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User: "TonyZ2001"
Date: 13 Dec 2004 08:56:15 AM
Object: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership
December 13, 2004
Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership
By Suna Erdem
Summit must decide whether to open talks


RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, the Turkish Prime Minister, has told European Union
leaders that they will pay a heavy price in continued and escalating violence
from Islamic extremists if the EU rejects Turkey as a member and confirms
itself as a Christian club.
“Accepting a country that has brought together Islam and democracy will bring
about harmony between civilisations. If, on the other hand, it is not welcomed,
the world will have to put up with the present situation,” he said, referring
to terrorism by such groups as al-Qaeda — whose local affiliates hit Turkey
last year, bombing the British consulate and three other targets in Istanbul.
“That is the very clear and present danger and it is all around us today.
There is nothing we can do if the EU feels that it can live with being simply a
Christian club . . . but if these countries burn their bridges with the rest of
the world, history will not forgive them.”
Mr Erdogan’s powerful warning came just days before the EU summit that will
decide whether to start formal accession talks with Turkey and against a
furious European debate about the effects of incorporating Turkey’s 70
million, mainly Muslim, population into the Union.
He was speaking before opening Istanbul’s first modern art museum — an
event he had ordered to be brought forward from early next year to help to
project a modern image of his country ahead of the summit. After knocking on
the EU’s doors for four decades, Turkey is painfully aware that it is viewed
abroad as a poor and backward country and that, despite its secular
constitution, much of the West is currently afraid of its Muslim tradition.
Mr Erdogan is a declared “conservative democrat”, but his background as an
Islamic firebrand has led to so many questions that his face broke into a
“not again” smile at the mere mention of the problem.
“We are Muslim, we are Turkish, we are democratic and our country is
secular,” he said, emphasising every phrase. “Nothing else need be said.”
Nevertheless, he believed that the EU, in trying to add safeguards and get-out
clauses in the draft for the talks, was discriminating against Ankara.
“I am of the opinion that Turkey is being faced with tougher criteria
compared to other candidate countries,” he said. “No other country had to
wait for 41 years at Europe’s door. We have fulfilled all the criteria, but
despite this Europeans are hesitating.”
Although loath to say so, he feels upset, maybe even betrayed, by suggestions
from some, including France, that Turkey might be offered an alternative form
of association with the EU if talks fail.
“There are 400,000 Turks already living in France . . . what have we done to
make them so afraid? We find it hard to understand what it is the French do not
understand about us that makes them so wary. There is no such thing in the EU
as privileged partnership. No other country has been offered this and there is
no way that we will accept such an option for Turkey,” he said.
He also rejected suggestions that talks could be open-ended. “At the end of
membership negotiations either there is full membership or there is nothing.
Full membership is not automatic anyway — it may be that we don’t manage to
fulfil our side of the bargain and it all ends in failure. So why hobble the
process from the start?” Conditions other than the existing political and
economic criteria would be unacceptable, he said, especially any permanent
brake on the freedom of movement of Turks, millions of whom were already
economic migrants in Europe.
Turkey’s economy has been transformed after a crisis in 2001, while numerous
reforms, including the abolition of the death penalty, have improved the human
rights situation and reduced the power of the military — an institution that
staged three coups between 1960 and 1980 and effectively wrote the present
constitution. Mr Erdogan acknowledged that the more difficult phase of
implementing all these reforms lay ahead, but he was adamant that Turkey had
done enough so far to begin negotiations.
A former semi-professional football player, he resorted to sporting terms to
describe the situation: “We are not bringing any conditions to this
ourselves. But we are seeing here that new rules are being introduced while the
game is being played. As this is unacceptable in a game of football, it is
equally wrong in a process like this.”
Despite his criticism, he remains optimistic, saying that he expected to be
offered a start date within the next year for talks with the goal of full
membership. He said: “In the last days of the Ottoman Empire we were then
called the sick man of Europe. Note, of Europe, never the sick man of Asia. You
said so yourself.”



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User: "Hans D. Magnusson"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 13 Dec 2004 10:58:07 AM
Some pictures on TV the other day showed what it's like in eastern Turkey.
That's enough for me. I never wanted the EU anyway. Maybe it's time to go
west. Montana?
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20041213095615.22097.00002235@mb-m06.aol.com...

