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Topic: Science > Prophecies-Of-Nostradamus
User: "DarkinStormy"
Date: 03 Apr 2004 06:55:40 AM
Object: US leaders get suckered with "Curveball"
US Ignored Warnings That=20
WMD Info Wasn't Credible
By Luke Harding=20
The Guardian - UK=20
4-2-4
BERLIN -- An Iraqi defector nicknamed Curveball who wrongly =
claimed that Saddam Hussein had mobile chemical weapons factories was =
last night at the centre of a bitter row between the CIA and Germany's =
intelligence agency.=20
=20
German officials said that they had warned American colleagues =
well before the Iraq war that Curveball's information was not credible - =
but the warning was ignored.=20
=20
It was the Iraqi defector's testimony that led the Bush =
administration to claim that Saddam had built a fleet of trucks and =
railway wagons to produce anthrax and other deadly germs.=20
=20
In his presentation to the UN security council in February last =
year, the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, explicitly used =
Curveball's now discredited claims as justification for war. The Iraqis =
were assembling "mobile production facilities for biological agents", Mr =
Powell said, adding that his information came from "a solid source".=20
=20
These "killer caravans" allowed Saddam to produce anthrax "on =
demand", it was claimed. US officials never had direct access to the =
defector, and have subsequently claimed that the Germans misled them.=20
=20
Yesterday, however, German agents told Die Zeit newspaper that =
they had warned the Bush administration long before last year that there =
were "problems" with Curveball's account. "We gave a clear credibility =
assessment. On our side at least, there were no tricks before Colin =
Powell's presentation," one source told the newspaper.=20
=20
Officially, Germany's intelligence agency, the BND, has refused =
to comment.=20
=20
The revelation is embarrassing for the Bush administration and =
appears to bolster the contention that it used dubious intelligence in a =
partisan manner in the critical few weeks before the invasion of Iraq.=20
=20
=20
It has now emerged that Curveball is the brother of a top aide =
of Ahmad Chalabi, the pro-western Iraqi former exile with links to the =
Pentagon.=20
=20
According to the Los Angeles Times, it was UN inspectors who =
came up with the idea that Saddam might have developed mobile factories =
to try to evade weapons inspections. They asked Mr Chalabi, a bitter =
enemy of Saddam, to find evidence to support the theory.=20
=20
Recently, American officials have admitted that Curveball's =
information was false. Meanwhile, David Kay, who resigned as head of the =
Iraqi survey group in January after a fruitless nine-month search for =
weapons of mass destruction, said in an interview that Curveball had =
been "absolutely at the heart of the matter", but had turned out to be =
an "out and out fabricator".=20
=20
US and British intelligence officials have acknowledged since =
the war that much of the information supplied by Mr Chalabi's Iraqi =
National Congress and other Iraqi groups was wrong. Yesterday, German =
sources said they were bemused by the idea that they had tricked the US. =
"We ask ourselves, what are they on about?" one said.=20
=20
Guardian Unlimited =A9 Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004 =
http://WWW.GUARDIAN.CO.UK/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1184172,00.html =20
.

User: "Woodswun"

Title: Re: US leaders get suckered with "Curveball" 03 Apr 2004 12:38:57 PM
In article <c4mc8i02dk3@enews2.newsguy.com>, "DarkinStormy" <g-ray52@excite.com> wrote:

US Ignored Warnings That=20
WMD Info Wasn't Credible
By Luke Harding=20
The Guardian - UK=20
4-2-4


