GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
U.S. faces threat of nationwide Shiite uprising
Underestimated extent to which Saddam kept Iraq together by force
April 23, 2004
Moqtada al-Sadr represents a formidable problem for the military in Iraq, the
U.S. intelligence community has acknowledged, according to Geostrategy-Direct,
the global intelligence news service.
Al-Sadr might be the bane among Shiite clerics. But over the last year he has
managed to completely intimidate even the most prominent of clerics, such as
Ayatollah Ali Sistani.
Al-Sadr has also managed to win supporters and cooperation within the Sunni
community. His poster has been pasted in mosques even in hardcore Fallujah.
U.S. intelligence analysts said al-Sadr has managed to inspire just about
everybody who opposes the U.S. in Iraq.
More importantly, al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army have exploited a new class of
disenfranchised Shiites who are unemployed and have nothing to lose. He has won
thousands of Shiites – and in some cases Sunnis – with tens of millions of
dollars of Iranian money.
The intelligence analysts say the U.S. military underestimated several factors:
1. The extent to which Saddam Hussein kept Iraq together by pure intimidation.
2. The absence of a community infrastructure in Iraq.
3. The vulnerability of a socially- and politically-decimated Iraq to
neighboring Iran.
Al-Sadr brings the United States to a crossroad. Over the next few weeks, the
U.S. will either push hard or bring Sunni and Shiite insurgents to the wall and
reign by fear until an authoritarian Iraq can rule itself.
Or, the Iraqi Governing Council and the security forces will disintegrate, with
soldiers and police doing little more than showing up to work and collecting
salaries – but failing to impose order.
The analysts warn that the United States cannot rely on either the Sunni or
Shiite clergy. Indeed, they have never been in a position of influence on a
national level.
In many towns and cities, Shiite clerics took over municipal services but were
quickly confronted by rivals who stressed their opposition to the United
States.
Their analysts' assessment: a Shiite insurgency could go nationwide over the
next few months.
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23 Apr 2004 01:17:36 PM |
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The big problem is that America & her loyal allies
are going much too far out of our way to spare the
lives and homes of innocent bystanders. I remember
a time not too long ago when everyone thought that
WWIII would be fought with heavy nuclear and biolo-
gical weapons--not with pansy-assed "pea-shooters"
like they're using so far. I'd say 5000-lb.+ bombs
ought to be the very SMALLEST thing we're throwing
at these barbaric scumbags. No need to hurt 'em or
torture 'em. Put them quickly out of their misery,
and let's be done with it already. Nuke Damascus &
Tehran. Neutron bombs are "humanitarian" enough to
get the job done. Like they say, "on the plains of
hesitation bleach the bones of countless billions".
Our good President GW Bush oughta learn a thing or
two from our late great Presidents Harry S. Truman
& John F. Kennedy. We need to stop phucking around
with these quasi-islamic murderers and send em all
to Hades where they belong. Then we'll go in & mop
up after the dust clears. America's *very* good at
mopping up. Please drop the BIG ONE, Mr. President.
Then watch and see how fast these Islamic infidels
scramble to round-up their Anti-American militants
and execute every last one of them faster than you
can say Hiroshima & Nagasaki baby! Push the button.
^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^
Very Truly Yours,
Daniel Joseph Min
"The true art of diplomacy is to prolong
every crisis."--author unknown
On 23 Apr 2004, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
U.S. faces threat of nationwide Shiite uprising
Underestimated extent to which Saddam kept Iraq together by force
April 23, 2004
Moqtada al-Sadr represents a formidable problem for the military in Iraq, the
U.S. intelligence community has acknowledged, according to Geostrategy-Direct,
the global intelligence news service.
Al-Sadr might be the bane among Shiite clerics. But over the last year he has
managed to completely intimidate even the most prominent of clerics, such as
Ayatollah Ali Sistani.
Al-Sadr has also managed to win supporters and cooperation within the Sunni
community. His poster has been pasted in mosques even in hardcore Fallujah.
U.S. intelligence analysts said al-Sadr has managed to inspire just about
everybody who opposes the U.S. in Iraq.
More importantly, al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army have exploited a new class of
disenfranchised Shiites who are unemployed and have nothing to lose. He has won
thousands of Shiites - and in some cases Sunnis - with tens of millions of
dollars of Iranian money.
The intelligence analysts say the U.S. military underestimated several factors:
1. The extent to which Saddam Hussein kept Iraq together by pure intimidation.
2. The absence of a community infrastructure in Iraq.
3. The vulnerability of a socially- and politically-decimated Iraq to
neighboring Iran.
