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state-run religious affairs directorate, which writes up important =
sermons. He was speaking in response to the shooting last week of an =
unmarried woman who had given birth to a child. Police suspect the =
murder was a case of "honour killing" and are looking for the victim's =
brothers. "In the coming weeks, I think sermons will be read in the =
mosques on the rights of women," Mr Aydin said. "Our people and our laws =
already define the killing of people for traditional reasons as murder. =
"Taking the life of another, and indeed suicide, are deemed a sin in our =
religion," he added.=20
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22 Jun 2004 10:40:49 PM |
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Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
However I am definitely encouraged by Turkey's example, and I hope the
rest of the Islamic world will soon follow Turkey's example. I was
also encouraged by another article that cites a departure (I hope)
from the old cultural norm:
[quoting] Saudis turning against terrorists
Citizens celebrated upon hearing that al-Qaida leader had been killed.
By FAIZA SALEH AMBAH
The Christian Science Monitor
Tuesday, June 22, 2004
JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA – The kidnapping and beheading of American Paul
Johnson Jr. marked a turning point in Saudi public opinion about his
al-Qaida slayers.
Celebrations broke out at the news that Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, the man
responsible for Johnson's death, had been killed. It was the first
time in the kingdom's 13-month fight against terror that ordinary
citizens expressed open joy at the success of the security forces.
[end quote]
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/06/22/sections/nation_world/nation_world/article_143020.php
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24 Jun 2004 03:05:38 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dsteven@flashmail.com (Steven Douglas) wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
It is still, sadly, fairly common in Turkey.
"Fairly common" eh? How many cases per year Jane?
See my previous post on
the subject.
http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=a8a04f01.0405170401.5
2da43d0%40posting.google.com&rnum=1
We can only hope that things will really change someday. At least
they seem to be working on it.
Jane
However I am definitely encouraged by Turkey's example, and I hope the
rest of the Islamic world will soon follow Turkey's example. I was
also encouraged by another article that cites a departure (I hope)
from the old cultural norm:
[quoting] Saudis turning against terrorists
Citizens celebrated upon hearing that al-Qaida leader had been killed.
By FAIZA SALEH AMBAH
The Christian Science Monitor
Tuesday, June 22, 2004
JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA ? The kidnapping and beheading of American Paul
Johnson Jr. marked a turning point in Saudi public opinion about his
al-Qaida slayers.
Celebrations broke out at the news that Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, the man
responsible for Johnson's death, had been killed. It was the first
time in the kingdom's 13-month fight against terror that ordinary
citizens expressed open joy at the success of the security forces.
[end quote]
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/06/22/sections/nation_world/nation_world/
article_143020.php
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| User: "Jane" |
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25 Jun 2004 05:59:51 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<cbe1s4$jcm$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
It is still, sadly, fairly common in Turkey.
"Fairly common" eh? How many cases per year Jane?
According to this Washington Post article, at least 200 and probably
more. As I said in my previous post (which you have, thus far,
neglected to answer), we first must know the number of wayward girls
vs. the number killed in order to know how much of a cultural norm it
is. Sounds like the Turkish human rights advocate quoted below
believes it to be extremely common.
http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/dilberk.htm :
""Honor crimes are happening all over Turkey," said Pinar Ilkkaracan,
director of a human rights group in Istanbul that campaigns for
changes in Turkish laws that discriminate against women. "Honor
killings are the tip of the iceberg. What is under the surface is
terrifying."
Researchers estimate at least 200 girls and women are murdered each
year by their families in Turkey; the real numbers, they say, may be
far greater. Women's organizations say their estimates -- and their
conclusion that honor crimes are on the rise -- are based on reports
from local organizations and activists scattered across the country
and from local newspapers that document cases investigated by police.
Accurate statistics do not exist because police records do not break
down homicides into specific types, and honor crimes often go
unreported."
Jane
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24 Jun 2004 10:40:53 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<cbdvft$i5k$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2b35e99.0406221940.1d500909@posting.google.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
Indeed. When discussing honour kililngs, it would be wise to remember that
they are also exceptional occurences. Jane would have us believe they happen
everyday and go unpunished. I repeat, honour killings are not the Cultural
Norm in Islamic society. For example, something like on average 20 girls are
murdered in Jordan each year due to honour killings.
Cite? I've heard higher. Don't forget, many cases go unreported and
unpunished.
While that is obviously
20 too many, it would be ridiculous to extrapolate this to being the
"cultural norm". For example, there are hundreds of cases of bestiality in
thr US every year - does this mean having sex with animals is the "cultural
norm" in the US? Of course not, taht woldu be a ridiculous leap of logic.
