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Stat wrote:

I was referring to the dress itself, and the
awful color.

Yeah, well Stat, Iran isn't exactly known for it's great taste
and keen
fashion sense for the ladies. ;)

Oh no, you're wrong. A lot of rich ladies from the Middle East go
to Iran to buy clothes. Fashion shows are big thing in Iran. Some
public ones, and TONS of private ones.

Here's a sample:
http://www.anvari.org/cols/Iranian_Fashion_Show.html

I like 2 and 3 from the end.
Stat.

I notice there are no men at the fashion show! I'd be willing to
bet that those clothes are for behind closed doors only, with
other women or one's husband. Which is fine if that is what they
want, but I suspect some would love to wear their designer
miniskirt out on the street! After all, before the revolution,
they were able to!

Believe me, showing off their miniskirts in public is not a top
priority for Iranian women right now.
Stat

So in other words, all that fashion IS just for behind closed doors!
Why bother? I like my sweats or a sundress at home. Comfort rules
at the end of the day!

I feel bad for the women that can't dress as they like when they go
out.

Do you support women being able to go out in public in the nude?

Woods

I've answered this before.

Sorry, I didn't see that.

At a beach, no problem. On the street it is not

really appropriate. I certainly would like some choice in how I
dress,

IOW - you only want to allow women to dress as far as *you* are
comfortable with them dressing. Unless and until you are ready to
allow other women to dress, or undress, in public at a level far beyond
what you are comfortable with seeing, you are no different from the
Muslims you decry.

I disagree. If you are forced into a burka (and I realize the burka is
extreme), you are actually put in danger...no peripheral vision and the
possibility that you will develop vitamin D deficiency, unless you are
wealthy enough to have a private courtyard where you can get some sun.

That's really stretching. 9_9

No, it is not: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EJ11Ag01.html
"In the context of the postwar press coverage, replete with images of
faceless, voiceless women, the Norwegian author's description of life
behind the veil is particularly valuable. Drawing on personal experience
(she reveals in her introduction), Seierstad shows how the concealing
garment can be restricting and disorienting - like the blinders worn by a
horse - but yet how it remains possible to look beautiful and even to
flirt while hidden beneath it. Then again, she also reveals how in a town
where the sun shines nearly every day of the year, a young woman, her
skin pale and gray, may be weak and dizzy, suffering from lack of vitamin
D."

That article refers to the type of Burqa that was used in Afghanistan,
which is not used elsewhere. If you want to refer to one specific type,
then you should clarify yourself beforehand.

Also: http://www.arc.org.uk/about_arth/booklets/6058/6058.htm
"Why are people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (South Asians) more
at risk?
People of South Asian background are particularly at risk. There are two
main reasons for this:

Sunlight
Dark skin is protective in parts of the world where the sun is intense.
People with dark skin who are living in areas where there is less daily
sunlight (such as the UK) may be 'overprotected' and their skin is less
efficient as a source of vitamin D. In addition, if you are a woman who
wears traditional dress such as the burka, this will also reduce the
ability of your skin to produce vitamin D, because it stops sunlight
falling on the skin (see Figure 3)."

Don't forget...in third world countries, milk is not likely to be
fortified with Vitamin D as it is here. Therefore, the main source would
be sunlight. If the sun cannot reach your skin, you can wind up
deficient.

I presume that, rather than deliberately ignoring it, you simply failed to
notice this:

"In Victorian times rickets was a common condition .."

Poor countries are more likely to get rickets. We would get it a lot, too,
if it were not for having vitamin D put into many of our staples - and we
don't wear burqas

much better source of vitamin D,

poor areas that consume raw fish.

Woods

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Stat wrote:

I was referring to the dress itself, and the
awful color.

Yeah, well Stat, Iran isn't exactly known for it's great
taste and keen
fashion sense for the ladies. ;)

Oh no, you're wrong. A lot of rich ladies from the Middle
East go to Iran to buy clothes. Fashion shows are big thing
in Iran. Some public ones, and TONS of private ones.

Here's a sample:
http://www.anvari.org/cols/Iranian_Fashion_Show.html

I like 2 and 3 from the end.
Stat.

I notice there are no men at the fashion show! I'd be willing
to bet that those clothes are for behind closed doors only,
with other women or one's husband. Which is fine if that is
what they want, but I suspect some would love to wear their
designer miniskirt out on the street! After all, before the
revolution, they were able to!

Believe me, showing off their miniskirts in public is not a top
priority for Iranian women right now.
Stat

So in other words, all that fashion IS just for behind closed
doors! Why bother? I like my sweats or a sundress at home.
Comfort rules at the end of the day!

I feel bad for the women that can't dress as they like when they
go out.

Do you support women being able to go out in public in the nude?

Woods

I've answered this before.

Sorry, I didn't see that.

At a beach, no problem. On the street it is not

really appropriate. I certainly would like some choice in how I
dress,

IOW - you only want to allow women to dress as far as *you* are
comfortable with them dressing. Unless and until you are ready to
allow other women to dress, or undress, in public at a level far
beyond what you are comfortable with seeing, you are no different
from the Muslims you decry.

I disagree. If you are forced into a burka (and I realize the burka
is extreme), you are actually put in danger...no peripheral vision
and the possibility that you will develop vitamin D deficiency,
unless you are wealthy enough to have a private courtyard where you
can get some sun.

That's really stretching. 9_9

No, it is not: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EJ11Ag01.html
"In the context of the postwar press coverage, replete with images of
faceless, voiceless women, the Norwegian author's description of life
behind the veil is particularly valuable. Drawing on personal
experience (she reveals in her introduction), Seierstad shows how the
concealing garment can be restricting and disorienting - like the
blinders worn by a horse - but yet how it remains possible to look
beautiful and even to flirt while hidden beneath it. Then again, she
also reveals how in a town where the sun shines nearly every day of
the year, a young woman, her skin pale and gray, may be weak and
dizzy, suffering from lack of vitamin D."

That article refers to the type of Burqa that was used in Afghanistan,
which is not used elsewhere. If you want to refer to one specific type,
then you should clarify yourself beforehand.

Also: http://www.arc.org.uk/about_arth/booklets/6058/6058.htm
"Why are people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (South Asians)
more at risk?
People of South Asian background are particularly at risk. There are
two main reasons for this:

Sunlight
Dark skin is protective in parts of the world where the sun is
intense. People with dark skin who are living in areas where there is
less daily sunlight (such as the UK) may be 'overprotected' and their
skin is less efficient as a source of vitamin D. In addition, if you
are a woman who wears traditional dress such as the burka, this will
also reduce the ability of your skin to produce vitamin D, because it
stops sunlight falling on the skin (see Figure 3)."

Don't forget...in third world countries, milk is not likely to be
fortified with Vitamin D as it is here. Therefore, the main source
would be sunlight. If the sun cannot reach your skin, you can wind up
deficient.

I presume that, rather than deliberately ignoring it, you simply failed
to notice this:

"In Victorian times rickets was a common condition .."

Poor countries are more likely to get rickets. We would get it a lot,
too, if it were not for having vitamin D put into many of our staples -
and we don't wear burqas Also, I'll point out that cod liver oil is a
much better source of vitamin D, which is why you do not see rickets in
poor areas that consume raw fish.

Woods