Al-Sadr brings the United States to a crossroad. Over the next few weeks, the
U.S. will either push hard or bring Sunni and Shiite insurgents to the wall and
reign by fear until an authoritarian Iraq can rule itself.
Or, the Iraqi Governing Council and the security forces will disintegrate, with
soldiers and police doing little more than showing up to work and collecting
salaries - but failing to impose order.
The analysts warn that the United States cannot rely on either the Sunni or
Shiite clergy. Indeed, they have never been in a position of influence on a
national level.
In many towns and cities, Shiite clerics took over municipal services but were
quickly confronted by rivals who stressed their opposition to the United
States.
Their analysts' assessment: a Shiite insurgency could go nationwide over the
next few months.
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23 Apr 2004 10:40:23 PM |
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Hummmmm.......that's bound to improve the feelings of the rest of the world
to America. If they're burning an American flag blow them up. If their
waving an American flag, blow them up anyway.
You would have made a great Nazi.
In the words of that revered yellow American....."dooh"
Aussie Infidel
"Wyatt Earp" <frontier.lawman@dodge.city.kansas> wrote in message
news:YU62U86R38100.8455555556@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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The big problem is that America & her loyal allies
are going much too far out of our way to spare the
lives and homes of innocent bystanders. I remember
a time not too long ago when everyone thought that
WWIII would be fought with heavy nuclear and biolo-
gical weapons--not with pansy-assed "pea-shooters"
like they're using so far. I'd say 5000-lb.+ bombs
ought to be the very SMALLEST thing we're throwing
at these barbaric scumbags. No need to hurt 'em or
torture 'em. Put them quickly out of their misery,
and let's be done with it already. Nuke Damascus &
Tehran. Neutron bombs are "humanitarian" enough to
get the job done. Like they say, "on the plains of
hesitation bleach the bones of countless billions".
Our good President GW Bush oughta learn a thing or
two from our late great Presidents Harry S. Truman
& John F. Kennedy. We need to stop phucking around
with these quasi-islamic murderers and send em all
to Hades where they belong. Then we'll go in & mop
up after the dust clears. America's *very* good at
mopping up. Please drop the BIG ONE, Mr. President.
Then watch and see how fast these Islamic infidels
scramble to round-up their Anti-American militants
and execute every last one of them faster than you
can say Hiroshima & Nagasaki baby! Push the button.
^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^
Very Truly Yours,
Daniel Joseph Min
"The true art of diplomacy is to prolong
every crisis."--author unknown
On 23 Apr 2004, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
U.S. faces threat of nationwide Shiite uprising
Underestimated extent to which Saddam kept Iraq together by force
April 23, 2004
Moqtada al-Sadr represents a formidable problem for the military in Iraq,
the
U.S. intelligence community has acknowledged, according to
Geostrategy-Direct,
the global intelligence news service.
Al-Sadr might be the bane among Shiite clerics. But over the last year he
has
managed to completely intimidate even the most prominent of clerics, such
as
Ayatollah Ali Sistani.
Al-Sadr has also managed to win supporters and cooperation within the
Sunni
community. His poster has been pasted in mosques even in hardcore
Fallujah.
U.S. intelligence analysts said al-Sadr has managed to inspire just about
everybody who opposes the U.S. in Iraq.
More importantly, al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army have exploited a new class
of
disenfranchised Shiites who are unemployed and have nothing to lose. He
has won
thousands of Shiites - and in some cases Sunnis - with tens of millions
of
dollars of Iranian money.
The intelligence analysts say the U.S. military underestimated several
factors:
1. The extent to which Saddam Hussein kept Iraq together by pure
intimidation.
2. The absence of a community infrastructure in Iraq.
3. The vulnerability of a socially- and politically-decimated Iraq to
neighboring Iran.
Al-Sadr brings the United States to a crossroad. Over the next few weeks,
the
U.S. will either push hard or bring Sunni and Shiite insurgents to the
wall and
reign by fear until an authoritarian Iraq can rule itself.
Or, the Iraqi Governing Council and the security forces will
disintegrate, with
soldiers and police doing little more than showing up to work and
collecting
salaries - but failing to impose order.
The analysts warn that the United States cannot rely on either the Sunni
or
Shiite clergy. Indeed, they have never been in a position of influence on
a
national level.
In many towns and cities, Shiite clerics took over municipal services but
were
quickly confronted by rivals who stressed their opposition to the United
States.