What is rediculous is your comparison to sex with dogs! In order to
determine how much of a cultural norm it is, we would need to know the
number of girls who "dishonoured" their families vs. the number
murdered for doing so. If a thousand girls defy their families and a
couple are killed, then it is a rare occurance. If 25 girls defy
their parents and 20 are killed, it is a cultural norm. They do not,
of course, kill girls willy-nilly! If a girl stays a good, obedient
virgin until her wedding day, does not communicate with boys outside
her family and bleeds when her marriage is consummated, she will
likely survive. It is only the "uppity" ones that are killed. In
other words, the ones who wish to live their own lives.
Jane
However I am definitely encouraged by Turkey's example, and I hope the
rest of the Islamic world will soon follow Turkey's example. I was
also encouraged by another article that cites a departure (I hope)
from the old cultural norm:
[quoting] Saudis turning against terrorists
Citizens celebrated upon hearing that al-Qaida leader had been killed.
By FAIZA SALEH AMBAH
The Christian Science Monitor
Tuesday, June 22, 2004
JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA - The kidnapping and beheading of American Paul
Johnson Jr. marked a turning point in Saudi public opinion about his
al-Qaida slayers.
Celebrations broke out at the news that Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, the man
responsible for Johnson's death, had been killed. It was the first
time in the kingdom's 13-month fight against terror that ordinary
citizens expressed open joy at the success of the security forces.
[end quote]
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/06/22/sections/nation_world/nation_world/
article_143020.php
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25 Jun 2004 07:01:40 AM |
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(Jane) wrote in message news:<a8a04f01.0406240740.3a49d1c9@posting.google.com>...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<cbdvft$i5k$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
Indeed. When discussing honour kililngs, it would be wise to remember that
they are also exceptional occurences. Jane would have us believe they happen
everyday and go unpunished. I repeat, honour killings are not the Cultural
Norm in Islamic society. For example, something like on average 20 girls are
murdered in Jordan each year due to honour killings.
Cite?
Certainly: http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/yaghi11.htm (note it
explicitly states here that honour killings are "unislamic" whcih
removes yet abnother reason for your prejudice)
I've heard higher.
Cite?
Don't forget, many cases go unreported and
unpunished.
Ah! The old "I know this is happening because there's no evidence of
it which means they MUST be covering it up" argument(see Steven's
"Mein Kampf is a best seller..")
While that is obviously
20 too many, it would be ridiculous to extrapolate this to being the
"cultural norm". For example, there are hundreds of cases of bestiality in
thr US every year - does this mean having sex with animals is the "cultural
norm" in the US? Of course not, taht woldu be a ridiculous leap of logic.
What is rediculous is your comparison to sex with dogs!
I didn't mention dogs,intersting that you chose too... but anyway, I'm
glad you can see the ridiculousness of extrapolating a relatively rare
occurence to being a "cultural norm"
In order to determine how much of a cultural norm it is, we would need to
know the number of girls who "dishonoured" their families vs. the number
murdered for doing so. If a thousand girls defy their families and a
couple are killed, then it is a rare occurance. If 25 girls defy
their parents and 20 are killed, it is a cultural norm.
LOL! I think you'll find rather more than 20 children defying or
disobeying their parents in any society..
They do not,
of course, kill girls willy-nilly! If a girl stays a good, obedient
virgin until her wedding day, does not communicate with boys outside
her family and bleeds when her marriage is consummated, she will
likely survive. It is only the "uppity" ones that are killed. In
other words, the ones who wish to live their own lives.
Jane
However I am definitely encouraged by Turkey's example, and I hope the
rest of the Islamic world will soon follow Turkey's example. I was
also encouraged by another article that cites a departure (I hope)
from the old cultural norm:
[quoting] Saudis turning against terrorists
Citizens celebrated upon hearing that al-Qaida leader had been killed.
By FAIZA SALEH AMBAH
The Christian Science Monitor
Tuesday, June 22, 2004
JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA - The kidnapping and beheading of American Paul
Johnson Jr. marked a turning point in Saudi public opinion about his
al-Qaida slayers.
Celebrations broke out at the news that Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, the man
responsible for Johnson's death, had been killed. It was the first
time in the kingdom's 13-month fight against terror that ordinary
citizens expressed open joy at the success of the security forces.
[end quote]
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/06/22/sections/nation_world/nation_world/
article_143020.php
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| User: "Jane" |
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25 Jun 2004 06:25:13 PM |
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"Tom" <parris_k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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pushlinque@hotmail.com (Jane) wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say
they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
Indeed. When discussing honour kililngs, it would be wise to remember
that
they are also exceptional occurences. Jane would have us believe they
happen
everyday and go unpunished. I repeat, honour killings are not the
Cultural
Norm in Islamic society. For example, something like on average 20
girls are
murdered in Jordan each year due to honour killings.
