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Date:	14 Jul 2004 03:38:01 AM
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http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article823183.ece
Norway protests child abuse in Iraq
Norwegian authorities reacted with shock and disgust Tuesday to a documentary on
German TV that American soldiers allegedly have been holding children in prisons
in Iraq, and abusing them as well. The Norwegians joined the Red Cross and
Amnesty International in calling for an immediate end to the abuse, and release
of the underage prisoners, some of whom are as young as 12 years.

In one case, a girl around age 15 was said to have been shoved up against a wall
by a group of male soldiers who proceeded to manhandle her. They then started
ripping off her clothes, and she was half-naked before military police broke in.
In another case, a boy aged 15 or 16 was stripped naked and sprayed with water
before being placed in an open truck and driven around in the cold night air
last winter. He then was covered with mud.
"These types of attacks are absolutely unacceptable," said a spokesman for
Norwegian Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik. "They violate international law
and are morally indefensible."
Odd Jostein Sæter of the prime minister's office told Norwegian Broadcasting
(NRK) Tuesday that Norwegian officials will react "both politically and
diplomatically" to their US counterparts.
Neither the imprisonment nor abuse of children "can be tolerated," Sæter said.
"We will take this up in a very sharp and direct way and make concrete demands,"
he said on national radio, adding that such practices "damage the struggle for
democracy and human rights in Iraq."
Norwegian authorities plan to review other reports of the abuse by both Amnesty
International and Red Cross in detail.
The head of Amnesty International in Norway said Tuesday that Norway should not
continue its military cooperation with the US after the reports of child
"torture" were revealed.
Most of the more than 100 minors still believed to be held in
American-controlled prisons in Iraq were taken into custody after US forces
raided their homes.
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User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies on Iraq invasion (Traprock)	20 Jul 2004 08:28:09 PM

Michael Johnathan McDonald wrote:
Would you all kindly remove alt.religion.scientology from the crosspostings
in this exceptionally off topic drivel?
Before you both get netcopped?
Thank you.
Cheerful Charlie

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:<7feLc.1162353$ef4.136106@news.easynews.com>...

Way to put his own ***** under his nose Michael. Maybe he can follow the
scent out of our NG... lol

merci.

J.

Michael Johnathan McDonald a écrit:

AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
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*The pertinent issues here is your history:

"As I said,10 to 20 briefcase nukes are needed to solve Amerciunt
neo-Nazi dream of ruling the world."

"Who told you only Islamic people hate neo-Nazi United ***** of
Americunts? Who told you I am Muslim? You are not going to do *****
anyway, *****.

The final solution still makes sense to me: 10 to 20 briefcase nukes.
You are not going to do ***** after that."

"Sita would wear a ***** and assfuck Rama. This was the first *****
ever used in history. This is same as shiva's lorda == shiva Lingam.

"Americunts are the uncivilized pigs."

"Sita a pig fucking filthy ***** and ram a ***** sucking *****"

"Now we are on the right track. I guess all Americunts aren't dumb,"

"Long live Iraqi insurgents!"

"I openly admit I am on the side of Iraqis"

"Jesus Christ is my dog.
Jesus Christ is my *****
Biblical god Yahweh is my *****
Holy Ghost is the ***** that comes out of my ***** called Jesus "

"Jesus Christ is my *****
Biblical god Yahweh is my *****
Holy Ghost is the ***** that comes out of my ***** called Jesus
That makes it the holy Trinity
Jesus was born when Mary took a *****
The Holy Ghost has opened his mouth so I can ***** in it
pissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss in Holy Ghost mouth

Thank you very much ..."
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Here we go. Another Americunt wants Iraqis to be "grateful" and
"appreciate" for
being invaded, occupied, butchered, bombed and tortured ..

Who says Amercunts are NOT stupid?

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Quotes from AK:

"As I said,10 to 20 briefcase nukes are needed to solve Amerciunt
neo-Nazi dream
of ruling the world."

Jesus Christ is my dog.
Jesus Christ is my *****
Biblical god Yahweh is my *****
Holy Ghost is the ***** that comes out of my ***** called Jesus

What's your point, dicky?

Once we get through bombing the ***** out of Syria and Iran maybe

islam

will have had enough.

As I said,10 to 20 briefcase nukes are needed to solve Amerciunt
neo-Nazi dream
of ruling the world.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=401dc5d4a20288d298ee418a03b6dcf3%40news.teranews.com&output=gplain

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Americunts are the uncivilized pigs.

I won't even read the rest of your post. That's a good enough answer
and
describes you Americunts perfectly.

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Yawn>

Who told you only Islamic people hate neo-Nazi United ***** of
Americunts? Who
told you I am Muslim? You are not going to do ***** anyway, *****.

The final solution still makes sense to me: 10 to 20 briefcase nukes.
You are
not going to do ***** after that.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=eb55c32d2680dcfa0a08e716943f646c%40news.teranews.com&output=gplain

Thank you very much.

Reply:
The problem with you (crypto)muslims is that you are so uncivilized.
Always talking about assholes and idiots

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As if I care ... I am atheist fucker ..

Here is my curse to you...

Jesus Christ is my *****
Biblical god Yahweh is my *****
Holy Ghost is the ***** that comes out of my ***** called Jesus
That makes it the holy Trinity
Jesus was born when Mary took a *****
The Holy Ghost has opened his mouth so I can ***** in it
pissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss in Holy Ghost mouth

Thank you very much ...

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Stop raping women and children in prisons ..(if you are an American)

And ***** Jesus in ***** with a cross till he cums.

Thank you very much.

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"Can't defend your ***** sick troops who rape women and children,
*****?"

