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U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War........7/3/5 (NYTIMES) |
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U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War
By IAN FISHER
Published: March 7, 2005
OME, March 6 - Most Italians have never supported the war in Iraq, nor
liked having their troops there. But their misgivings found a physical
form on Sunday, in the shape of a coffin lying in state and holding the
body of an Italian intelligence officer killed in Iraq - by an American
bullet.
"There is something behind all this," Marta Belziti, 31, a distant
relative of the dead intelligence agent, Nicola Calipari, said as she
left the white marble of the Vittoriano monument in Rome, where
thousands of Italians paid their respects to Mr. Calipari's body and
his widow. "The Americans aren't telling the truth."
Mr. Calipari was killed on Friday in Baghdad while working to put to a
happy end to the kidnapping of Giuliana Sgrena, 56, an Italian
journalist whose plight has gripped Italy since she was abducted a
month ago. Soon after she was released, to Mr. Calipari and other
Italian officials, the car came under fire from American soldiers near
a security checkpoint as they drove to Baghdad International Airport to
take her home.
Mr. Calipari was killed - instantly, with a shot to the head, according
to an autopsy report - as he shielded Ms. Sgrena from the bullets. She
was wounded by shrapnel in her left shoulder.
"The driver began screaming that we were Italians," Ms. Sgrena wrote on
Sunday in the far left newspaper Il Manifesto where she works. "Nicola
Calipari threw himself on top of me to protect me, and right away - I
repeat, right away - I heard his last breath before he died on top of
me."
American officials have said the car ignored repeated warnings to stop,
an account rejected by Ms. Sgrena and Italian officials. While few
experts believe that the episode will lead to the immediate withdrawal
of Italy's 3,000 troops in Iraq, the murkiness of the details about the
shooting seem to be stoking anger here about Italy's role in the war.
Absent a more complete American explanation, pressure on Prime Minister
Silvio Berlusconi seems likely to mount.
On Sunday, Ms. Sgrena went so far as to say she believed that American
soldiers might have deliberately targeted the car, out of anger that
Italy had reportedly paid a ransom to secure her release. One Italian
minister said it was "very likely" a ransom had been paid, and Italian
newspapers reported sums up to $10 million.
"The fact that the Americans don't want negotiations to free the
hostages is known," Ms. Sgrena said in a telephone interview with Sky
TG24 television. "The fact that they do everything to prevent the
adoption of this practice to save the lives of people held hostages,
everybody knows that. So I don't see why I should rule out that I could
have been the target."
In a later interview, Reuters reported, Ms. Sgrena, who said she did
not know whether any ransom had been paid, softened her accusation
somewhat. But Italian politicians, starting with Mr. Berlusconi, are
demanding a quick and convincing explanation from Washington.
"I am waiting for the United States to clear up this painful and tragic
episode," President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi told reporters on Saturday.
American officials say that the car carrying Ms. Sgrena had been
speeding toward a military checkpoint along the airport road, the site
of regular attacks against both military and civilian vehicles, and
that it had ignored warnings in the form of hard signals, flashing
lights and warning shots.
Ms. Sgrena, along with Italian officials quoted in newspapers here,
challenged that version. "There was no bright light, no signal," she
said in an interview with La 7 TV in Italy, adding that the car was not
speeding.
In an indication of the political sensitivities here, a range of Bush
administration officials have called Italian authorities to express
their condolences regarding Mr. Calipari's death, and these included a
call from Mr. Bush to Mr. Berlusconi on Friday.
A Pentagon spokesman said on Sunday that Defense Secretary Donald H.
Rumsfeld had called his Italian counterpart, Defense Minister Antonio
Martino, over the weekend to express his condolences. The Italian
Defense Ministry said Mr. Rumsfeld had expressed "the sorrow of the
American administration, and his own personal sorrow for the death of
Nicola Calipari."
The Pentagon has pledged a thorough investigation of the shooting.
The political repercussions of the shooting are uncertain, with much
depending, political analysts and politicians say, on how the United
States answers the many questions here.
Sergio Romano, a former Italian ambassador to NATO and columnist with
the influential newspaper Corriere della Sera, said the episode may
nonetheless harden the desire for Mr. Berlusconi to move slowly toward
a concrete withdrawal plan, especially given that Italy holds general
elections in the spring of 2006.
"I think Berlusconi would want to have begun the withdrawal, at least,
if not completed it," by the elections, Mr. Romano said.
Mr. Calipari will be buried in a state funeral on Monday.
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07 Mar 2005 11:12:51 PM |
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"Ƕ" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the Words
www.nytimes.com/
U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War
Several days before the incident with the Italian journalist
I saw a news special about US troops in Iraq. It was about
a couple hours long and one part of it showed them manning
a checkpoint... it showed a car moving toward them and speeding
up, and exactly as in related reports the troopers fired warning
shots then fired to kill the driver. This must be such a common
occurrence I don't really doubt the veracity of the US military's
side of the story. I just thought it ironic this exact same
scenario played out several days later with this Italian journalist.