Their analysts' assessment: a Shiite insurgency could go nationwide over
the
next few months.
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24 Apr 2004 10:42:17 AM |
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I have said basically the same thing for some time now. If we are going to
be hated for the fact of being what we are in America anyways no matter how
humanitarian we try to be, then drop the neutron anyways! But we give the
women and children one opportunity to stop shielding the ones that are
hiding behind them in these cities. Then all those that chose to stay most
likely are those families that hate us and are plotting against us too. Drop
the heavy ones, spare our lads in uniform and most importantly erase a
couple of generations of would be terrorist!
Sorry but it's pure & simple. Let's end this mockery once and for all. To
think it has gone on this far fighting a bunch of camel jockeys with little
technology and still costing us so much!
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24 Apr 2004 02:00:30 PM |
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"granitegriz" <granitegriz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I have said basically the same thing for some time now. If we are going to
be hated for the fact of being what we are in America anyways no matter
how
humanitarian we try to be, then drop the neutron anyways! But we give the
women and children one opportunity to stop shielding the ones that are
hiding behind them in these cities. Then all those that chose to stay most
likely are those families that hate us and are plotting against us too.
Drop
the heavy ones, spare our lads in uniform and most importantly erase a
couple of generations of would be terrorist!
Sorry but it's pure & simple. Let's end this mockery once and for all. To
think it has gone on this far fighting a bunch of camel jockeys with
little
technology and still costing us so much!
Don't tell me you are still swallowing that "They hate us for no other
reason than who we are" line?
I'll let you in on a little secret. It isn't who or what you are, but what
you do.
Let's examine your "humanitarian" record in Iraq and why they should all be
wanting to have your children.
1/ Iraq was the bad guy in the first Gulf war, but was it necessary to
slaughter the retreating troops? Was it necessary to bury Iraqi soldiers
alive in their trenches? Even Saddam killed people before burying them in
mass graves. All those soldiers who didn't return had families.
2/ At the end of that war, Bush Sr told the Iraqi people America would
support them if they rose up and overthrew Hussein, then stood back and
watched them butchered and gassed.....possibly with left over gas the USA
supplied Hussein when he was fighting a war against Iran for it. (Oops,
don't mention the gas or the Rumsfeldt handshake.)
3/ The US prevented the UN from relaxing the sanctions imposed after the
first gulf war, even though it was obvious that they were not hurting Saddam
at all, but making the population suffer instead. They are suppose to
forget 12 years of misery?
4/ While congratulating themselves on a brilliant war strategy, the army in
it's rush to Baghdad, left behind enough active Iraqi army that the supply
lines for their own troops were not secure, let alone safe enough for the
supply of food and water for the people they "liberated". Weren't the
Iraqis ***** that all the planning effort had gone into the invasion
and very little into the occupation.
5/ We still don't know how many Iraqi civilians were killed as "collateral
damage". The army either doesn't want to know or doesn't care. Only
American casualties are recorded. In the rare instances where civilian
casualties are released, they are always a fraction of what the hospitals
say.
6/ In removing the Bathist thugs from power, the floodgate has been opened
for all the criminals and factions to come out of the woodwork. It must
have been comforting to hear the US commander say that his job was the
invasion and that the security of the people was not his problem. As one
Iraqi said, "At least under Saddam we knew who to be afraid of."
7/ It now seems likely that what freedoms the people did have under Saddam
will be lost to a democratically elected Islamic fundamentalist led
government. A female Iraqi doctor thought it was good that the internet was
finally available in Iraq, but she was frustrated that she was prevented
from entering the Internet cafe because she was not wearing the hejab. One
step forward, two steps back.
Now, as the great example of a humanitarian you are, your solution to
dealing with these ungrateful people is to drop a nuke on them and wipe them
off the face of the planet. Nothing like covering your mistakes. With an
attitude like that you have the gall to expect people to love you?
The whole sorry mess was a mistake from the beginning. It was conceived by
a naive fool who doesn't know what to say unless someone has written the
words for him, based on a false premise and poorly planned and executed.
Far from fighting terrorism it has increased it and Osama is still out there
planning his next move. Good work eh? Be proud.
Aussie Infidel
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24 Apr 2004 07:48:05 PM |
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"Aussie Infidel" <spamsux@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:iPyic.8041$qq6.1886@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
In the interest of fair play I snipped both sides.>>>>
You two deserve each other.
Reminds me of particle and anti particle circling each other.
One says Nuke em till they glow, shoot them in the dark.
The other says I'm sorry you don't like me, whatever you want you can have.
