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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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21 Jan 2005 06:13:36 PM |
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tw: tiny wiener's comprehension is/always was broken. |
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
What planet was that? Not Earth and not in the 20th Century - that's
for sure. Is there any end to your ignorance? Or do we need to deal
with it forever?
To start off: Hitler was an Athiest. Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion.
About your conclusions:
We (being historians) know that it is your individual bias than an
assertion of historical fact -as is the case with most whom hold the
view that the NAZI party was 'God-fearing ' or Christians. This is
crap.
Hitler's private SS guards whom forged ahead (early in the war) in
France before the regular army went in began about destroying
everything to do with Christ. These are historical facts, all well
documented.
At the closing years of the NAZI party, Arabs joined in and fought
alongside the so called 'superior White Race' - thus the last years of
the war - most of the SS troop divisions, and much of the last
recruited armies were foreigners from all over the world and different
religions. One out of Five army personnel at the last year was actually
national Germans.
Conclusion: The genocide of the Nazis of the Jews ( They slaughtered
Europeans as well - Also, See Russia, and English: Bombing of
England) was motivated by, economic desperation then race not religion.
HITLER QUOTES:
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler.
<and do not exhaust his insults to Christianity, Protestant or
Catholic>
'Hitler's Secret Conversations' 1941-1944_ published by Farrar, Straus
and Young, Inc. first edition, 1953. The book was published in Britain
under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944, which title was used
for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of
Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both
are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of
religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul,
for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against
nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the
systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When
understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian
doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why
someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die
little by little.... "Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in
conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was
that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and
Christianity."
21st October, 1941, midday
"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the
destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was
never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this
work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... "Didn't the world
see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of
martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of
Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed
into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this
pest,
we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea."
(p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing
more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the
Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe
transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and
Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's
be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118 &
119)
14th December, 1941, midday
"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis
between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the
thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned
with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply
to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism,
under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner
"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday
"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a
man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his
imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself
deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never
come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the
disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't...
behold <its demise>." (p 278)
I don't know whether Hitler was formally excommunicated or not, but
it doesn't matter. Excommunication is not an additional punishment
that the Church adds to some sins out of fear that God may not punish
the sinner severely enough, nor is it, as Mr. Healey seems to think, a
means of "making a statement" to demonstrate one's moral purity, as was
fashionable among what was then called the New Left in the 1960s and
70s. The whole purpose of excommunication is to help the sinner
recognize the enormity of his sins so he will seek forgiveness. As
St. Paul wrote, "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle,
note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother." (2
Thes 3:14-15). In a Catholic society it can have social consequences
as does the Amish practice of "shunning" (which is just "excommunica-
tion" without the latinate word), but that would not apply in 20th
century Germany. Someone like Hitler, who did not believe in the truth
of Christianity, would shrug it off. He had already put him- self
outside of the Church.
THIS SUMS THIS ARGUMENT UP WELL:
Path: christian
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
From: (lester john ness)
Subject: Re: Born Again Muslim - Sadam orders islamic observance!
Organization: Indiana University
References: <37icuc$kfv@geneva.rutgers.edu>
Approved:
Hitler was raised Catholic but abandoned any sort of Christianity
before WW I. The conference of German bishops excommunicated all Nazis
in 1930 and in the 1932 elections forbade Catholics to vote for a Nazi.
Moreover, Goebbels was Lutheran, and Himmler neo-pagan. nazi-ism
appealed to Germans of all sorts. No group has clean hands.
Source:
(1) tw'S IGNORANT STATEMENT POST:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/thread/8c82263b49ee058d/93d20b7c4366f1c7?_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.prophecies.nostradamus%3F&_doneTitle=Back+to+topics&_doneTitle=Back&&d#93d20b7c4366f1c7
(2)http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/pub/soc.religion.christian/faq/hitler
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| User: "tw" |
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23 Jan 2005 05:07:26 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106352816.381986.281020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
What planet was that? Not Earth and not in the 20th Century - that's
for sure. Is there any end to your ignorance? Or do we need to deal
with it forever?
Hey, why not try and disprove what I said, rather than just constructing an
"argument" from childish insults? For a start, you'd have to show that
germany wasn't a majority Lutheran country during the 30s and 40s. Off you
go.
To start off: Hitler was an Athiest.
His own writings dismiss that ridiculous claim:
From Mein Kampf :
""Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the
work of the Lord."
Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion.
Uhh.. Mikey? Pagans and aetheists are not the same thing.
besides this is irrelevant as my statment concerned the peopel who CARRIED
OUT the holocaust, not those who came up with the idea.
About your conclusions:
We (being historians)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
know that it is your individual bias than an
assertion of historical fact -as is the case with most whom hold the
view that the NAZI party was 'God-fearing ' or Christians. This is
crap.
Because you say so, right? What was the majority religion in 30's/40's
Germany?
Hitler's private SS guards whom forged ahead (early in the war) in
France before the regular army went in began about destroying
everything to do with Christ. These are historical facts, all well
documented.
So document 'em- of course, you have to prove your assertion that "Hitler
was an aetheist" too.
And then there's the irritating little historical fact that the SS and
Wermcaht had "Gott mit Uns " ("god is with us") inscribed on their belt
buckles...
At the closing years of the NAZI party, Arabs joined in and fought
alongside the so called 'superior White Race' - thus the last years of
the war - most of the SS troop divisions, and much of the last
recruited armies were foreigners from all over the world and different
religions. One out of Five army personnel at the last year was actually
national Germans.
Completely irrelevant, and largley untrue.
Conclusion: The genocide of the Nazis of the Jews ( They slaughtered
Europeans as well - Also, See Russia, and English: Bombing of
England) was motivated by, economic desperation then race not religion.
Wow, what insight Mikey has in 20th century history! the Germenas attacked
Russia and Britain too? Well, well well.. who'd a thunk it?
HITLER QUOTES:
<snip>
Was he the one CARRYING OUT the holocaust?
(1) tw'S VINDICATED POST:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/th
read/8c82263b49ee058d/93d20b7c4366f1c7?_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.prophecies.nostr
adamus%3F&_doneTitle=Back+to+topics&_doneTitle=Back&&d#93d20b7c4366f1c7
(2)http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/pub/soc.religion.christian/faq/hitler
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23 Jan 2005 08:35:26 AM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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About your conclusions:
We (being historians)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah that cracked me up too ;0)
And then there's the irritating little historical fact that the SS and
Wermcaht had "Gott mit Uns " ("god is with us") inscribed on their belt
buckles..
Not to mention the soldier priests that every company had. Nothing like
stirring the boys up with a little religious hatred before they go out
for a nights stormtrooping.
--
krib
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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23 Jan 2005 05:32:51 AM |
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You've become a weekend warrior too? Welcome aboard... pointless
discussion and insult 24/7
:)
-A
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| User: "tw" |
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23 Jan 2005 06:04:53 AM |
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"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You've become a weekend warrior too?
