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User: "dreamwalker"
Date: 15 Apr 2004 07:01:16 PM
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User: "Krib"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 16 Apr 2004 01:36:20 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing
the latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros.

Ancient tactic, divide and conquer. He's trying to isolate the USA by
offering Europe a truce with the implication that if they do not accept
then there's plenty more to come as happened in Madrid recently.

I believe UBL is beginning to loose touch with reality.

I doubt it, it was worth a try, he appears to hate the USA and wants
to concentrate his every resource in attacking them. It might even be
a way of getting some of Europe to relax their security measures in
future.

This recent blunder has left him weakened.

Once again I doubt it, it might even give him more strength because
here's one man offering many nations these terms and they treat them
seriously, even with the rejection of those terms how do you think that
looks to his supporters? it might also add to his support because of the
way he phrased it, (I'm paraphrasing here)...
He said if Europe stops attacking Iraqis they can have a truce, by rejecting
his offer they could be viewed as accepting that they are attacking Iraqis,
he holds the moral high ground in that case. You don't need to be an expert
to see the propoganda potential in his ploy.

I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome".

Then you're underestimating him.

Whatever the case, he fucked up.

I'm sure time will tell.
--
krib
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User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 16 Apr 2004 04:55:29 AM

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid>

wrote:


"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...

As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing
the latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros.

Ancient tactic, divide and conquer. He's trying to isolate the USA by
offering Europe a truce with the implication that if they do not accept
then there's plenty more to come as >happened in Madrid recently.

I agree.

I believe UBL is beginning to loose >>touch with reality.

I doubt it, it was worth a try, he appears to hate the USA and wants
to concentrate his every resource in attacking them. It might even be
a way of getting some of Europe to relax >their security measures in future.

This recent blunder has left him >>weakened.

Once again I doubt it, it might even give >him more strength because
here's one man offering many nations these terms and they treat them
seriously, even with the rejection of those terms how do you think that
looks to his supporters? it might also add to his support because of the
way he phrased it, (I'm paraphrasing >here)...

True.

He said if Europe stops attacking Iraqis they can have a truce, by rejecting
his offer they could be viewed as accepting that they are attacking Iraqis,
he holds the moral high ground in that case. You don't need to be an expert
to see the propoganda potential in his >ploy.

Good point.
Tony
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User: "baise moi"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 16 Apr 2004 11:05:25 PM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:<c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>...

As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened.
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown a-hole and
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he f-cked up.
--

Have to agree with U up to a point, Dreamwanker, but everything in
this world
is *not* always as it seems, abd certainly not as clear cut or black
and white as they appear to U......
Have U just for one moment considered that it may be just a ploy to
let the Europeans think he is the underdog ?!?!
We don't know what he has up his sleeve, WMD perhaps ?!?
He may be waiting for just the right convenient moment......
It's just a ploy in an overall strategim that hasn't even begun to be
fully played out yet -- and he may have suceeded because nobody knows
what cards he
still has up his sleeve...........
==============================================================================
.
User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 17 Apr 2004 12:33:53 AM
"baise moi" <baisemoi007jamesbond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message

news:<c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>...

As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened.
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown a-hole and
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he f-cked up.
--


Have to agree with U up to a point, Dreamwanker, but everything in
this world
is *not* always as it seems, abd certainly not as clear cut or black
and white as they appear to U......

Have U just for one moment considered that it may be just a ploy to
let the Europeans think he is the underdog ?!?!

We don't know what he has up his sleeve, WMD perhaps ?!?

He may be waiting for just the right convenient moment......

It's just a ploy in an overall strategim that hasn't even begun to be
fully played out yet -- and he may have suceeded because nobody knows
what cards he
still has up his sleeve...........

==========

Nope. None of that occured to me. Still hasn't.
====================================================================
.

User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 17 Apr 2004 06:26:45 AM

baisemoi007jamesbond@hotmail.com

wrote:

We don't know what he has up his >sleeve, WMD perhaps ?!?

And where would he get them?
Tony
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User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 16 Apr 2004 06:12:28 PM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him
weakened. I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler
Syndrome". Did any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement
wouldn't be such a great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other
possiblity is the allies are getting real close to burning his skinny
brown ***** and he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he
fucked up.
--------------------------------------------------------
First, are you sure he's even alive?
Consider:
He's chronically sick from kidney disease.
All we ever get are easily faked, hissy audiotapes.
We've seen no video of bin Laden attributable as post 2001.
Think, if bin-Laden had died a natural, non-heroic, un-martyred death…
what use would that be, to his cause? How difficult could it be to
perpetuate the legend ad-infinitum, pimpernel like? Can't catch a dead
man.
Second, what binny "brilliant political ideology"? Dr Ayman al-Zawahri
has always been the tactical intellect behind Al Qaeda. Osama: a
charismatic figurehead for his target market, a financier of his
terror outfit and a bogeyman to the rest. Plus, I would contend,
wild-goose chase generator.

As for the ceasefire offer: I'm sure al-Zawahri was perfectly aware of
the likely reaction of the European governments. I assume the offer
was aimed more toward their voters, ala Spain.
-A
.
User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 16 Apr 2004 08:37:00 PM
"Absolute Zero" <AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:ad960a96.0404161512.14d9ae37@posting.google.com...

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message

news:c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...

As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him
weakened. I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler
Syndrome". Did any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement
wouldn't be such a great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other
possiblity is the allies are getting real close to burning his skinny
brown ***** and he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he
fucked up.
--------------------------------------------------------

First, are you sure he's even alive?

I've had questions about that myself. At one time I thought not. Now I think he is. Why? Not sure.
Just a hunch.


Consider:
He's chronically sick from kidney disease.
All we ever get are easily faked, hissy audiotapes.
We've seen no video of bin Laden attributable as post 2001.

Good points.


Think, if bin-Laden had died a natural, non-heroic, un-martyred death.
what use would that be, to his cause? How difficult could it be to
perpetuate the legend ad-infinitum, pimpernel like? Can't catch a dead
man.