Somewhere in the middle lies the correct number of dead terrorists.
Gawd, me a centrist, I think I'm gonna hurl.
Jim E
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24 Apr 2004 03:08:03 PM |
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Wrong answer, scumbag! No patriotic American expects any
second-class foreigner like you to love our great nation.
So you can go phuck yourself, for all we give a chit bub.
You're just powerless to stop America's manifest destiny,
and that is what pisses insignificant worms like you off.
America rules the world. Your opinion is plain worthless.
America Rules!
Daniel Joseph Min
PS Be sure to bookmark and visit these webpages today:
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly
http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes
*Vietnam Veterans Against Kommie Kerry:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
*Kommie Kerry's Growing Popularity Among Terrorists:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=355d108a.0403141555.6b7b8ed6@posting.google.com
*News Commentary on Kommie Kerry's "Lily-White *****"!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=N3J9NXKO38058.1687037037@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Commentary on Mel Gibson's "Passion":
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OEDGX97538042.3620486111@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Last Word on Homosexual Marriage & Armageddon:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=T3FAE1MR38050.2393518519@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Commentary on Homosexual Marriage:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BKBRT6L738043.9300115741@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Newsgroup-Archived Home Page On The World Wide Web:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5YTK57VH37948.6355092593@Gilgamesh-frog.org
"Aussie Infidel" snivelled like a spider monkey on crack:
Now, as the great example of a humanitarian you are, your solution to
dealing with these ungrateful people is to drop a nuke on them and wipe them
off the face of the planet. Nothing like covering your mistakes. With an
attitude like that you have the gall to expect people to love you?
"In politics, nothing happens by accident.
If it happens, it was planned that way."
--Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945)
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24 Apr 2004 07:52:00 PM |
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"America Rules!" <america.rules@the.world> wrote in message
news:JTPC7FKW38101.9210185185@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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America Rules!
Daniel Joseph Min
Your posts are so long I never got to the sig.
I just assumed you were another nut job.
This short post reveals that you are THE nut job
please retreat to your metaphysical haunts and leave these semi normal folks
alone.
Jim E
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| User: "Tarot IS Astrology" |
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24 Apr 2004 08:34:06 PM |
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*plonk*
"Jim E" squawked:
<snipped useless troll-drivel>
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25 Apr 2004 02:45:56 AM |
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"Tarot IS Astrology" <tarot.is.astrology@min.experts.r.us> wrote in message
news:BVVO18PV38102.1486805556@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
*plonk*
"Jim E" squawked:
<snipped useless troll-drivel>
Cant face the truth eh?
A.I.
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| User: "Zak" |
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25 Apr 2004 05:38:11 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:45:56 GMT, "Aussie Infidel"
<spamsux@bigpond.com> wrote:
"Tarot IS Astrology" <tarot.is.astrology@min.experts.r.us> wrote in message
news:BVVO18PV38102.1486805556@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
*plonk*
"Jim E" squawked:
<snipped useless troll-drivel>
Cant face the truth eh?
A.I.
Most Americans can't face the truth, that is why they are hated so
much....blind to the real world.
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25 Apr 2004 02:48:31 AM |
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"Jim E" <fatboy-plonk-92hd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c6f23d$b2sch$1@ID-141124.news.uni-berlin.de...
"America Rules!" <america.rules@the.world> wrote in message
news:JTPC7FKW38101.9210185185@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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America Rules!
Daniel Joseph Min
Your posts are so long I never got to the sig.
I just assumed you were another nut job.
This short post reveals that you are THE nut job
please retreat to your metaphysical haunts and leave these semi normal
folks
alone.
Jim E
Like Bush you don't like to read and have to have everything summarized for
you. OK I'll oblige......you're no better than a Nazi.
A.I.
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25 Apr 2004 02:52:48 AM |
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"America Rules!" <america.rules@the.world> wrote in message
news:JTPC7FKW38101.9210185185@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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Wrong answer, scumbag! No patriotic American expects any
second-class foreigner like you to love our great nation.
So you can go phuck yourself, for all we give a chit bub.
You're just powerless to stop America's manifest destiny,
and that is what pisses insignificant worms like you off.
America rules the world. Your opinion is plain worthless.
America Rules!