I won't be making a habit of it, I can assure you
Welcome aboard... pointless
discussion and insult 24/7
Hoo ya!
:)
-A
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23 Jan 2005 08:35:26 AM |
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"Absolute Zero" <amycaton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You've become a weekend warrior too? Welcome aboard... pointless
discussion and insult 24/7
Best on the web ma'm
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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24 Jan 2005 08:13:59 PM |
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tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106352816.381986.281020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing
Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
What planet was that? Not Earth and not in the 20th Century -
that's
for sure. Is there any end to your ignorance? Or do we need to deal
with it forever?
Hey, why not try and disprove what I said, rather than just
constructing an
"argument" from childish insults? For a start, you'd have to show
that
germany wasn't a majority Lutheran country during the 30s and 40s.
Off you
go.
To start off: Hitler was an Athiest.
His own writings dismiss that ridiculous claim:
From Mein Kampf :
""Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will
of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the
work of the Lord."
Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion.
Uhh.. Mikey? Pagans and aetheists are not the same thing.
Who said they were? Not me. Or is this more proof to you inability to
comprehend the written word?
besides this is irrelevant as my statment concerned the peopel who
CARRIED
OUT the holocaust, not those who came up with the idea.
Your statement was in context of who was the problem for the Jewish
Genocide. There was no discussion previously that alluded to who
carried out the holocaust - just your propaganda ***** that's all - just
like the propaganda piece you cite as proof Hitler was a God fearing
Christian -lol ;)
About your conclusions:
We (being historians)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
know that it is your individual bias than an
assertion of historical fact -as is the case with most whom hold
the
view that the NAZI party was 'God-fearing ' or Christians. This is
crap.
Because you say so, right?
I just watched the history channels expose on the many factions of the
SS - about six hours long. It seems the personal statements, interviews
of people who are still alive and were in the NAZI doings say so.
THERE WAS NOTHING RELIGIOUS ABOUT THIS WAR.
Although, I believe your hatred for all religion makes you want to
believe this.
What was the majority religion in 30's/40's
Germany?
Under Hitler tw, there were two dominate religions: Little and none!
You may be confused with what is called a ultra nationalist German
Christian whom wanted to replace Hitler with Jesus, or the MORE common
religion of German "Volk" Folk and nature (paganism). There were no
Lutheran examples embodied within the genocide of the Jews of WWII. You
watch the History Channels SS expose and you will find out the common
man ( Probably you refereeing to the Lutheran lay in the country) were
forced to as told - it was not a decide yeah or nay thingy.
This was not a liberal ( Right-Wing) society - no one had freedom to do
what they wanted - either they followed the Dictator or they were a
result of his wrath. Furthermore, in history, genocide has been carried
out since man existed and religions had no part in the process.
Racism, maybe, but not religious concerns, even the Crusades were begun
secretly for economic reasons to break the Islamic blockages of the
Mediterranean - to the east ( India).
Fold your hands, bow your heads, and think of Adolf Hitler.
At Christmas time, the familiar "Silent Night" was given a pagan
rendering:
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Only the Chancellor steadfast in fight
Watches o'er Germany by day and by night
Always caring for us.
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Adolf Hitler is Germany's wealth
Brings us greatness, favor and health
Oh give us Germans all power! (Conway, 1968, p. 155)
Or again, a prayer:
O Fuhrer, my Fuhrer, sent to me by God
Protect and maintain my life
Thou who has served Germany in its hour of need
I thank thee now for my daily bread
Oh! Stay with me, Oh! Never leave me
Fuhrer, My Fuhrer, my faith and my light. (Conway, p. 155)
Here is your favorite:
The same kind of false adulation directed toward Hitler was given to
Marshall Petain in Vichy France. A very curious adaptation of the
"Lord's Prayer" was offered by a Georges Gerard:
Our Father,
Who art over us
May your name be glorified.
May your kingdom come
May your will be done
On earth so that we may live.
Give us our bread each day forever.
Give life back to France,
Don't let us fall again
Into vain dreams and lies.
And deliver us from evil.
O Our Marshall! (Duquesne, 1966, p. 59)
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Only the Chancellor steadfast in fight
Watches o'er Germany by day and by night
Always caring for us.
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Adolf Hitler is Germany's wealth
Brings us greatness, favor and health
Oh give us Germans all power!
Here is a link so you can sing and pray better: ;)
http://www.j-cinstitute.org/Articles/Lyons_Idolatry.htm
Christian MY ***** ;)
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hitler's private SS guards whom forged ahead (early in the war) in
France before the regular army went in began about destroying
everything to do with Christ. These are historical facts, all well
documented.
So document 'em- of course, you have to prove your assertion that
"Hitler
was an aetheist" too.
These come in those biographies that are size of encyclopedias - you
know your enemy - anything that is not a click and a link is your
enemy. ;)
And then there's the irritating little historical fact that the SS
and
Wermcaht had "Gott mit Uns " ("god is with us") inscribed on their
belt
buckles...
SS had many denominating factions tw. Everyone had their own little
***** sayings. The Auschwitz SS core (faction) had black skulls as their
emblems and called them selves 'the black-headed ones' (or the more
common - death squad).
I really recommend the History Channels expose on the SS. I believe you
can buy it or it will be on again.
At the closing years of the NAZI party, Arabs joined in and fought
alongside the so called 'superior White Race' - thus the last years
of
the war - most of the SS troop divisions, and much of the last
recruited armies were foreigners from all over the world and
different
religions. One out of Five army personnel at the last year was
actually
national Germans.
Completely irrelevant, and largley untrue.
Again, Watch the History Channel SS program - that is where that came
from - Oh yeah - they have hours of film footage they play of the
witnesses interviews - quite telling ;)
Conclusion: The genocide of the Nazis of the Jews ( They
slaughtered
Europeans as well - Also, See Russia, and English: Bombing of
England) was motivated by, economic desperation then race not
religion.
Wow, what insight Mikey has in 20th century history! the Germenas
attacked
Russia and Britain too? Well, well well.. who'd a thunk it?
Surely not you. Evidently they only killed Jews because they were
Lutheran.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahhaha :-)
HITLER QUOTES:
<snip>
Was he the one CARRYING OUT the holocaust?
You tell me - it sure wasn't God Fearing Lutherans as you stated. I
think you are living in the past Lutheran Germanic Glory.
(1) tw'S VINDICATED POST:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/th
read/8c82263b49ee058d/93d20b7c4366f1c7?_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.prophecies.nostr
adamus%3F&_doneTitle=Back+to+topics&_doneTitle=Back&&d#93d20b7c4366f1c7
(2)http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/pub/soc.religion.christian/faq/hitler
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| User: "tw" |
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25 Jan 2005 03:05:01 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106619239.661017.146620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106352816.381986.281020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing
Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
What planet was that? Not Earth and not in the 20th Century -
that's
for sure. Is there any end to your ignorance? Or do we need to deal
with it forever?
