I think

After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Docrodile"
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"Perseid" <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, Charly the *****
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Woodswun wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:10:13 +0000, Charly the ***** wrote:

Docrodile wrote:

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:57:01 -0800, Dr. Bipolar wrote:

Iranians may be getting a bad case of pre-war jitters lately
as
the US Navy builds its floating arsenal in the Persian Gulf
region, under orders from President Bush. Bush's new Defense
Secretary Bob Gates has made it clear the naval deployment of
two
carrier task groups is meant to send a "message" that any
Iranian
meddling in Iraq will be regarded as a threat to the security

of

that nation, if not the entire region, with Iraq now embroiled
in
what many political analysts say is a civil war.

I'd like to know how Bush expects the government of Iran to
stop
various mosques from sending people over to help their fellow
shiites. Kind of like threatening to bomb the U.S. because
catholic churches in the U.S. are sending over people/supplies

to

catholics in northern ireland, or synagogues are sending over
people/supplies to jews in occupied territories.

Woods

Well, of course, he can't do it. And, IMO, all this concern over
Iran reaches way back to the US/West's attempts to control and
profit from oil. The Pahlevi family that ruled Iran for many

years,

which the US and some Western allies, greatly aided, was
essentially
a tyrannical dynasty that gave economic favor to the USA. America
sold Iran huge amounts of military hardware and, in fact, before
the
Ayatollah came back from exile in France, Iran was being touted
as
a
progressive Westernized economic/military powerhouse-to-be with
glowing major press stories praising it.
Before Pakistan developed nuclear weaponry, the US was very much
against it, and slapped a number of sanctions on that nation.
Yet,
today, it is a major Muslim WOT ally, with a dictator ruling over
the political administration, which is a democracy -- but can be
overruled by Musharoff at any time. Pakistan is working closely
with
Iran on a number of large commercial projects, and there are many
indications Pakistan would react badly to a US attack on Iran.
Sure, Iran may attack with nukes some day, but it is more likely
it's building an empire of great influence in the region for
years
to come, and the nuke aspect is a major part of that cornerstone.
Surely, if they had the nuke weapons right now, would the USA or
Israel be militarily postering? Why threaten screwing up the

region

for oil production and delivery through massive destruction and
radiation pollution for a long period?

Think long term... if the US nukes Iran, the oil production will
be
offline for at least a decade. This will drive up the price on the
remaining available reserves, and the profits to the oil
companies.
The oil itself is deep underground, safe from radiolocical
contamination. When the rad count on the surface finally does go
down, it can be exploited at the new much higher price that the
world
has by then gotten used to, with resultant exhorbitant profits for
the oil companies. Makes prefekt sense to me.

Not really. If oil goes up that high, it becomes much, much more

cost

effective to develop alternative fuels and fuel efficiency - which

may

end up sidelining the oil companies altogether. Then again, that
requires some forethought, foreign territory to the current
Administration ...

All they really need is another Katrina or accidents timed so that
there's never quite enough to bring prices back down.

Woods

Ignore the administration, they don't get to think. Think like a
Corporate, they're the ones who really run the world. They, the
Corporates, don't have to worry about re-election every two, four, or
six years. They don't pay any attention to pubic opinion polls, They
have an agenda, and that is to make as much profit as the market will
bear at all times, regardless of temporary interuptions of supply.

Money
is the only God they know, and power is the name of the strategy they
implement.

There you go. Oil prices go too high, people start changing their
behaviors including driving less and telecommuting, companies start
responding by introducing more fuel and cost efficient products.

You notice that the oil companies aren't building new
refineries to increase the supply side of the equation, because

there's

more money in keeping the supply short and the price high than there

is

in actually increasing the supply so that there will be more
'product'
to vend to the consumer. You notice that the car companies are
dragging
their feet on 'alternative fuel vehicles' and still building gas
guzzling SUVs, becuase there's more profit per unit in big vehicles
than
small ones.

But if nobody is buying the SUV's then the car companies have
wasted all that money developing and building them. Car companies
can't afford to waste money like that or they go out of business.

Big cars, small cars, the number of parts is almost the same
per unit, Labor is the same per unit for assembly. Which one will

bring

in more per unit bucks? The Big ones that get 12 miles per gallon and
need premium grade fuel. So... guess which ones get built? It's
economics 101 at work. And we get told 'there's no consiracy here,

just

'free market forces''... yeah right, you bet.

There is no conspiracy, other than auto-makers wanting to make a
profit and supply-demand controlling the marketplace. The car
companies
can build dinosaurs all they want, and US auto makers are a perfect
example of this, but if no one will buy them then they've just wasted
all that money on R&D and production. As you say, it's economics 101.

You seem to be overlooking the fact that consumers are really the
ones giving power to those big companies, through their buying
decisions.

Whether there's a conspiracy or a PLAN or not, the end result is the
same -- we get screwed at this level. What does it matter? If we knew
there was collusion going on, what the hell are we to do with it? We're
dependent on corporate services and products for our everyday
existence.
Unless you're a real indie trooper and want to trail blaze away from
the
corporate tit, you and most all of us 'consumers' out here are trapped

in

a life made for us, but not by us. We went along with all the

conveniences

and accepted the power structure that rules over us. Even our democracy

is

basically a sham now, controlled by corporate monied
influences...which,
again, has been caused by our complacency. The corporate world provides
lots of distractions -- get interested in Bowflexing your asses off,

diet,

buy new things, get narcissistic, hedonistic, materialistic as hell --
that burn up much of our time and energy, and they'd like to keep it

that

way...and apparently so would most of us. Where is the resistance, the
risk taking to throw it off and go another direction, radically? Dont'
see it out there!
And you know why, I do, all of us do...and it's damned hard to face up

to

it and ourselves. We live in a virtual self-imposed hive-like prison,
ruled over a relatively small group of elitists, but followed
sheepishly
by most of the herd.
Face it, Charly and Perseid...we're living under another form of
tyranny
as humanity has all of its recorded history, and this one, though,
could
be changed if it weren't for all that risk that needs to be taken...all
that discomfort...all that fear of what may happen if we stopped
sucking
on the BIG TIT everyday.

I think we're sucking on multiple tits every day, which are
linked to one much larger tit, the federal government... but since
we the people ARE the federal government, we are effectively sucking
on our OWN tits (I'm trying to keep a straight face after having
said that).

We control our environments in very subtle ways... don't buy
certain products and the product stops getting made and we
don't see it any more... don't respond to certain types of
ads then the ads go away because they're ineffective.

The people have all the control over the Corporate BigWigs since
by simply DENYING our attention to certain things we can make
them dance around like leap-frogs. It's quite satisfying actually,
knowing that my own subtle actions every day causes the corporate
bunny-hoppers to scramble about madly trying to figure out just
what the hell went wrong.

Docrodile ;)~

Charly.