Daniel Joseph Min
PS Be sure to bookmark and visit these webpages today:
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly
http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes
*Vietnam Veterans Against Kommie Kerry:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
*Kommie Kerry's Growing Popularity Among Terrorists:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=355d108a.0403141555.6b7b8ed6@posting.google.com
*News Commentary on Kommie Kerry's "Lily-White *****"!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=N3J9NXKO38058.1687037037@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Commentary on Mel Gibson's "Passion":
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OEDGX97538042.3620486111@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Last Word on Homosexual Marriage & Armageddon:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=T3FAE1MR38050.2393518519@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Commentary on Homosexual Marriage:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BKBRT6L738043.9300115741@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Newsgroup-Archived Home Page On The World Wide Web:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5YTK57VH37948.6355092593@Gilgamesh-frog.org
"Aussie Infidel" snivelled like a spider monkey on crack:
Now, as the great example of a humanitarian you are, your solution to
dealing with these ungrateful people is to drop a nuke on them and wipe
them
off the face of the planet. Nothing like covering your mistakes. With
an
attitude like that you have the gall to expect people to love you?
"In politics, nothing happens by accident.
If it happens, it was planned that way."
--Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945)
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Pleeeeeeese build a fence around the USA and lock yourself inside!
Dangerous little man with tiny moustache and bad hair.
A.I.
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26 Apr 2004 06:09:59 PM |
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Aussie Infidel opined thusly on Apr 24:
Let's examine your "humanitarian" record in Iraq and why they should all be
wanting to have your children.
1/ Iraq was the bad guy in the first Gulf war, but was it necessary to
slaughter the retreating troops? Was it necessary to bury Iraqi soldiers
alive in their trenches? Even Saddam killed people before burying them in
mass graves. All those soldiers who didn't return had families.
Le'me play devil's advocate with this a bit.
So let me get this straight. We killed more Iraqis the first time around
(by far), and we ended up with a relatively subdued Iraq immediately after.
Years later, we're far more humane, taking far fewer lives while
accomplishing so much more, and yet we have a bunch of nuts raising hell?
2/ At the end of that war, Bush Sr told the Iraqi people America would
support them if they rose up and overthrew Hussein, then stood back and
watched them butchered and gassed.....possibly with left over gas the USA
supplied Hussein when he was fighting a war against Iran for it. (Oops,
don't mention the gas or the Rumsfeldt handshake.)
3/ The US prevented the UN from relaxing the sanctions imposed after the
first gulf war, even though it was obvious that they were not hurting Saddam
at all, but making the population suffer instead. They are suppose to
forget 12 years of misery?
It would certainly help if they stopped shitting themselves, destroying
convoys that are bringing redevelopment assets to needful sites.
The insurgents are not noble Iraqis. The noble Iraqis are the ones working
to rebuild the country. The insurgents consider reconstruction assets
fodder for their more radical agendae.
4/ While congratulating themselves on a brilliant war strategy, the army in
it's rush to Baghdad, left behind enough active Iraqi army that the supply
lines for their own troops were not secure, let alone safe enough for the
supply of food and water for the people they "liberated". Weren't the
Iraqis ***** that all the planning effort had gone into the invasion
and very little into the occupation.
Yes.
5/ We still don't know how many Iraqi civilians were killed as "collateral
damage". The army either doesn't want to know or doesn't care. Only
American casualties are recorded. In the rare instances where civilian
casualties are released, they are always a fraction of what the hospitals
say.
Please substantiate this with appropriate citations.
6/ In removing the Bathist thugs from power, the floodgate has been opened
for all the criminals and factions to come out of the woodwork. It must
have been comforting to hear the US commander say that his job was the
invasion and that the security of the people was not his problem. As one
Iraqi said, "At least under Saddam we knew who to be afraid of."
7/ It now seems likely that what freedoms the people did have under Saddam
will be lost to a democratically elected Islamic fundamentalist led
government. A female Iraqi doctor thought it was good that the internet was
finally available in Iraq, but she was frustrated that she was prevented
from entering the Internet cafe because she was not wearing the hejab. One
step forward, two steps back.
Which Internet cafe? It seems to me that giving fundamentalists the right
of free association -- which implies exclusion -- is a mark of freedom. An
Internet cafe is not a government institution. If the inchoate Iraqi
government wishes to enforce compliance with either (a) dress codes, or (b)
absolutely no dress codes, then that should certainly sit well with those
who want the U.S. out of Iraq, with little influence on what comes of all
this.
Now, as the great example of a humanitarian you are, your solution to
dealing with these ungrateful people is to drop a nuke on them and wipe them
off the face of the planet. Nothing like covering your mistakes. With an
attitude like that you have the gall to expect people to love you?
