800, "shastaman@my-deja.com"
<shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
No it doesn't predict Saddam's death. It's not even a close call, when
compared to the original event upon which it was based (see below).
*****
The death of the famous Flemish painter, Jan *Mabus[e]* on October 1,
1532, which marked the appearance of a strikingly bright comet (Comet
C/1532 R1). This comet's claim to fame is that it was the brilliant
daytime comet seen by the Aztecs and Incas just as the Spaniards
arrived in Peru. In fact, it was on 15 November, 1532 that Francisco
Pizarro with a small force of about 168 men and horses - in order to
avenge the throwing to the ground of the Christian Bible by the Inca
Emperor - succeeded in beginning the final violent destruction of this
great empire of some eight million people, beginning with what is known
today as the massacre of Cajamarca, as would duly be recorded by
Bartolomé de Las Casas in his 'Brevísima relación de la destrucción
de las Indias', which first appeared in published form in 1552, prior
to the publication of the Prophecies.
******
References
http://abc.net.au/animals/program2/factsheet6.htm
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?comet_1532_apian
Merlin
http://www.placeoftheskull.com
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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16 Jan 2007 04:25:36 PM |
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It is funny to see that this lemesuriade doesn't consider Peter's absolute
doctrine that the prophecies concern only Europe and surroundings (wrongly
as was debunked here), and doesn't consider either that Peru is on the
'Southern hemisphere' which contradicts the same text referenced. So, I
gather that any of his rigid principles can be thrown to the garbage as long
as he can maintain is main one, 'Make Nostradamus a fraud', is that it?
J.
"Merlin" <merlin2rhyme@yahoo.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
1168977518.376331.264360@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
Lone Ranger wrote:
On 12 Jan 2007 21:30:41 -0800, "shastaman@my-deja.com"
<shastaman@my-deja.com> wrote:
When Mabus shortly dies, there shall ensue
Of man and beast a laying waste most dread.
Then suddenly shall vengeance heave in view:
Thirst, famine, blood, with comet overhead.
*shrug*
No it doesn't predict Saddam's death. It's not even a close call, when
compared to the original event upon which it was based (see below).
*****
The death of the famous Flemish painter, Jan *Mabus[e]* on October 1,
1532, which marked the appearance of a strikingly bright comet (Comet
C/1532 R1). This comet's claim to fame is that it was the brilliant
daytime comet seen by the Aztecs and Incas just as the Spaniards
arrived in Peru. In fact, it was on 15 November, 1532 that Francisco
Pizarro with a small force of about 168 men and horses - in order to
avenge the throwing to the ground of the Christian Bible by the Inca
Emperor - succeeded in beginning the final violent destruction of this
great empire of some eight million people, beginning with what is known
today as the massacre of Cajamarca, as would duly be recorded by
Bartolomé de Las Casas in his 'Brevísima relación de la destrucción
de las Indias', which first appeared in published form in 1552, prior
to the publication of the Prophecies.
******
References
http://abc.net.au/animals/program2/factsheet6.htm
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?comet_1532_apian
Merlin
http://www.placeoftheskull.com
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17 Jan 2007 03:18:09 PM |
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Jean Guernon wrote:
It is funny to see that this lemesuriade doesn't consider Peter's absolute
doctrine that the prophecies concern only Europe and surroundings (wrongly
as was debunked here), and doesn't consider either that Peru is on the
'Southern hemisphere' which contradicts the same text referenced. So, I
gather that any of his rigid principles can be thrown to the garbage as long
as he can maintain is main one, 'Make Nostradamus a fraud', is that it?
J.
You have fallen into the trap, you should know Peter is known for a
change of mind.
However it does fall outside the parameters set by Mr Nostradamus 1555
forward.
LB
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