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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry
Posted Aug 6, 2004
An intense political firefight broke out this week when a group of U.S. =
Navy Swift Boat veterans--calling themselves Swift Boat Veterans for =
Truth--released a television advertisement accusing John Kerry of lying =
about his record in Vietnam. At the same time, Regnery Publishing, a =
sister company of HUMAN EVENTS, released excerpts from Unfit for =
Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, a book out =
next week that is deeply critical of Kerry's Vietnam experiences. Both =
the ad and and a copy of an embargoed chapter were first exclusively =
available on Human Events Online (see the ad here; get a free chapter =
here).
The television ad brought a swift response from Kerry's presidential =
campaign and the Democratic National Committee. On August 5, two lawyers =
representing the campaign and the Democratic National Committee, sent a =
letter to television station managers, which was first revealed here at =
Human Events Online, claiming some statements in the ad were =
"demonstrably and unequivocally false, and libelous" and darkly warning =
station managers that if they ran the ad their stations would be =
"responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor."
On the Record
Meanwhile, in the excerpt from Unfit for Command, authors John O'Neill =
and Jerome R. Corsi say Kerry sought a Purple Heart after he fired a =
grenade from too-close range into a shoreline where it exploded, sending =
a small piece of shrapnel back to slightly wound his arm.=20
Kerry's boat did not come under enemy fire the night Kerry received this =
minor wound, the authors say. Kerry did not require hospitalization or =
even a single stitch for it. And Kerry's commanding officer refused =
Kerry's request that the officer recommend Kerry for a Purple Heart as a =
result of the incident.=20
That officer told O'Neill and Corsi his story on the record.=20
O'Neill, a U.S. Naval Academy graduate, took command of the very same =
Swift Boat Kerry had commanded in Vietnam, after Kerry went home in =
March 1969 after serving only four months of the standard one-year tour =
in the country. He took advantage of what O'Neill and Corsi call in the =
book "an obscure regulation that permitted release of personnel with =
three Purple Hearts." Corsi holds a Ph.D from Harvard.=20
In Tour of Duty by historian Douglas Brinkley, Kerry described the night =
he received the shrapnel wound in terms reminiscent of Francis Ford =
Coppola's Apocalypse Now.=20
He was paddling down a dark bay, on a mission to stop the Vietcong from =
moving contraband from one shore to the other. Spying a group of sampans =
sneaking onto a beach, he fired a flare.=20
"The entire sky seemed to explode into daylight," Brinkley writes in =
Tour of Duty. "The men from the sampans bolted erect, stiff with shock =
for only an instant before they sprang for cover like a herd of panicked =
gazelles Kerry had once seen on TV's 'Wild Kingdom.'"
"We opened fire," Kerry told Brinkley. "The light from the flares =
started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My M-16 jammed, and as =
I bent down in the boat to grab another gun, a stinging piece of heat =
socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell. By this time one =
of the sailors had started the engine and we ran by the beach, strafing =
it. Then it was quiet."=20
But O'Neill and Corsi tell a different story. Kerry went out that night =
in a Boston Whaler (called a "skimmer" by the Navy) with a more senior =
officer.=20
Doctor's Diagnosis
"The truth is that at the time of this incident Kerry was an officer in =
command (OinC) under training, aboard the skimmer using the call sign =
'Robin' on the operation, with now-Rear Admiral William Schachte using =
the call sign 'Batman,' who was also on the skimmer," the authors write. =
"After Kerry's M-16 jammed, Kerry picked up an M-79 grenade launcher and =
fired a grenade too close, causing a tiny piece of shrapnel (one to two =
centimeters) to barely stick in his arm. Schachte berated Kerry for =
almost putting someone's eye out. There was no hostile fire of any kind, =
nor did Kerry on the way back mention to PCF [Swift Boat] OinC Mike =
Voss, who commanded the PCF that had towed the skimmer, that he was =
wounded."=20
The authors quote at length Dr. Louis Letson, who they report treated =