The world is chasing a ghost? Wouldn't be the first time. I'm still siding with the idea he's alive.
His death would be much too difficult to hush given the amount of detainees we now have.


Second, what binny "brilliant political ideology"? Dr Ayman al-Zawahri
has always been the tactical intellect behind Al Qaeda. Osama: a
charismatic figurehead for his target market, a financier of his
terror outfit and a bogeyman to the rest. Plus, I would contend,
wild-goose chase generator.

UBL is brilliant at combining political with radical religious views in a manner that resonates with
a misguided culture. He's a master manipulator of the underclass. Unfortunetly for UBL, he's
actually beginning to believe this "choosen one" *****. The only people that currently recognize
UBL as having any worth are his twisted followers(millions) and a few who hate America more than a
murderer. I'm guessing UBL is getting a little tired of having to live in obscurity. He wants the
recognition of a legitamate world political player and this is his attempt. He's trying with all his
might to fill that huge narcisstic void that came so painfully from a father that never gave him
recognition. Even with millions of neurotic followers throwing flowers, living in a fucking cave
goes only so far. After witnessing how he's become a laughing stock of the western world, an
incredible rage will well up from within. What will he do with that rage? Beat his wife? Like many
Muslims, he has too many. Quit his job? He hasn't worked an honest day in his life. Get drunk?
Against his religion. Blow up another soft target killing hundreds of innocents and then blame it on
George Bush to incite more hatred? Yeah, that's my guess.
Now to al-Zawahri. He's great with strategic MILITARY planning. His real strength, however, is in
organizing workable plans and recruting useful manpower. The good doctor has been only moderatly
effective at the political scene. Is he vital to UBL's cause? Sure. Indespensable? Nope. UBL would
have him killed in a heart beat if it was "Allah's will". No different than Adolf and Heinrich.


As for the ceasefire offer: I'm sure al-Zawahri was perfectly aware of
the likely reaction of the European governments. I assume the offer
was aimed more toward their voters, ala Spain.

My point is UBL.....not al-Zawahri....... wasn't aware of the "likely" reaction. You're giving him
far too much credit.
As far as the voters of Spain? Their minds were made up long before the train incident. Polls
reflected that loud and clear.
If UBL can effect Europes voting population, then America truely is alone in this war. Time will
tell on that that issue. If you're right, then all of Europe better get out the K-Y Jelly because
Arabs of UBL's stature have big long dicks.


-A

.
User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 17 Apr 2004 07:26:20 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:b531d$40808a3a$407628e5$2869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
[...]

First, are you sure he's even alive?


I've had questions about that myself. At one time I thought not. Now I think
he is. Why? Not sure. Just a hunch.


Consider:
He's chronically sick from kidney disease.
All we ever get are easily faked, hissy audiotapes.
We've seen no video of bin Laden attributable as post 2001.


Good points.


Think, if bin-Laden had died a natural, non-heroic, un-martyred death.
what use would that be, to his cause? How difficult could it be to
perpetuate the legend ad-infinitum, pimpernel like? Can't catch a dead
man.


The world is chasing a ghost? Wouldn't be the first time. I'm still siding
with the idea he's alive. His death would be much too difficult to hush
given the amount of detainees we now have.

By the same token then, we should have a decent clue as to his
whereabouts. Subsequent to the invasion of Afghanistan, UBL would
likely be surrounded by a small number of ultra-dedicated bodyguards,
primarily his sons I would suggest. It's not so unlikely, under those
circumstances that his passing could be kept quiet, given his huge
symbolic importance to Al Qaeda.
Time will tell... maybe.


Second, what binny "brilliant political ideology"? Dr Ayman al-Zawahri
has always been the tactical intellect behind Al Qaeda. Osama: a
charismatic figurehead for his target market, a financier of his
terror outfit and a bogeyman to the rest. Plus, I would contend,
wild-goose chase generator.


UBL is brilliant at combining political with radical religious views in a
manner that resonates with a misguided culture. He's a master manipulator
of the underclass. Unfortunetly for
UBL, he's actually beginning to believe this "choosen one" *****. The
only people that currently recognize UBL as having any worth are his twisted
followers(millions) and a few who hate America more than a murderer. I'm
guessing UBL is getting a little tired of having to live in obscurity. He
wants the recognition of a legitamate world political player and this is his
attempt. He's trying with all his might to fill that huge narcisstic void
that came so painfully from a father that never gave him recognition. Even
with millions of neurotic followers throwing flowers, living in a fucking
cave goes only so far. After witnessing how he's become a laughing stock of
the western world, an incredible rage will well up from within. What will he
do with that rage? Beat his wife? Like many Muslims, he has too many. Quit
his job? He hasn't worked an honest day in his life. Get drunk?
Against his religion. Blow up another soft target killing hundreds of
innocents and then blame it on George Bush to incite more hatred? Yeah,
that's my guess.

Now to al-Zawahri. He's great with strategic MILITARY planning. His real
strength, however, is in organizing workable plans and recruting useful
manpower. The good doctor has been only moderatly effective at the political > scene. Is he vital to UBL's cause? Sure. Indespensable? Nope. UBL would
have him killed in a heart beat if it was "Allah's will". No different
than Adolf and Heinrich.

I don't see how you can so reliably isolate UBL's contribution. Okay,
so I did likewise... but Dr Z has a long track record, pre AQ, back to
Egypt, that demonstrates his political/religious craft and cunning.




As for the ceasefire offer: I'm sure al-Zawahri was perfectly aware of
the likely reaction of the European governments. I assume the offer
was aimed more toward their voters, ala Spain.


My point is UBL.....not al-Zawahri.......

Well yes, but to word it your way would counter my proposal of UBL as
worm
food.

wasn't aware of the "likely" reaction. You're giving him far too much
credit.

Over the years they've shown considerable nous.


As far as the voters of Spain? Their minds were made up long before the
train incident. Polls reflected that loud and clear.

Don't know where you get that from... link? All the polls I've seen
show Aznar leading by 4% just before the attack. I've already had this
argument with tw, if he could've shown what you're saying, he
would've, in a heartbeat.