BERLIN -- An Iraqi defector nicknamed Curveball who wrongly =
claimed that Saddam Hussein had mobile chemical weapons factories was =
last night at the centre of a bitter row between the CIA and Germany's =
intelligence agency.=20
=20
German officials said that they had warned American colleagues =
well before the Iraq war that Curveball's information was not credible - =
but the warning was ignored.=20
=20
It was the Iraqi defector's testimony that led the Bush =
administration to claim that Saddam had built a fleet of trucks and =
railway wagons to produce anthrax and other deadly germs.=20
=20
In his presentation to the UN security council in February last =
year, the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, explicitly used =
Curveball's now discredited claims as justification for war. The Iraqis =
were assembling "mobile production facilities for biological agents", Mr =
Powell said, adding that his information came from "a solid source".=20
=20
These "killer caravans" allowed Saddam to produce anthrax "on =
demand", it was claimed. US officials never had direct access to the =
defector, and have subsequently claimed that the Germans misled them.=20
=20
Yesterday, however, German agents told Die Zeit newspaper that =
they had warned the Bush administration long before last year that there =
were "problems" with Curveball's account. "We gave a clear credibility =
assessment. On our side at least, there were no tricks before Colin =
Powell's presentation," one source told the newspaper.=20

IIRC, the CIA doesn't give high credibility to unproven sources. Further, the
CIA went public last year stating that they had told this Administration that
much of the information Bush wanted to use was from unreliable sources, and he
used it anyway. (Recall the big bruhaha over the 16 words that the CIA battled
Bush over?)
I don't think there's any row between German and US intelligence officials at
all, Bush just refused to listen to anything he didn't want to hear.
Woods
.

User: "Zak"

Title: Re: US leaders get suckered with "Curveball" 03 Apr 2004 11:20:44 AM
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 04:55:40 -0800, "DarkinStormy" <g-ray52@excite.com>
wrote:

US Ignored Warnings That
WMD Info Wasn't Credible
By Luke Harding
The Guardian - UK
4-2-4


BERLIN -- An Iraqi defector nicknamed Curveball who wrongly claimed that Saddam Hussein had mobile chemical weapons factories was last night at the centre of a bitter row between the CIA and Germany's intelligence agency.

German officials said that they had warned American colleagues well before the Iraq war that Curveball's information was not credible - but the warning was ignored.

It was the Iraqi defector's testimony that led the Bush administration to claim that Saddam had built a fleet of trucks and railway wagons to produce anthrax and other deadly germs.

In his presentation to the UN security council in February last year, the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, explicitly used Curveball's now discredited claims as justification for war. The Iraqis were assembling "mobile production facilities for biological agents", Mr Powell said, adding that his information came from

"a solid source".


These "killer caravans" allowed Saddam to produce anthrax "on demand", it was claimed. US officials never had direct access to the defector, and have subsequently claimed that the Germans misled them.

Yesterday, however, German agents told Die Zeit newspaper that they had warned the Bush administration long before last year that there were "problems" with Curveball's account. "We gave a clear credibility assessment. On our side at least, there were no tricks before Colin Powell's presentation," one source told the

newspaper.


Officially, Germany's intelligence agency, the BND, has refused to comment.

The revelation is embarrassing for the Bush administration and appears to bolster the contention that it used dubious intelligence in a partisan manner in the critical few weeks before the invasion of Iraq.


It has now emerged that Curveball is the brother of a top aide of Ahmad Chalabi, the pro-western Iraqi former exile with links to the Pentagon.

According to the Los Angeles Times, it was UN inspectors who came up with the idea that Saddam might have developed mobile factories to try to evade weapons inspections. They asked Mr Chalabi, a bitter enemy of Saddam, to find evidence to support the theory.

Recently, American officials have admitted that Curveball's information was false. Meanwhile, David Kay, who resigned as head of the Iraqi survey group in January after a fruitless nine-month search for weapons of mass destruction, said in an interview that Curveball had been "absolutely at the heart of the matter", but

had turned out to be an "out and out fabricator".


US and British intelligence officials have acknowledged since the war that much of the information supplied by Mr Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress and other Iraqi groups was wrong. Yesterday, German sources said they were bemused by the idea that they had tricked the US. "We ask ourselves, what are they on about?" one

said.


Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004 http://WWW.GUARDIAN.CO.UK/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1184172,00.html

Dosen't matter. Bush wanted a war anyway. They had to clean up Daddy's
mess.
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