Migrants seen as burden to be 'driven out'
GERRI PEEV
POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
MIGRANTS who are a "burden on Britain" will be "driven out", Home
Secretary Charles Clarke said yesterday - as an influential Commons
committee prepared to expose the £4 billion cost of the asylum system.
Mr Clarke’s proposals cover those immigrants already in Britain, as
well as any new arrivals. Immigrants will have to prove their skills
are essential to the economy under a new points-style system to be
unveiled by Mr Clarke. But his tough message could be undermined by
the Public Accounts Committee, which this week will reveal how the
cost of the asylum system has spiralled over the last two years.
According to a leaked report on improving the speed and quality of
asylum decisions, MPs on the committee are expected to say that at
least £500 million could have been saved if the government had acted
sooner to reduce a massive backlog in the asylum system.
They will also blame incompetent officials for the cost, pointing out
that academic standards for recruits at the Home Office have been
lowered. While the number of outstanding asylum cases has come down,
the number of appeals has soared as officials’ decisions are
increasingly challenged.
The report will be published tomorrow, after Mr Clarke unveils his
proposals for economic migrants today.
As Conservatives and Labour battle it out over which party has the
most uncompromising stance on immigration, Mr Clarke will publish a
five-year plan to tackle the issue.
"Migration for work, migration to study is a good thing... What is
wrong is when that system isn’t properly policed, and people are
coming here who are a burden on the society, and it is that which we
intend to drive out," Mr Clarke told BBC’s Breakfast with Frost.
"Many more" people claimed asylum than were entitled to it, he said,
admitting it was impossible to predict how many entered the country
illegally.
Under the Home Office plans, deportations will be speeded up and Mr
Clarke will block unaccompanied child asylum seekers from staying in
Britain to discourage traffickers.
Visa-holders to Britain will also be fingerprinted by 2008 to allow
the government to keep control of who is coming in and out of the
country. Anyone wishing to stay longer than three months will have to
obtain an ID card.
The rules - which will affect existing as well as future immigrants -
will restrict dependants who can move to Britain to spouses and
children.
Permanent residency could be restricted to migrants with professional
qualifications such as doctors and teachers.
Scottish Nationalist MP Pete Wishart said the clampdown could further
fuel Scotland’s "dangerous population slide". "It may play well in
middle England, but their plans will have dire consequences for
Scotland," he said.
It emerged this weekend that a drive to lure more immigrants to
Scotland may have been undermined by David Blunkett, the former Home
Secretary.
He vetoed proposals from Jack McConnell, the First Minister, to
attract more immigrants north of the Border.
These included making it easier for asylum seekers to work in
Scotland, allowing foreigners with Scottish ancestry to move to
Scotland and fast-tracking work permits for Scottish employers.
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08 Feb 2005 02:24:04 AM |
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I gotta ask Tony:
What are your views on the treatment of asylum seekers arriving in
Australia? No doubt you've heard plenty about it, and it's related to this
story, so I'm interested to find out what you think...
<itwill@happen.com> wrote in message
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Migrants seen as burden to be 'driven out'
GERRI PEEV
POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
MIGRANTS who are a "burden on Britain" will be "driven out", Home
Secretary Charles Clarke said yesterday - as an influential Commons
committee prepared to expose the £4 billion cost of the asylum system.
Mr Clarke's proposals cover those immigrants already in Britain, as
well as any new arrivals. Immigrants will have to prove their skills
are essential to the economy under a new points-style system to be
unveiled by Mr Clarke. But his tough message could be undermined by
the Public Accounts Committee, which this week will reveal how the
cost of the asylum system has spiralled over the last two years.
According to a leaked report on improving the speed and quality of
asylum decisions, MPs on the committee are expected to say that at
least £500 million could have been saved if the government had acted
sooner to reduce a massive backlog in the asylum system.
They will also blame incompetent officials for the cost, pointing out
that academic standards for recruits at the Home Office have been
lowered. While the number of outstanding asylum cases has come down,
the number of appeals has soared as officials' decisions are
increasingly challenged.
The report will be published tomorrow, after Mr Clarke unveils his
proposals for economic migrants today.
As Conservatives and Labour battle it out over which party has the
most uncompromising stance on immigration, Mr Clarke will publish a
five-year plan to tackle the issue.