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8e51a2203afd3be4c3857a942455efc5%40news.teranews.com&output=gplain

"These Iraqis were innocent, not the baby killers. You are confusing
Iraqi
prisoners with American troops (the child rapists) who raped women and
children
to get information from innocent prisoners. "

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:someoneNasty%40hotmails.com&start=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=1c4a3605fe5174adf99dc77c498e96e4%40news.teranews.com&rnum=33

"Can any Indiot explain:

Why Indiots look like niggers but unlike niggers are 4 feet tall and
have 2 inch
penis?

Real niggers are at least tall and have big dicks .. Indian niggers
are 4 feet
tall with 2 inch penis. How come?

I ate cow beef tonight. Would you Indiots worship my ***** if I *****
out your god
cow in your temple?

Tumhara Bap, AK"

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If you did, following more Raaga Coming soon

Om Gay Parvati Maata

Om Gay Lakshmi Maata

Om Gay Sita Maata

Om Gay Randi Maata

Lunde Maatram

---
Bhawgwan Ram likes it when I grab him by his neck as I shove my big
***** in his
oily ***** :))

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Fellow Indiots,

Read this and weep (copyrighted by me two years ago in this NG-- and I
see
people are still using this).

A song for you: Om jay fuckdesh raam ki gand hareey, seeta gashti ki
gand
Bhgwan ney maree

Sita would wear a ***** and assfuck Rama. This was the first *****
ever used in
history. This is same as shiva's lorda == shiva Lingam.

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First Post under this signature "AK"
Nobody gives a ***** to what ***** drinking, ***** worshiping, Female
burning,
Widow burning, Human caste creating, scumbags called Hindus say. :))

These cow worshippers, called indiots, ***** in their pants with fear.

They were supposed to win if they played 60%? HA HA! Cow ***** drinkers
are

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hilarious.

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Sita a pig fucking filthy ***** and ram a ***** sucking *****

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A- P - N posts
Reply by others:
You are indeed one of the best voices of the East, Mr mails.

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Just like Americunts staged 9/11?

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Daarksyde from Canada posts from

(

) calls
Americunts on AK multi-topic post

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Now we are on the right track. I guess all Americunts aren't dumb,
there may be hope for some of you yet.
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Same thread:

Not just liberals hate Americunts, most of the world does at this
point.

Repeated "mericunts" word. Not that popular. Daark post friends reply
to AK.

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Daarks posts and replies:

Fucking Americunt Idiot.

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Sarted Thread: Subject: Stupid Americunts!!!

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I spit on Americunt flag everyday for this illegal massacre and
invasion of
Iraq.
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Americunts are now desperate and torturing Iraqis because Iraqis have
refused to
submit and be enslaved by these foreign thugs who thought they were
going to
rule Iraq and control Iraqi oil. Some of these idiots now claim they
are in Iraq
to "help" and "liberate" Iraq by killing and torturing them.

Who asked the US to help Iraq? Not the Iraqis. They invaded Iraq after
claiming
that Sadam has WMDs (a lie). Now these idiots forgot about WMDs and
instead are
claiming that they are there to "help" and "liberate" Iraq. Go figure!
The lie
about WMD has been changed to "liberating" and "helping" Iraqis by
invading,
killing and torturing them. What kind of idiots are these people?

Long live Iraqi insurgents! Never submit to foreign invaders. Fight
till you are
liberated. The whole world supports your fight for freedom from these
stupid
Americunts.

=---

They aren't really anti-war, you see. They are just on the other

side.

Of course, *****! Who told you I am not on the side of justice and
freedom but
on Americunt side instead? I openly admit I am on the side of Iraqis
defending
their land from foreign invaders/looters and fighting from liberation
from thugs
who thought they were going to rule Iraq and control their oil. An
Iraqi
insurgent/soldier life is a thousands times more valuable than an
Amerccunt
soldier who is fighting an illegal war justified by a lie (WMDs).

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Answer my point, Zionist *****. Did the Spanish government support
the US
invasion even though most citizens were opposed to the illegal war? If
yes, why
are you whining that this government was thrown out?

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decent who is pro-American and Israeli.

AK post:

Oh, I see why.

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Daark using Americunt word like AK.

And there's the problem. Butcher Bush will be back for another 4 years
unless the Americunt sheeple wake up.He fixed the last election,
what's to stop him from doing it again?

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*Tony this AK character is a real terrorist. Do you think he is with
Al-Qaeda and out to kill George W. Bush?

Ak Google search: author:someoneNasty@hotmails.com

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---Look!

Who told you only Islamic people hate neo-Nazi United ***** of
Americunts? Who
told you I am Muslim? You are not going to do ***** anyway, *****.
"The final solution still makes sense to me: 10 to 20 briefcase nukes.
You are
not going to do ***** after that.

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"I spit on Americunt flag everyday "

"Of course, *****! Who told you I am not on the side of justice and
freedom but on Americunt side instead? I openly admit I am on the side
of Iraqis"

"Americunts are now desperate and torturing Iraqis because Iraqis have
refused to submit"

reference to his history and more:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=FAQs+Nostradamus&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3597F38F.E8BB62B2%40ivic.qc.ca&rnum=6
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Senator Waxman's searchable database of iraq war lies.
www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
"L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
himself with fellow liars.
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "AK"
Title: Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies on Iraq invasion (Traprock)	21 Jul 2004 05:09:06 AM

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:19:31 GMT, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net>
wrote:

Way to put his own ***** under his nose Michael. Maybe he can follow the
scent out of our NG... lol

In your terrorist dreams..
.