If UBL can effect Europes voting population,

To varying degrees. Spain was vulnerable. Here I'd suspect that a
major attack would be approximately neutral in terms of its polling
effects.

then America truely is alone in this war.

The POTUS has urinated oceans of support by opportunistically
exploiting 9/11 to take down Saddam. You're wouldn't seriously suggest
that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with the war on Al Qaeda,
would you?

Time will tell on that that issue. If you're right, then all of Europe
better get out the K-Y Jelly because Arabs of UBL's stature have big long
dicks.

You've got to be jelking :)
-A
.
User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 17 Apr 2004 02:49:06 PM
"Absolute Zero" <AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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[...]

First, are you sure he's even alive?


I've had questions about that myself. At one time I thought not. Now I think
he is. Why? Not sure. Just a hunch.


Consider:
He's chronically sick from kidney disease.
All we ever get are easily faked, hissy audiotapes.
We've seen no video of bin Laden attributable as post 2001.


Good points.


Think, if bin-Laden had died a natural, non-heroic, un-martyred death.
what use would that be, to his cause? How difficult could it be to
perpetuate the legend ad-infinitum, pimpernel like? Can't catch a dead
man.


The world is chasing a ghost? Wouldn't be the first time. I'm still siding
with the idea he's alive. His death would be much too difficult to hush
given the amount of detainees we now have.


By the same token then, we should have a decent clue as to his
whereabouts. Subsequent to the invasion of Afghanistan, UBL would
likely be surrounded by a small number of ultra-dedicated bodyguards,
primarily his sons I would suggest. It's not so unlikely, under those
circumstances that his passing could be kept quiet, given his huge
symbolic importance to Al Qaeda.

Time will tell... maybe.


Second, what binny "brilliant political ideology"? Dr Ayman al-Zawahri
has always been the tactical intellect behind Al Qaeda. Osama: a
charismatic figurehead for his target market, a financier of his
terror outfit and a bogeyman to the rest. Plus, I would contend,
wild-goose chase generator.


UBL is brilliant at combining political with radical religious views in a
manner that resonates with a misguided culture. He's a master manipulator
of the underclass. Unfortunetly for
UBL, he's actually beginning to believe this "choosen one" *****. The
only people that currently recognize UBL as having any worth are his twisted
followers(millions) and a few who hate America more than a murderer. I'm
guessing UBL is getting a little tired of having to live in obscurity. He
wants the recognition of a legitamate world political player and this is his
attempt. He's trying with all his might to fill that huge narcisstic void
that came so painfully from a father that never gave him recognition. Even
with millions of neurotic followers throwing flowers, living in a fucking
cave goes only so far. After witnessing how he's become a laughing stock of
the western world, an incredible rage will well up from within. What will he
do with that rage? Beat his wife? Like many Muslims, he has too many. Quit
his job? He hasn't worked an honest day in his life. Get drunk?
Against his religion. Blow up another soft target killing hundreds of
innocents and then blame it on George Bush to incite more hatred? Yeah,
that's my guess.

Now to al-Zawahri. He's great with strategic MILITARY planning. His real
strength, however, is in organizing workable plans and recruting useful
manpower. The good doctor has been only moderatly effective at the political > scene. Is he

vital to UBL's cause? Sure. Indespensable? Nope. UBL would

have him killed in a heart beat if it was "Allah's will". No different
than Adolf and Heinrich.


I don't see how you can so reliably isolate UBL's contribution. Okay,
so I did likewise... but Dr Z has a long track record, pre AQ, back to
Egypt, that demonstrates his political/religious craft and cunning.




As for the ceasefire offer: I'm sure al-Zawahri was perfectly aware of
the likely reaction of the European governments. I assume the offer
was aimed more toward their voters, ala Spain.


My point is UBL.....not al-Zawahri.......


Well yes, but to word it your way would counter my proposal of UBL as
worm
food.

wasn't aware of the "likely" reaction. You're giving him far too much
credit.


Over the years they've shown considerable nous.


As far as the voters of Spain? Their minds were made up long before the
train incident. Polls reflected that loud and clear.


Don't know where you get that from... link? All the polls I've seen
show Aznar leading by 4% just before the attack. I've already had this
argument with tw, if he could've shown what you're saying, he
would've, in a heartbeat.


If UBL can effect Europes voting population,


To varying degrees. Spain was vulnerable. Here I'd suspect that a
major attack would be approximately neutral in terms of its polling
effects.

then America truely is alone in this war.


The POTUS has urinated oceans of support by opportunistically
exploiting 9/11 to take down Saddam. You're wouldn't seriously suggest
that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with the war on Al Qaeda,
would you?

The war is on terrorisim, not Al Qaeda. I'm sure you realize that Al Qaeda has become only a buzz
word. To view this only as a war on Al Qaeda is myopic. To only battle terrorism without offering
other options to those in the middle east means the battle is doomed. I support Bush's vision of
working toward a free and productive Iraq. Just as I would've supported the Marshall Plan. Could you
imagine the world today if the Truman had listened to the naysayers and rejected George Marshall's
plan? The battle in Iraq ties directly into the war on terror. IMO, the two can't be seperated.


Time will tell on that that issue. If you're right, then all of Europe
better get out the K-Y Jelly because Arabs of UBL's stature have big long
dicks.


You've got to be jelking :)

-A

.
User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 18 Apr 2004 10:33:45 AM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"Absolute Zero" <AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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[...]

then America truely is alone in this war.


The POTUS has urinated oceans of support by opportunistically
exploiting 9/11 to take down Saddam. You're wouldn't seriously suggest
that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with the war on Al Qaeda,
would you?


The war is on terrorisim, not Al Qaeda. I'm sure you realize that Al Qaeda
has become only a buzz word.

Sure, the advantage of a disparate structure, a "messiah-like" leader
and
zillions of wannabe groups, all over, means that maybe only a fraction
of the
claimed attacks are genuine AQ. More ghosts... attacks all the same,
but not
the same threat.

