Herald Sun
Fear US losing its grip
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11608346%255E663,00.html
"According to those in Iraq and those who have recently returned, the
country is so unstable the US does not even control the road from
Baghdad to the airport." - Senator John McCain, 07dec04
If they failed to control the short road of Baghdad airport, will they
be able to control cities?!
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| User: "Jay" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
14 Dec 2004 09:13:32 AM |
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"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102968404.441087.233920@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Herald Sun
Fear US losing its grip
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11608346%255E663,00.html
"According to those in Iraq and those who have recently returned, the
country is so unstable the US does not even control the road from
Baghdad to the airport." - Senator John McCain, 07dec04
If they failed to control the short road of Baghdad airport, will they
be able to control cities?!
Don't worry, Mr. Cheney it will take weeks rather than months.
We're being greeted as liberators.
Bush has made us safe from Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.
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| User: "JBgarbuz" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
13 Dec 2004 07:40:57 PM |
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Daylight wrote:
Herald Sun
Fear US losing its grip
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11608346%
255E663,00.html
"According to those in Iraq and those who have recently returned, the
country is so unstable the US does not even control the road from
Baghdad to the airport." - Senator John McCain, 07dec04
If they failed to control the short road of Baghdad airport, will they
be able to control cities?!<
Did I not say upteen times that you cannot control a zoo?
When you release animals from their cages in a zoo, you can't
be surprised when they attack you anyway. I said a zillion times
here when the war was still in progress 19 months ago, that the US army
should only occupy the oil fields and let the Arabs in the towns and cities
kill each other, as was the case in BEirut for nearly two decades,
until they run out of blood and end the feuds on their own. You
cannot control these wild animals by treating them like people.
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| User: "Dharmananda" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
13 Dec 2004 08:51:04 PM |
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<posted & mailed>
JBgarbuz wrote:
Daylight wrote:
Herald Sun
Fear US losing its grip
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11608346%
255E663,00.html
"According to those in Iraq and those who have recently returned, the
country is so unstable the US does not even control the road from
Baghdad to the airport." - Senator John McCain, 07dec04
If they failed to control the short road of Baghdad airport, will they
be able to control cities?!<
Did I not say upteen times that you cannot control a zoo?
When you release animals from their cages in a zoo, you can't
be surprised when they attack you anyway. I said a zillion times
here when the war was still in progress 19 months ago, that the US army
should only occupy the oil fields and let the Arabs in the towns and
cities kill each other, as was the case in BEirut for nearly two decades,
until they run out of blood and end the feuds on their own. You
cannot control these wild animals by treating them like people.
Wrong. They are human beings. You are a bigot. And we are losing the war
in Iraq
--
Triratanam sharanam gaccami
Dharmananda
http://mysite.verizon.net/res6zeam/american-buddhist/news.html
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| User: "Don W. McCollough" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
15 Dec 2004 04:47:07 PM |
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"JBgarbuz" <jgarbuz@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1102988458.d309e0cef336d0cb9925ac118a9c1315@teranews...
Daylight wrote:
Herald Sun
Fear US losing its grip
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11608346%
255E663,00.html
"According to those in Iraq and those who have recently returned, the
country is so unstable the US does not even control the road from
Baghdad to the airport." - Senator John McCain, 07dec04
If they failed to control the short road of Baghdad airport, will they
be able to control cities?!<
Did I not say upteen times that you cannot control a zoo?
When you release animals from their cages in a zoo, you can't
be surprised when they attack you anyway. I said a zillion times
here when the war was still in progress 19 months ago, that the US army
should only occupy the oil fields
Bigoted Criminal eh?
What other character flaws do you have?
You seem to enjoy telling us...
and let the Arabs in the towns and cities
kill each other, as was the case in BEirut for nearly two decades,
until they run out of blood and end the feuds on their own. You
cannot control these wild animals by treating them like people.
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
14 Dec 2004 05:17:49 AM |
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BTY
WH
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| User: "Daylight" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
15 Dec 2004 05:09:14 PM |
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JBgarbuz wrote:
Did I not say upteen times that you cannot control a zoo?
I haven't seen or heard of a zoo that cannot be controlled!
Even jungles are controlled in these days.
And the more the human being become closer to the animal, the more he
can be controlled.
Basically, the animal thinks only about his stomach. If you fill it up,
the animal will be under control.
The stomach equation doesn't apply to human beings!