User: "Joe Blowtowski"
Title: Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies on Iraq invasion (Traprock)	22 Jul 2004 12:09:23 PM

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:52:09 -0500, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com>
wrote:

RealPlayer

http://www.traprockpeace.org/ritter_26feb04_mono.ram

or MP3

http://www.traprockpeace.org/audio/ritter_26feb04_mono.mp3

Do you mean SCOTT RITTER the convicted CHILD MOLESTER?
The same SCOTT RITTER who was caught up in a FBI pedophile sting?
or did you conveniently forget that a once highly respected inspector
completely lost his mind... (just like Gore did)
Well in Scotty's defense,
I think that most 'weak minded liberal' people would see the Black
Helicopters just like Ritter does...
Especially after meeting up with a 15 year old (FBI agent) in a
Internet Chat Room, and then going to meet her for SEX.. (sting)
at a restaurant (busted)
And you all would put your TRUST in a Child Molester...
a CONVICTED Child Molester...
GAWD..
You Liberals would VOTE for Satan
or even believe Adolph Hitler wouldn't you
Just as long as they were against Bush..
.

User: "vonroach"
Title: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies on Iraq invasion (Traprock)	22 Jul 2004 06:32:49 PM

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:09:23 -0700, Joe Blowtowski
<Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:52:09 -0500, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com>
wrote:

RealPlayer

http://www.traprockpeace.org/ritter_26feb04_mono.ram

or MP3

http://www.traprockpeace.org/audio/ritter_26feb04_mono.mp3

Do you mean SCOTT RITTER the convicted CHILD MOLESTER?

The same SCOTT RITTER who was caught up in a FBI pedophile sting?

Yep. Makes one wonder what he was looking for in Iraq. There is no
lack of weapons in that Sadaam slum.

or did you conveniently forget that a once highly respected inspector
completely lost his mind... (just like Gore did)

Well in Scotty's defense,
I think that most 'weak minded liberal' people would see the Black
Helicopters just like Ritter does...

Especially after meeting up with a 15 year old (FBI agent) in a
Internet Chat Room, and then going to meet her for SEX.. (sting)
at a restaurant (busted)

And you all would put your TRUST in a Child Molester...
a CONVICTED Child Molester...

GAWD..
You Liberals would VOTE for Satan
or even believe Adolph Hitler wouldn't you
Just as long as they were against Bush..

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies onIraq invasion (Traprock)	23 Jul 2004 08:53:10 PM

Exactly, Bush is not an anti-semite.
J.
Black Christ a écrit:

Hitler would not have liked Bush much.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies onIraq invasion (Traprock)	22 Jul 2004 09:16:25 PM

Ritters' worth as a UN inspector is totally discredited by those who are
still the top experts.
See http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Ritterscase.wmv
(http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Ritterscase.ASX in stream)
He is sold out to the enemy, whomever pays the most.
J.
vonroach a écrit:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:09:23 -0700, Joe Blowtowski
<Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:52:09 -0500, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com>
wrote:

RealPlayer

http://www.traprockpeace.org/ritter_26feb04_mono.ram

or MP3

http://www.traprockpeace.org/audio/ritter_26feb04_mono.mp3

Do you mean SCOTT RITTER the convicted CHILD MOLESTER?

The same SCOTT RITTER who was caught up in a FBI pedophile sting?

Yep. Makes one wonder what he was looking for in Iraq. There is no
lack of weapons in that Sadaam slum.

User: "Don W. McCollough"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies on Iraq invasion (Traprock)	23 Jul 2004 05:21:03 AM

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Ex_Lc.20255073$Id.3353951@news.easynews.com>...

Ritters' worth as a UN inspector is totally discredited by those who are
still the top experts.

See http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Ritterscase.wmv
(http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Ritterscase.ASX in stream)

He is sold out to the enemy, whomever pays the most.

J.

Its almost comical to see the extent you warmongers are in denial.
You people ought to have your voting rights taken away.
*non compos mentes* the grounds...
Hahaha.

vonroach a écrit:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:09:23 -0700, Joe Blowtowski
<Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:52:09 -0500, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com>
wrote:

RealPlayer

http://www.traprockpeace.org/ritter_26feb04_mono.ram

or MP3

http://www.traprockpeace.org/audio/ritter_26feb04_mono.mp3

Do you mean SCOTT RITTER the convicted CHILD MOLESTER?

The same SCOTT RITTER who was caught up in a FBI pedophile sting?

Yep. Makes one wonder what he was looking for in Iraq. There is no
lack of weapons in that Sadaam slum.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies onIraq invasion (Traprock)	23 Jul 2004 02:48:55 PM

Don W. McCollough a écrit:

Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message news:<Ex_Lc.20255073$Id.3353951@news.easynews.com>...

Ritters' worth as a UN inspector is totally discredited by those who are
still the top experts.

See http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Ritterscase.wmv
(http://www.michelnostradamus.org/Ritterscase.ASX in stream)

He is sold out to the enemy, whomever pays the most.

J.

Its almost comical to see the extent you warmongers are in denial.

You people ought to have your voting rights taken away.

That's exactly what commies do. Or more exactly, they destroy parties
that uphold the rights.
It is no surprise to hear it from one.
J.

*non compos mentes* the grounds...

Hahaha.

vonroach a écrit:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:09:23 -0700, Joe Blowtowski
<Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:52:09 -0500, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com>
wrote:

RealPlayer

http://www.traprockpeace.org/ritter_26feb04_mono.ram

or MP3

http://www.traprockpeace.org/audio/ritter_26feb04_mono.mp3

Do you mean SCOTT RITTER the convicted CHILD MOLESTER?

The same SCOTT RITTER who was caught up in a FBI pedophile sting?

Yep. Makes one wonder what he was looking for in Iraq. There is no
lack of weapons in that Sadaam slum.

User: "vonroach"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies on Iraq invasion (Traprock)	23 Jul 2004 07:36:16 AM

On 23 Jul 2004 03:21:03 -0700,

(Don W.
McCollough) wrote:

Its almost comical to see the extent you warmongers are in denial.

You people ought to have your voting rights taken away.

*non compos mentes* the grounds...

Amusing donnylad, I'm reminded that the Boston group of 9/11
terrorists apparently came by way of Canada. Our good if silly and
incompetent neighbors. The border is at its worst in British Columbia.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies onIraq invasion (Traprock)	23 Jul 2004 02:49:49 PM

vonroach a écrit:

On 23 Jul 2004 03:21:03 -0700,

(Don W.
McCollough) wrote:

Its almost comical to see the extent you warmongers are in denial.