By IAN FISHER
Published: March 7, 2005
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08 Mar 2005 06:51:25 AM |
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"?Ƕ" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the Words
www.nytimes.com/
U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War
Several days before the incident with the Italian journalist
I saw a news special about US troops in Iraq. It was about
a couple hours long and one part of it showed them manning
a checkpoint... it showed a car moving toward them and speeding
up, and exactly as in related reports the troopers fired warning
shots then fired to kill the driver. This must be such a common
occurrence I don't really doubt the veracity of the US military's
side of the story. I just thought it ironic this exact same
scenario played out several days later with this Italian journalist.
You're right, it is the procedure, the driver of the car should have
done everything possible to let the Americans know they were
non-hostile.
It;s war zone for crying out loud.
My thought on this is that the Italian agent wanted to try to get out
of Iraq without the US knowing, thus he tried to get by the US troops.
Tony
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08 Mar 2005 07:21:50 PM |
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"?Ƕ" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the Words
www.nytimes.com/
U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War
Several days before the incident with the Italian journalist
I saw a news special about US troops in Iraq. It was about
a couple hours long and one part of it showed them manning
a checkpoint... it showed a car moving toward them and speeding
up, and exactly as in related reports the troopers fired warning
shots then fired to kill the driver. This must be such a common
occurrence I don't really doubt the veracity of the US military's
side of the story. I just thought it ironic this exact same
scenario played out several days later with this Italian journalist.
You're right, it is the procedure, the driver of the car should have
done everything possible to let the Americans know they were
non-hostile.
It;s war zone for crying out loud.
My thought on this is that the Italian agent wanted to try to get out
of Iraq without the US knowing, thus he tried to get by the US troops.
Read the reports, Tony - there was no checkpoint, there was no speeding
car, the US military had been notified that the freed hostage would be
travelling that route. We screwed up.
Woods
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| User: "Perseid" |
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08 Mar 2005 09:06:05 PM |
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Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
itwill@happen.com wrote:
"?Ƕ" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the Words
www.nytimes.com/
U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War
Several days before the incident with the Italian journalist
I saw a news special about US troops in Iraq. It was about
a couple hours long and one part of it showed them manning
a checkpoint... it showed a car moving toward them and speeding
up, and exactly as in related reports the troopers fired warning
shots then fired to kill the driver. This must be such a common
occurrence I don't really doubt the veracity of the US military's
side of the story. I just thought it ironic this exact same
scenario played out several days later with this Italian journalist.
You're right, it is the procedure, the driver of the car should have
done everything possible to let the Americans know they were
non-hostile.
It;s war zone for crying out loud.
My thought on this is that the Italian agent wanted to try to get out
of Iraq without the US knowing, thus he tried to get by the US troops.
Read the reports, Tony - there was no checkpoint, there was no speeding
car, the US military had been notified that the freed hostage would be
travelling that route. We screwed up.
Woods
Latest reports I'm reading say the US will re-investigate
the incident and that the Italians had refused an escort
by the US military, so the US definitely knew about their
planned route.
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09 Mar 2005 04:02:03 AM |
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Perseid <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9613CC7BA7AD8rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136>...
Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
itwill@happen.com wrote:
"???Ƕ?" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the Words
www.nytimes.com/
U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War
Several days before the incident with the Italian journalist
I saw a news special about US troops in Iraq. It was about
a couple hours long and one part of it showed them manning
a checkpoint... it showed a car moving toward them and speeding
up, and exactly as in related reports the troopers fired warning
shots then fired to kill the driver. This must be such a common
occurrence I don't really doubt the veracity of the US military's
side of the story. I just thought it ironic this exact same
scenario played out several days later with this Italian journalist.
You're right, it is the procedure, the driver of the car should have
done everything possible to let the Americans know they were
non-hostile.
It;s war zone for crying out loud.
My thought on this is that the Italian agent wanted to try to get out
of Iraq without the US knowing, thus he tried to get by the US troops.
Read the reports, Tony - there was no checkpoint, there was no speeding
car, the US military had been notified that the freed hostage would be
travelling that route. We screwed up.
Woods
Latest reports I'm reading say the US will re-investigate
the incident and that the Italians had refused an escort
by the US military, so the US definitely knew about their
planned route.
Whilst I'm not too enamoured of the US action in Iraq, I try and look
for *****-up before conspiracy - just because some guy in an
air-conditioned office knew abut the route doesn't automatically mean
two 19 year olds from Kentucky manning a checkpoint in the sweltering
heat did. Although of course they shodul have done.
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09 Mar 2005 05:51:09 PM |
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Tom wrote:
Perseid <eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9613CC7BA7AD8rrfkwrantispamattbic@216.196.97.136>...