The whole sorry mess was a mistake from the beginning. It was conceived by
a naive fool
So what was up with the Congress -- are they a bunch of morons for not
being able to recognize a "naive fool" when they see one? They're the ones
who gave him broad powers to act, if you remember. A blank check.
Either he's not the naive fool you suppose, or there are far more naive
fools than we thought.
who doesn't know what to say unless someone has written the
words for him, based on a false premise and poorly planned and executed.
Far from fighting terrorism it has increased it
How would you know? What grounds do you have for predicating concerning the
level of violence likely to have not obtained had the Iraq action not
occurred? Isn't this rather a bold claim?
I've never understood this kind of thinking. One might as well say that
since the Revolutionary War in America vastly increased the casualties over
the status quo, that therefore the Declaration of Independence was
ill-advised. Dittos on steroids for the Civil War. In this light, Lincoln's
Emancipation Proclamation -- well understood by historians to be the
Rubicon of the war (from the standpoint of raising the stakes to the point
that surrender, for the South, would be unthinkable to them) -- was the
worst imaginable act. Why we have a monument to the man (given the
implications of your view) I'll never know.
and Osama is still out there
planning his next move. Good work eh? Be proud.
His day will come. That he's an elusive bugger hardly argues that U.S.
engagement in the world should be less ambitious. To the contrary.
--
Scott
Almost summer! http://snipurl.com/trebuchet
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25 Apr 2004 05:34:42 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:00:30 GMT, "Aussie Infidel"
<spamsux@bigpond.com> wrote:
"granitegriz" <granitegriz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:tVvic.20333$l75.11956@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
I have said basically the same thing for some time now. If we are going to
be hated for the fact of being what we are in America anyways no matter
how
humanitarian we try to be, then drop the neutron anyways! But we give the
women and children one opportunity to stop shielding the ones that are
hiding behind them in these cities. Then all those that chose to stay most
likely are those families that hate us and are plotting against us too.
Drop
the heavy ones, spare our lads in uniform and most importantly erase a
couple of generations of would be terrorist!
Sorry but it's pure & simple. Let's end this mockery once and for all. To
think it has gone on this far fighting a bunch of camel jockeys with
little
technology and still costing us so much!
Don't tell me you are still swallowing that "They hate us for no other
reason than who we are" line?
I'll let you in on a little secret. It isn't who or what you are, but what
you do.
Let's examine your "humanitarian" record in Iraq and why they should all be
wanting to have your children.
1/ Iraq was the bad guy in the first Gulf war, but was it necessary to
slaughter the retreating troops? Was it necessary to bury Iraqi soldiers
alive in their trenches? Even Saddam killed people before burying them in
mass graves. All those soldiers who didn't return had families.
2/ At the end of that war, Bush Sr told the Iraqi people America would
support them if they rose up and overthrew Hussein, then stood back and
watched them butchered and gassed.....possibly with left over gas the USA
supplied Hussein when he was fighting a war against Iran for it. (Oops,
don't mention the gas or the Rumsfeldt handshake.)
3/ The US prevented the UN from relaxing the sanctions imposed after the
first gulf war, even though it was obvious that they were not hurting Saddam
at all, but making the population suffer instead. They are suppose to
forget 12 years of misery?
4/ While congratulating themselves on a brilliant war strategy, the army in
it's rush to Baghdad, left behind enough active Iraqi army that the supply
lines for their own troops were not secure, let alone safe enough for the
supply of food and water for the people they "liberated". Weren't the
Iraqis ***** that all the planning effort had gone into the invasion
and very little into the occupation.
5/ We still don't know how many Iraqi civilians were killed as "collateral
damage". The army either doesn't want to know or doesn't care. Only
American casualties are recorded. In the rare instances where civilian
casualties are released, they are always a fraction of what the hospitals
say.
6/ In removing the Bathist thugs from power, the floodgate has been opened
for all the criminals and factions to come out of the woodwork. It must
have been comforting to hear the US commander say that his job was the
invasion and that the security of the people was not his problem. As one
Iraqi said, "At least under Saddam we knew who to be afraid of."
7/ It now seems likely that what freedoms the people did have under Saddam
will be lost to a democratically elected Islamic fundamentalist led
government. A female Iraqi doctor thought it was good that the internet was
finally available in Iraq, but she was frustrated that she was prevented
from entering the Internet cafe because she was not wearing the hejab. One
step forward, two steps back.
Now, as the great example of a humanitarian you are, your solution to
dealing with these ungrateful people is to drop a nuke on them and wipe them
off the face of the planet. Nothing like covering your mistakes. With an
attitude like that you have the gall to expect people to love you?