You people ought to have your voting rights taken away.

*non compos mentes* the grounds...

Amusing donnylad, I'm reminded that the Boston group of 9/11
terrorists apparently came by way of Canada. Our good if silly and
incompetent neighbors. The border is at its worst in British Columbia.

That is a lie.
Check your facts.
J.
.

User: "vonroach"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies on Iraq invasion (Traprock)	23 Jul 2004 04:35:17 PM

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:49:49 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

vonroach a écrit:

On 23 Jul 2004 03:21:03 -0700,

(Don W.
McCollough) wrote:

Its almost comical to see the extent you warmongers are in denial.

You people ought to have your voting rights taken away.

*non compos mentes* the grounds...

Amusing donnylad, I'm reminded that the Boston group of 9/11
terrorists apparently came by way of Canada. Our good if silly and
incompetent neighbors. The border is at its worst in British Columbia.

That is a lie.

Check your facts.

J.

I iterate - worst where it borders Washington State. Only slightly
better is border with Quebec.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: Canadian child molester Re: Scott Ritter: Exposes more lies onIraq invasion (Traprock)	23 Jul 2004 07:58:19 PM

vonroach a écrit:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:49:49 GMT, Jean Guernon
<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

vonroach a écrit:

On 23 Jul 2004 03:21:03 -0700,

(Don W.
McCollough) wrote:

Its almost comical to see the extent you warmongers are in denial.

You people ought to have your voting rights taken away.

*non compos mentes* the grounds...

Amusing donnylad, I'm reminded that the Boston group of 9/11
terrorists apparently came by way of Canada. Our good if silly and
incompetent neighbors. The border is at its worst in British Columbia.

That is a lie.

Check your facts.

J.

I iterate - worst where it borders Washington State. Only slightly
better is border with Quebec.

I don't dispute that, even though there was post 9-11 tremendous
improvements. (I could direct you on the concerned website of the
Canadian government on request). But indeed, there may be less scrutiny
this side of the border for Aliens and this could pose problem in the
future.
But here above, I am talking about the terrorists of 9-11, they all came
to the US directly. Check your facts.
J.
.

User: "In The Darkness"
Title: Re: Georgetown Professor Accuses Bill O'Reilly of Lying About 9/11Commission's Findings	19 Jul 2004 11:22:46 PM

A transcript for the real player impaired.
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20040719&s=coleweb
AK wrote:

"Georgetown Law School professor David Cole describes how Bill O'Reilly
deliberately cut out a recorded statement from the head of the 9/11 Commission
to mislead his audience about links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. "

See the clip at:

http://tinyurl.com/63cbx

User: "AK"
Title: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 05:22:08 AM

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippine withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion) to save the life of a
Philippino, but consider this: in 1979 when Iranian militants seized the US
embassy in Iran. The world's strongest military power was helpless in obtaining
the release of 66 (later 52) diplomatic personnel. An ambitious rescue mission
collapsed even before it started. No amount of saber-rattling and threats of
retaliatory action could free the hostages. The ordeal ended two years later
under an arms-for-hostages deal that saw the delivery of sophisticated war
materiel to Iran (then engaged in a protracted war with Iraq) in exchange for
the release of the hostages.
They were freed just hours after US President Ronald Reagan's inauguration on
Jan. 20, 1981. The swap was secretly forged by Reagan's operatives even while
President Jimmy Carter was still in office. Like a dramatic Hollywood movie, the
hostages returned home as Reagan entered the White House and Carter retreated to
his peanut farm in Georgia in humiliation over his failure to protect the
American personnel in Iran.
As expected, Reagan's political enemies cried foul over the clandestine
operation. But the Reagan administration was quick to justify its action by
saying that the safety of the hostages was paramount to all other policy
considerations. The sellout to Iranian terrorists was well received by majority
of the American public.
Fear of further loss of lives also persuaded the US government to give in to
terrorists when a car bomb smashed into a US marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon,
in October 1983 killing 231 American servicemen.
The troops had been sent to Lebanon to prevent it from becoming a battleground
between Palestinian militants, who were backed by Arab countries, and the
Israeli army. The United States maintained its military presence in spite of
repeated threats by Palestinian terrorists to bomb them out of Lebanon.
In April 1983, terrorists rammed a truck loaded with explosives at the US
embassy in Beirut, resulting in the death of 63 people, including 17 Americans.
The action did not faze the US government. It said it would not bow down to the
terrorists' demands to pull out its troops from that country.
Six months later, after the worst casualty record of American soldiers on a
single day, a distinction that still stands up to the present, Reagan
immediately ordered an immediate withdrawal of its troops from Lebanon. The
policy of standing up to terrorism was promptly forgotten.
The move drew strong support from the American public. Never mind if the action
meant breaking an international commitment, what mattered most to the US
leadership at that time was keeping its troops away from the deadly attacks by
Palestinian terrorists.
The same scenario was repeated in Somalia in 1993. Upon the request of the
United Nations, the first President George Bush sent 25,000 soldiers to that
African country to prevent massive starvation of its populace brought about by
anarchy. The warring tribal chieftains in that impoverished nation made it
extremely difficult for the UN to undertake its feeding program. The US troops
were tasked with maintaining peace and order as the UN tried to stave off mass
starvation of the Somalis.
As things turned out, the Somali militia was not scared of the American soldiers
and their sophisticated weapons. In November 1993, a ragtag army of Somali
terrorists killed 18 US Rangers who were part of a contingent assigned to arrest
a local warlord."
Where is the end to US hypocrisy?
.

User: "TonyZ2001"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 07:45:33 AM

wrote:

Where is the end to US hypocrisy?