Woodswun <woodswun@tepidmail.com> Spat the Words
itwill@happen.com wrote:
"???Ƕ?" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the Words
www.nytimes.com/
U.S. Killing of Italian Officer Stokes Anger Against War
Several days before the incident with the Italian journalist
I saw a news special about US troops in Iraq. It was about
a couple hours long and one part of it showed them manning
a checkpoint... it showed a car moving toward them and speeding
up, and exactly as in related reports the troopers fired warning
shots then fired to kill the driver. This must be such a common
occurrence I don't really doubt the veracity of the US military's
side of the story. I just thought it ironic this exact same
scenario played out several days later with this Italian journalist.
You're right, it is the procedure, the driver of the car should have
done everything possible to let the Americans know they were
non-hostile.
It;s war zone for crying out loud.
My thought on this is that the Italian agent wanted to try to get out
of Iraq without the US knowing, thus he tried to get by the US troops.
Read the reports, Tony - there was no checkpoint, there was no speeding
car, the US military had been notified that the freed hostage would be
travelling that route. We screwed up.
Woods
Latest reports I'm reading say the US will re-investigate
the incident and that the Italians had refused an escort
by the US military, so the US definitely knew about their
planned route.
Whilst I'm not too enamoured of the US action in Iraq, I try and look
for *****-up before conspiracy - just because some guy in an
air-conditioned office knew abut the route doesn't automatically mean
two 19 year olds from Kentucky manning a checkpoint in the sweltering
heat did. Although of course they shodul have done.
There's an old quote, I don't know from where, that goes "Don't expect a
conspiracy when incompetence can explain the situation".
Woods
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06 Mar 2005 10:32:58 PM |
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???
Jeezus!
When bad wars go worse....
What the hell can you say?
OOPS! We're Sorry??
I guess they'll get the official White House standard form letter of
apologies and condolences, currently being printed in the third edition.
Sadly - it just sucks.
susan
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07 Mar 2005 11:48:03 PM |
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Move inland, my sweet !!!
Take hubby & the kiddies (if u want)
but move inland all the same.....
The east coast of Florida will soon
be FRICKED. No actually make that
SUPERFRICKED........by a giant wave !!!
The prophet has gespoken=99
Hooroo / Toodle-pips ;-)
Yours Truly ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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08 Mar 2005 03:35:13 AM |
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On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:32:58 -0500, (Su Zanadu)
wrote:
???
Jeezus!
When bad wars go worse....
What the hell can you say?
OOPS! We're Sorry??
I guess they'll get the official White House standard form letter of
apologies and condolences, currently being printed in the third edition.
Sadly - it just sucks.
susan
Actually,denial seems to be the frontrunner.
"U.S. Rejects Italy Journalist's Claims"
White House - AP Mon Mar 7,12:39 PM ET
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON - The White House on Monday said it was "absurd" for a
former hostage in Iraq to charge that U.S. military forces may have
deliberately targeted her car as she was being rushed to freedom.
Responding to Sgrena's statement that the car may have been
deliberately targeted, McClellan said. "It's absurd to make any such
suggestion, that our men and women in uniform would deliberately
target innocent civilians.
"That's just absurd," McClellan repeated.
"And we regret this incident," McClellan added. "We are going to fully
investigate what exactly occurred."
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one,some bigger than others"
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07 Mar 2005 09:38:27 PM |
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Su Zanadu wrote:
???
Jeezus!
When bad wars go worse....
What the hell can you say?
OOPS! We're Sorry??
I guess they'll get the official White House standard form letter of
apologies and condolences, currently being printed in the third edition.
Looks like they got the typical Bush response: deny, deny, deny.
9_9
Woods
Sadly - it just sucks.
susan
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08 Mar 2005 06:48:27 AM |
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Su Zanadu wrote:
???
Jeezus!
When bad wars go worse....
What the hell can you say?
OOPS! We're Sorry??
I guess they'll get the official White House standard form letter of
apologies and condolences, currently being printed in the third edition.
Looks like they got the typical Bush response: deny, deny, deny.
Woods
Uh, that's Clinton you;re still thinking of.
Tony
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08 Mar 2005 07:59:05 AM |
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Spat the Words
Su Zanadu wrote:
???
Jeezus!
When bad wars go worse....
What the hell can you say?
OOPS! We're Sorry??
I guess they'll get the official White House standard form letter of
apologies and condolences, currently being printed in the third edition.
Looks like they got the typical Bush response: deny, deny, deny.
Woods
Uh, that's Clinton you;re still thinking of.
Seem to recall Clinton admitted what he did. Truth came out
and he got impeached. Bush is still covering up his dirty deeds
(probably why Bush hasn't been impeached yet).
If the full truth ever came out, Bush would get the boot.
Tony
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09 Mar 2005 09:30:20 AM |
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itwill@happen.com Spat the Words
Su Zanadu wrote:
???
Jeezus!
When bad wars go worse....
What the hell can you say?
OOPS! We're Sorry??
I guess they'll get the official White House standard form letter of
apologies and condolences, currently being printed in the third edition.
Looks like they got the typical Bush response: deny, deny, deny.
Woods
Uh, that's Clinton you;re still thinking of.
Seem to recall Clinton admitted what he did.
When?
Tony
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