The whole sorry mess was a mistake from the beginning. It was conceived by
a naive fool who doesn't know what to say unless someone has written the
words for him, based on a false premise and poorly planned and executed.
Far from fighting terrorism it has increased it and Osama is still out there
planning his next move. Good work eh? Be proud.
Aussie Infidel
Great post. Just try and get the blind Americans to believe it though.
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24 Apr 2004 12:52:39 PM |
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Yes, that's the essence of the hold-up with Washington D.C.
GW Bush & Co. aren't exactly anxious to slaughter millions
of innocent people in order to eliminate some 666-thousand
guilty murderers among them. Rest assured, this discussion
has come up time and again behind closed doors. Terrorists
are counting on President GW Bush's continued restraint by
avoiding cataclysmic nuclear warfare. Even if there was no
retaliatory nuclear strike, "mutually-assured destruction",
the world will tremble at the repercussions. Russia, China,
et al, they're sure to look the other way. But the islamic
jihad wouldn't die, lest we remove every terrorist enclave
around the globe. Thanks to neutron bombs, I think that is
precisely, exactly, absolutely, what we should do. America
has problems too. Our nation's borders are porous. We need
to eliminate the threats in Mexico, Canada, & our seaports.
Biological weapons (with restricted antidotes) are another
remedy for the situation. Level 4+ oughta get the job done.
In fact, such virulently lethal weapons are an alternative.
Let's inoculate whomsoever we will, and release Armageddon.
This must come without any prior warning or any evacuation.
Every target we hit must be destroyed strictly by surprise.
Collateral damage will be immense. No matter, c'est la vie.
Whatever state-of-the-art weapons we use, by all means let
us use them today... "a weapon unused is a useless weapon".
I beg you, Mister President. Let's take these bastards out.
Very Truly Yours,
Daniel Joseph Min
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, "granitegriz" <granitegriz@earthlink.net> wrote:
I have said basically the same thing for some time now. If we are going to
be hated for the fact of being what we are in America anyways no matter how
humanitarian we try to be, then drop the neutron anyways! But we give the
women and children one opportunity to stop shielding the ones that are
hiding behind them in these cities. Then all those that chose to stay most
likely are those families that hate us and are plotting against us too. Drop
the heavy ones, spare our lads in uniform and most importantly erase a
couple of generations of would be terrorist!
Sorry but it's pure & simple. Let's end this mockery once and for all. To
think it has gone on this far fighting a bunch of camel jockeys with little
technology and still costing us so much!
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| User: "Jim E" |
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24 Apr 2004 07:42:04 PM |
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"America Rules!" <america.rules@the.world> wrote in message
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Ignorant rant tossed ::::::::
You really should do some reading on the reason for the development of, the
effects produced by so called neutron weapons.
1. They are no longer in the inventory
2. They were designed for use against armor formations.
3. They are NOT the tidy little "land lord" weapons you envision.
There is more, but I don't want you to strain anything.
As to Level 4 Biologicals.
Do find out why they are called Level 4, this may aid in your thinking.
But I doubt it.
You had best stick with weapons simple enough to be powered by
"D" cell batteries. But still, be careful
Jim E
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| User: "Charly the Bastard" |
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07 May 2004 05:18:05 PM |
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Jim E wrote:
You really should do some reading on the reason for the development of, the
effects produced by so called neutron weapons.
1. They are no longer in the inventory
2. They were designed for use against armor formations.
3. They are NOT the tidy little "land lord" weapons you envision.
There is more, but I don't want you to strain anything.
As to Level 4 Biologicals.
Do find out why they are called Level 4, this may aid in your thinking.
But I doubt it.
You had best stick with weapons simple enough to be powered by
"D" cell batteries. But still, be careful
Jim E
1) We never throw anything away. Just because the 'offishul' reports say the N
weapon has been DWATed, doesn't mean that we actually took them apart.
2) The N weapon is a mere firecracker as nukes go, but it does produce the
alpha/beta/gamma pulse and one hell of an EMP. This makes the weapon extremely
useful for a blinding attack on opforce electronics.
3) You're right, they're not neat. The neutron cascade is sort of an atomic
level flechette round. Exposure to high speed neutron flux creates tiny little
holes in the walls of the target's cells, turning the entire digestive tract
into one bleeding ulcer. The target texpires from dehydration after three to
thirty days. There is very little other than several feet of water that will
stop neutrons, so hiding in the bunker won't save you.