Hey, why not try and disprove what I said, rather than just
constructing an
"argument" from childish insults? For a start, you'd have to show
that
germany wasn't a majority Lutheran country during the 30s and 40s.
Off you
go.
Surprise surpirise, Mikey fails again..
To start off: Hitler was an Athiest.
His own writings dismiss that ridiculous claim:
From Mein Kampf :
""Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will
of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the
work of the Lord."
Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion.
Uhh.. Mikey? Pagans and aetheists are not the same thing.
Who said they were? Not me. Or is this more proof to you inability to
comprehend the written word?
How deliciously ironic. You made the statement
"Hitler was an Athiest. Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion."
Now then, Hitler most certainly WASN'T an aetheist,and you claim Nazxism was
"not about religion" while citing the religious beliefs of its major
proponents.
besides this is irrelevant as my statment concerned the peopel who
CARRIED
OUT the holocaust, not those who came up with the idea.
Your statement was in context of who was the problem for the Jewish
Genocide.
No, I merely pointed out tah tthe everday Germans who carried out the
holocaust were Lutherans, on the whole.
There was no discussion previously that alluded to who
carried out the holocaust
Tere certainly was. I posted "what about the holocaust" Chas (I think)
replied "It was Pagans" NOw, as I have repeatedly shown you, Germany was a
mjority Lutheran country in those days, and those caryying out the holocaust
were Lutherans. We can quibble over whether they were God fearing or not if
you liek, but to disprove my main point, you'd have to show evidence tah
tthe mjority religion of Germnay in those days was something other than
Lutheran. It's really very simple, yet still way beyond your cognitive
ability, apparently.
- just your propaganda ***** that's all - just
like the propaganda piece you cite as proof Hitler was a God fearing
Christian -lol ;)
Hilter's own words, Mikey.. do you have any quiotes where he lays claim to
aethesims? BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
About your conclusions:
We (being historians)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
know that it is your individual bias than an
assertion of historical fact -as is the case with most whom hold
the
view that the NAZI party was 'God-fearing ' or Christians. This is
crap.
Because you say so, right?
I just watched the history channels expose on the many factions of the
SS - about six hours long. It seems the personal statements, interviews
of people who are still alive and were in the NAZI doings say so.
THERE WAS NOTHING RELIGIOUS ABOUT THIS WAR.
Although, I believe your hatred for all religion makes you want to
believe this.
What was the majority religion in 30's/40's
Germany?
Under Hitler tw, there were two dominate religions: Little and none!
You may be confused with what is called a ultra nationalist German
Christian whom wanted to replace Hitler with Jesus, or the MORE common
religion of German "Volk" Folk and nature (paganism). There were no
Lutheran examples embodied within the genocide of the Jews of WWII. You
watch the History Channels SS expose and you will find out the common
man ( Probably you refereeing to the Lutheran lay in the country) were
forced to as told - it was not a decide yeah or nay thingy.
This was not a liberal ( Right-Wing) society - no one had freedom to do
what they wanted - either they followed the Dictator or they were a
result of his wrath. Furthermore, in history, genocide has been carried
out since man existed and religions had no part in the process.
Racism, maybe, but not religious concerns, even the Crusades were begun
secretly for economic reasons to break the Islamic blockages of the
Mediterranean - to the east ( India).
Fold your hands, bow your heads, and think of Adolf Hitler.
At Christmas time, the familiar "Silent Night" was given a pagan
rendering:
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Only the Chancellor steadfast in fight
Watches o'er Germany by day and by night
Always caring for us.
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Adolf Hitler is Germany's wealth
Brings us greatness, favor and health
Oh give us Germans all power! (Conway, 1968, p. 155)
Or again, a prayer:
O Fuhrer, my Fuhrer, sent to me by God
Protect and maintain my life
Thou who has served Germany in its hour of need
I thank thee now for my daily bread
Oh! Stay with me, Oh! Never leave me
Fuhrer, My Fuhrer, my faith and my light. (Conway, p. 155)
Here is your favorite:
The same kind of false adulation directed toward Hitler was given to
Marshall Petain in Vichy France. A very curious adaptation of the
"Lord's Prayer" was offered by a Georges Gerard:
Our Father,
Who art over us
May your name be glorified.
May your kingdom come
May your will be done
On earth so that we may live.
Give us our bread each day forever.
Give life back to France,
Don't let us fall again
Into vain dreams and lies.
And deliver us from evil.
O Our Marshall! (Duquesne, 1966, p. 59)
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Only the Chancellor steadfast in fight
Watches o'er Germany by day and by night
Always caring for us.
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Adolf Hitler is Germany's wealth
Brings us greatness, favor and health
Oh give us Germans all power!
Here is a link so you can sing and pray better: ;)
http://www.j-cinstitute.org/Articles/Lyons_Idolatry.htm
Christian MY ***** ;)
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hitler's private SS guards whom forged ahead (early in the war) in
France before the regular army went in began about destroying
everything to do with Christ. These are historical facts, all well
documented.
So document 'em- of course, you have to prove your assertion that
"Hitler
was an aetheist" too.
These come in those biographies that are size of encyclopedias - you
know your enemy - anything that is not a click and a link is your
enemy. ;)
And then there's the irritating little historical fact that the SS
and
Wermcaht had "Gott mit Uns " ("god is with us") inscribed on their
belt
buckles...
SS had many denominating factions tw. Everyone had their own little
***** sayings. The Auschwitz SS core (faction) had black skulls as their
emblems and called them selves 'the black-headed ones' (or the more
common - death squad).
I really recommend the History Channels expose on the SS. I believe you
can buy it or it will be on again.
At the closing years of the NAZI party, Arabs joined in and fought
alongside the so called 'superior White Race' - thus the last years
of
the war - most of the SS troop divisions, and much of the last
recruited armies were foreigners from all over the world and
different
religions. One out of Five army personnel at the last year was
actually
national Germans.
Completely irrelevant, and largley untrue.
Again, Watch the History Channel SS program - that is where that came
from - Oh yeah - they have hours of film footage they play of the
witnesses interviews - quite telling ;)
Conclusion: The genocide of the Nazis of the Jews ( They
slaughtered
Europeans as well - Also, See Russia, and English: Bombing of
England) was motivated by, economic desperation then race not
religion.
Wow, what insight Mikey has in 20th century history! the Germenas
attacked
Russia and Britain too? Well, well well.. who'd a thunk it?
Surely not you. Evidently they only killed Jews because they were
Lutheran.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahhaha :-)
HITLER QUOTES:
<snip>
Was he the one CARRYING OUT the holocaust?
You tell me - it sure wasn't God Fearing Lutherans as you stated. I
think you are living in the past Lutheran Germanic Glory.
(1) tw'S VINDICATED POST:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/browse_frm/th
read/8c82263b49ee058d/93d20b7c4366f1c7?_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.prophecies.nostr
adamus%3F&_doneTitle=Back+to+topics&_doneTitle=Back&&d#93d20b7c4366f1c7
(2)http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/pub/soc.religion.christian/faq/hitler
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25 Jan 2005 11:45:05 AM |
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tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
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''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing
Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
What planet was that? Not Earth and not in the 20th Century -
that's
for sure. Is there any end to your ignorance? Or do we need to
deal
with it forever?