Where is the the end to yours?
You cry because you think the US is going to use too much force, then you
ridicule us when we don't.
You are the a perfect example of a Liberal.
Tony
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 01:36:00 PM

AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message news:<ofgsf0thojqp5h2vuj3id582dh9iv7ikso@4ax.com>...

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippine withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion) to save the life of a
Philippino,

Can't spell Filipino idiot? You fuckin retard.
.

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 08:07:35 AM

On 21 Jul 2004 11:36:00 -0700,

(Michael
Johnathan McDonald) wrote:

AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message news:<ofgsf0thojqp5h2vuj3id582dh9iv7ikso@4ax.com>...

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippine withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion) to save the life of a
Philippino,

Can't spell Filipino idiot? You fuckin retard.

bwahahaha!
That's rich coming from you, dictionary boy.
You can't say anything against his post so you start picking on *a*
spelling mistake - I'm surprised you even noticed.
I'm getting this mental image of you, frustrated by your
dimwittedness, unable to compose a refuting argument, looking up each
and every word in his post that is longer than five letters, just to
find *some* way to get the last word in. You're a sad case, Ronald.
Now, how's that Big Mac coming along?
.

User: "Malev"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 06:33:38 AM

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:22:08 -0500, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippine withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion)

<more of the same ***** deleted>
Godwin status achieved.
In the killfile with the other idiotic trolls.
.

User: "In The Darkness"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 11:51:59 AM

Malev wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:22:08 -0500, AK <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote:

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippine withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion)

<more of the same ***** deleted>

Godwin status achieved.
In the killfile with the other idiotic trolls.

Which tells us you can't make a valid counter-argument,
and now try to weasel out.
If you did kill file me, which, as you are a Reichwinger,
I seriously doubt ANYTHING you say....
Then you won't be able to read this, and the fact
my Goat wants to sue you for fathering her *****
child.... won't bother you. :)
But, her life mate, Billy, feels that He is even,
as when you blew him, he hadn't spunked so hard
in his life... spraying you harder than Bll
did Monica... he wonder how you could swallow most
of it... even if some did dribble down your chin...
so, in recompense for the gooing,
he is willing to raise the ugly *****, as his own. :P
Poor thing looks just like you.
:D
With that said...
Godwin was revoked when it was determined that
we had reich wingers using reverse engineered
Nazi Propaganda, and KGB techniques on American Soil..
The link to the revocation is right here:
http://www.google.com/groups?q=Godwin+Revoked+group:alt.politics.usa.congress&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=svqdnV6Ez9cHIiHdRVn-sA%40giganews.com&rnum=
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Note that it's a limiting factor on the length of USENET threads in
GENERAL. For example in a gardening or electronics newsgroup if a
thread becomes so long that someone mentions Nazis, it's time to stop
the thread.
The law is plainly revoked if the initial point for discussion going
in (in POLITICAL newsgroups) is that a certain set of people share
POLITICAL ideals with Nazis.
The law is also revoked if it is "intentionally triggered" so that
victory can be claimed (you seem to have snipped that bit).
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html
Besides, this very convenient law (for for the Right) does not appear
to have an inverse in their eyes, as we on the left are inundated
daily with spurious accusations from the Right that we are all
"communists" and "Stalinists"."
-----------------------------------------------------------------
So feel free to pull a paper bag over your own head,
if you choose..... (As that is what you do when you killfile)
But, remember, you pull a paper bag over your -own- head,
not the groups.
Billy say his Man Meat hasn't felt that good in years!
Now, keep quiet if you acknowledge sucking Goats, is your
personal secret fetish.
.

User: "AK"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 07:44:08 AM

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:33:38 +0100, Malev <pengxm@cqnet.com.cn> wrote:

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippine withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion)

<more of the same ***** deleted>

Godwin status achieved.
In the killfile with the other idiotic trolls.

One down .. more to go.
Success!
.

User: "In The Darkness"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 11:53:49 AM

AK wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:33:38 +0100, Malev <pengxm@cqnet.com.cn> wrote:

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippine withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion)

<more of the same ***** deleted>

Godwin status achieved.
In the killfile with the other idiotic trolls.

One down .. more to go.

Success!

Godwin was revoked when it was determined that
we had reich wingers using reverse engineered
Nazi Propaganda, and KGB techniques on American Soil..
The link to the revocation is right here:
http://www.google.com/groups?q=Godwin+Revoked+group:alt.politics.usa.congress&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=svqdnV6Ez9cHIiHdRVn-sA%40giganews.com&rnum=
-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Note that it's a limiting factor on the length of USENET threads in
GENERAL. For example in a gardening or electronics newsgroup if a
thread becomes so long that someone mentions Nazis, it's time to stop
the thread.
The law is plainly revoked if the initial point for discussion going
in (in POLITICAL newsgroups) is that a certain set of people share
POLITICAL ideals with Nazis.
The law is also revoked if it is "intentionally triggered" so that
victory can be claimed (you seem to have snipped that bit).
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html
Besides, this very convenient law (for for the Right) does not appear
to have an inverse in their eyes, as we on the left are inundated
daily with spurious accusations from the Right that we are all
"communists" and "Stalinists"."
-----------------------------------------------------------------
"NYaaaaa Nyaaaa"....... I think Billy misses your friend. :P
.