I said a zillion times
here when the war was still in progress 19 months ago, that the US
army
should only occupy the oil fields
Even the oil is burning in Iraq. The US army can occupy and secure the
oil fields, at a high cost of course, but how can they secure the
pipelines that run hundreds of miles?
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| User: "gaffo" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
15 Dec 2004 08:46:16 PM |
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JBgarbuz wrote:
Daylight wrote:
Herald Sun
Fear US losing its grip
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11608346%
255E663,00.html
"According to those in Iraq and those who have recently returned, the
country is so unstable the US does not even control the road from
Baghdad to the airport." - Senator John McCain, 07dec04
If they failed to control the short road of Baghdad airport, will they
be able to control cities?!<
Did I not say upteen times that you cannot control a zoo?
When you release animals from their cages in a zoo, you can't
be surprised when they attack you anyway. I said a zillion times
here when the war was still in progress 19 months ago, that the US army
should only occupy the oil fields
we will ......patients. that is why we are there!
and let the Arabs in the towns and cities
kill each other, as was the case in BEirut for nearly two decades,
until they run out of blood and end the feuds on their own.
fine by me......................of course US being there illegally means
we should leave NOW - regardless of what the Arabs do to each other.
You
cannot control these wild animals by treating them like people.
Agreed - I loved reading about them "few and proud" today. thanks ACLU!!
- semper fi/Zig Heil!
--
The courts have unanimously (and erroneously) refused to let defense
attorneys argue for nullification, typically by insisting that the jury
has no power to consider what the law should be, and that juries have no
lawful task but to decide whether the defendant broke the law. Yet, in a
fit of sheer inconsistency, the same federal courts of appeals are also
unanimous that it is permissible for prosecutors to urge juries to act
as the "conscience of the community" and use their verdict to "send a
message" about whether society should be willing to tolerate the
defendant's alleged conduct. James J. Duane, "What Message Are We
Sending to Criminal Jurors When We Ask Them to 'Send a Message' With
Their Verdict?," 22 Am. J. Crim. Law 565, 576-79 (1995).
The Sixth Amendment creates a right for the defendant to insist on a
jury to act as a community conscience and protect him from government
oppression, and yet only the State is allowed, when it chooses, to ask
the jury to consider matters of morality and conscience. Id. at 590-602.
Thus have we witnessed a complete perversion of the constitutional
priorities and structure.
One might fairly summarize the case law this way: "You may hope that the
jury will refuse to apply a harsh, unfair, or inequitable law, but you
may not urge them to do so." Steven Lubet, Modern Trial Advocacy 436 (1993)
If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power
of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as
given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence...If the jury feels that
the law under which the defendant is accused is unjust, or that exigent
circumstances justified the actions of the accused, or for any reason
which appeals to their logic or passion, the jury has the power to
acquit, and the courts must abide by that decision.
4th Circuit Court of Appeals, United States v. Moylan, 1969
[The jury has an] unreviewable and irreversible power...to acquit in
disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...The
pages of history shine on instances of the jury's exercise of its
prerogative to disregard uncontradicted evidence and instructions of the
judge; for example, acquittals under the fugitive slave law.
D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, Unites States v. Dougherty, 1972
It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict
according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience,
though in direct opposition to the directionof the court.
John Adams, 1771
......it is usual for the jurors to decide the fact, and to refer the law
arising on it to the decision of the judges. But this division of the
subject lies with their discretion only. And if the question relate to
any point of public liberty, or if it be one of those in which the
judges may be suspected of bias, the jury undertake to decide both law
and fact.
Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on Virginia," 1782
It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the
other hand,presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still
both objects are within your power of decision.....you have a right to
take it upon yourselves to judge of both,and to determine the law as
well as the fact in controversy.
Chief Justice John Jay, Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794
Jurors should acquit, even against the judge's instruction...if
exercising their judgement with discretion and honesty they have a clear
conviction that the charge of the court is wrong.
Alexander Hamilton, 1804
The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both the law
and the facts.
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Horning v. District of Columbia, 1920
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
14 Dec 2004 10:41:10 AM |
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You must've been abused as a child. It is you that needs to be in a
zoo, at least your IQ would be closer to your roommates.
-cos
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| User: "WH" |
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| Title: Re: US does not even control Baghdad Airport road! |
16 Dec 2004 02:13:27 AM |
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BTY again...and for the thick yanks BTY means Big Thick Yank...takes
into account most of you anyway!
WH
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