In article <w5ucd.1143$J16.35045@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Marvin The

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <1097961019.qnavQDr0Od1bwn99rcjgeQ@teranews>, "Marvin The

Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

Can we say it's official now that there were not enough troops sent

Iraq?

------------------------------------------------

U.S. Military Faults Lack of Troops in Iraq -Poll
Sat Oct 16, 2004 03:40 PM ET

By Susan Heavey

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A majority of U.S. troops serving in Iraq and

their

families said the Bush administration did not send enough forces to

and

relied too heavily on the National Guard and reserve troops, a poll

showed

on Saturday.

So, the military rank and file have a better grip on military planning

than

commander-in-chief Bush. What a surprise. Kind of odd that nobody's

talking

about how Tommy Franks kept insisting that invading Iraq successfully

would

require more troops, and Bush refused to listen (because he didn't want

hear

it).

Woods

Hey Woods,

Read 'Without A Doubt' ... you've brought it up before about Bush's
connection with God ... this article takes it further and explains Bush's
'staying the course' and denial of reality. It's long, but well written.

Read it, thanks for posting. They had Ron Susskind on This Week with

Poopheadopoulos. (Un)remarkably, his statements about Bush going with his

and ignoring facts went over the talking heads' heads, and they starting

on about how American culture is so out of control that people want

more solid and basic.

Yeah, going with your gut and ignoring reality is more solid ....

Our media is in such deep doo-doo, intellectually.

Wioods

In article <w5ucd.1143$J16.35045@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:yEtcd.14524$l07.916@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

In article <1097961019.qnavQDr0Od1bwn99rcjgeQ@teranews>, "Marvin The

Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

Can we say it's official now that there were not enough troops sent into
Iraq?

------------------------------------------------

U.S. Military Faults Lack of Troops in Iraq -Poll
Sat Oct 16, 2004 03:40 PM ET

By Susan Heavey

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A majority of U.S. troops serving in Iraq and

their

families said the Bush administration did not send enough forces to Iraq

and

relied too heavily on the National Guard and reserve troops, a poll

showed

on Saturday.

So, the military rank and file have a better grip on military planning

than

commander-in-chief Bush. What a surprise. Kind of odd that nobody's

talking

about how Tommy Franks kept insisting that invading Iraq successfully

would

require more troops, and Bush refused to listen (because he didn't want to

hear

it).

Woods

Hey Woods,

Read 'Without A Doubt' ... you've brought it up before about Bush's
connection with God ... this article takes it further and explains Bush's
'staying the course' and denial of reality. It's long, but well written.

Read it, thanks for posting. They had Ron Susskind on This Week with Stephen
Poopheadopoulos. (Un)remarkably, his statements about Bush going with his gut
and ignoring facts went over the talking heads' heads, and they starting going
on about how American culture is so out of control that people want something
more solid and basic.

Yeah, going with your gut and ignoring reality is more solid ....

Our media is in such deep doo-doo, intellectually.

Wioods

In article <aMBcd.15402$cr4.11181@edtnps84>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Woodswun a écrit:

In article <1097961019.qnavQDr0Od1bwn99rcjgeQ@teranews>, "Marvin The Paranoid

Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

Can we say it's official now that there were not enough troops sent into
Iraq?

------------------------------------------------

U.S. Military Faults Lack of Troops in Iraq -Poll
Sat Oct 16, 2004 03:40 PM ET

By Susan Heavey

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A majority of U.S. troops serving in Iraq and their
families said the Bush administration did not send enough forces to Iraq and
relied too heavily on the National Guard and reserve troops, a poll showed
on Saturday.

So, the military rank and file have a better grip on military planning than
commander-in-chief Bush. What a surprise. Kind of odd that nobody's talking

about how Tommy Franks kept insisting that invading Iraq successfully would
require more troops, and Bush refused to listen (because he didn't want to

hear

it).

Woods

Nope. In fact Franks is the one who made the determination of how many
troops were required. He is the one who assesses that.

And he thought 120 000 was what he needed. And no, he never said he had
requested more. Must be some lie? The only liar i can think of is
Woodard. Is it him? Anyway.

Before:
http://www.pentagon.gov/transcripts/2004/tr20040929-secdef1381.html

MR. HANNITY: It is a tough business. One last question: the moment
when you were in the Situation Room and you had all these monitors and
General Franks, all nine commanders were there, you were at this meeting
and president asked the questions are you ready? Do you have what you
need? Are you satisfied? And they all said, yes, sir, we’re ready.
You were ready at that point. And he reports that the president
saluted, rose from his chair, and that you could see him welling up with
tears and – you know, because he was just making the decision he was
going to put American sons and daughters in harm’s way. Do you remember
it that way?