User: "AK"
Title: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 09:33:28 AM

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining about
Philippines withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion) to save the life of
a Filipino, but consider this: in 1979 when Iranian militants seized the US
embassy in Iran. The world's strongest military power was helpless in obtaining
the release of 66 (later 52) diplomatic personnel. An ambitious rescue mission
collapsed even before it started. No amount of saber-rattling and threats of
retaliatory action could free the hostages. The ordeal ended two years later
under an arms-for-hostages deal that saw the delivery of sophisticated war
materiel to Iran (then engaged in a protracted war with Iraq) in exchange for
the release of the hostages.
They were freed just hours after US President Ronald Reagan's inauguration on
Jan. 20, 1981. The swap was secretly forged by Reagan's operatives even while
President Jimmy Carter was still in office. Like a dramatic Hollywood movie, the
hostages returned home as Reagan entered the White House and Carter retreated to
his peanut farm in Georgia in humiliation over his failure to protect the
American personnel in Iran.
As expected, Reagan's political enemies cried foul over the clandestine
operation. But the Reagan administration was quick to justify its action by
saying that the safety of the hostages was paramount to all other policy
considerations. The sellout to Iranian terrorists was well received by majority
of the American public.
Fear of further loss of lives also persuaded the US government to give in to
terrorists when a car bomb smashed into a US marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon,
in October 1983 killing 231 American servicemen.
The troops had been sent to Lebanon to prevent it from becoming a battleground
between Palestinian militants, who were backed by Arab countries, and the
Israeli army. The United States maintained its military presence in spite of
repeated threats by Palestinian terrorists to bomb them out of Lebanon.
In April 1983, terrorists rammed a truck loaded with explosives at the US
embassy in Beirut, resulting in the death of 63 people, including 17 Americans.
The action did not faze the US government. It said it would not bow down to the
terrorists' demands to pull out its troops from that country.
Six months later, after the worst casualty record of American soldiers on a
single day, a distinction that still stands up to the present, Reagan
immediately ordered an immediate withdrawal of its troops from Lebanon. The
policy of standing up to terrorism was promptly forgotten.
The move drew strong support from the American public. Never mind if the action
meant breaking an international commitment, what mattered most to the US
leadership at that time was keeping its troops away from the deadly attacks by
Palestinian terrorists.
The same scenario was repeated in Somalia in 1993. Upon the request of the
United Nations, the first President George Bush sent 25,000 soldiers to that
African country to prevent massive starvation of its populace brought about by
anarchy. The warring tribal chieftains in that impoverished nation made it
extremely difficult for the UN to undertake its feeding program. The US troops
were tasked with maintaining peace and order as the UN tried to stave off mass
starvation of the Somalis.
As things turned out, the Somali militia was not scared of the American soldiers
and their sophisticated weapons. In November 1993, a ragtag army of Somali
terrorists killed 18 US Rangers who were part of a contingent assigned to arrest
a local warlord.
To cut the story short, the US ran and Americans supported the decision, but
Americans want Philippines to sacrifice the life of a Filipino for an illegal
imperial war based on a lie (WMD). Go figure.
Where is the end to US hypocrisy?
.

User: "Clark Pope"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	21 Jul 2004 08:26:42 PM

Exactly! We've been appeasing, retreating, and turning the other cheek with
these jerk offs for decades. What did it get us: 9/11! That's how we know
very well that cowardly acts like the Filipinos and Spaniards will not work.
"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:3evsf0halc15rfm9jl1df3hud6p0bf15qm@4ax.com...

We have a pot calling cattle black situation here. Americans are whining

about

Philippines withdrawing troops from Iraq (illegal invasion) to save the

life of

a Filipino, but consider this: in 1979 when Iranian militants seized the

embassy in Iran. The world's strongest military power was helpless in

obtaining

the release of 66 (later 52) diplomatic personnel. An ambitious rescue

mission

collapsed even before it started. No amount of saber-rattling and threats

retaliatory action could free the hostages. The ordeal ended two years

later

under an arms-for-hostages deal that saw the delivery of sophisticated war
materiel to Iran (then engaged in a protracted war with Iraq) in exchange

for

the release of the hostages.

They were freed just hours after US President Ronald Reagan's inauguration

Jan. 20, 1981. The swap was secretly forged by Reagan's operatives even

while

President Jimmy Carter was still in office. Like a dramatic Hollywood

movie, the

hostages returned home as Reagan entered the White House and Carter

retreated to

his peanut farm in Georgia in humiliation over his failure to protect the
American personnel in Iran.

As expected, Reagan's political enemies cried foul over the clandestine
operation. But the Reagan administration was quick to justify its action

saying that the safety of the hostages was paramount to all other policy
considerations. The sellout to Iranian terrorists was well received by

majority

of the American public.

Fear of further loss of lives also persuaded the US government to give in

terrorists when a car bomb smashed into a US marine barracks in Beirut,

Lebanon,

in October 1983 killing 231 American servicemen.

The troops had been sent to Lebanon to prevent it from becoming a

battleground

between Palestinian militants, who were backed by Arab countries, and the
Israeli army. The United States maintained its military presence in spite

repeated threats by Palestinian terrorists to bomb them out of Lebanon.

In April 1983, terrorists rammed a truck loaded with explosives at the US
embassy in Beirut, resulting in the death of 63 people, including 17

Americans.

The action did not faze the US government. It said it would not bow down

to the

terrorists' demands to pull out its troops from that country.

Six months later, after the worst casualty record of American soldiers on

single day, a distinction that still stands up to the present, Reagan
immediately ordered an immediate withdrawal of its troops from Lebanon.

The

policy of standing up to terrorism was promptly forgotten.

The move drew strong support from the American public. Never mind if the

action

meant breaking an international commitment, what mattered most to the US
leadership at that time was keeping its troops away from the deadly

attacks by

Palestinian terrorists.

The same scenario was repeated in Somalia in 1993. Upon the request of the
United Nations, the first President George Bush sent 25,000 soldiers to

that

African country to prevent massive starvation of its populace brought

about by

anarchy. The warring tribal chieftains in that impoverished nation made it
extremely difficult for the UN to undertake its feeding program. The US

troops

were tasked with maintaining peace and order as the UN tried to stave off

mass

starvation of the Somalis.

As things turned out, the Somali militia was not scared of the American

soldiers

and their sophisticated weapons. In November 1993, a ragtag army of Somali
terrorists killed 18 US Rangers who were part of a contingent assigned to

arrest

a local warlord.