To view this only as a war on Al Qaeda is myopic. To only battle terrorism
without offering other options to those in the middle east means the battle
is doomed. I support Bush's vision of working toward a free and productive
Iraq. Just as I would've supported the Marshall Plan. Could you imagine the
world today if the Truman had listened to the naysayers and rejected George
Marshall's plan? The battle in Iraq ties directly into the war on terror.
IMO, the two can't be separated.

Let's skip the damn lies used to justify the invasion and cut to the
bottom line: I might be tempted to support the invasion on a "greater
good" basis, if I thought for one second that an explosion of peace
and democracy would likely rip through the region. It won't,
au-contraire.
You went in with a post conflict plan that must've been drawn up on
the back of an envelope. Apparently one of the models used was that of
the rise of free markets in the former communist bloc. Eh?
Mention should be made of America's legendary aptitude for pissing off
the natives, wherever, it stems from arrogance of ocean-going
proportions.
You could learn a bit from the hearts-and-minds campaign in the
environs of Basra.
You could learn a deal from reading "The Art of War" by some ancient
gook. No, I said reading it, not looking for the pictures.
How dumb was it to disband the Iraqi Army? Hey, let's make
400,000-armed men
unemployed. It's not as if they couldn't be useful or anything.
And on and on and on... enough already. Let me tell you how it's gonna
be (again*). For years hence, Iraq will be in clear and imminent
danger of fracture and collapse, you've made it so. Whether you want
to or not, your forces are going to be stuck there taking hit after
hit with no easy way out. It doesn't matter who is elected, walk away
and Iraq will go critical in weeks, UN or no. Instead of creating a
wave of democracy in the region you've shaped a wave of unrest, chaos
and err, terrorism. Congrats, you big dumb fucks (see, I said I'd get
over it).
*I can show 2001/2/3 posts that I've made, stating the US would get
stuck in Iraq for more than 10 years.. I think Tony and Dee have
stopped laughing now.
This is all the sadder because of what WAS achieved by Marshall... but
in those days true giants (FDR/Truman, Churchill) stalked the great
offices of state.. not the mental pygmies we get to scoff at nowadays.
Is it blind patriotism that has you clinging to the cabal at the helm,
or do you REALLY think they have a clue? Survey says...
-A
.
User: "christisdore"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 19 Apr 2004 09:54:46 PM
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[...]

then America truely is alone in this war.


The POTUS has urinated oceans of support by opportunistically
exploiting 9/11 to take down Saddam. You're wouldn't seriously suggest
that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with the war on Al Qaeda,
would you?


The war is on terrorisim, not Al Qaeda. I'm sure you realize that Al Qaeda
has become only a buzz word.


Sure, the advantage of a disparate structure, a "messiah-like" leader
and
zillions of wannabe groups, all over, means that maybe only a fraction
of the
claimed attacks are genuine AQ. More ghosts... attacks all the same,
but not
the same threat.

To view this only as a war on Al Qaeda is myopic. To only battle terrorism
without offering other options to those in the middle east means the battle
is doomed. I support Bush's vision of working toward a free and productive
Iraq. Just as I would've supported the Marshall Plan. Could you imagine the
world today if the Truman had listened to the naysayers and rejected George
Marshall's plan? The battle in Iraq ties directly into the war on terror.
IMO, the two can't be separated.


Let's skip the damn lies used to justify the invasion and cut to the
bottom line: I might be tempted to support the invasion on a "greater
good" basis, if I thought for one second that an explosion of peace
and democracy would likely rip through the region. It won't,
au-contraire.

You went in with a post conflict plan that must've been drawn up on
the back of an envelope. Apparently one of the models used was that of
the rise of free markets in the former communist bloc. Eh?

Mention should be made of America's legendary aptitude for pissing off
the natives, wherever, it stems from arrogance of ocean-going
proportions.

You could learn a bit from the hearts-and-minds campaign in the
environs of Basra.

You could learn a deal from reading "The Art of War" by some ancient
gook. No, I said reading it, not looking for the pictures.

How dumb was it to disband the Iraqi Army? Hey, let's make
400,000-armed men
unemployed. It's not as if they couldn't be useful or anything.

And on and on and on... enough already. Let me tell you how it's gonna
be (again*). For years hence, Iraq will be in clear and imminent
danger of fracture and collapse, you've made it so. Whether you want
to or not, your forces are going to be stuck there taking hit after
hit with no easy way out. It doesn't matter who is elected, walk away
and Iraq will go critical in weeks, UN or no. Instead of creating a
wave of democracy in the region you've shaped a wave of unrest, chaos
and err, terrorism. Congrats, you big dumb fucks (see, I said I'd get
over it).

*I can show 2001/2/3 posts that I've made, stating the US would get
stuck in Iraq for more than 10 years.. I think Tony and Dee have
stopped laughing now.

I work full-time, so I miss a lot by only reading subject headers
usually. Though it's not a funny matter, the US occupation won't come
close to lasting ten years or more.
Prophecies are partly right on that one, I believe.

This is all the sadder because of what WAS achieved by Marshall... but
in those days true giants (FDR/Truman, Churchill) stalked the great
offices of state.. not the mental pygmies we get to scoff at nowadays.
Is it blind patriotism that has you clinging to the cabal at the helm,
or do you REALLY think they have a clue? Survey says...

-A

.
User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 20 Apr 2004 06:54:16 AM
"christisdore" <christisdore@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie (Absolute Zero) wrote in message

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[...]


*I can show 2001/2/3 posts that I've made, stating the US would get
stuck in Iraq for more than 10 years.. I think Tony and Dee have
stopped laughing now.



Huloo!

I work full-time,

Many of us do.

so I miss a lot by only reading subject headers
usually. Though it's not a funny matter, the US occupation won't come
close to lasting ten years or more.

Prophecies are partly right on that one, I believe.

Define "occupation" - I'm referring to US forces, what do you mean
exactly?
Put your head on the block for once Dee, state how the situation in
Iraq (& the region) is going to change such that the USM can withdraw
without it falling to pieces. The UN? Iran? Syria? Or... wait and see?
Prophetic trade secret? noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
-A



This is all the sadder because of what WAS achieved by Marshall... but
in those days true giants (FDR/Truman, Churchill) stalked the great
offices of state.. not the mental pygmies we get to scoff at nowadays.
Is it blind patriotism that has you clinging to the cabal at the helm,
or do you REALLY think they have a clue? Survey says...