Hey, why not try and disprove what I said, rather than just
constructing an
"argument" from childish insults? For a start, you'd have to show
that
germany wasn't a majority Lutheran country during the 30s and
40s.
Off you
go.
Surprise surpirise, Mikey fails again..
To start off: Hitler was an Athiest.
His own writings dismiss that ridiculous claim:
From Mein Kampf :
""Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will
of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting
for the
work of the Lord."
Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion.
Uhh.. Mikey? Pagans and aetheists are not the same thing.
Who said they were? Not me. Or is this more proof to you inability
to
comprehend the written word?
How deliciously ironic.
You sure are ;)
You made the statement
"Hitler was an Athiest. Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion."
Its called a comparative statement. You understand that. It was not a
liking statement as you claimed. So your ironic statement is indeed
ironic, eh? ;)
Now then, Hitler most certainly WASN'T an aetheist,
He sure wasn't Christian that is for sure.
and you claim Nazxism was
"not about religion"
Yep! I'm not the only one.
while citing the religious beliefs of its major
proponents.
You mean importance. If you meant proponents, then you are implying -
the proponents like yourself like to fantasy that the NAZIs were only
and all about a religious struggle against the Jews. So sad and
immature.
There are many reasons propagandist want to slant history in this way.
It gives them an argument that religion is to blame for things like
genocide, which is not the case. This was an economic struggle that was
twisted into the many sub-reasons, like religion, which tried to
overtake for first initial response ( of economic desperation) to the
cause and make it the prime example.
besides this is irrelevant as my statment concerned the peopel
who
CARRIED
OUT the holocaust, not those who came up with the idea.
Your statement was in context of who was the problem for the Jewish
Genocide.
No, I merely pointed out tah tthe everday Germans who carried out the
holocaust were Lutherans, on the whole.
Like I said before the topic was not about the Germans - it was a snide
remark and out of context, and most notably it implied the wrong
message. That message was religion was to blame for the holocaust - it
wasn't.
There was no discussion previously that alluded to who
carried out the holocaust
Tere certainly was. I posted "what about the holocaust" Chas (I
think)
Ya think ;) Right.
replied "It was Pagans" NOw, as I have repeatedly shown you, Germany
was a
mjority Lutheran country in those days, and those caryying out the
holocaust
were Lutherans.
I would agree with a general statement like that, but this was not my
response - it was a statement by you out of context. Carried out is a
strong idiomatic phrase that implied more than willingness unless
explained as such. This is not the case. The lay persons of Germany
were ordered to do this.
I'll ask you again. Was it religion that carried out the Holocaust as
you implied it was the Lutherans? Some how the Lutherans were all
gung-ho in carry this out?
We can quibble over whether they were God fearing or not if
you liek, but to disprove my main point, you'd have to show evidence
tah
tthe mjority religion of Germnay in those days was something other
than
Lutheran.
No I cannot do that. Again, ( you said I think) I think it was out of
context.
It's really very simple, yet still way beyond your cognitive
ability, apparently.
- just your propaganda ***** that's all - just
like the propaganda piece you cite as proof Hitler was a God
fearing
Christian -lol ;)
Hilter's own words, Mikey..
Do you believe all propaganda as most judging of a character to a dear
held beliefs as true?
do you have any quiotes where he lays claim to
aethesims? BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
Yes, I posted some with a link to more. I notice you never replied or
refuted.
Have a nice day ;)
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| User: "tw" |
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26 Jan 2005 02:30:14 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
Hey, why not try and disprove what I said, rather than just
constructing an
"argument" from childish insults? For a start, you'd have to show
that
germany wasn't a majority Lutheran country during the 30s and
40s.
Off you
go.
Surprise surpirise, Mikey fails again..
...and again!
<snip>
You made the statement
"Hitler was an Athiest. Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion."
Its called a comparative statement. You understand that. It was not a
liking statement
"A liking statement" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
as you claimed
Huh? Mikey, I'm just pointing out that pagans aren't aetheists, therefore
your assertion that "nazi (sic) WAS not about religion" clashes with your
other assertion that the Nazi leadership were pagans. Get an adult to help
you read and understand this if necessary.
. So your ironic statement is indeed
ironic, eh? ;)
I don't know what you're on about, and quite obviously neither do you.
Now then, Hitler most certainly WASN'T an aetheist,
He sure wasn't Christian that is for sure.
He was a Catholic, actually, so yes he was.
and you claim Nazxism was
"not about religion"
Yep! I'm not the only one.
So where are your cites from the others?
while citing the religious beliefs of its major
proponents.
You mean importance. If you meant proponents, then you are implying -
the proponents like yourself like to fantasy that the NAZIs were only
and all about a religious struggle against the Jews.
Where ON EARTH have I claimed that was the case? If you really want to
discuss this, you had best stop lying, Mikey.
So sad and
immature.
Again, how ironic...
<snip empty pomposity>
Your statement was in context of who was the problem for the Jewish
Genocide.
No, I merely pointed out tah tthe everday Germans who carried out the
holocaust were Lutherans, on the whole.
Like I said before the topic was not about the Germans
Of course it was, or do yo think the holocaust was carried aout by the
Chinese? Pplease actually TRY to read what I've written, rather than your
bizarre interpretations.
- it was a snide
remark and out of context,
What?
and most notably it implied the wrong
message. That message was religion was to blame for the holocaust - it
wasn't.
I said the holocaust was carried out by Lutherans, to disprove that
statement you 'd have to prove that
1) Germany wasn't majority Lutheran in the 30s and 40s
or
2) The holocaust wasn't carried out by Germans
Off you go.
There was no discussion previously that alluded to who
carried out the holocaust
Tere certainly was. I posted "what about the holocaust" Chas (I
think)
Ya think ;) Right.
replied "It was Pagans" NOw, as I have repeatedly shown you, Germany
was a
mjority Lutheran country in those days, and those caryying out the
holocaust
were Lutherans.
I would agree with a general statement like that
If you agree, you extra y-chromosomed fucking moron, why are you posting?
, but this was not my
response - it was a statement by you out of context.
How was it out of context, dimbulb? Do you even understand these words you
are using?
Have yo uever read anything Marton Luther had to say about Jews? The man was
worse than Grantland.
Carried out is a
strong idiomatic phrase
Nope, you clearly don't understand the words you use
that implied more than willingness unless
explained as such. This is not the case. The lay persons of Germany
were ordered to do this.
Every soldier has the DUTY to refuse to carry out an illegal order. There
was no coercion required to get people to work in the death camps. After
all, the strong anti-semitic traditions of Catholicism and Lutheranism wchih
Nazism played upon convinced many that the Jews really were subhuman and
that it was god's will that they be exterminated
I'll ask you again. Was it religion that carried out the Holocaust as
you implied it was the Lutherans?