Level 4 Bio refers to the Level 4 containment at CDC, where the really narsty
ones are kept, the ones with no cure, no antigen, and no hope if you catch it.
Drum Bunny Batteries... they just keep going and going and going...
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| User: "America Rules!" |
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24 Apr 2004 12:52:39 PM |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Yes, that's the essence of the hold-up with Washington D.C.
GW Bush & Co. aren't exactly anxious to slaughter millions
of innocent people in order to eliminate some 666-thousand
guilty murderers among them. Rest assured, this discussion
has come up time and again behind closed doors. Terrorists
are counting on President GW Bush's continued restraint by
avoiding cataclysmic nuclear warfare. Even if there was no
retaliatory nuclear strike, "mutually-assured destruction",
the world will tremble at the repercussions. Russia, China,
et al, they're sure to look the other way. But the islamic
jihad wouldn't die, lest we remove every terrorist enclave
around the globe. Thanks to neutron bombs, I think that is
precisely, exactly, absolutely, what we should do. America
has problems too. Our nation's borders are porous. We need
to eliminate the threats in Mexico, Canada, & our seaports.
Biological weapons (with restricted antidotes) are another
remedy for the situation. Level 4+ oughta get the job done.
In fact, such virulently lethal weapons are an alternative.
Let's inoculate whomsoever we will, and release Armageddon.
This must come without any prior warning or any evacuation.
Every target we hit must be destroyed strictly by surprise.
Collateral damage will be immense. No matter, c'est la vie.
Whatever state-of-the-art weapons we use, by all means let
us use them today... "a weapon unused is a useless weapon".
I beg you, Mister President. Let's take these bastards out.
Very Truly Yours,
Daniel Joseph Min
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, "granitegriz" <granitegriz@earthlink.net> wrote:
I have said basically the same thing for some time now. If we are going to
be hated for the fact of being what we are in America anyways no matter how
humanitarian we try to be, then drop the neutron anyways! But we give the
women and children one opportunity to stop shielding the ones that are
hiding behind them in these cities. Then all those that chose to stay most
likely are those families that hate us and are plotting against us too. Drop
the heavy ones, spare our lads in uniform and most importantly erase a
couple of generations of would be terrorist!
Sorry but it's pure & simple. Let's end this mockery once and for all. To
think it has gone on this far fighting a bunch of camel jockeys with little
technology and still costing us so much!
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| User: "Zak" |
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24 Apr 2004 01:09:53 PM |
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On 24 Apr 2004 17:52:39 -0000, America Rules!
<america.rules@the.world> wrote:
Snip the *****
Hahahaha another war monger headewd for the slag heap, what a MORON.
SPLONK
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| User: "Zak" |
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24 Apr 2004 11:49:44 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:42:17 GMT, "granitegriz"
<granitegriz@earthlink.net> wrote:
I have said basically the same thing for some time now. If we are going to
be hated for the fact of being what we are in America anyways no matter how
humanitarian we try to be, then drop the neutron anyways! But we give the
women and children one opportunity to stop shielding the ones that are
hiding behind them in these cities. Then all those that chose to stay most
likely are those families that hate us and are plotting against us too. Drop
the heavy ones, spare our lads in uniform and most importantly erase a
couple of generations of would be terrorist!
Sorry but it's pure & simple. Let's end this mockery once and for all. To
think it has gone on this far fighting a bunch of camel jockeys with little
technology and still costing us so much!
Typical American pond scum response, kill em all, And you wonder why
the world hates Americans. This so called "mockery" was started by
your little lizzard president and his band of misfits from the White
house. You want it to stop? Get the ***** out of Iraq while you still
can.
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27 Apr 2004 04:00:50 AM |
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Wyatt Earp <frontier.lawman@dodge.city.kansas> wrote in
news:YU62U86R38100.8455555556@Gilgamesh-Frog.org:
U.S. faces threat of nationwide Shiite uprising
How many Shiites are there in the USA?
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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23 Apr 2004 06:02:42 PM |
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In article <20040423091419.26631.00000192@mb-m29.aol.com>, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT INTELLIGENCE BRIEF
U.S. faces threat of nationwide Shiite uprising
Underestimated extent to which Saddam kept Iraq together by force
After what happend in Yugoslavia, it's kind of difficult to believe that this
was "underestimated" accidentally.
Woods
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| User: "Ignoramus27253" |
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25 Apr 2004 11:10:19 AM |
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hm, it is already pretty nationwide. They control the shiite part of
baghdad, Kerbala, Najaf, Al Kufa, these cities are large and widely
spread.
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