To cut the story short, the US ran and Americans supported the decision,

but

Americans want Philippines to sacrifice the life of a Filipino for an

illegal

imperial war based on a lie (WMD). Go figure.

Where is the end to US hypocrisy?

User: "AK"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 03:04:18 AM

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:26:42 GMT, "Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com> wrote:

No, for you the life of an American is worth more than starving Africans or
Lebanese civil war.
Guess what? A life of a Filipino is worth more than American imperial war for
oil.
.

User: "Clark Pope"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 05:42:37 AM

"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:o6tuf05u5fj2mum6egjggvknm9bojp8o7g@4ax.com...

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:26:42 GMT, "Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com>

wrote:

Exactly! We've been appeasing, retreating, and turning the other cheek

with

these jerk offs for decades. What did it get us: 9/11! That's how we know
very well that cowardly acts like the Filipinos and Spaniards will not

work.

No, for you the life of an American is worth more than starving Africans

Lebanese civil war.

Guess what? A life of a Filipino is worth more than American imperial war

for

oil.

I'm not the one arguing that the liberation of 50 million people is not
worth a "single American life". Plenty of others on this newsgroup and
Micheal Moore are.
Again with the oil. Why is it we're spending $450 billion a year on our
military in order to BUY the $8 billion a year that Iraq produces in oil? We
must be the dumbest crooks in history.
By the way, noticed a surge in hostage taking in Iraq? I wonder where they
got the idea that might be an effective tactic. Is one Filipino worth six
eqyptians and kenyans?:
Meanwhile Thursday, Indian officials in Baghdad were working with Egypt and
Kenya to free six of their nationals whose kidnapping was announced
Wednesday, an Indian official said from New Delhi on condition of anonymity.
The group that captured the six said it would behead a captive every 72
hours beginning Saturday night if their countries do not announce their
intentions to withdraw troops and citizens from Iraq and warned that every
Kuwaiti company dealing with Americans "will be dealt with as an American."
.

User: "murray"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 06:18:19 AM

"Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:xSMLc.7413$iK.996@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...

"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
news:o6tuf05u5fj2mum6egjggvknm9bojp8o7g@4ax.com...

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:26:42 GMT, "Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com>

wrote:

Exactly! We've been appeasing, retreating, and turning the other cheek

with

these jerk offs for decades. What did it get us: 9/11! That's how we

know

very well that cowardly acts like the Filipinos and Spaniards will not

work.

No, for you the life of an American is worth more than starving Africans

Lebanese civil war.

Guess what? A life of a Filipino is worth more than American imperial

war

for

oil.

must be the dumbest crooks in history.

i think if you look at the history of the US in the middle east, in
particular the Saudis, you might get an insight into this issue.
and please, let's not pretend that the term "protecting American interests"
(described as a reason for the invasion by George Bush) does not mean
establishing cheap and reliable supplies of oil.
it's called "continuity of supply".

By the way, noticed a surge in hostage taking in Iraq? I wonder where they
got the idea that might be an effective tactic. Is one Filipino worth six
eqyptians and kenyans?:

hey, just as a sidebar here, was kidnapping and beheading as rife as it is
now in iraq *before* bush's invasion?
and really, any ning-nong could tell you that hostage-taking is a *very*
effective tactic.
i guess that's why it's a favourite terrorist tactic.

Meanwhile Thursday, Indian officials in Baghdad were working with Egypt

and

Kenya to free six of their nationals whose kidnapping was announced
Wednesday, an Indian official said from New Delhi on condition of

anonymity.

The group that captured the six said it would behead a captive every 72
hours beginning Saturday night if their countries do not announce their
intentions to withdraw troops and citizens from Iraq and warned that every
Kuwaiti company dealing with Americans "will be dealt with as an

American."
this is a totally attributable to and brought about by bush's invasion.
point being Bush and co's ham-fisted incursion into Iraq was muddle-headed
and a complete waste of life, time and resources.
Saddam isn't/wasn't the threat.
the threat is still out there, only now it's grown bigger and that IS thanks
to bush.
way to go, George.
.

User: "Clark Pope"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 07:35:05 AM

"murray" <murray@wiggles.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:26:42 GMT, "Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com>

wrote:

Exactly! We've been appeasing, retreating, and turning the other

cheek

with

these jerk offs for decades. What did it get us: 9/11! That's how we

know

very well that cowardly acts like the Filipinos and Spaniards will

not

work.

No, for you the life of an American is worth more than starving

Africans

Lebanese civil war.

Guess what? A life of a Filipino is worth more than American imperial

war

for

oil.

oil?

must be the dumbest crooks in history.

i think if you look at the history of the US in the middle east, in
particular the Saudis, you might get an insight into this issue.

and please, let's not pretend that the term "protecting American

interests"

(described as a reason for the invasion by George Bush) does not mean
establishing cheap and reliable supplies of oil.

it's called "continuity of supply".

By the way, noticed a surge in hostage taking in Iraq? I wonder where

they

got the idea that might be an effective tactic. Is one Filipino worth

six

eqyptians and kenyans?:

hey, just as a sidebar here, was kidnapping and beheading as rife as it is
now in iraq *before* bush's invasion?

According to the mass graves it was. And its probably mostly the same people
doing it.

and really, any ning-nong could tell you that hostage-taking is a *very*
effective tactic.

i guess that's why it's a favourite terrorist tactic.

Meanwhile Thursday, Indian officials in Baghdad were working with Egypt

and

Kenya to free six of their nationals whose kidnapping was announced
Wednesday, an Indian official said from New Delhi on condition of

anonymity.

every

Kuwaiti company dealing with Americans "will be dealt with as an

American."

this is a totally attributable to and brought about by bush's invasion.

point being Bush and co's ham-fisted incursion into Iraq was muddle-headed
and a complete waste of life, time and resources.

