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Object: UH-OH, Get the frickin' fan out of the closet, load up plenty of dung & wind up the FAT LADY -- BBC DOCO -- Will Israel bomb Iran?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/5409816.stm
Will Israel bomb Iran?
By Chris Boulding
Director, Will Israel bomb Iran?
This World investigates the debate going on in Israel about how to deal
with Iran's nuclear project, which divides the diplomatic world.
Iran insists that its programme is exclusively peaceful, citing the
international treaty which gives it the right to use atomic energy to
produce power.
Yet there remains deep diplomatic suspicion of Iran in the West, and
growing alarm that it is exploiting its civil nuclear programme as a
cover to produce atomic weapons.
Israel is the crux. Seen in the Arab world as America's outpost in the
Middle East, Israel's very existence is regarded as a "stain" by Iran's
Islamic regime which came to power in 1979.
Within two months of his election, Iran's current President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad approvingly quoted Ayatollah Khomeini's call for Israel to
be "removed from the pages of history".
The statement drew fierce condemnation inside Israel and crystallised
attitudes towards Iran among Israelis.
Intelligence reports
Israel's former Prime Minister Shimon Peres called for the
international community to shun Iran.
He said: "Iran is the only member of the United Nations that threatens
publicly to destroy another member of the United Nations. It is a call
for genocide."
The Israeli leadership had already become increasingly concerned by
intelligence reports on Iran's nuclear project.
Israel is not going to wait until the first nuclear bomb is going to
be dropped on Israel
Avi Dichter, Israeli Minister for Public Security
But now Israeli feelings about Iran have reached a critical point. In
order to understand Israeli attitudes, it is necessary to get inside
the Israeli mindset, to uncover why Iran is being seen as an
'existential' threat - that is, a danger to the nation's very
existence.
Why is Israel's fear of attack so intense? And what kind of response
could such feelings trigger?
To some in Israel's political world, the country's life is on the line
and if some action is not taken, the country could disappear from
history in the way that President Ahmadinejad spoke of.
Despite Iran's frequent diplomatic reminders that its nuclear
objectives are entirely peaceful, there is a sense of foreboding inside
Israel.
The former Prime Minister Ehud Barak sums up his own feelings by
drawing on a personal experience after the Yom Kippur war in 1973, when
he returned from Israel to live in America.
He said he realised - while watching a football game - that if Israel
had lost the war, it would have become a part of history and not a
single game of football would be cancelled.
"And I carried this memory with me to the chair of the prime minister.
Ultimately we are standing alone."
Nuclear deterrent
According to the respected Carnegie Institute, Israel has its own
deterrent, in the shape of an arsenal of as many as 200 atomic
warheads.
But Israel has never openly acknowledged its atomic programme, and has
always maintained that it will not be the first to introduce nuclear
weapons in to the Middle East.
The possibility that Iran could build nuclear weapons is regarded by
some of Israel's military and political class as an unacceptable
danger, putting the world's most dangerous weapons in the hands of
their enemies.
The former head of Israel's security service Shin Beit, Avi Dichter,
believes Israel must now adopt a "preventative" approach.
"I was an Air Marshal and I was trained to open fire towards a
terrorist once I identified two things: one that he has a means of
warfare, a pistol, a hand grenade, etc, and the second that he has an
intention to use it in order to kill innocent people," says Mr Dichter,
who is now Israel's minister for Public Security.
"Israel is not going to wait until the first nuclear bomb is going to
be dropped on Israel."
Western intelligence services claim they have good evidence that Iran
is developing atomic weapons and President Bush has declared that he
will not permit a nuclear armed Iran.
But with its ongoing commitments in Iraq, some of Israel's strategic
thinkers believe America has too much at stake to intervene militarily.
Iraq precedent?
Meanwhile, Israel's foreign minister has said publicly that time is
running out. This scenario begs the question: could Israel act against
Iran on its own?
Twenty five years ago, it did precisely that. The Iraqi nuclear reactor
at Osirak was potentially capable of producing material for atomic
weapons.
America was then backing Saddam Hussein's regime, and seemed unlikely
to take hostile action against a nation at war with Iran.
In 1981, when the reactor was nearly complete, Prime Minister Begin of
Israel felt that the threat required immediate action. He decided to go
it alone and launch a raid to destroy the nuclear plant. Eight Israeli
F-16 fighters bombed the Iraqi facility, in what was seen in Israel as
a model of pre-emptive action.
As a last resort, the West should be ready to launch military strikes
to deal with Iranian nuclear capabilities.
Moshe Yaalon, former chief of staff, Israeli armed forces
Could this happen again? According to Israeli intelligence sources,
Iran's scientists are now within a year of reaching the technical point
when they could enrich uranium to the level required for atomic arms.
This is regarded in Israel as the point of no return, after which Iran
would allegedly be able to produce the uranium needed at secret sites.
Some Israelis think this is the moment when action should be taken. For
them, a nuclear armed Iran is a doomsday scenario.
Israel's war with Hezbollah this summer reminded Israelis of Iran's
reach beyond its own borders. Iran is widely believed to provide
support and weaponry to Hezbollah.
The end of the conflict left Israel's government and its military under
investigation for what was seen as a failure to defeat the Islamic
militant movement convincingly.
Some inside Israel believe that Israel must turn its attention directly
to Iran.
The former chief of staff of Israel's armed forces, Moshe Yaalon
concludes: "As a last resort, the West should be ready to launch
military strikes to deal with Iranian nuclear capabilities ...but
Israel should be ready to deal with this kind of threat, if anyone else
doesn't do it."
Will Israel bomb Iran? was broadcast on Tuesday, 10 October, 2006 at
21.50 BST on BBC Two
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/programmes/this_world/5409816.stm
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Title: Re: UH-OH, Get the frickin' fan out of the closet, load up plenty of dung & wind up the FAT LADY -- BBC DOCO -- Will Israel bomb Iran? 21 Oct 2006 10:46:55 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/5409816.stm