December 13, 2004
Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership
By Suna Erdem
Summit must decide whether to open talks


RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, the Turkish Prime Minister, has told European Union
leaders that they will pay a heavy price in continued and escalating

violence

from Islamic extremists if the EU rejects Turkey as a member and confirms
itself as a Christian club.
"Accepting a country that has brought together Islam and democracy will

bring

about harmony between civilisations. If, on the other hand, it is not

welcomed,

the world will have to put up with the present situation," he said,

referring

to terrorism by such groups as al-Qaeda - whose local affiliates hit

Turkey

last year, bombing the British consulate and three other targets in

Istanbul.


"That is the very clear and present danger and it is all around us today.
There is nothing we can do if the EU feels that it can live with being

simply a

Christian club . . . but if these countries burn their bridges with the

rest of

the world, history will not forgive them."

Mr Erdogan's powerful warning came just days before the EU summit that

will

decide whether to start formal accession talks with Turkey and against a
furious European debate about the effects of incorporating Turkey's 70
million, mainly Muslim, population into the Union.

He was speaking before opening Istanbul's first modern art museum - an
event he had ordered to be brought forward from early next year to help to
project a modern image of his country ahead of the summit. After knocking

on

the EU's doors for four decades, Turkey is painfully aware that it is

viewed

abroad as a poor and backward country and that, despite its secular
constitution, much of the West is currently afraid of its Muslim

tradition.


Mr Erdogan is a declared "conservative democrat", but his background as an
Islamic firebrand has led to so many questions that his face broke into a
"not again" smile at the mere mention of the problem.

"We are Muslim, we are Turkish, we are democratic and our country is
secular," he said, emphasising every phrase. "Nothing else need be said."
Nevertheless, he believed that the EU, in trying to add safeguards and

get-out

clauses in the draft for the talks, was discriminating against Ankara.

"I am of the opinion that Turkey is being faced with tougher criteria
compared to other candidate countries," he said. "No other country had to
wait for 41 years at Europe's door. We have fulfilled all the criteria,

but

despite this Europeans are hesitating."

Although loath to say so, he feels upset, maybe even betrayed, by

suggestions

from some, including France, that Turkey might be offered an alternative

form

of association with the EU if talks fail.

"There are 400,000 Turks already living in France . . . what have we done

to

make them so afraid? We find it hard to understand what it is the French

do not

understand about us that makes them so wary. There is no such thing in the

EU

as privileged partnership. No other country has been offered this and

there is

no way that we will accept such an option for Turkey," he said.

He also rejected suggestions that talks could be open-ended. "At the end

of

membership negotiations either there is full membership or there is

nothing.

Full membership is not automatic anyway - it may be that we don't manage

to

fulfil our side of the bargain and it all ends in failure. So why hobble

the

process from the start?" Conditions other than the existing political and
economic criteria would be unacceptable, he said, especially any permanent
brake on the freedom of movement of Turks, millions of whom were already
economic migrants in Europe.

Turkey's economy has been transformed after a crisis in 2001, while

numerous

reforms, including the abolition of the death penalty, have improved the

human

rights situation and reduced the power of the military - an institution

that

staged three coups between 1960 and 1980 and effectively wrote the present
constitution. Mr Erdogan acknowledged that the more difficult phase of
implementing all these reforms lay ahead, but he was adamant that Turkey

had

done enough so far to begin negotiations.

A former semi-professional football player, he resorted to sporting terms

to

describe the situation: "We are not bringing any conditions to this
ourselves. But we are seeing here that new rules are being introduced

while the

game is being played. As this is unacceptable in a game of football, it is
equally wrong in a process like this."

Despite his criticism, he remains optimistic, saying that he expected to

be

offered a start date within the next year for talks with the goal of full
membership. He said: "In the last days of the Ottoman Empire we were then
called the sick man of Europe. Note, of Europe, never the sick man of

Asia. You

said so yourself."






.
User: "Grantland"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 13 Dec 2004 11:21:51 AM
"Hans D. Magnusson" <hd@home.se> wrote:

Some pictures on TV the other day showed what it's like in eastern Turkey.
That's enough for me. I never wanted the EU anyway. Maybe it's time to go
west. Montana?