-A

.
User: "christisdore"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 20 Apr 2004 06:24:12 PM
(Absolute Zero) wrote in message news:<ad960a96.0404200354.3dd13992@posting.google.com>...

"christisdore" <christisdore@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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(Absolute Zero) wrote in message

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[...]


*I can show 2001/2/3 posts that I've made, stating the US would get
stuck in Iraq for more than 10 years.. I think Tony and Dee have
stopped laughing now.




Huloo!

I work full-time,


Many of us do.

Good. Again you deleted your sadness about your awesome nonprophetic
capabilities. I could be laughing; except I have been only looking at
subject headers lately, plus some choice topics. So I could be
laughing.

so I miss a lot by only reading subject headers
usually. Though it's not a funny matter, the US occupation won't come
close to lasting ten years or more.

Prophecies are partly right on that one, I believe.


Define "occupation" - I'm referring to US forces, what do you mean
exactly?

A US president will eventually see that a US-led coalition cannot
succeed in doing anything except alienating the world against American
interests. Remember there are spirits who want 4 billion humans dead
to fulfill the Revelation prophecies. They have been programmed that
way.
You must see the box or matrix (the collective consciousness) to think
outside of it. People say the gods and spirits come from outside the
box, but that is thinking within the box (99.99999% of archetypes come
from within the box). Go ask your oracle friend. Don't ask
Kirkpatrick's followers. You thought prophecies were impossible
because of free will, and used Kirky as a source, with his Cayce
analysis.

Put your head on the block for once Dee, state how the situation in
Iraq (& the region) is going to change such that the USM can withdraw
without it falling to pieces. The UN? Iran? Syria? Or... wait and see?

Moi?...With geopolitical knowledge?
Simple really (not me, the answer...not Iverson).
Friedman of Stratfor.com predicted the entire scenario weeks before
Bush's inauguration. Russia and China are afraid of the missile
defense. Even though Russia and China have terrorism and insurgency
problems themselves, involving Muslims, they wouldn't mind seeing US
money and military forces stretched thin around the globe, on a large
scale. They got their wish, because GW Bush has a thing or itch for
Saddam.
That's the large picture, and Putin is a master at pretending he is
with Bush and not against (you're either with or against...). It's
probable that many scientist types from several nations cleaned up any
deadly and useable wmds in Iraq.
Obviously the way out of the mess involves the UN. Condie Rice
recently said that she doesn't see why a UN force would succeed in
stopping the "thugs" any better than the US-led coalition. Ermm. It's
true that many of the insurgents are using guerilla tactics and are
harming civilian police and taking hostages from many nations. That is
thuggish. And both forces Muslim and US-led are harming civilian
families. We don't get to see the maimed young or female victims on
our CNN.
But who are the thugs? Our best young fighters from the US and UK are
fighting because Bush has an itch for Saddam, and he lied about wmds;
and Blair the lapdog provided el primo stupity in his dossier to
support Bush. Blair even said Saddam could deploy wmds within minutes
aginst other countries.
Of course the Iraqi insurgents won't face the US tanks and planes and
helicopters head on. That would be pointless suicide. But Iraq is
their homeland. And if the Shiites don't want American occupation (the
Sunnis apparently don't), the US-led coalition isn't "liberating"
anyone there by staying; except liberating more people from their
earthly existence.
It seems obvious that GW Bush is the most hated human on earth, by the
general populations of most countries. Stupid Nader decided to run on
a scorched earth platform. Instead of letting the lesser "evil" (A.
Gore) win; he let the greater evil to the environment and
international relations and the Israeli peace process win by joining
the previous race.
Now you have Bush the hated plus Condie who says the UN would be
ineffective, stating the case that the US military must stay till the
job is finished. What job?...Maybe till the death count of Iraqis
reaches more hundreds of thousands.
Times are different now since the days of FDR. Heck, the journalists
didn't even let the public see that FDR was wheelchair bound, from
polio for much of his presidential tenure. So, now we have people
playing to the media. Bush and Condie might fool our patriotic urge as
Americans, but they aren't playing well overseas, I would say.
So if no one cared or watched the Iraqi insurgents or the Palestinian
struggle; the resistance fighters probably would struggle less. But
people are watching, journalists are present, and people around the
world do care, intensely or mildly.
As for UN forces, they could fight well enough; after all, it's not
like taking on the North Koreans and the Chinese in the Korean War.
The Islamic Iranian Revolution put the label of the "Great Satan" on
America. The Muslim fighters actually believe that the US is the great
satan. That makes them fight harder. Journalists are watching. That
makes the resistance fight harder. Osama bin Laden and his ilk were
our (US) men, when they fought the Soviets in Afghanistan. Saddam was
our man, when he killled many Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War. Bin Laden
didn't like US interference in Saudi politics, so he became an enemy
of the US, and trained terrorists with tactics he might have learned
from the CIA, plus al Zawahiri was some sort of terrorist genius.
What happens if Bush and Condie pull US troops out of Iraq now?
Obviously, a civil war would take place. Iran and Syria would
interfere, etc.
Obviously a US president will eventually decide that an UN force
should be peacekeepers in Iraq, until the danger of a civil war
subsides. Very simple: a world force on a peacekeeping mission. No
more cries of "great satan", or (globally unpopular) "Bush wants our
oil". No one would care about Iraqi gripes against a UN force of
peacekeepers. Even the Arab states might contribute troops (they did
in Gulf War 1 because Kuwait was attacked and occupied), since it
would be a peacekeeping mission. No more cameras to play in front of.
No theatrics, unless the UN force were corrupted by partisanship,
which would be easy to spot, since the same lies (we've seen) can't
always work.
There you go. A UN force should get the vast majority of the US
military out of Iraq, so that many lives can be saved. Whether it
happens next year or 5 years from now is the question. Certainly
forget about ten years of US occupation in Iraq. Armageddon
enthusiasts might want that to kill off 4 billion people a la the Book
of Revelation. But sensible people would not want 4 billion dead, and
so would want a UN peacekeeping force.