It most certainly was Lutherans (and Cathiolics) who carried out the
holocaust. the Nazis didn't just deiced to be anti-semitic one day,
Catholicism and Lutheranism had laid the roots for this long ago.
Some how the Lutherans were all
gung-ho in carry this out?
History certainly seems to indicate this was the case. Here's a little bit
of writing from Martin Luther (who founded Lutheranism, in case you didn't
know) which coudl have been lifted straight from one fo Hitler's speeches.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.htm
l
Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have
their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer
selfglory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are
practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.
Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel
and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from
us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day,
together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as archthieves and
robbers, in the most impenitent security.
I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your
rule if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you
and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest
we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation,
and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against
the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all
authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safeconduct, or
communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to
cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But
whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his
own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.
Scary stuff, I'm sure you'll agree. And we can hardly remove Luther from
Lutheranism, can we?
We can quibble over whether they were God fearing or not if
you liek, but to disprove my main point, you'd have to show evidence
tah
tthe mjority religion of Germnay in those days was something other
than
Lutheran.
No I cannot do that. Again, ( you said I think) I think it was out of
context.
You don't think Mikey, random neurones may occasionally communicate inside
that thick skull of yours, but only the most generous woudl call that
thinking.
It's really very simple, yet still way beyond your cognitive
ability, apparently.
- just your propaganda ***** that's all - just
like the propaganda piece you cite as proof Hitler was a God
fearing
Christian -lol ;)
Hilter's own words, Mikey..
Do you believe all propaganda as most judging of a character to a dear
held beliefs as true?
I believe the historical record which shows Hitler was born a Catholic, and
his numerous references to God and religion in his speeches and writing, the
fact that the SS and Wemacht had "Gott mit uns" (God is with us) uinscribed
on their belt buckles etc etc.
I am still waiting for some actual EVIDENCE from you to support your
position, rather than your worthless opinions.
do you have any quiotes where he lays claim to
aethesims? BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
Yes, I posted some with a link to more.
Nope, you're lying again Mikey. Those quotes referred to the weakness of
Christianity.
I notice you never replied or
refuted.
There was no need to refute them, as Hitler didn't claim to be an aetheist
in any of those quotes. Please post one where he DOES claim to be an
aetheist, or admit you lied.
Have a nice day ;)
I always do.
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26 Jan 2005 03:55:34 PM |
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tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106675105.065345.149000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
Hey, why not try and disprove what I said, rather than just
constructing an
"argument" from childish insults? For a start, you'd have to
show
that
germany wasn't a majority Lutheran country during the 30s and
40s.
Off you
go.
Surprise surpirise, Mikey fails again..
..and again!
<snip>
You made the statement
"Hitler was an Athiest. Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion."
Its called a comparative statement. You understand that. It was not
a
liking statement
"A liking statement" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Like to show the link?
as you claimed
Huh? Mikey, I'm just pointing out that pagans aren't aetheists,
No you weren't - you were confused with my clear statement - you are
the one confused with your response.
therefore
your assertion that "nazi (sic) WAS not about religion" clashes with
your
other assertion that the Nazi leadership were pagans.
I never said the Nazi leadership was pagan ( I said some leaders, and
referenced an adopted state religions according so some scholars - but
I never said that - you seem to put words in peoples mouth trying to
justify your ignoramus qualities, eh moron?
Get an adult to help
you read and understand this if necessary.
then I can't ask ya, can I? lol ;)
. So your ironic statement is indeed
ironic, eh? ;)
I don't know what you're on about,
usually kids like ya cannot. But, others already saw that by your
statement.
and quite obviously neither do you.
I cannot comprehend your idiotic brain farts - I just question them ;)
Now then, Hitler most certainly WASN'T an aetheist,
He sure wasn't Christian that is for sure.
He was a Catholic, actually, so yes he was.
Been reading that online garbage again I see ;)
Would you like to sight in his childhood his involvement with Church
and the Catholic Community, tard? I didn't think so ;)
Didn't I just read here, ya said that he was born a Catholic - so I
guess to your brain fart logic that makes him a Catholic, eh moron?
and you claim Nazxism was
"not about religion"
Yep! I'm not the only one.
So where are your cites from the others?
I gave you them. But this is your MO.
while citing the religious beliefs of its major
proponents.
You mean importance. If you meant proponents, then you are implying
-
the proponents like yourself like to fantasy that the NAZIs were
only
and all about a religious struggle against the Jews.
Where ON EARTH have I claimed that was the case? If you really want
to
discuss this, you had best stop lying, Mikey.
You better correct your ill fated statement - you cannot use the
correct words in a statement then how can you carry on an argument -
the answer is you cannot - like I said you are a moron.
So sad and
immature.
Again, how ironic...
Ya sure are ;)
<snip empty pomposity>
Your statement was in context of who was the problem for the
Jewish
Genocide.
No, I merely pointed out tah tthe everday Germans who carried out
the
holocaust were Lutherans, on the whole.
Like I said before the topic was not about the Germans
Of course it was,
No it was a snide comment - care to like it? lol.
;)
or do yo think the holocaust was carried aout by the
Chinese?
No but I bet ya da ;)
Pplease actually TRY to read what I've written, rather than your
bizarre interpretations.
bizarre is you, so why are ya telling us that - we already know?
- it was a snide
remark and out of context,
What?
Your MO is working again ***** ;)
and most notably it implied the wrong
message. That message was religion was to blame for the holocaust -
it
wasn't.
I said the holocaust was carried out by Lutherans, to disprove that
statement you 'd have to prove that
1) Germany wasn't majority Lutheran in the 30s and 40s
Where did Majority play in your original statement - you see that was
all I was getting at - your own statements betray yaz ;)
BWAWAWAWAWAWWAWAWAWAWAWA
You sure are a twerp, eh?
or
2) The holocaust wasn't carried out by Germans
irrelevant to the topic - this was not your brain-dead stupid
statement.
Off you go.
Where am I going? Away from your imbecile posts? Kooky , looky here
freak - I'm right here disproving your statement ;) Kinda fucked up
huh?
There was no discussion previously that alluded to who
carried out the holocaust
Tere certainly was. I posted "what about the holocaust" Chas (I
think)
Ya think ;) Right.
replied "It was Pagans" NOw, as I have repeatedly shown you,
Germany
was a
mjority Lutheran country in those days, and those caryying out
the
holocaust
were Lutherans.
I would agree with a general statement like that
If you agree, you extra y-chromosomed fucking moron, why are you
posting?
You didn't use the work ****majority**** you flaming freak of animal.
BAAWHAWAWAWAWAWAWAWWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA ;)
HERE LOOK AT IT AGAIN YOU FUCKIN' FREAK:
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
, but this was not my
response - it was a statement by you out of context.
How was it out of context, dimbulb?