Frankly I'd go to California rather. Arnie will maintain. When the
sky falls.
Grantland
.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 04:34:36 AM

mithril@iafrica.com

wrote:


"Hans D. Magnusson" <hd@home.se> wrote:

Some pictures on TV the other day showed what it's like in eastern Turkey.
That's enough for me. I never wanted the EU anyway. Maybe it's time to go
west. Montana?

Frankly I'd go to California rather. Arnie >will maintain. When the sky

falls.

Grantland

Not much Arnie can do when most of the state is now Mexican.
Tony
.


User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 04:33:54 AM

"Hans D. Magnusson"


wrote:

Some pictures on TV the other day >showed what it's like in eastern Turkey.
That's enough for me. I never wanted the >EU anyway. Maybe it's time to go
west. Montana?

The EU is Satan's idea.
Come on over, you'll be most welcomed.
Tony
.
User: "tw"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 05:02:04 AM
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041214053354.23255.00001822@mb-m03.aol.com...

"Hans D. Magnusson"


wrote:

Some pictures on TV the other day >showed what it's like in eastern

Turkey.

That's enough for me. I never wanted the >EU anyway. Maybe it's time to

go

west. Montana?


The EU is Satan's idea.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Was it pixies who mad eth milk go sour too?

Come on over, you'll be most welcomed.

Hans doesn't believe in immigration.
.
User: "Hans D. Magnusson"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 09:48:18 AM
"tw" <no@no.com> skrev i meddelandet
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Hans D. Magnusson"


wrote:

Some pictures on TV the other day >showed what it's like in eastern

Turkey.

That's enough for me. I never wanted the >EU anyway. Maybe it's time to

go

west. Montana?


The EU is Satan's idea.


BWAHAHAHAHA! Was it pixies who mad eth milk go sour too?

Come on over, you'll be most welcomed.


Hans doesn't believe in immigration.

Right. But live the rest of my life as a victim in the sinking old world...


.
User: "tw"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 09:54:23 AM
"Hans D. Magnusson" <
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Hans D. Magnusson"


wrote:

Some pictures on TV the other day >showed what it's like in eastern

Turkey.

That's enough for me. I never wanted the >EU anyway. Maybe it's time

to

go

west. Montana?


The EU is Satan's idea.


BWAHAHAHAHA! Was it pixies who mad eth milk go sour too?

Come on over, you'll be most welcomed.


Hans doesn't believe in immigration.


Right. But live the rest of my life as a victim in the sinking old

world...
Hmm. do I detect a note of hypocrisy? You don't want people coming to your
country to escape less than ideal conditions at home, but you feel you
should be able to do it yourselfin some one else's.
.
User: "Hans D. Magnusson"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 11:53:35 AM
I'm afraid that's so. But in this case, read HOMELAND. The only thing we
fight about in this dreamed homeland is which Seinfeld-episode we like best.
Heaven?
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"Hans D. Magnusson" <

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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Hans D. Magnusson"


wrote:

Some pictures on TV the other day >showed what it's like in eastern

Turkey.

That's enough for me. I never wanted the >EU anyway. Maybe it's

time

to

go

west. Montana?


The EU is Satan's idea.


BWAHAHAHAHA! Was it pixies who mad eth milk go sour too?

Come on over, you'll be most welcomed.


Hans doesn't believe in immigration.


Right. But live the rest of my life as a victim in the sinking old

world...

Hmm. do I detect a note of hypocrisy? You don't want people coming to your
country to escape less than ideal conditions at home, but you feel you
should be able to do it yourselfin some one else's.




.






User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 03:51:25 PM
u have a link?
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 06:23:01 PM
u have a link?
.
User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 06:35:12 PM
Michael Johnathan McDonald wrote:

u have a link?

I saw it in the Times on Monday.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1401625,00.html
-A
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User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: Turkish leader warns of terror wave if EU rejects membership 14 Dec 2004 07:36:45 PM
thanks, I looked all over yahoo-news and Google search engines - can't
see even my post and this newsgroup hasn't updated in hours - must be a
glitch. Just taking a break from the books.
.




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