Kerry after the incident. "It did not require any sutures to close the =
wound," Letson says. "The wound was covered with a band-aid. No other =
injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any injury to =
the boat."=20
Letson appears in the TV ad, saying: "I know John Kerry is lying about =
his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury." In their =
letter, the Kerry and DNC lawyers accuse Letson of "pretending to be the =
doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries" and say he =
"was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call =
sheet."
In Unfit for Command, however O'Neill and Corsi quote Letson as saying: =
"I remember that Jess Carreon was present at the time and he, in fact, =
made the entry into Lt. Kerry's medical record."=20
A footnote to this quotation states: "Kerry's campaign has tried to deny =
Dr. Letson's treatment of Kerry by pointing to the different signature =
on Kerry's medical report. The report was signed by the corpsman =
assigned to Dr. Letson, Jess Carreon, now deceased, according to U.S. =
Navy records."=20
Retired Navy Commander Grant Hibbard, who headed the Naval division to =
which Kerry was assigned, also spoke to the authors on-the-record.=20
"The next morning at the briefing, I was informed that no enemy fire had =
been received on that mission," said Hibbard. "Our units had fired on =
some VC units running on the beach. We were all in my office, some of =
the crewmembers, I remember Schachte being there. This was 36 years ago; =
it really didn't seem all that important at the time. Here was this =
lieutenant, junior grade, who was saying, 'I got wounded,' and everybody =
else, the crew that were present were saying, 'We didn't get any fire. =
We don't know how he got the scratch.' Kerry showed me the scratch on =
his arm. I hadn't been informed that he had any medical treatment. The =
scratch didn't look like much to me. I've seen worse injuries from a =
rose thorn."=20
The authors asked Hibbard if Kerry wanted Hibbard to recommend him for a =
Purple Heart. "Yes, that was his whole point," said Hibbard. "He had =
this little piece of shrapnel in his hand. It was tiny. I was told later =
that Kerry had fired an M-79 grenade and that he had misjudged it. He =
fired it too close to the shore, and it exploded on a rock or something. =
.. . . I told Kerry to 'forget it.' There was no hostile fire, the injury =
was self-inflicted for all I knew, besides it was nothing really more =
than a scratch. Kerry wasn't getting any Purple Heart recommendation =
from me."=20
When asked how Kerry did get a Purple Heart for the incident, Hibbard =
told the authors: "I don't know. It beats me. I know I didn't recommend =
him for a Purple Heart."=20
The "Drudge Report" website, which featured excerpts from the book this =
week, said that the Kerry campaign believes the book is "the dirtiest of =
dirty tricks ever played on a candidate for President."
Author O'Neill debated Kerry 33 years ago--rebutting Kerry's 1971 Senate =
testimony that U.S. forces routinely committed war crimes in Vietnam--on =
an episode of the ***** Cavett Show that was replayed on CSPAN earlier =
this year. He is a member of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the =
non-profit "527" group that produced the television ad attacking Kerry's =
record that has so excited the ire of the Kerry campaign and the DNC. =
The group is made up solely of military personnel who served on Swift =
Boats in Vietnam ("swiftees" as they call themselves) or in affiliated =
commands. In May, 190 members of this group signed a letter to Kerry =
asking him to sign a Navy Standard Form 180, which would authorize the =
independent public release of all Kerry's war records. That would allow =
them to be reviewed in full by the public and press, and allow people to =
better judge who is telling the truth in this controversy. Thus far, =
Kerry has not signed the form.=20
With a Democratic convention that focused heavily on Kerry's war record, =
and with the release of the swiftees' TV ad and the O'Neill-Corsi book, =
Kerry's role in Vietnam and in the anti-war movement is certain to be a =
burning hot issue as the presidential campaign heads toward the fall.=20
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User: "Krib"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	06 Aug 2004 10:35:40 PM