"Migration for work, migration to study is a good thing... What is
wrong is when that system isn't properly policed, and people are
coming here who are a burden on the society, and it is that which we
intend to drive out," Mr Clarke told BBC's Breakfast with Frost.
"Many more" people claimed asylum than were entitled to it, he said,
admitting it was impossible to predict how many entered the country
illegally.
Under the Home Office plans, deportations will be speeded up and Mr
Clarke will block unaccompanied child asylum seekers from staying in
Britain to discourage traffickers.
Visa-holders to Britain will also be fingerprinted by 2008 to allow
the government to keep control of who is coming in and out of the
country. Anyone wishing to stay longer than three months will have to
obtain an ID card.
The rules - which will affect existing as well as future immigrants -
will restrict dependants who can move to Britain to spouses and
children.
Permanent residency could be restricted to migrants with professional
qualifications such as doctors and teachers.
Scottish Nationalist MP Pete Wishart said the clampdown could further
fuel Scotland's "dangerous population slide". "It may play well in
middle England, but their plans will have dire consequences for
Scotland," he said.
It emerged this weekend that a drive to lure more immigrants to
Scotland may have been undermined by David Blunkett, the former Home
Secretary.
He vetoed proposals from Jack McConnell, the First Minister, to
attract more immigrants north of the Border.
These included making it easier for asylum seekers to work in
Scotland, allowing foreigners with Scottish ancestry to move to
Scotland and fast-tracking work permits for Scottish employers.
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08 Feb 2005 08:56:32 AM |
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"Aidan" <nospam.aweraw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$fp3lbi$q58$1@titan.linknet.com.au...
I gotta ask Tony:
What are your views on the treatment of asylum seekers arriving in
Australia? No doubt you've heard plenty about it, and it's related to
this
story, so I'm interested to find out what you think...
The Baxter dentention centre is 50 miles from where I live, it's been in the
news a lot recently, it seems
a former Qantas flight attendant of German extraction developed a case of
schitzophrenia and was put
into a mental hospital in Sydney about a year back, a couple months later
she walked out and disappeared.
She surfaced last week at Baxter where she'd apparently been for the last 10
months. It seems that she
wandered up to Yorke Peninusula in the far north of Queensland where a lot
of boat people wind up
She was found wandering around babbling in a foreign language, with no id or
papers. Apparently they
thought she was an illegal immigrant from Germany so they sent her to
Baxter. All came out in the wash
last week when she was recognised and sent home to her sister in Sydney and
the appropriate Minister is
having a hard time explaining how such a thing could happen....
OTOH it seems to me that someone seeking 'asylum' ie a real refugee, would
stop in the first country
that he comes to, but somehow these 'refugees' manage to cross about 6
countries and 3 oceans
to get to Indonesia where they pay a people smuggler with a leaky boat to
smuggle them to Australian
territory. If they can't prove who they are (no papers\passports) they get
put into a detention centre while
they try and id them to make sure they are who they say they are. Once
that's established they are then
examined to see if they meet the criteria for refugee status, if they do
they usually will get a residency visa.
If not, they get deported. The process can take quite a while (given how
slow and difficult it is to get any
meaningful advice from 3rd world countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Some that have been able to
prove their nationality by some other means occasionally get released to the
community on a temporary visa
pending further investigations, but if that reveals they aren't true
refugess, back they go to their country of
origin.
A *lot* of the so called refugees that we got in the last year or two were
claiming to be Afghan, but it turns
out that most of them were in fact Pakistanis trying to jump the queue for
immigration...
The CO
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| User: "Aidan" |
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08 Feb 2005 07:31:11 PM |
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"The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Aidan" <nospam.aweraw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$fp3lbi$q58$1@titan.linknet.com.au...
I gotta ask Tony:
What are your views on the treatment of asylum seekers arriving in
Australia? No doubt you've heard plenty about it, and it's related to
this
story, so I'm interested to find out what you think...
The Baxter dentention centre is 50 miles from where I live, it's been in
the
news a lot recently, it seems
a former Qantas flight attendant of German extraction developed a case of
schitzophrenia and was put
into a mental hospital in Sydney about a year back, a couple months later
she walked out and disappeared.
