woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message news:<sc4Rc.94395$yd5.60192@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

Interesting how the Bush campaign seems to forget that My Lai proved beyond >any doubt whatsoever that there WERE war crimes committed in Nam.

You need to cite the sources woods. Bush is not involved - it the
people of America who see Kerry as 'Unfit for Command.'

And, after all,
Kerry merely stated that he'd heard of such from reliable witnesses, not that
he'd personally witnessed them.

You claimed My posts on this were wrong. ( I have been away) They
weren't. The Boston Globe staff writer (Michael Kranish ) who has been
writing all these lies ( like yesterday) is the same reporter who
wrote the forward for the new pro- 'Kerry-Edwards' book (Kranish, who
is covering the Kerry campaign, wrote the foreword to the official
Kerry-Edwards campaign book ). A statement came out that the ship
Vietnam veterans that the Boston reporter was claiming retracted his
one specific satement - was in fact not the case. The Boston Globe
reporter was a liar.

Source:
(a)http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39850
(b)http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran_retracts_criticism_of_kerry/

A Vietnam veteran who appears in a television ad critical of Sen. John
Kerry says a Boston Globe article asserting he retracted his criticism
of the presidential candidate's war service is "extremely inaccurate"
and "highly misleading."

Woods this was on Radio last night here too. The left attempt at lies
and propaganda are as bad as Hitler newspaper machine.

Lets see a court case? ;)

Like I said in my first post you tried to refute. Kerry, burned down
villages with a Zippo lighter, shot a fleeing, unarmed person in the
back, killed the food supply for the local families not involved in
the war and drank beer when his crew was under a intense firefight.
Shot his own self in hand to get the purple star.

He was kicked out only after 4-months. He was witnessed by at least
nine people in most of the events. He is a *****.




Quotes: "Unfit for Command: "


"I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I
treated him for that injury,"

John Kerry has not been honest. And he lacks the capacity to lead.
..."

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry. John
Kerry is no war hero."

"He betrayed all his shipmates, he lied before the Senate."

From:
By Jeff Gannon Talon News August 6, 2004 ( White House)

"McClellan was referring to the ads from 527 groups like MoveOn.org
that have waged a brutal and relentless anti-Bush campaign for nearly
a year. Billionaire financier George Soros has contributed $15 million
to these groups for the specific purpose of driving Bush from the
White House.




Sources:
Boston Globe:
KABC,KFI Talk radio.
By Jeff Gannon Talon News August 6, 2004 ( White House)



Lawyers for the DNC and the Kerry campaign sent a letter to station
managers across the country advising them that their stations could be
held "responsible for the false and libelous charges" made in the ads.

The letter:
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_pdf.html

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/
Swift veteran John O'Neill presents eyewitness accounts from Kerry's
fellow Swift sailors that demolish his tales of combat heroism.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

John Kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations to
accuse the United States military of committing massive numbers of war
crimes in Vietnam. The appearance launched Kerry's political career.
The charges he made shocked and sickened a nation, changed the course
of a war and stained the reputation of the American military for
decades. - http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/

Cont...
And the Winter Soldier tribunal itself -- which John Kerry had helped
moderate -- turned out to be, in the words of historian Guenter Lewy,
"packed with pretenders and liars."

Charges of Lies by Kerry:
o In his April 1971 speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign
Relations, John Kerry claimed that war crimes committed by the
American military against Vietnamese civilians were "not isolated
incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis..." War crimes
in Vietnam were actually quite rare.

o Kerry claimed that war crimes were being committed "with the full
awareness of officers at all levels of command." In fact, military
personnel were warned that "if you disobey the rules of engagement,
you can be tried and punished." War crimes were never a matter of
policy, and were prosecuted when discovered.

o Kerry charged that the war in Vietnam was a racist war, that "blacks
provided the highest percentage of casualties." Research published in
B.G. Burkett's book "Stolen Valor" and other sources shows that
casualty rates for black and white soldiers during Vietnam closely
matched the proportion of America's overall population represented by
each race.

o Kerry claimed that Vietnam was "ravaged equally by American bombs
and search-and-destroy missions as well as by Viet Cong terrorism..."
Later in his remarks, Kerry responded to a question about what might
happen to the South Vietnamese after our withdrawal with "So what I am
saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less
than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of
America..." Yet according to historian Guenter Lewy in "America in
Vietnam," "...the number of civilians killed deliberately by the VC is
appallingly high. No counterpart to this death toll caused by
communist terror tactics exists on the allied side."

o Asked for a recommendation about possible courses of action for
Congress to pursue, Kerry stated that he had talked with
representatives from Hanoi and from the PRG (Viet Cong) at the Paris
peace talks, and mentioned his support for "Madam Binh's points."
Madam Win Thi Binh was at that time the Foreign Minister for the PRG.
These meetings took place in the spring of 1970, before Kerry ever
joined the VVAW.

o Kerry was a leader, fund-raiser, and spokesman for Vietnam Veterans
Against the War (VVAW), an organization that staged mock mass murders
of civilians to dramatize American atrocities, and handed out flyers
that read "if you had been Vietnamese" American infantrymen might have
"burned your house" or "raped your wife and daughter" and "American
soldiers do these things every day to the Vietnamese simply because
they are 'Gooks.'"