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib
.

User: "eric davis"
Title: The 3 Stooges of APN.	07 Aug 2004 11:37:25 AM

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.
eric.
.

User: "The Athiest"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	07 Aug 2004 06:35:54 PM

"eric davis" <ericdavisj600@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

Not really.
Answer --> eric davis
.

User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	08 Aug 2004 05:24:57 PM

Fresh from comic adjudication "eric davis" <ericdavisj600@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<405Rc.49732$Vm1.1247132@news20.bellglobal.com>...

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

eric.

It is one thing to make claims, but the evidence is not self evident,
so perhaps some examples to support your claims?
LB
.

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	10 Aug 2004 04:57:31 AM

On 8 Aug 2004 15:24:57 -0700,

(Leigh_Bee)
wrote:

Fresh from comic adjudication "eric davis" <ericdavisj600@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<405Rc.49732$Vm1.1247132@news20.bellglobal.com>...

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

eric.

It is one thing to make claims, but the evidence is not self evident,
so perhaps some examples to support your claims?

What?? You want examples? Just read any of their posts. Such a
claim is already well supported (without having to quote "all of the
above" threads).
.

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	10 Aug 2004 04:52:58 AM

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:37:25 -0700, "eric davis"
<ericdavisj600@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

McDonald.
.

User: "AK"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	08 Aug 2004 05:05:40 AM

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:37:25 -0700, "eric davis" <ericdavisj600@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

What about Johnathan McDonald and Jane? It should be five.
.

User: "eric davis"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	08 Aug 2004 04:28:23 PM

"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:37:25 -0700, "eric davis"

<ericdavisj600@hotmail.com>

wrote:

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest,

Tony

is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

What about Johnathan McDonald and Jane? It should be five.

Good point. Recently, I mentioned that Jane is acting like Shemp, but come
to think of it, Jane is less of a Stooge and more an Ignorant *****. So
probably McDonald is the perfect fit for Shemp.
eric.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	07 Aug 2004 01:32:33 PM

Yeah, we know we debunk you to the bone.
J.
eric davis a �crit:

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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

eric.

User: "Dr. Blunt"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	12 Aug 2004 07:44:13 AM

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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Yeah, we know we debunk you to the bone.

J.

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eric davis a �crit:

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest,

Tony

is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

eric.

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	10 Aug 2004 04:54:08 AM

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:32:33 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Yeah, we know we debunk you to the bone.

....and that's why we use the adjective "delusional" to describe you at
times.

eric davis a �crit:

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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message
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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it? are you *that* insecure?
You get more stupid by the day.
--
krib

Dreamer, Tony, and Guernon, the 3 Stooges. Guernon is the Craziest, Tony
is the most Hypocritical, Dreamer is the most Boring. But who is the
Stupidest? Tough call.

eric.

User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	07 Aug 2004 03:19:03 PM

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:32:33 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:

Yeah, we know we debunk you to the bone.

J.

LOL ... you're funny.
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User: "Moshe the clown"
Title: Re: The 3 Stooges of APN.	08 Aug 2004 08:10:31 PM

"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote in message news:<opscdpd1uuld1pme@pc>...

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:32:33 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:

Yeah, we know we debunk you to the bone.

J.

LOL ... you're funny.

he he ;-)
Is that funny as in "ha,ha" or funny as in "peculiar" or both ?!?!?
Hooroo ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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User: "dreamwalker"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	06 Aug 2004 10:46:25 PM

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Swiftees Strike Back at Kerry

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it?> --
krib

Because I can.
.

User: "Krib"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	07 Aug 2004 12:30:48 AM

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message news:93709$41145096

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it?> --
krib

Because I can.

Ah, so the "Arrogant *****" is you, that figures as arrogance and
stupidity go hand in hand.
--
krib
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User: "dreamwalker"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	07 Aug 2004 12:31:02 AM

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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message news:93709$41145096

Yeah you've made your political stance plain enough, why do you
feel you need to keep hammering at it?> --
krib

Because I can.

Ah, so the "Arrogant *****" is you, that figures as arrogance and
stupidity go hand in hand.
--
krib

Annoyed? Kewl.
.

User: "Krib"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	07 Aug 2004 02:58:28 AM

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message

Ah, so the "Arrogant *****" is you, that figures as arrogance and
stupidity go hand in hand.

Annoyed? Kewl.

Dude you don't have the brains to annoy me, but you have had a
couple of little tantrums over previous threads when you got
yourself all tearful 'cos I upset you ;0)
So if you are stupid enough to mistake my identifying your
arrogance, (a trait cowards like you all seem to share, vis tony
and mcdonald), as being "annoyed" at you then you are dumber
than I first thought and *that* is quite a feat even by your
lowly standards.
I assume you still haven't enlisted to live your little soldier
fantasy for real then gutless? I suppose a bald, fat, yellow
indian is probably more than your army could be bothered
with even if you did. ;0)
--
krib
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User: "dreamwalker"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	07 Aug 2004 10:27:03 AM

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message news:EY%Qc.65$l17.2@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message

Ah, so the "Arrogant *****" is you, that figures as arrogance and
stupidity go hand in hand.

Annoyed? Kewl.

Dude you don't have the brains to annoy me, but you have had a
couple of little tantrums over previous threads when you got
yourself all tearful 'cos I upset you ;0)

So if you are stupid enough to mistake my identifying your
arrogance, (a trait cowards like you all seem to share, vis tony
and mcdonald), as being "annoyed" at you then you are dumber
than I first thought and *that* is quite a feat even by your
lowly standards.