Saddam isn't/wasn't the threat.

the threat is still out there, only now it's grown bigger and that IS

thanks

to bush.

way to go, George.

Right, because there was no terrorism before the Iraq war?
.

User: "AK"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 07:50:31 AM

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:42:37 GMT, "Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com> wrote:

I'm not the one arguing that the liberation of 50 million people is not
worth a "single American life". Plenty of others on this newsgroup and
Micheal Moore are.

Invading a foreign country based on a lie (WMD) and installing a puppet regime
is not "liberation." All invaders claim to be liberators. Even Nazis claimed to
have "liberated" the part of Europe they occupied. Some idiots in Poland and
France greeted Nazis. When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, some idiots in
Lebanon were showering them with flowers. This happens in all wars. All
occupiers and invaders claim they are "liberators." How many invaders do you
know who didn't claim the title "liberators"?

Again with the oil. Why is it we're spending $450 billion a year on our
military in order to BUY the $8 billion a year that Iraq produces in oil? We
must be the dumbest crooks in history.

The continuous supply of oil for the next 20 years is worth more. The US exerts
indirect influence on other emerging powers like India and China if the oil
supply is under US friendly (i.e. puppet) regimes.
You really believe Americans give a ***** about how Sadam was treating Iraqis?
Give me a break! Read these newsgroups. They don't give a *****. They would
rather nuke'm and flatten Falluja. They would if political price was not that
high. They didn't care when Sadam gassed Kurds in 1988. They kept arming him.
Stop this ***** about "liberation." Even the official justification for the
war was a selfish one, US safety , i.e. WMD (which turned out to be a lie).

By the way, noticed a surge in hostage taking in Iraq? I wonder where they
got the idea that might be an effective tactic. Is one Filipino worth six
eqyptians and kenyans?:

Hostage taking in Iraq was it's peak when Americans were massacring civilians in
Falluja. Remember? Why not blame the US for creating the problem by invading a
foreign country instead of blaming the Philippines?
Philippines was bribed (i.e. "aid") to send troops to Iraq anyway. They had
nothing else invested in this American imperial war.
.

User: "Clark Pope"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 09:06:16 AM

"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:42:37 GMT, "Clark Pope" <cepope@mindspring.com>

wrote:

I'm not the one arguing that the liberation of 50 million people is not
worth a "single American life". Plenty of others on this newsgroup and
Micheal Moore are.

Invading a foreign country based on a lie (WMD) and installing a puppet

regime

is not "liberation." All invaders claim to be liberators. Even Nazis

claimed to

have "liberated" the part of Europe they occupied. Some idiots in Poland

and

France greeted Nazis. When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, some idiots in
Lebanon were showering them with flowers. This happens in all wars. All
occupiers and invaders claim they are "liberators." How many invaders do

you

know who didn't claim the title "liberators"?

So we never helped liberate Europe in WWII? We were just invading Kuwait in
GWI?
It's clear there is no Iraqi government that you'll ever say isn't a puppet
regime.
It's also clear that even if we found nuclear weapons tomorrow, you would
say they were planted.

Again with the oil. Why is it we're spending $450 billion a year on our
military in order to BUY the $8 billion a year that Iraq produces in oil?

must be the dumbest crooks in history.

The continuous supply of oil for the next 20 years is worth more. The US

exerts

indirect influence on other emerging powers like India and China if the

oil

supply is under US friendly (i.e. puppet) regimes.

So if this is our evil plan why didn't we "steal" the oil in the first gulf
war? Second, we have no influence on oil supply other than our money. OPEC
gouges every spring and we're powerless.

You really believe Americans give a ***** about how Sadam was treating

Iraqis?

Give me a break! Read these newsgroups. They don't give a *****. They would
rather nuke'm and flatten Falluja. They would if political price was not

that

high. They didn't care when Sadam gassed Kurds in 1988. They kept arming

him.

Stop this ***** about "liberation." Even the official justification for

the

war was a selfish one, US safety , i.e. WMD (which turned out to be a

lie).

You mean like Joe Wilson's lies or Sandy Berger's? Seems to me the
opposition has lied a lot more than the administration, unless you believe
that the Bush, Clinton, Blair, the UN, and Saddam were all in on some huge
conspiracy.
So it was wrong to have normal relations with Saddam in the 80s? It was
wrong to have sanctions on Saddam in the 90s? AND it was wrong to go to war?
If YOU "cared when Saddam gassed Kurds in 1988" then you should be a strong
war supporter.

By the way, noticed a surge in hostage taking in Iraq? I wonder where

they

got the idea that might be an effective tactic. Is one Filipino worth six
eqyptians and kenyans?:

Hostage taking in Iraq was it's peak when Americans were massacring

civilians in

Falluja. Remember? Why not blame the US for creating the problem by

invading a

foreign country instead of blaming the Philippines?

Philippines was bribed (i.e. "aid") to send troops to Iraq anyway. They

had

nothing else invested in this American imperial war.

Was everyone bribed in GWI? Yes, its unfortunate that the world knows that
the U.S. will do what's necessary for security and they use politics to
extort whatever they can from us. We held Soviet expansion at bay for 50
years, with little help from the rest of the world. I guess we'll have to do
the same for the terror war.
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: Philippine and US	22 Jul 2004 12:49:33 PM

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"AK" <someoneNasty@hotmails.com> wrote in message

So we never helped liberate Europe in WWII? We were just invading Kuwait in
GWI?

To hin, the ***** nope. He just wants America to be blown up by...
well in his own words...
"Americunts? Who told you I am Muslim? You are not going to do *****
anyway, *****. The final solution still makes sense to me: 10 to 20
briefcase nukes. You are not going to do ***** after that." -AK
I say he is a terrorist.

Yep. meanwhile AK is trying to contact al' Qaeda to get the dirty
bombs into the US.
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