She surfaced last week at Baxter where she'd apparently been for the last
10
months. It seems that she
wandered up to Yorke Peninusula in the far north of Queensland where a lot
of boat people wind up
She was found wandering around babbling in a foreign language, with no id
or
papers. Apparently they
thought she was an illegal immigrant from Germany so they sent her to
Baxter. All came out in the wash
last week when she was recognised and sent home to her sister in Sydney
and
the appropriate Minister is
having a hard time explaining how such a thing could happen....
Well, I too am Australian (though I'm in NSW), and I'm kinda ashamed of
these places... especially since this latest ka-fuffle
The way she has said she was treated is just plain disgusting... being made
to shower nude, with the door open, while guards gawk at you is just one
example of what she said happened there...
and things like that make me wonder, what the hell else has gone on in our
detention centers we've never heard about? Have any childeren been subject
to this kind of treatment? I would, lamentably, not be surprised if they
had...
OTOH it seems to me that someone seeking 'asylum' ie a real refugee,
would stop in the first country that he comes to, but somehow these
'refugees' manage to cross about 6 countries and 3 oceans to get to
Indonesia where they pay a people smuggler with a leaky boat to
smuggle them to Australian territory.
This is true, and queue jumpers should be sent packing... though I think the
process of either granting a Visa or deporting them should be reviewed where
childeren are involved... Having children locked up for any length of time
in a detention center cannot be good for their developing minds, it also
makes them easier prey for Islamic exetremist groups to recruit them into
their ranks, as naturally they will generally habour resentment against
Australia that can be used to fan the flames of hatred within them.
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08 Feb 2005 04:35:25 AM |
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:26:32 +1030, "The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
The Baxter dentention centre is 50 miles from where I live. I'm sure most detention centres are close to you since your country was founded by criminals anyway
a former Qantas flight attendant of German extraction developed a case of
schitzophrenia and was put
into a mental hospital in Sydney about a year back, a couple months later
she walked out and disappeared.
She surfaced last week at Baxter where she'd apparently been for the last 10
months. It seems that she
wandered up to Yorke Peninusula in the far north of Queensland where a lot
of boat people wind up
She was found wandering around babbling in a foreign language, with no id or
papers. Apparently they
thought she was an illegal immigrant from Germany so they sent her to
Baxter. All came out in the wash
last week when she was recognised and sent home to her sister in Sydney and
the appropriate Minister is
having a hard time explaining how such a thing could happen....
OTOH it seems to me that someone seeking 'asylum' ie a real refugee, would
stop in the first country
that he comes to, but somehow these 'refugees' manage to cross about 6
countries and 3 oceans
to get to Indonesia where they pay a people smuggler with a leaky boat to
smuggle them to Australian
territory. If they can't prove who they are (no papers\passports) they get
put into a detention centre while
they try and id them to make sure they are who they say they are. Once
that's established they are then
examined to see if they meet the criteria for refugee status, if they do
they usually will get a residency visa.
If not, they get deported. The process can take quite a while (given how
slow and difficult it is to get any
meaningful advice from 3rd world countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Some that have been able to
prove their nationality by some other means occasionally get released to the
community on a temporary visa
pending further investigations, but if that reveals they aren't true
refugess, back they go to their country of
origin.
A *lot* of the so called refugees that we got in the last year or two were
claiming to be Afghan, but it turns
out that most of them were in fact Pakistanis trying to jump the queue for
immigration...
The CO
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| User: "The CO" |
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08 Feb 2005 10:41:36 AM |
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<Zak@home.com> wrote in message
news:vc5h01945dtbi3ob9c1auentebeed15mcq@4ax.com...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:26:32 +1030, "The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
The Baxter dentention centre is 50 miles from where I live.
I'm sure most detention centres are close to you since your country was
founded by criminals anyway
Your ignorance is showing again. At least you are consistent, you only open
your mouth to change feet.
Free clue: South Australia (that's a State not a region) wasn't settled
until 1836, it was officially proclaimed
a Colony on the 28th of December that year. It was *not* settled by
convicts, but by free settlers from England.
NSW, Queensland and Tasmania were the major Convict colonies. Also, you
might want to check out some of
the 'crimes' that got you transported. It was simply an excuse to start a
colony with free labour. It was more of
a press gang for colonists than anything else.