Prophetic trade secret? noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

The Bible, bibble, babble, must be debated someday. And the debate
should last several years. Jesus is hot stuff on many continents; but
not in Asia, fortunately.
Ummm. I have used my time unwisely. Lurking is better. I'll choose
when and where to reply. Excuse typos.
..................................

-A



This is all the sadder because of what WAS achieved by Marshall... but
in those days true giants (FDR/Truman, Churchill) stalked the great
offices of state.. not the mental pygmies we get to scoff at nowadays.
Is it blind patriotism that has you clinging to the cabal at the helm,
or do you REALLY think they have a clue? Survey says...

-A

.



User: "Dani"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 19 Apr 2004 12:14:05 AM
On 18 Apr 2004 08:33:45 -0700,
(Absolute
Zero) wrote:

Let's skip the damn lies used to justify the invasion and cut to the
bottom line: I might be tempted to support the invasion on a "greater
good" basis, if I thought for one second that an explosion of peace
and democracy would likely rip through the region. It won't,
au-contraire.

...and a big "ME TOO"!!! 'Couldn't agree more, Amy.. but it ain't
happening. It was a big fat lie with dire consequences that ripped
through the hearts, souls, and *lives* of many too many.. and I see no
end in sight.
Dani
.
User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 19 Apr 2004 05:34:52 AM
"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2bo6809abvgvpuv5p414e60bcud3eb1roi@4ax.com...

On 18 Apr 2004 08:33:45 -0700,

(Absolute
Zero) wrote:

Let's skip the damn lies used to justify the invasion and cut to the
bottom line: I might be tempted to support the invasion on a "greater
good" basis, if I thought for one second that an explosion of peace
and democracy would likely rip through the region. It won't,
au-contraire.


..and a big "ME TOO"!!! 'Couldn't agree more, Amy.. but it ain't
happening. It was a big fat lie with dire consequences that ripped
through the hearts, souls, and *lives* of many too many.. and I see no
end in sight.

Dani

The prideful Leo in me can't help feeling vindicated about this
horrible
mess... and then guilty for being so at such cost to life. From me to
you,
Jan last year.
================================
"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:auc33vgkbacvr1ttqm8kdhvenjh3ampqn8@4ax.com...

..About the War.

<Common sense snipped>


If it means 1000's of lives can be spared
...why can't we wait?

Because...
a) GWB has marched his troops to the top of the hill and it would be
political suicide to march them back down again.
b) Come late autumn, the continued uncertainty will have left its mark
on the markets, the economy and the polls.
c) There's no guarantee that the weapons inspectors *will* find
anything dramatic and it won't look good if they don't.
d) Support will ebb away; opposition will increase.
e) Jr wants his war and he wants it NOW !!
It's almost certainly going to happen.
The good news...
It will be a walk in the park militarily.
The bad news...
The USA will stuck there for 10 to 20 years.
A hornet's nest of consequence will flow from it.
[...]
================================
Re that "walk in the park" - I was referring to the invasion itself,
not the fun and games after.
"and I see no end in sight." - None, this will run and run and... I
can't see how Kerry will be able to back us out of it, as much as he
might like to.
-A
.
User: "christisdore"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 19 Apr 2004 10:00:41 PM
(Absolute Zero) wrote in message news:<ad960a96.0404190234.7597664b@posting.google.com>...

"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2bo6809abvgvpuv5p414e60bcud3eb1roi@4ax.com...

On 18 Apr 2004 08:33:45 -0700,

(Absolute
Zero) wrote:

Let's skip the damn lies used to justify the invasion and cut to the
bottom line: I might be tempted to support the invasion on a "greater
good" basis, if I thought for one second that an explosion of peace
and democracy would likely rip through the region. It won't,
au-contraire.


..and a big "ME TOO"!!! 'Couldn't agree more, Amy.. but it ain't
happening. It was a big fat lie with dire consequences that ripped
through the hearts, souls, and *lives* of many too many.. and I see no
end in sight.

Dani


The prideful Leo in me can't help feeling vindicated about this
horrible
mess... and then guilty for being so at such cost to life. From me to
you,
Jan last year.

================================
"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:auc33vgkbacvr1ttqm8kdhvenjh3ampqn8@4ax.com...

..About the War.


<Common sense snipped>


If it means 1000's of lives can be spared
...why can't we wait?


Because...
a) GWB has marched his troops to the top of the hill and it would be
political suicide to march them back down again.

b) Come late autumn, the continued uncertainty will have left its mark
on the markets, the economy and the polls.

c) There's no guarantee that the weapons inspectors *will* find
anything dramatic and it won't look good if they don't.

d) Support will ebb away; opposition will increase.

e) Jr wants his war and he wants it NOW !!

It's almost certainly going to happen.

The good news...
It will be a walk in the park militarily.

The bad news...
The USA will stuck there for 10 to 20 years.
A hornet's nest of consequence will flow from it.

[...]
================================

Re that "walk in the park" - I was referring to the invasion itself,
not the fun and games after.

"and I see no end in sight." - None, this will run and run and... I
can't see how Kerry will be able to back us out of it, as much as he
might like to.

It's obvious how to stop the whole mess. Look at who are the permanent
members of the UN Security Council.

-A

.
User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 20 Apr 2004 06:55:38 AM
"christisdore" <christisdore@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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AmyCaton@GoFree.indigo.ie (Absolute Zero) wrote in message

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[...]


"and I see no end in sight." - None, this will run and run and... I
can't see how Kerry will be able to back us out of it, as much as he
might like to.



It's obvious how to stop the whole mess. Look at who are the permanent
members of the UN Security Council.

State the "obvious" willya?
-A
.


User: "Dani"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 19 Apr 2004 10:10:04 PM
On 19 Apr 2004 03:34:52 -0700,
(Absolute
Zero) wrote:

"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2bo6809abvgvpuv5p414e60bcud3eb1roi@4ax.com...