IGNORAMUS SAID WHAT? LOL. ;)
Do you even understand
Yes that you are trying to add a quantitative adverb ( Majority) that
was not originally there.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ;)
You look like the fool the more you argue this ;)
My point was that ( see header: TW comprehension is/always was broken).
You could of said quickly that is was a honest mistake and moved on -
but now you are lying and trying to add a quantitative adverb (
Majority) into your original statement - how pathetic and dishonest by
ya.
these words you
are using?
Have yo uever read anything Marton Luther had to say about Jews? The
man was
worse than Grantland.
Who is Marton Luther ? Another one of your imaginary friends?
Carried out is a
strong idiomatic phrase
Nope, you clearly don't understand the words you use
You clearly do not understand this has nothing to do with Martin Luther
whom I believe e trying to imply.
This has to do with your idiotic statement and now you are changing
what you stated - typical lying sack of *****.
that implied more than willingness unless
explained as such. This is not the case. The lay persons of Germany
were ordered to do this.
Every soldier has the DUTY to refuse to carry out an illegal order.
Yep, and when they did they got wrath.
There
was no coercion
You are too ignorant of history to converse with... I'm gone ----
please deal with what I said already - there is enough on your plate ;)
equired to get people to work in the death camps. After
all, the strong anti-semitic traditions of Catholicism and
Lutheranism wchih
Nazism played upon convinced many that the Jews really were subhuman
and
that it was god's will that they be exterminated
I'll ask you again. Was it religion that carried out the Holocaust
as
you implied it was the Lutherans?
It most certainly was Lutherans (and Cathiolics) who carried out the
holocaust. the Nazis didn't just deiced to be anti-semitic one day,
Catholicism and Lutheranism had laid the roots for this long ago.
Some how the Lutherans were all
gung-ho in carry this out?
History certainly seems to indicate this was the case. Here's a
little bit
of writing from Martin Luther (who founded Lutheranism, in case you
didn't
know) which coudl have been lifted straight from one fo Hitler's
speeches.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.htm
l
Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever
they have
their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer
self=ADglory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men
are
practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.
Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no
morsel
and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and
pilfered from
us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day,
together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch=ADthieves
and
robbers, in the most impenitent security.
I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under
your
rule=AD=AD if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so
that you
and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews,
lest
we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the
defamation,
and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly
against
the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all
Christians, all
authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection,
safe=ADconduct, or
communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish
to
cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have
suggested. But
whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided
by his
own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.
Scary stuff, I'm sure you'll agree. And we can hardly remove Luther
from
Lutheranism, can we?
We can quibble over whether they were God fearing or not if
you liek, but to disprove my main point, you'd have to show
evidence
tah
tthe mjority religion of Germnay in those days was something
other
than
Lutheran.
No I cannot do that. Again, ( you said I think) I think it was out
of
context.
You don't think Mikey, random neurones may occasionally communicate
inside
that thick skull of yours, but only the most generous woudl call that
thinking.
It's really very simple, yet still way beyond your cognitive
ability, apparently.
- just your propaganda ***** that's all - just
like the propaganda piece you cite as proof Hitler was a God
fearing
Christian -lol ;)
Hilter's own words, Mikey..
Do you believe all propaganda as most judging of a character to a
dear
held beliefs as true?
I believe the historical record which shows Hitler was born a
Catholic, and
his numerous references to God and religion in his speeches and
writing, the
fact that the SS and Wemacht had "Gott mit uns" (God is with us)
uinscribed
on their belt buckles etc etc.
I am still waiting for some actual EVIDENCE from you to support your
position, rather than your worthless opinions.
do you have any quiotes where he lays claim to
aethesims? BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
Yes, I posted some with a link to more.
Nope, you're lying again Mikey. Those quotes referred to the weakness
of
Christianity.
I notice you never replied or
refuted.
There was no need to refute them, as Hitler didn't claim to be an
aetheist
in any of those quotes. Please post one where he DOES claim to be an
aetheist, or admit you lied.
=20
Have a nice day ;)
=20
I always do.
=20
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27 Jan 2005 01:55:52 AM |
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That's it mikey, run away without producing any facts again. How's the
graduate-before-40 plan looking?
Here's what you need to do to refute my arguments: (which are "The holocaust
was carried out by lutherans" and "Hitler was not an aetheist")
1) Show the Germany wasn't a lutheran country OR Show that the holocaust
wasn't carried out by Germans
2) Show a single quote from Hitler where he claims to be an aetheist.
Try that, rather than your usual badly written, pompous, irrelevant churn.
***Begin repost of Mikey idiocy**
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106776534.201802.292220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106675105.065345.149000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
tw wrote:
Hey, why not try and disprove what I said, rather than just
constructing an
"argument" from childish insults? For a start, you'd have to
show
that
germany wasn't a majority Lutheran country during the 30s and
40s.
Off you
go.
Surprise surpirise, Mikey fails again..
..and again!
<snip>
You made the statement
"Hitler was an Athiest. Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion."
Its called a comparative statement. You understand that. It was not
a
liking statement
"A liking statement" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Like to show the link?
as you claimed
Huh? Mikey, I'm just pointing out that pagans aren't aetheists,
No you weren't - you were confused with my clear statement - you are
the one confused with your response.
therefore
your assertion that "nazi (sic) WAS not about religion" clashes with
your
other assertion that the Nazi leadership were pagans.
I never said the Nazi leadership was pagan ( I said some leaders, and
referenced an adopted state religions according so some scholars - but
I never said that - you seem to put words in peoples mouth trying to
justify your ignoramus qualities, eh moron?
Get an adult to help
you read and understand this if necessary.
then I can't ask ya, can I? lol ;)
. So your ironic statement is indeed
ironic, eh? ;)
I don't know what you're on about,
usually kids like ya cannot. But, others already saw that by your
statement.
and quite obviously neither do you.
I cannot comprehend your idiotic brain farts - I just question them ;)
Now then, Hitler most certainly WASN'T an aetheist,
He sure wasn't Christian that is for sure.
He was a Catholic, actually, so yes he was.
Been reading that online garbage again I see ;)
Would you like to sight in his childhood his involvement with Church
and the Catholic Community, tard? I didn't think so ;)
Didn't I just read here, ya said that he was born a Catholic - so I
guess to your brain fart logic that makes him a Catholic, eh moron?
and you claim Nazxism was
"not about religion"
Yep! I'm not the only one.
So where are your cites from the others?
I gave you them. But this is your MO.
while citing the religious beliefs of its major
proponents.
You mean importance. If you meant proponents, then you are implying
-
the proponents like yourself like to fantasy that the NAZIs were
only
and all about a religious struggle against the Jews.
Where ON EARTH have I claimed that was the case? If you really want
to
discuss this, you had best stop lying, Mikey.
You better correct your ill fated statement - you cannot use the
correct words in a statement then how can you carry on an argument -
the answer is you cannot - like I said you are a moron.
So sad and
immature.
Again, how ironic...
Ya sure are ;)
<snip empty pomposity>
Your statement was in context of who was the problem for the
Jewish
Genocide.