o Kerry's used "testimony" from the VVAW's "Winter Soldier
Investigation" as the basis for his war crimes charges, although none
of the witnesses there were willing to sign depositions affirming
their claims. Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the
reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the
witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were
imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

o The deception extended to the VVAW leadership. Executive secretary
Al Hubbard claimed to have been an Air Force captain wounded piloting
a transport over Da Nang in 1966. Hubbard was actually a staff
sergeant who was never assigned to Vietnam.

o The Winter Soldier Investigation was financed by pro-Hanoi radicals
such as Jane Fonda and Mark Lane, who hoped to undermine American
support for the war by framing American soldiers as mass murderers. At
the same time, the North Vietnamese military was torturing American
prisoners of war to make them confess to identical crimes. At least
one former POW has stated that Kerry's testimony was used by North
Vietnam to demoralize American prisoners during interrogations.

o John Kerry has denied any association with Jane Fonda, but he
attended the 1970 VVAW leadership meeting that chose Fonda and
Executive Secretary Al Hubbard to do a national speaking tour to raise
money for the VVAW and launch new chapters. Fonda was also the primary
source of funds for the Winter Soldier Investigation, where Kerry was
a moderator.

o The VVAW signed the People's Peace Treaty during Kerry's tenure --
the VVAW even sent a delegation to Hanoi. The document was a laundry
list of North Vietnamese bargaining points, including the key
concession that the United States must agree to withdraw all troops
before any negotiations could take place for the return of American
prisoners.

o The VVAW was at the heart of the propaganda effort that so
effectively smeared American servicemen in Vietnam as murderous,
drug-addled psychotics that returning veterans were cursed and spat
upon in the streets. In fact, as shown in B.G. Burkett's book "Stolen
Valor," Vietnam veterans are more psychologically stable and
successful than their civilian counterparts.

o The VVAW was a radical and potentially violent organization that
formally considered assassinating prominent supporters of the war. As
reported in the New York Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, during a November
1971 meeting in Kansas City the VVAW leadership and chapter
coordinators voted down a plan to murder several U.S. Senators,
including John Tower, John Stennis, and Strom Thurmond. Two VVAW
members who were present, Randy Barnes and Terry Du-Bose, place John
Kerry at that meeting, as do the meeting minutes and FBI records.
Kerry claims to have resigned from the VVAW at the meeting or shortly
thereafter, but there is no evidence that he ever informed authorities
about the conspiracy. Kerry continued to publicly represent the VVAW
until at least April of 1972.


[ end section on Kerry lies ]

Now more lies of Kerry.

'Vets say Kerry made up Cambodia story'

WND.com -All of the surviving officers in Kerry's chain of command
deny he was ever ordered to Cambodia: Joe Streuhli, commander of
Costal Division 13; George Elliott, commander of Coastal Division 11;
Adrian Lonsdale, captain USCG and commander Coastal Surveillance
Center at An Thoi; Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, commander of Coastal
Surveillance Force Vietnam, CTF 115; and Rear Adm. Art Price,
commander of River Patrol Force, CTF 116.

Also at least three of the five crewmen on Kerry's PCF 44 boat -- Bill
Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner -- deny that they or their
boat were ever in Cambodia. The remaining two crewmen declined to be
interviewed for the book.

The authors say the Cambodia incursion story is not included in
Douglas Brinkley's "Tour of Duty." Instead, Kerry told of a mortar
attack on Christmas Eve 1968 "near the Cambodia border" in Sa Dec.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39856


Woods lets see a court case and drag Kerry in with many witnesses who
saw his cowardice - hey :)

http://www.Michaelreport.com

woodswun@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message news:<sc4Rc.94395$yd5.60192@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

Interesting how the Bush campaign seems to forget that My Lai proved beyond >any doubt whatsoever that there WERE war crimes committed in Nam.

You need to cite the sources woods. Bush is not involved - it the
people of America who see Kerry as 'Unfit for Command.'

And, after all,
Kerry merely stated that he'd heard of such from reliable witnesses, not that
he'd personally witnessed them.

You claimed My posts on this were wrong. ( I have been away) They
weren't. The Boston Globe staff writer (Michael Kranish ) who has been
writing all these lies ( like yesterday) is the same reporter who
wrote the forward for the new pro- 'Kerry-Edwards' book (Kranish, who
is covering the Kerry campaign, wrote the foreword to the official
Kerry-Edwards campaign book ). A statement came out that the ship
Vietnam veterans that the Boston reporter was claiming retracted his
one specific satement - was in fact not the case. The Boston Globe
reporter was a liar.

Source:
(a)http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39850
(b)http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran_retracts_criticism_of_kerry/

A Vietnam veteran who appears in a television ad critical of Sen. John
Kerry says a Boston Globe article asserting he retracted his criticism
of the presidential candidate's war service is "extremely inaccurate"
and "highly misleading."

Woods this was on Radio last night here too. The left attempt at lies
and propaganda are as bad as Hitler newspaper machine.

Lets see a court case? ;)

Like I said in my first post you tried to refute. Kerry, burned down
villages with a Zippo lighter, shot a fleeing, unarmed person in the
back, killed the food supply for the local families not involved in
the war and drank beer when his crew was under a intense firefight.
Shot his own self in hand to get the purple star.

He was kicked out only after 4-months. He was witnessed by at least
nine people in most of the events. He is a *****.