Will Israel bomb Iran?

Somebody should.
If the Israeli's can manage the job more power to them.
If not, the US will have to.
IBM
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Title: Re: UH-OH, Get the frickin' fan out of the closet, load up plenty of dung & wind up the FAT LADY -- BBC DOCO -- Will Israel bomb Iran? 19 Oct 2006 04:34:48 PM
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Days .=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7. =E2=99=A5=C2=A9=C2=AE=E2=84=A2 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/5409816.stm

Will Israel bomb Iran?

No. They'll let the U.S. troops in Iraq do it. Why risk Jewish lives?

Yet there remains deep diplomatic suspicion of Iran in the West, and
growing alarm that it is exploiting its civil nuclear programme as a
cover to produce atomic weapons.
Israel is the crux.

Oh, but Israel would NEVER hide a nuclear weapons program behind
a peaceful need for power and use that nuclear program on a
nation that it considered a threat (unlike Israel who has proven
to be a threat over the course of 40+ years now).

Israel's former Prime Minister Shimon Peres called for the
international community to shun Iran.
He said: "Iran is the only member of the United Nations that threatens
publicly to destroy another member of the United Nations. It is a call
for genocide."

I realize that this is the Israeli stance, but it isn't a call for
genocide.
It's a call for an end to a tyrannical theocracy that has perpetually
made war on non-Jews in the name of greed and conquest since
its creation.

Israel is not going to wait until the first nuclear bomb is going to
be dropped on Israel
Avi Dichter, Israeli Minister for Public Security

But Iran should wait until Israel drops the first bomb on Iran? Why,
given
the actions of Israel toward the Arab community, should Iran not bomb
them?

Why is Israel's fear of attack so intense? And what kind of response
could such feelings trigger?

Reason number 1: The holocaust
Reason number 2-800: Every other time God punished Israel for being
stiff-necked and disobedient.
See, Israel knows that Jews consider Jews human and everyone else
untermensch. They know that,
not only does this go against the universal brotherhood taught by
Christ, but that it goes against
the conscience of every non-psychopath on earth that doesn't believe
goyim are animals.
They know that they are standing against God and against the rest of
the world. They also know
that every once in a while, God slaps them around (Babylonian
captivity, diaspora, holocaust)
in order to bring them back to him. But they are so stubbornly
dedicated to their race spirit
that they will probably never learn their lessons.
The problem is, the rest of the world has to live with these sociopaths
and are held to
a HIGHER standard than racial superiority (or racial bigotry and hatred
for that matter).

To some in Israel's political world, the country's life is on the line
and if some action is not taken, the country could disappear from
history in the way that President Ahmadinejad spoke of.
"And I carried this memory with me to the chair of the prime minister.
Ultimately we are standing alone."

Perhaps a more "good samaritan" approach to politics would mean that
Israel would
be included and welcomed in the world community instead of being
perpetual pariahs. But hey, the last guy to say this, they nailed to a
cross.

Some Israelis think this is the moment when action should be taken. For
them, a nuclear armed Iran is a doomsday scenario.