On 18 Apr 2004 08:33:45 -0700,

(Absolute
Zero) wrote:

Let's skip the damn lies used to justify the invasion and cut to the
bottom line: I might be tempted to support the invasion on a "greater
good" basis, if I thought for one second that an explosion of peace
and democracy would likely rip through the region. It won't,
au-contraire.


..and a big "ME TOO"!!! 'Couldn't agree more, Amy.. but it ain't
happening. It was a big fat lie with dire consequences that ripped
through the hearts, souls, and *lives* of many too many.. and I see no
end in sight.

The prideful Leo in me

Leo .. :) I'm the stubborn down to earth Capricorn - the "climber" so
they say.

can't help feeling vindicated about this
horrible
mess... and then guilty for being so at such cost to life. From me to
you,
Jan last year.

================================
"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:auc33vgkbacvr1ttqm8kdhvenjh3ampqn8@4ax.com...

..About the War.


<Common sense snipped>


If it means 1000's of lives can be spared
...why can't we wait?


Because...
a) GWB has marched his troops to the top of the hill and it would be
political suicide to march them back down again.

b) Come late autumn, the continued uncertainty will have left its mark
on the markets, the economy and the polls.

c) There's no guarantee that the weapons inspectors *will* find
anything dramatic and it won't look good if they don't.

d) Support will ebb away; opposition will increase.

e) Jr wants his war and he wants it NOW !!

It's almost certainly going to happen.

The good news...
It will be a walk in the park militarily.

The bad news...
The USA will stuck there for 10 to 20 years.
A hornet's nest of consequence will flow from it.

Ah christ, 10 to 20 years? I'd be high-tailin' it outta here long
before then.

[...]
================================

Re that "walk in the park" - I was referring to the invasion itself,
not the fun and games after.

"and I see no end in sight." - None, this will run and run and... I
can't see how Kerry will be able to back us out of it, as much as he
might like to.

I'm willing to give him a try. Believe me. His last name isn't Bush
and that's (sadly) all that matters at this point.
Dani

-A

.
User: "Absolute Zero"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 20 Apr 2004 06:56:48 AM
"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb5980lvlk3vs2elqa26jog9imb1frrug1@4ax.com...

On 19 Apr 2004 03:34:52 -0700,

(Absolute
Zero) wrote:


Re that "walk in the park" - I was referring to the invasion itself,
not the fun and games after.

"and I see no end in sight." - None, this will run and run and... I
can't see how Kerry will be able to back us out of it, as much as he
might like to.


I'm willing to give him a try. Believe me. His last name isn't Bush
and that's (sadly) all that matters at this point.

Absolutely, I know I would.
-A
.

User: "cesar"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 19 Apr 2004 10:16:10 PM
"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tb5980lvlk3vs2elqa26jog9imb1frrug1@4ax.com...

On 19 Apr 2004 03:34:52 -0700,

(Absolute
Zero) wrote:

"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2bo6809abvgvpuv5p414e60bcud3eb1roi@4ax.com...

On 18 Apr 2004 08:33:45 -0700,

(Absolute
Zero) wrote:

Let's skip the damn lies used to justify the invasion and cut to the
bottom line: I might be tempted to support the invasion on a "greater
good" basis, if I thought for one second that an explosion of peace
and democracy would likely rip through the region. It won't,
au-contraire.


..and a big "ME TOO"!!! 'Couldn't agree more, Amy.. but it ain't
happening. It was a big fat lie with dire consequences that ripped
through the hearts, souls, and *lives* of many too many.. and I see no
end in sight.


The prideful Leo in me


Leo .. :) I'm the stubborn down to earth Capricorn - the "climber" so
they say.

can't help feeling vindicated about this
horrible
mess... and then guilty for being so at such cost to life. From me to
you,
Jan last year.

================================
"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:auc33vgkbacvr1ttqm8kdhvenjh3ampqn8@4ax.com...

..About the War.


<Common sense snipped>


If it means 1000's of lives can be spared
...why can't we wait?


Because...
a) GWB has marched his troops to the top of the hill and it would be
political suicide to march them back down again.

b) Come late autumn, the continued uncertainty will have left its mark
on the markets, the economy and the polls.

c) There's no guarantee that the weapons inspectors *will* find
anything dramatic and it won't look good if they don't.

d) Support will ebb away; opposition will increase.

e) Jr wants his war and he wants it NOW !!

It's almost certainly going to happen.

The good news...
It will be a walk in the park militarily.

The bad news...
The USA will stuck there for 10 to 20 years.
A hornet's nest of consequence will flow from it.


Ah christ, 10 to 20 years? I'd be high-tailin' it outta here long
before then.

[...]
================================

Re that "walk in the park" - I was referring to the invasion itself,
not the fun and games after.

"and I see no end in sight." - None, this will run and run and... I
can't see how Kerry will be able to back us out of it, as much as he
might like to.


I'm willing to give him a try. Believe me. His last name isn't Bush
and that's (sadly) all that matters at this point.

Dani

-A

You know? Kerry is a moisturizing lotion and Scripture says the Devil hangs
out in dry places (like Iraq).
cesar
.
User: "Dani"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 19 Apr 2004 10:18:42 PM
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 03:16:10 GMT, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:

You know? Kerry is a moisturizing lotion and Scripture says the Devil hangs
out in dry places (like Iraq).

Fuckin' A.
Dani
.










User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 15 Apr 2004 07:29:03 PM
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As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always =
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the =
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning =
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened. =
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did =
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a =
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the =
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown ***** and =
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he fucked up.

Nah, don't think so. He must have known perfectly well that Europe would not go
along with him. He's probably going to use it to demonstrate how Europe "chose"
to align themselve with evil, or something.
I think we're seeing that muslim invasion in the making....
Woods
.
User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 15 Apr 2004 09:17:21 PM
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>, "dreamwalker"

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As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always =
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the =
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning =
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened. =
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did =
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a =
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the =
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown ***** and =
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he fucked up.


Nah, don't think so. He must have known perfectly well that Europe would not go
along with him.

Not if he's loosing touch.

He's probably going to use it to demonstrate how Europe "chose"
to align themselve with evil, or something.