Cite?
Certainly: http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/yaghi11.htm (note it
explicitly states here that honour killings are "unislamic" whcih
removes yet abnother reason for your prejudice)
Actually, they pre-date Islam (as does genital mutilation), but up to now,
Islamic societies have not done much to put a stop to them. If they are
finally starting to, good on them.
I've heard higher.
Cite?
Your own cite says 25-30, plus 50 put in jail so they won't be killed. Add
the number not reported and I bet it is a lot higher.
Don't forget, many cases go unreported and
unpunished.
Ah! The old "I know this is happening because there's no evidence of
it which means they MUST be covering it up" argument(see Steven's
"Mein Kampf is a best seller..")
This comes from women in the region; see the article about Turkey that I
linked earlier in the thread (interesting that you didn't reply to it)
While that is obviously
20 too many, it would be ridiculous to extrapolate this to being the
"cultural norm". For example, there are hundreds of cases of
bestiality in
thr US every year - does this mean having sex with animals is the
"cultural
norm" in the US? Of course not, taht woldu be a ridiculous leap of
logic.
What is rediculous is your comparison to sex with dogs!
I didn't mention dogs,intersting that you chose too... but anyway, I'm
glad you can see the ridiculousness of extrapolating a relatively rare
occurence to being a "cultural norm"
In order to determine how much of a cultural norm it is, we would need
to
know the number of girls who "dishonoured" their families vs. the number
murdered for doing so. If a thousand girls defy their families and a
couple are killed, then it is a rare occurance. If 25 girls defy
their parents and 20 are killed, it is a cultural norm.
LOL! I think you'll find rather more than 20 children defying or
disobeying their parents in any society..
Muslim girls are kept verrry close to home. They are not to be with any man
who is not "mahram" (related), period!
http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=3105
Jane
They do not,
of course, kill girls willy-nilly! If a girl stays a good, obedient
virgin until her wedding day, does not communicate with boys outside
her family and bleeds when her marriage is consummated, she will
likely survive. It is only the "uppity" ones that are killed. In
other words, the ones who wish to live their own lives.
Jane
However I am definitely encouraged by Turkey's example, and I hope
the
rest of the Islamic world will soon follow Turkey's example. I was
also encouraged by another article that cites a departure (I hope)
from the old cultural norm:
[quoting] Saudis turning against terrorists
Citizens celebrated upon hearing that al-Qaida leader had been
killed.
By FAIZA SALEH AMBAH
The Christian Science Monitor
Tuesday, June 22, 2004
JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA - The kidnapping and beheading of American Paul
Johnson Jr. marked a turning point in Saudi public opinion about his
al-Qaida slayers.
Celebrations broke out at the news that Abdulaziz al-Moqrin, the man
responsible for Johnson's death, had been killed. It was the first
time in the kingdom's 13-month fight against terror that ordinary
citizens expressed open joy at the success of the security forces.
[end quote]
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/06/22/sections/nation_world/nation_world/
article_143020.php
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25 Jun 2004 01:08:58 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<cbdvft$i5k$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2b35e99.0406221940.1d500909@posting.google.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:<cb9j8m$c5p$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
Indeed. When discussing honour kililngs, it would be wise to remember that
they are also exceptional occurences. Jane would have us believe they happen
everyday and go unpunished. I repeat, honour killings are not the Cultural
Norm in Islamic society. For example, something like on average 20 girls are
murdered in Jordan each year due to honour killings. While that is obviously
20 too many, it would be ridiculous to extrapolate this to being the
"cultural norm".
Honor killings actually predate Islam. Honor killings are a problem
the culture of Islam has yet to resolve, because many Muslims still
consider honor killings to be a cultural norm:
[excerpt from an article] Honor killings are part of a culture, not a
religion, and occur in Arab communities in the United States and many
countries. One-third of the reported homicides in Jordan are honor
killings. The killers are treated with leniency, and families assign
the task of honor killing to a minor, because under Jordanian juvenile
law, minors who commit crimes are sentenced to a juvenile center where
they can learn a profession and continue their education, and then, at
eighteen, be released without a criminal record. The average term
served for an honor killing is only seven and a half months.