I assume you still haven't enlisted to live your little soldier
fantasy for real then gutless? I suppose a bald, fat, yellow
indian is probably more than your army could be bothered
with even if you did. ;0)
--
krib

You wrote all that for little ole' me?
.

User: "Krib"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	07 Aug 2004 12:52:20 PM

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message

You wrote all that for little ole' me?

Yeah, you're *that* stupid you're able to misinterpret even
the simplest of concepts so I broke it down as simply as I could
so that even a complete idiot of your calibre might stand a chance
of understanding. No.. don't thank me, it's my duty to you mentally
challenged who are, after all, my prime source of entertainment in
here.
I see you shyed away from your fantasy life again moron,
How's your pretend yellow motorsiccle? ;0)
--
krib
.

User: "dreamwalker"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	07 Aug 2004 12:46:17 PM

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message news:oF8Rc.580$JW6.207@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message

You wrote all that for little ole' me?

Yeah, you're *that* stupid you're able to misinterpret even
the simplest of concepts so I broke it down as simply as I could
so that even a complete idiot of your calibre might stand a chance
of understanding. No.. don't thank me, it's my duty to you mentally
challenged who are, after all, my prime source of entertainment in
here.

I see you shyed away from your fantasy life again moron,
How's your pretend yellow motorsiccle? ;0)
--
krib

such anger.......
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	08 Aug 2004 03:15:19 PM

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"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message news:oF8Rc.580$JW6.207@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...

DM Don't listen to his racist slurs about the color of your skin. He
is lucky to have skin knowing what scaly skin reptilian he is. ;)

such anger.......

something went wrong.
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User: "Krib"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	09 Aug 2004 08:29:20 AM

"Michael Johnathan McDonald" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> wrote in message

DM Don't listen to his racist slurs about the color of your skin.

You see racism where it doesn't exist, just like you see clinton
or mao everywhere because you're a moron. Pointing out that DW
is a coward is hardly racist, like you and tony he's a yellow streak
of *****, maybe that's why you like to cosy up to those assholes so
much, given your apparent addiction to other people's micturation.

He is lucky to have skin knowing what scaly skin reptilian he is. ;)

Any chance of having this translated from idiot to English?

something went wrong.

Maybe you were droppped on your head as an infant, perhaps
that's where your malfunction started.
--
krib
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User: "Krib"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	07 Aug 2004 06:49:33 PM

"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message news:aad85

such anger.......

Don't be angry there yellow skin, a mouthbreathing gutless
cur like you can't afford to get angry ;0)
--
krib
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User: "4Dw"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	08 Aug 2004 07:35:13 AM

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:46:17 +0200, dreamwalker wrote
(in article <aad85$4115156d$407628fd$18449@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>):

"Krib" <krib@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.net> wrote in message

You wrote all that for little ole' me?

Yeah, you're *that* stupid you're able to misinterpret even
the simplest of concepts so I broke it down as simply as I could
so that even a complete idiot of your calibre might stand a chance
of understanding. No.. don't thank me, it's my duty to you mentally
challenged who are, after all, my prime source of entertainment in
here.

I see you shyed away from your fantasy life again moron,
How's your pretend yellow motorsiccle? ;0)
--
krib

such anger.......

Nah, just toying and you keep falling for it . Now dance for us again Monkey
Boy!
LOL
--
Are you part of the problem?
.

User: "Su Zanne"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	06 Aug 2004 09:27:47 PM

I'm STILL not voting for Bush!
:P
Su Zanne
.

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Uncloaking the arrogant *****	10 Aug 2004 10:56:58 PM