No, I merely pointed out tah tthe everday Germans who carried out
the
holocaust were Lutherans, on the whole.
Like I said before the topic was not about the Germans
Of course it was,
No it was a snide comment - care to like it? lol.
;)
or do yo think the holocaust was carried aout by the
Chinese?
No but I bet ya da ;)
Pplease actually TRY to read what I've written, rather than your
bizarre interpretations.
bizarre is you, so why are ya telling us that - we already know?
- it was a snide
remark and out of context,
What?
Your MO is working again ***** ;)
and most notably it implied the wrong
message. That message was religion was to blame for the holocaust -
it
wasn't.
I said the holocaust was carried out by Lutherans, to disprove that
statement you 'd have to prove that
1) Germany wasn't majority Lutheran in the 30s and 40s
Where did Majority play in your original statement - you see that was
all I was getting at - your own statements betray yaz ;)
BWAWAWAWAWAWWAWAWAWAWAWA
You sure are a twerp, eh?
or
2) The holocaust wasn't carried out by Germans
irrelevant to the topic - this was not your brain-dead stupid
statement.
Off you go.
Where am I going? Away from your imbecile posts? Kooky , looky here
freak - I'm right here disproving your statement ;) Kinda fucked up
huh?
There was no discussion previously that alluded to who
carried out the holocaust
Tere certainly was. I posted "what about the holocaust" Chas (I
think)
Ya think ;) Right.
replied "It was Pagans" NOw, as I have repeatedly shown you,
Germany
was a
mjority Lutheran country in those days, and those caryying out
the
holocaust
were Lutherans.
I would agree with a general statement like that
If you agree, you extra y-chromosomed fucking moron, why are you
posting?
You didn't use the work ****majority**** you flaming freak of animal.
BAAWHAWAWAWAWAWAWAWWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA ;)
HERE LOOK AT IT AGAIN YOU FUCKIN' FREAK:
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
, but this was not my
response - it was a statement by you out of context.
How was it out of context, dimbulb?
IGNORAMUS SAID WHAT? LOL. ;)
Do you even understand
Yes that you are trying to add a quantitative adverb ( Majority) that
was not originally there.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ;)
You look like the fool the more you argue this ;)
My point was that ( see header: TW comprehension is/always was broken).
You could of said quickly that is was a honest mistake and moved on -
but now you are lying and trying to add a quantitative adverb (
Majority) into your original statement - how pathetic and dishonest by
ya.
these words you
are using?
Have yo uever read anything Marton Luther had to say about Jews? The
man was
worse than Grantland.
Who is Marton Luther ? Another one of your imaginary friends?
Carried out is a
strong idiomatic phrase
Nope, you clearly don't understand the words you use
You clearly do not understand this has nothing to do with Martin Luther
whom I believe e trying to imply.
This has to do with your idiotic statement and now you are changing
what you stated - typical lying sack of *****.
that implied more than willingness unless
explained as such. This is not the case. The lay persons of Germany
were ordered to do this.
Every soldier has the DUTY to refuse to carry out an illegal order.
Yep, and when they did they got wrath.
There
was no coercion
You are too ignorant of history to converse with... I'm gone ----
please deal with what I said already - there is enough on your plate ;)
equired to get people to work in the death camps. After
all, the strong anti-semitic traditions of Catholicism and
Lutheranism wchih
Nazism played upon convinced many that the Jews really were subhuman
and
that it was god's will that they be exterminated
I'll ask you again. Was it religion that carried out the Holocaust
as
you implied it was the Lutherans?
It most certainly was Lutherans (and Cathiolics) who carried out the
holocaust. the Nazis didn't just deiced to be anti-semitic one day,
Catholicism and Lutheranism had laid the roots for this long ago.
Some how the Lutherans were all
gung-ho in carry this out?
History certainly seems to indicate this was the case. Here's a
little bit
of writing from Martin Luther (who founded Lutheranism, in case you
didn't
know) which coudl have been lifted straight from one fo Hitler's
speeches.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.htm
l
Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever
they have
their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer
selfglory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men
are
practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.
Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no
morsel
and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and
pilfered from
us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day,
together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as archthieves
and
robbers, in the most impenitent security.
I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under
your
rule if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so
that you
and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews,
lest
we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the
defamation,
and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly
against
the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all
Christians, all
authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection,
safeconduct, or
communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish
to
cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have
suggested. But
whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided
by his
own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.
Scary stuff, I'm sure you'll agree. And we can hardly remove Luther
from
Lutheranism, can we?
We can quibble over whether they were God fearing or not if
you liek, but to disprove my main point, you'd have to show
evidence
tah
tthe mjority religion of Germnay in those days was something
other
than
Lutheran.
No I cannot do that. Again, ( you said I think) I think it was out
of
context.
You don't think Mikey, random neurones may occasionally communicate
inside
that thick skull of yours, but only the most generous woudl call that
thinking.
It's really very simple, yet still way beyond your cognitive
ability, apparently.
- just your propaganda ***** that's all - just
like the propaganda piece you cite as proof Hitler was a God
fearing
Christian -lol ;)
Hilter's own words, Mikey..
Do you believe all propaganda as most judging of a character to a
dear
held beliefs as true?
I believe the historical record which shows Hitler was born a
Catholic, and
his numerous references to God and religion in his speeches and
writing, the
fact that the SS and Wemacht had "Gott mit uns" (God is with us)
uinscribed
on their belt buckles etc etc.
I am still waiting for some actual EVIDENCE from you to support your
position, rather than your worthless opinions.
do you have any quiotes where he lays claim to
aethesims? BWAHAHAHAHAHA....
Yes, I posted some with a link to more.
Nope, you're lying again Mikey. Those quotes referred to the weakness
of
Christianity.
I notice you never replied or
refuted.
There was no need to refute them, as Hitler didn't claim to be an
aetheist
in any of those quotes. Please post one where he DOES claim to be an
aetheist, or admit you lied.
Have a nice day ;)
I always do.
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27 Jan 2005 03:22:31 AM |
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1) Show the Germany wasn't a lutheran country
Mmm, well, actually a lot of Germans are Catholic.
Germany is not exclusively Lutheran any more than Lutheranism
is exclusively German.
OR Show that the holocaust
wasn't carried out by Germans
LOL. Not even going to try, that is well documented.
Perhaps one could say honestly that the perpetrators of the Holocaust
were not ALL German, just most of them.
2) Show a single quote from Hitler where he claims to be an aetheist.
Hmmm, he was heavily into the occult at one stage, don't recall him ever
claiming
to be atheist. He certainly pulled religious strings when it suited him.
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27 Jan 2005 04:57:02 AM |
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"The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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1) Show the Germany wasn't a lutheran country
Mmm, well, actually a lot of Germans are Catholic.