UBL is a sociopath. He doesn't need to justify his actions to himself or anyone else. In his mind,
he's the Alpha and Omega.

I think we're seeing that muslim invasion in the making....

The invasion of radical Islam began following the fall the USSR and their defeat in the Afghan
region.
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User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 16 Apr 2004 04:03:38 PM
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:<22241$407f4230$407628d4$23978@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>...
I do not believe that people do not bring up his decades long use of
heroin, and the best in the world (Pure from Afghanistan) for that
matter. His abuse long known in the intelligence community has brought
him close to death many times. Remember the reports that he was
administered in a French Hospital sometime in late '90s ( It think –
close to 2000), well it was for dialysis treatments for deteriorating
kidneys. The real reason was he was doing a blood transfusion, the
same process that the Rolling Stones have admitted too, for cleaning
their blood system from the toxins of long drug use. Do you not think
that this long abuse of this highly addictive drug has not impaired
his judgment on a number of things?
Also, another reporter has linked to Moveon.org and the lifting of
democratic rhetoric against bush in the most recent, CIA, confirmation
of this speech in this topic. For example, I have never heard the
Arabs use the work ‘ilk' before. This was in the speech.
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User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 16 Apr 2004 04:50:30 AM

woodswun@tepidmail.com

wrote:

Nah, don't think so. He must have known >perfectly well that Europe would not
go along with him. He's probably going >to use it to demonstrate how Europe
"chose" to align themselve with evil, or >something.

I agree, he will use it as an excuse to launch further attacks in Europe,
attack which are already in planning.

I think we're seeing that muslim invasion >in the making....
Woods

France is already 20% Muslim.
Tony
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User: "Jean Guernon"

Title: Re: UBL is loosing it. 15 Apr 2004 07:50:23 PM
Woodswun a écrit:

In article <c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>, "dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote:

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As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always =
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the =
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning =
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened. =
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did =
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a =
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the =
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown ***** and =
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he fucked up.



Nah, don't think so. He must have known perfectly well that Europe would not go
along with him. He's probably going to use it to demonstrate how Europe "chose"
to align themselve with evil, or something.

I think we're seeing that muslim invasion in the making....

Woods

Besides, Hitler did that all the time, make peace deals, but never respecting
them. Anti-semite assholes are all like that, all they say is lies.
Never trust an anti-semite!
Terrorists are the same thing. never make a deal with terrorists. it can only be
worst if one caves in.
And UBL is both. So it doesn't matter in the first degree what he says, it can
never be trusted. like all these kind of assholes, he has no honesty, he will
always attack and pretend he is the victim.
He is a worm... reminds me of zaaakass, but it is probably because he kisses his
*****.
J.
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User: "eric davis"

Title: Dreamer is Dreaming again. 15 Apr 2004 10:47:46 PM
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I think those of us who still live on Planet Earth, realize it is Bush =
that fucked up.
eric.
dreamwalker <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message =
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As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always =
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the =
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning =
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened. =
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did =
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a =
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the =
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown ***** and =
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he fucked up
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User: "dreamwalker"

Title: Re: Dreamer is Dreaming again. 15 Apr 2004 08:35:22 PM
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Bust any seal skulls lately? I hear it's a growing profession in your =
area. LOL
"eric davis" <ericdavis600@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
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I think those of us who still live on Planet Earth, realize it is Bush =
that fucked up.
eric.
dreamwalker <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message =
news:c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always =
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the =
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning =
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened. =
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did =
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a =
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the =
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown ***** and =
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he fucked up
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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huge=20
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recent=20
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announcement wouldn't be such a great idea?&nbsp;Maybe their simply =
afraid.=20
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User: "eric davis"

Title: Re: Dreamer is Dreaming again. 15 Apr 2004 11:58:21 PM
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Hey Dreamer, you're a rabidly patriotic, moron. Why don't you go sign =
up for the National Guard? Get a $5,000 signing bonus. I hear they =
need some patriotic, mentally challenged, baby-killers. You can kill =
lots of 'terrorists' defending their country, and you'll get shipped out =
REALLLL SOOON. Oooops, never mind. I forgot that you are also a =
FUCKING COWARD. A coward just like the Village Idiot, Tony, and your =
President. All full of bravado, and yet chicken-***** to the Absolute =
Core.
eric.
P.S. I would never hurt one of those furry little seal pups. Cute =
little guys! I'ld rather crack the Skull of a Navy Seal. Now that's a =
growing profession worldwide.=20
dreamwalker <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message =
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Bust any seal skulls lately? I hear it's a growing profession in your =
area. LOL
"eric davis" <ericdavis600@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
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I think those of us who still live on Planet Earth, realize it is =
Bush that fucked up.
eric.
dreamwalker <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message =
news:c5350$407f2249$4076285f$22869@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
As much as I hate UBL, his brilliant political ideology has always =
captured my attention. He made a huge miscalculation by announcing the =
latest "ceasefire" suggestion to the Euros. I believe UBL is beginning =
to loose touch with reality. This recent blunder has left him weakened. =
I'm beginning to wonder if he's suffering from "Hitler Syndrome". Did =
any of his advisers suggest this latest announcement wouldn't be such a =
great idea? Maybe their simply afraid. The other possiblity is the =
allies are getting real close to burning his skinny brown ***** and =
he's becomming desperate. Whatever the case, he fucked up
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Dreamer, you're a rabidly =
patriotic,=20
moron.&nbsp; Why don't you go sign up for the National Guard?&nbsp; Get =
a $5,000=20
signing bonus.&nbsp; I hear they need some patriotic, mentally =
challenged,=20
baby-killers.&nbsp; You can kill lots of 'terrorists' defending their =
country,=20
and you'll get shipped out REALLLL SOOON.&nbsp;&nbsp; Oooops, never =
mind.&nbsp;=20
I forgot that you are also a FUCKING COWARD.&nbsp; A coward just like =
the=20
Village Idiot, Tony, and your President.&nbsp;&nbsp; All full of =
bravado, and=20
yet chicken-***** to the Absolute Core.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>eric