Want to talk about Swift Boats? George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave
nuclear weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea in
1994.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
SUN MYUNG MOON gave North Korea NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEMS in 1994.
Sun Myung Moon's Japanese Toen Trading company delivered 12 Russian
Golf missile submarines with launch tubes intact. The North Korean
communists studied this technology and adapted their missiles to be
sea launched from surface and submarine platforms. North Korea now has
nuclear weapon strike capability which can reach the continental
United States from sea-based mobile launch facilities at distances of
2,500 miles. This website has clickable links to Sun Myung Moon
subversion sources, documentation, proof.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
LINKS -- NK sea-missile capability: http://www.navyseals.com
http://www.janes.com http://www.reuters.co.uk http://news.bbc.co.uk
http://www.washingtontimes.com http://www.newscientist.com
http://www.townhall.com http://www.freerepublic.com
http://www.libertyforum.org http://www.theage.com.au
http://www.iht.com http://www.latimes.com
LINKS -- North Korean-born Sun Myung Moon's Toen Trading Submarine
Subversion: http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.usasurvival.org
http://www.gorenfeld.net http://www.davidicke.net
http://blog.mmadsen.org http://www.kenlayne.com
http://www.pandagon.net http://jameswagner.com
http://functionalambivalent.typepad.com http://www.la-mancha.net
http://windsofchange.net http://thoughtcrimes.org http://www.vuw.ac.nz
Sun Myung Moon owns the Washington Times newspaper, and he owns the
UPI (United Press International) wireservice. He controls the main
Washington DC conservative propaganda mill. The Washington Times has
been subsidized by over a billion dollars of moonie slave labor. Every
time that a republican politician quotes the Washington Times, or
writes an article or op-ed in it, Sun Myung Moon is made larger in his
brainwashed follower's eyes. Conservatives are so desperate for
propaganda for their agenda that they willingly aid and abet Sun Myung
Moon's organized crime activities in exchange for the help his
organized crime front operations deliver to them.
Sun Myung Moon has paid ex-presidents, such as George Herbert Walker
Bush up to $10,000,000 for photo-op and endorsements, because his
virtually captive followers have very restricted access to news. They
are told that everybody Moon shakes hands with has accepted Moon as
their lord and savior. This global slave labor force replenishes a $10
million expense for faked stage setting photo-op in a couple of days.
LINKS about Moonies, Bush, Washinton Times connections:
The Moonies: Everything you wanted to know about Sun Myung Moon and
the Unification Church
Moonie and Related Links
* The Right Wing Media Conspiracy - How the Moonies and right wing
groups control the media
* Moonies and the Washington Times - The mouthpiece of Sun Myung
Moon
* Is George Bush a Moonie? - Bush takes $100,000 to endorse the
Moonies
* Inside Look at the Moonies - Great article I snagged
* Moonie Front Organizations - 1000 organization that are Moonie
fronts
* Consortium News - Very good articles about Moonies and other
right wingers
* Bush and Moon - US CIA and Korean CIA?? GHW Bush Praises Sun
Myung Moon as 'Man of Vision'
* Sun Myung Moon - "the Savior, Messiah and King of Kings of all
of humanity"
* The Bush-Kim-Moon Triangle of Money - the political largesse of
Sun Myung Moon.
Sun Myung Moon crowned as Second Coming in DC
The news of a very strange event that occurred at the end of March,
but was quietly swept under the carpet by the mainstream media, is
just now beginning to leak out. Expect to hear more about it in the
coming days. Here's a preview on what surely must be one of the most
bizarre happenings in the long history of Congressional oddities...
It occurred on March 23, 2004 when Reverend Sun Myung Moon, cultist
leader of the Unification Church (currently known as The Family
Federation for World Peace and Unification), was crowned "King of
Peace" in a coronation ceremony. In his coronation speech, Moon told
the audience that it was now time to officially recognize him as the
returned Messiah.
LINKS:
Moon Crowned in the Capital, [Unification Church] Sun Myung Moon
Crowned 'King Of America' At U.S. Senate Building, Hail to the Moon
king, Moon Over Washington, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah By
Congressmen, Sun Myung Moon crowned as Messiah by U.S. Senate! Moonie
leader 'crowned' in Senate, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah! U.S.
Lawmakers Crown rev. Sun Myung Moon Messiah! Here's a guy the
Republicans don't want us to know about. (Actually, it was a democrat
conservative, to the great relief of republican conservatives, who
placed the crown on Moon, in this hoax ceremony. In Moon's world he
replaces all governments with his Taliban, so Republicans and
Democrats all will be liquidated.
The quaint mass marriage ceremonies of the Moonies has another
significance: these represent thousands upon thousand upon thousands
of members of an organized crime empire, as dedicated as body-bomb
suicide muslims, to the eccentric whims of this visibly insane man.
Moonies surreptitiously swell rallies for rightwing causes, clog the
internet forums with their unshakable propaganda-mongering which
cannot be reasoned with, vote as a block and move across state lines
to do it. They even move across international boundaries to meddle in
politics.

Moonies also collaborate with other organized crime rings for mutal
profit.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Koctopus_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_CFACT.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Seitz.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Stohrer-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Hazeltine-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Sallie_Baliunas.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Walter_Williams_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Richard_S_Lindzen.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/AdTI_Villians.htm
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Pelosi.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Becky_Norton_Dunlop_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Confronting_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Chrispeels.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Idsos.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Fred_Michel.html
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