Absolutely, whether they were Lutheran or Catholic actually doesn't make any
difference to my argument, namely that "god fearing" Christians carrried out
the holocaust. The Ltheran areas are traditionally the north
Germany is not exclusively Lutheran
Never claimed it was. Merely that Lutheranism was the majority religion .
any more than Lutheranism
is exclusively German.
The period under discussion is 30's Germany,
http://countrystudies.us/germany/94.htm
"Prior to World War II, about two-thirds of the German population was
Protestant and the remainder Roman Catholic. Bavaria was a Roman Catholic
stronghold. Roman Catholics were also well represented in the populations of
Baden-Württemberg, the Saarland, and in much of the Rhineland. Elsewhere in
Germany, especially in the north and northeast, Protestants were in the
majority.
During the Hitler regime, except for individual acts of resistance, the
established churches were unable or unwilling to mount a serious challenge
to the supremacy of the state. A Nazi, Ludwig Müller, was installed as the
Lutheran bishop in Berlin"
OR Show that the holocaust
wasn't carried out by Germans
LOL. Not even going to try, that is well documented.
Perhaps one could say honestly that the perpetrators of the Holocaust
were not ALL German, just most of them.
Again, nothing I would argue against. Interesting to note that the state
religion of Estonia and Lithuania was... Lutheranism!
2) Show a single quote from Hitler where he claims to be an aetheist.
Hmmm, he was heavily into the occult at one stage,
Indeed.
don't recall him ever
claiming
to be atheist.
That's because he never, ever did. He was constantly citing "higher powers"
He certainly pulled religious strings when it suited him.
...and he was equally certainly no aetheist.
The CO
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27 Jan 2005 01:46:29 PM |
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tw wrote:
"The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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1) Show the Germany wasn't a lutheran country
Mmm, well, actually a lot of Germans are Catholic.
Absolutely, whether they were Lutheran or Catholic actually doesn't
make any
difference to my argument, namely that "god fearing" Christians
carrried out
the holocaust.
""god fearing" Christians carrried out
the holocaust. "
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ;)
First you add the word * majority* then you change 'Lutheran' to
'Christans'.
Stop squirming ;)
Liar as usual.
Here is exactly what you said:
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
I say this is a false assessment by your logic. ;)
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28 Jan 2005 03:09:16 AM |
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"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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tw wrote:
"The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:35rq6jF4qj41aU1@individual.net...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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1) Show the Germany wasn't a lutheran country
Mmm, well, actually a lot of Germans are Catholic.
Absolutely, whether they were Lutheran or Catholic actually doesn't
make any
difference to my argument, namely that "god fearing" Christians
carrried out
the holocaust.
""god fearing" Christians carrried out
the holocaust. "
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ;)
First you add the word * majority* then you change 'Lutheran' to
'Christans'.
Stop squirming ;)
Liar as usual.
Nope, not me.
Here is exactly what you said:
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
...as I have repeatedly show it was. YOu seem to think I wrote it was them
*exclusively*, perhaps this is what is confusing you Mikey? NO wonder you're
still in high school.
I say this is a false assessment by your logic. ;)
You wouldn't know logic if it punched you repeatedly in the face, you silly
man as you have just proved again
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27 Jan 2005 01:24:03 PM |
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tw wrote:
That's it mikey, run away without producing any facts again. How's
the
graduate-before-40 plan looking?
Here's what you need to do to refute my arguments:
Here is what I already did: I disqualified you because you added words
into your original statement - thus nullifying your argument and making
you the dishonest chump that you are.
When you want to pick up from your original words, then you can claim
credibility again - but until them this thread stands as a good
assessment of your logic. ;
ta daaaahhh ;)
Snip your excuses ;)
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28 Jan 2005 03:15:10 AM |
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That's it mikey, run away without producing any facts again. How's the
graduate-before-40 plan looking?
Here's what you need to do to refute my arguments: (which are "The holocaust
was carried out by lutherans" and "Hitler was not an aetheist")
1) Show the Germany wasn't a lutheran country OR Show that the holocaust
wasn't carried out by Germans
2) Show a single quote from Hitler where he claims to be an aetheist.
Try that, rather than your usual badly written, pompous, irrelevant churn.
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tw wrote:
That's it mikey, run away without producing any facts again. How's
the
graduate-before-40 plan looking?
Here's what you need to do to refute my arguments:
Here is what I already did: I disqualified you because you added words
into your original statement - thus nullifying your argument and making
you the dishonest chump that you are.
When you want to pick up from your original words, then you can claim
credibility again - but until them this thread stands as a good
assessment of your logic. ;
ta daaaahhh ;)
Snip your excuses ;)
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21 Jan 2005 11:37:28 PM |
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Not trying to Start a War here, but actually Hitler believed in a
Pure Arian (presumably Pagan/Norse/Lutheran) Race that was meant to
Inherit the World.
The 'Majority' of the NAZI Youth where the Athiest Rebels to which
you refer, but they where just there to carry out Hitler's
oppressions. A Majority of them moved on to becoming the SS core.
Hitler's hatred of the Jewish Community was based (for the most part)
on the presumption that they (seemed to be) were the only people to
prosper after the outcome of World War I.
Hitler's dillusion was he just didn't realize that the Arian Race was
based in Eastern Asia (not North Western Europe) as he presumed. (And
that they actually where deeply Religious in there Beliefs - although
not necessarily in the Christian or Hebrew sense.)
So, he basically created a 'Past' Race to fit his desires (and needs)
!!!
Just A Thought
kmiller
"Michael Johnathan McDonald" wrote
''What about the Holocaust then? Carried out by God-fearing Lutheran
protestants'' - tw. ( January 2005).
What planet was that? Not Earth and not in the 20th Century - that's
for sure. Is there any end to your ignorance? Or do we need to deal
with it forever?
To start off: Hitler was an Athiest. Gobles (Maybe Lutheran) and
Himmler were strong Pagans. nazi WAS not about religion.
About your conclusions:
We (being historians) know that it is your individual bias than an
assertion of historical fact -as is the case with most whom hold the
view that the NAZI party was 'God-fearing ' or Christians. This is
crap.
Hitler's private SS guards whom forged ahead (early in the war) in
France before the regular army went in began about destroying
everything to do with Christ. These are historical facts, all well
documented.
At the closing years of the NAZI party, Arabs joined in and fought
alongside the so called 'superior White Race' - thus the last years
of
the war - most of the SS troop divisions, and much of the last
recruited armies were foreigners from all over the world and
different
religions. One out of Five army personnel at the last year was
actually
national Germans.
Conclusion: The genocide of the Nazis of the Jews ( They slaughtered
Europeans as well - Also, See Russia, and English: Bombing of
England) was motivated by, economic desperation then race not
religion.
HITLER QUOTES:
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler.
<and do not exhaust his insults to Christianity, Protestant or
Catholic>
'Hitler's Secret Conversations' 1941-1944_ published by Farrar,
Straus
and Young, Inc. first edition, 1953. The book was published in
Britain
under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944, which title was
used
for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United
States.
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of
Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both
are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of
religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the
soul,
for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against
nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the
systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
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