Not that it would bother me being descended from convicts, it could have
been worse, I might have been
descended from Canadian colonial kooks like you. So what's your story
anyway? All snappy remarks aside,
you seem to have a real burr up your arse about pretty much everything
American, are you French or something?
You seem extremely vehement even by kook standards, so I'd like to know what
set you off, something must
have made you believe all this guff, what was it?
Frankly, I think you are simply a bit lacking in knowledge of basic physics
and technology and their pseudo
science stuff sounded convincing so now you have decided it must all be true
and have made it a mission in
life to spread the word....
The CO
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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08 Feb 2005 09:08:02 PM |
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The CO wrote:
<Zak@home.com> wrote in message
news:vc5h01945dtbi3ob9c1auentebeed15mcq@4ax.com...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:26:32 +1030, "The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
The Baxter dentention centre is 50 miles from where I live.
I'm sure most detention centres are close to you since your country
was
founded by criminals anyway
Your ignorance is showing again. At least you are consistent, you
only open
your mouth to change feet.
Free clue: South Australia (that's a State not a region) wasn't
settled
until 1836, it was officially proclaimed
a Colony on the 28th of December that year. It was *not* settled by
convicts, but by free settlers from England.
Can't forget the French.
The French jumpped on in about 1850-70s too. ( I think congragated
around Melbourne) They were told of gold mines. ;)
NSW, Queensland and Tasmania were the major Convict colonies. Also,
you
might want to check out some of
the 'crimes' that got you transported. It was simply an excuse to
start a
colony with free labour.
lol.
It was more of
a press gang for colonists than anything else.
Not that it would bother me being descended from convicts, it could
have
been worse, I might have been
descended from Canadian colonial kooks like you. So what's your
story
anyway? All snappy remarks aside,
you seem to have a real burr up your arse about pretty much
everything
American, are you French or something?
You seem extremely vehement even by kook standards, so I'd like to
know what
set you off, something must
have made you believe all this guff, what was it?
Frankly, I think you are simply a bit lacking in knowledge
lol.
of basic physics
and technology and their pseudo
science stuff sounded convincing so now you have decided it must all
be true
and have made it a mission in
life to spread the word....
The CO
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| User: "tw" |
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08 Feb 2005 09:53:13 AM |
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Most sensible thing you've said all day Zack. Congratulations.
<Zak@home.com> wrote in message
news:vc5h01945dtbi3ob9c1auentebeed15mcq@4ax.com...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:26:32 +1030, "The CO" <the_xo@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
The Baxter dentention centre is 50 miles from where I live. I'm sure most
detention centres are close to you since your country was founded by
criminals anyway
a former Qantas flight attendant of German extraction developed a case of
schitzophrenia and was put
into a mental hospital in Sydney about a year back, a couple months later
she walked out and disappeared.
She surfaced last week at Baxter where she'd apparently been for the last
10
months. It seems that she
wandered up to Yorke Peninusula in the far north of Queensland where a
lot
of boat people wind up
She was found wandering around babbling in a foreign language, with no id
or
papers. Apparently they
thought she was an illegal immigrant from Germany so they sent her to
Baxter. All came out in the wash
last week when she was recognised and sent home to her sister in Sydney
and
the appropriate Minister is
having a hard time explaining how such a thing could happen....
OTOH it seems to me that someone seeking 'asylum' ie a real refugee,
would
stop in the first country
that he comes to, but somehow these 'refugees' manage to cross about 6
countries and 3 oceans
to get to Indonesia where they pay a people smuggler with a leaky boat to
smuggle them to Australian
territory. If they can't prove who they are (no papers\passports) they
get
put into a detention centre while
they try and id them to make sure they are who they say they are. Once
that's established they are then
examined to see if they meet the criteria for refugee status, if they do
they usually will get a residency visa.
If not, they get deported. The process can take quite a while (given how
slow and difficult it is to get any
meaningful advice from 3rd world countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Some that have been able to
prove their nationality by some other means occasionally get released to
the
community on a temporary visa
pending further investigations, but if that reveals they aren't true
refugess, back they go to their country of
origin.
A *lot* of the so called refugees that we got in the last year or two
were
claiming to be Afghan, but it turns
out that most of them were in fact Pakistanis trying to jump the queue
for
immigration...
The CO
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