[excerpt] Related to this is the practice of protective custody. If a
woman becomes pregnant out of wedlock, she will turn herself in to the
police, and they'll put her in prison to "protect her life." Anywhere
else in the world you would put the person who is threatening
someone's life in prison, but in my country and elsewhere in the Arab
world, it is the opposite. The victim goes to jail. Most of these
women are held there indefinitely. They are not charged, and they
cannot make bail. If the family bails them out, it is to kill them. So
these women remain, wasting their lives in prison. [end quoted
excerpts]
http://www.pbs.org/speaktruthtopower/rana.html
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25 Jun 2004 06:01:57 AM |
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(Steven Douglas) wrote in message news:<a2b35e99.0406242208.7bfe35bb@posting.google.com>...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<cbdvft$i5k$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
"Steven Douglas" < > wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
You do realize that Turkey has a secular government, don't you? When
discussing Islamic republics, it would be wise to remember that
Turkey's government is an *exception* and not the cultural norm.
Indeed. When discussing honour kililngs, it would be wise to remember that
they are also exceptional occurences. Jane would have us believe they happen
everyday and go unpunished. I repeat, honour killings are not the Cultural
Norm in Islamic society. For example, something like on average 20 girls are
murdered in Jordan each year due to honour killings. While that is obviously
20 too many, it would be ridiculous to extrapolate this to being the
"cultural norm".
Honor killings actually predate Islam. Honor killings are a problem
the culture of Islam has yet to resolve, because many Muslims still
consider honor killings to be a cultural norm:
[excerpt from an article] Honor killings are part of a culture, not a
religion, and occur in Arab communities in the United States and many
countries. One-third of the reported homicides in Jordan are honor
killings. The killers are treated with leniency, and families assign
the task of honor killing to a minor, because under Jordanian juvenile
law, minors who commit crimes are sentenced to a juvenile center where
they can learn a profession and continue their education, and then, at
eighteen, be released without a criminal record. The average term
served for an honor killing is only seven and a half months.
[excerpt] Related to this is the practice of protective custody. If a
woman becomes pregnant out of wedlock, she will turn herself in to the
police, and they'll put her in prison to "protect her life." Anywhere
else in the world you would put the person who is threatening
someone's life in prison, but in my country and elsewhere in the Arab
world, it is the opposite. The victim goes to jail. Most of these
women are held there indefinitely. They are not charged, and they
cannot make bail. If the family bails them out, it is to kill them. So
these women remain, wasting their lives in prison. [end quoted
excerpts]
http://www.pbs.org/speaktruthtopower/rana.html
Of course you are right. I just posted another article in this thread
that shows how common it is in Turkey. You might as well talk to a
wall as try to convince tw, however. His mind is made up and he is
not going to let facts get in the way!
Jane
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Turkey condemns 'honour killings' |
22 Jun 2004 06:56:19 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:<cb9j8m$c5p$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>...
Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour
killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they
weren't the cultural norm..
I actually met some Islamic women that tell me they cannot date
outside Arabs - Muslims or suffer consequences that she would not
speak of. The Prophet just doesn't want women to marry outside the
race. Today's laws are a little westernized, yet in most of the 22
Arab countries honor killings is standard. If the media cites specific
cases were it is not that is because they are not following the
Prophet and the ‘al hadiths. In other words they are bad Muslims.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3523123.stm
Muslim clerics in Turkey are to deliver sermons upholding women's rights
and condemning so-called "honour killings".
Good to see that they are condemning them - that's a start.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: Turkey condemns 'honour killings' |
22 Jun 2004 07:13:44 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:31:49 +0200, "tw" <no@no.com> wrote:
Well, well well.. seems like the attitude of Islam is that honour killings are unlawful..seems like I was absolutely right to say they weren't the cultural norm..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3523123.stm
Muslim clerics in Turkey are to deliver sermons upholding women's rights and condemning so-called "honour killings".
State Minister Mehmet Aydin said he would ask for action from the state-run religious affairs directorate, which writes up important sermons. He was speaking in response to the shooting last week of an unmarried woman who had given birth to a child. Police suspect the murder was a case of "honour killing" and are looking for the victim's brothers. "In the coming weeks, I think sermons will be read in the mosques on the rights of women," Mr Aydin said. "Our people and our laws already define the killing of people for traditional reasons as murder. "Taking the life of another, and indeed suicide, are deemed a sin in our religion," he added.
Thank you for the article and I hope it is a step in the right
direction. We will see. I will be more convinced when I see severe
punishment doled out to the perpetrators of such crimes and, indeed,
appropriate charges in place. It rarely happens that such "brothers"
get more than a slap on the wrist.
I noticed that only one cleric was quoted. We can only take his word
that there will be "sermons read in the mosques on the rights of
women". I wouldn't hold my breath.
This wouldn't have anything to do with Turkey wanting to join the EU
now, would it?
Jane
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