Perception is reality. I have no doubt that the leadership in Israel
and the
wealthy Jewish Americans who support Israel regardless of its actions
believe this. I also have no doubt that Israel has enough of a hold
over
the U.S. government that the U.S. will probably be the instrument
of any violence against Iran just as it was against Iraq.
Call me a fanatic, but here's the bottom line.
The Jews were given a vibrant spirituality and guidance that
other peoples were not until the coming of Christ. Even then,
much was lost. God holds Israel responsible for the use of
the gifts given to it.
If the Israel and the Jews continue to treat other peoples and
nations as subhuman, the way they themselves were treated in Nazi
Germany, if Israel continues to cheat and murder goyim behind
the veil of the press and mass media, if the Jews continue to
ignore warnings by the prophets and continue to cling to an
outmoded racial and religious bias, if they continue to
deny their Messiah and his teachings, there will be severe
consequences.
I don't mean this as a threat, as it will not be by my hand.
God is not mocked.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have
gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens
under her wings, and ye would not!
S~
.
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Title: Re: UH-OH, Get the frickin' fan out of the closet, load up plenty of dung & wind up the FAT LADY -- BBC DOCO -- Will Israel bomb Iran? 19 Oct 2006 10:00:00 PM
Do U get the BBC programs in the good ol' USA, Shasta ?!?!?
I deduct that by calling yourself "Shasta" that U either reside or have
family living near Mt.Shasta,
Washington, USA ?!?!?
In the end, if there iz a nuclear war, hardly any place on Earth will
be safe from the humungous amounts of
nuclear radiation floating about around the world.
Even if the USA does the dirty work, Israel would be the prime target,
& it (israel) would most definately strike back with nukes....
Thus the world iz in a LOSE_LOSE situation & Israel faces the ultimate
CATCH-22 -- damned if they do or damned if they don't.....
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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rld War III 2007 --The Last 2000

Days .=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7. =E2=99=A5=C2=A9=C2=AE=E2=84=A2 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/5409816.stm

Will Israel bomb Iran?


No. They'll let the U.S. troops in Iraq do it. Why risk Jewish lives?

Yet there remains deep diplomatic suspicion of Iran in the West, and
growing alarm that it is exploiting its civil nuclear programme as a
cover to produce atomic weapons.
Israel is the crux.


Oh, but Israel would NEVER hide a nuclear weapons program behind
a peaceful need for power and use that nuclear program on a
nation that it considered a threat (unlike Israel who has proven
to be a threat over the course of 40+ years now).

Israel's former Prime Minister Shimon Peres called for the
international community to shun Iran.
He said: "Iran is the only member of the United Nations that threatens
publicly to destroy another member of the United Nations. It is a call
for genocide."


I realize that this is the Israeli stance, but it isn't a call for
genocide.
It's a call for an end to a tyrannical theocracy that has perpetually
made war on non-Jews in the name of greed and conquest since
its creation.

Israel is not going to wait until the first nuclear bomb is going to
be dropped on Israel
Avi Dichter, Israeli Minister for Public Security


But Iran should wait until Israel drops the first bomb on Iran? Why,
given
the actions of Israel toward the Arab community, should Iran not bomb
them?

Why is Israel's fear of attack so intense? And what kind of response
could such feelings trigger?


Reason number 1: The holocaust

Reason number 2-800: Every other time God punished Israel for being
stiff-necked and disobedient.

See, Israel knows that Jews consider Jews human and everyone else
untermensch. They know that,
not only does this go against the universal brotherhood taught by
Christ, but that it goes against
the conscience of every non-psychopath on earth that doesn't believe
goyim are animals.

They know that they are standing against God and against the rest of
the world. They also know
that every once in a while, God slaps them around (Babylonian
captivity, diaspora, holocaust)
in order to bring them back to him. But they are so stubbornly
dedicated to their race spirit
that they will probably never learn their lessons.

The problem is, the rest of the world has to live with these sociopaths
and are held to
a HIGHER standard than racial superiority (or racial bigotry and hatred
for that matter).

To some in Israel's political world, the country's life is on the line
and if some action is not taken, the country could disappear from
history in the way that President Ahmadinejad spoke of.
"And I carried this memory with me to the chair of the prime minister.
Ultimately we are standing alone."


Perhaps a more "good samaritan" approach to politics would mean that
Israel would
be included and welcomed in the world community instead of being
perpetual pariahs. But hey, the last guy to say this, they nailed to a
cross.

Some Israelis think this is the moment when action should be taken. For
them, a nuclear armed Iran is a doomsday scenario.


Perception is reality. I have no doubt that the leadership in Israel
and the
wealthy Jewish Americans who support Israel regardless of its actions
believe this. I also have no doubt that Israel has enough of a hold
over
the U.S. government that the U.S. will probably be the instrument
of any violence against Iran just as it was against Iraq.

Call me a fanatic, but here's the bottom line.
The Jews were given a vibrant spirituality and guidance that
other peoples were not until the coming of Christ. Even then,
much was lost. God holds Israel responsible for the use of
the gifts given to it.

If the Israel and the Jews continue to treat other peoples and
nations as subhuman, the way they themselves were treated in Nazi
Germany, if Israel continues to cheat and murder goyim behind
the veil of the press and mass media, if the Jews continue to
ignore warnings by the prophets and continue to cling to an
outmoded racial and religious bias, if they continue to
deny their Messiah and his teachings, there will be severe
consequences.

I don't mean this as a threat, as it will not be by my hand.

God is not mocked.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have
gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens
under her wings, and ye would not!
=20
S~

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