SEC. RUMSFELD: I certainly remember the meeting and I remember the
president asking an additional question, and that was: can we win? He
certainly asked were they ready. He certainly asked whether they had
everything they needed, and in addition he said can we prevail – can we
– will the United States and the coalition be successful in this? And
every single one of them answered affirmatively to each of the questions.

I do remember the president saluting and I do remember him getting up.
I do not remember the emotional part of it, but it would not be
surprising that a person of his compassion and concern would recognize
the significance of his decision. He’s a very caring person.

During:
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040318-depsecdef0561.html
PAUL WOLFOWITZ: Well, we don't have several hundred thousand there. We
have 120,000. My biggest concern was, and I think he knew it, that
General Franks was the combatant commander. General Franks was the one
who made estimates of what troop requirements would be (...)

There are dozens more of links about that. But this is the gist of it.

Again, I'd be curious to see what (legitimate?) link would say otehrwise.

*shrug*

Hey, I'm just recalling the stories of the time from CNN, MSNBC, and the like.
I note that Rumsfeld isn't claiming that the number of troops sent to Iraq
was the number that Franks came up with, though ....

(Or maybe there was another general whom Franks replaced? Someone was near
getting replaced about that time, but I think it was Franks and he stuck it
out).

Woods

LOL ... you're quoting Rummy and Wolfie .... now there's a couple of
unbiased opinions. Those two numbskulls along The Coke Monkey are
responsible for the mess now happening in Iraq.

Now go wallow in your fartitude.


"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:aMBcd.15402$cr4.11181@edtnps84...

Woodswun a écrit:

In article <1097961019.qnavQDr0Od1bwn99rcjgeQ@teranews>, "Marvin The

Paranoid Android" <marvin@galaxy.com> wrote:

Can we say it's official now that there were not enough troops sent into
Iraq?

------------------------------------------------

U.S. Military Faults Lack of Troops in Iraq -Poll
Sat Oct 16, 2004 03:40 PM ET

By Susan Heavey

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A majority of U.S. troops serving in Iraq and

their

families said the Bush administration did not send enough forces to Iraq

and

relied too heavily on the National Guard and reserve troops, a poll

showed

on Saturday.

So, the military rank and file have a better grip on military planning

than

commander-in-chief Bush. What a surprise. Kind of odd that nobody's

talking

about how Tommy Franks kept insisting that invading Iraq successfully

would

require more troops, and Bush refused to listen (because he didn't want

to hear

it).

Woods

Nope. In fact Franks is the one who made the determination of how many
troops were required. He is the one who assesses that.

And he thought 120 000 was what he needed. And no, he never said he had
requested more. Must be some lie? The only liar i can think of is
Woodard. Is it him? Anyway.

Before:
http://www.pentagon.gov/transcripts/2004/tr20040929-secdef1381.html

MR. HANNITY: It is a tough business. One last question: the moment
when you were in the Situation Room and you had all these monitors and
General Franks, all nine commanders were there, you were at this meeting
and president asked the questions are you ready? Do you have what you
need? Are you satisfied? And they all said, yes, sir, we’re ready.
You were ready at that point. And he reports that the president
saluted, rose from his chair, and that you could see him welling up with
tears and – you know, because he was just making the decision he was
going to put American sons and daughters in harm’s way. Do you remember
it that way?

SEC. RUMSFELD: I certainly remember the meeting and I remember the
president asking an additional question, and that was: can we win? He
certainly asked were they ready. He certainly asked whether they had
everything they needed, and in addition he said can we prevail – can we
– will the United States and the coalition be successful in this? And
every single one of them answered affirmatively to each of the questions.

I do remember the president saluting and I do remember him getting up.
I do not remember the emotional part of it, but it would not be
surprising that a person of his compassion and concern would recognize
the significance of his decision. He’s a very caring person.

During:
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040318-depsecdef0561.html
PAUL WOLFOWITZ: Well, we don't have several hundred thousand there. We
have 120,000. My biggest concern was, and I think he knew it, that
General Franks was the combatant commander. General Franks was the one
who made estimates of what troop requirements would be (...)

There are dozens more of links about that. But this is the gist of it.

Again, I'd be curious to see what (legitimate?) link would say otehrwise.

J.

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