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User:	"Daylight"
Date:	24 Nov 2004 12:41:15 PM
Object:	US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!

I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks to attack US bases. I have never taken
these reports seriously. I do not take the Pentagon reports seriously
either. Only when a third party confirms the event it becomes a fact.
Today I came across an article and it has some hints about something
like this. The article on the following link is about an AFP reporter
who was in Fallujah when the US attacked the city. He explains his
journey with the death when he was in the city. The article is not
about tanks taken by insurgents, but in one paragraph the journalist
points out to this fact.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11945
<quote>
Wednesday November 10
Heavy clashes take place at a crossroads on street number 40. "The
noise is deafening. I see tanks on fire and the fighters throw
themselves into battle without thought for their lives. >>They take
two abandoned tanks and start to move them when two aircraft fire
missiles and destroy the tanks<<"
</quote>
From the last statement in the above paragraph we can conclude that
this incident is not the only one. And that is why the US aircraft
destroyed them immediately without even trying to take them back
assuming the enemy cannot operate them. It looks like when the US
soldiers face the death they leave their military tanks and run away.
After reading the above paragraph, I remembered an image I saw on TV.
It was about some US tanks with big orange mark on them. Usually you
mark your tanks or military vehicles in the battlefield to distinguish
them from enemy tanks. We know that the insurgents in Fallujah are
fighting with small weapons. So what is the point in marking your
tanks if your enemy doesn't have any! It is clear that leaving tanks
in the battlefield and running away is widespread among US soldiers.
And the insurgents have taken so many of the abandoned tanks.
This also explains why the US marines settled in the northern part of
the city and claimed victory for a TV show and left the southern part
in the hands of the insurgents. What a shameful act for soldiers
leaving their weapons and running away! And what weapons? Tanks!
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User: "tw"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	25 Nov 2004 03:58:10 AM

"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70ceae71.0411241041.6a588ee4@posting.google.com...

I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks

I was unaware the US had any civilain tanks..

to attack US bases. I have never taken
these reports seriously. I do not take the Pentagon reports seriously
either. Only when a third party confirms the event it becomes a fact.

*boggle* bizarre definition of fact you have there..

Today I came across an article and it has some hints about something
like this. The article on the following link is about an AFP reporter
who was in Fallujah when the US attacked the city. He explains his
journey with the death when he was in the city. The article is not
about tanks taken by insurgents, but in one paragraph the journalist
points out to this fact.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11945

<quote>
Wednesday November 10
Heavy clashes take place at a crossroads on street number 40. "The
noise is deafening. I see tanks on fire and the fighters throw
themselves into battle without thought for their lives. >>They take
two abandoned tanks and start to move them when two aircraft fire
missiles and destroy the tanks<<"
</quote>

I very much doubt the "tanks" would have been abandonded had they been
serviceable.

From the last statement in the above paragraph we can conclude that
this incident is not the only one.

Really? How on earth did you work that out?

And that is why the US aircraft
destroyed them immediately without even trying to take them back
assuming the enemy cannot operate them.

Standard practice to destroy the ammunitino, radios etc.

It looks like when the US soldiers face the death they leave their military

tanks and run away.
That is a bizarre conclusion to leap to.

After reading the above paragraph, I remembered an image I saw on TV.
It was about some US tanks with big orange mark on them. Usually you
mark your tanks or military vehicles in the battlefield to distinguish
them from enemy tanks.

...or so they show up when you call in Close Air Support. Or as unit
markings.

We know that the insurgents in Fallujah are
fighting with small weapons. So what is the point in marking your
tanks if your enemy doesn't have any!

Well, I gave you one reason above - it makes them easier for CAS to spot

It is clear that leaving tanks
in the battlefield and running away is widespread among US soldiers.

Nope, it is not clear at all that that is the case.

And the insurgents have taken so many of the abandoned tanks.

LOL

This also explains why the US marines settled in the northern part of
the city and claimed victory for a TV show and left the southern part
in the hands of the insurgents. What a shameful act for soldiers
leaving their weapons and running away! And what weapons? Tanks!

You're nearly as much a fruitcake as MacDonut is.
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User: "David Casey"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	25 Nov 2004 10:33:10 AM

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:58:10 +0100, tw wrote in
<news:co4a4f$gsf$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>:
[followups set]

..or so they show up when you call in Close Air Support. Or as unit
markings.

When my unit was in Kosovo we had the orange recognition panels for our
signal vehicles. It's a good idea for anyone who wants to stand out from
the air to have these when you might need to call in air support for
whatever reason.
I never thought they might be used to distinguish our signal equipment from
the Serbs signal equipment, though. ;-)
Dave
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User: "tw"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	26 Nov 2004 08:48:06 AM

"David Casey" <sgtcasey@IH8SPAMcableone.net> wrote in message
news:17amzpv4z75vu.dlg@sgtcaseycableone.net...

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:58:10 +0100, tw wrote in
<news:co4a4f$gsf$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>:

[followups set]

..or so they show up when you call in Close Air Support. Or as unit
markings.

Aren't there snazzy ones which show up on infra red now too? Hopefully we
can invent one which will immediately light up a sign on the A10 driver's
dashboard saying "Don't shoot! We're British! " soon ;-)

I never thought they might be used to distinguish our signal equipment

from

the Serbs signal equipment, though. ;-)

That's because you don't think like Daylight does. Free your mind! Empty
your skull!
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User: "raymond ohara"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	24 Nov 2004 12:55:56 PM

"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70ceae71.0411241041.6a588ee4@posting.google.com...

arab reporters are as reliable as pravda was in the cold war. they print
hat they make up.
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User: "bollogs"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	25 Nov 2004 03:41:12 AM

"raymond o'hara" <reoh@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<0P4pd.141891$HA.44113@attbi_s01>...

"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70ceae71.0411241041.6a588ee4@posting.google.com...

arab reporters are as reliable as pravda was in the cold war. they print
hat they make up.

They print "hat" do they? Try lookin' at foxnews sometime and
specifically the sexual deviant o reilly! <<== now that's hat!
*****!
WH
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User: "Chris Dauer"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	26 Nov 2004 11:57:43 AM

bollogs wrote:

"raymond o'hara" <reoh@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<0P4pd.141891$HA.44113@attbi_s01>...

"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70ceae71.0411241041.6a588ee4@posting.google.com...

arab reporters are as reliable as pravda was in the cold war. they print
hat they make up.

They print "hat" do they? Try lookin' at foxnews sometime and
specifically the sexual deviant o reilly! <<== now that's hat!

*****!

WH

Its hard to say what happened yet with "The Sexual Deviant O'Reilly" though
he admitted to some of it already. We do know Clinton is a CONVICTED
"sexual deviant" but you support him, so your opinion on this matter is
irrelivant. Thats why supporting ANY wrongdoing is bad. IF O'Reilly is
convicted, he gets what he deserves, this republican does not choose sides
when someone breaks the law. But I also dont judge before all the facts
are presented.
.

User: "Paulo Gomes Jardim"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	26 Nov 2004 10:09:31 PM

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:57:43 GMT, Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

We do know Clinton is a CONVICTED
"sexual deviant"

Is Clinton a "sexual deviant" for having cheated his wife, or for being
fond of blow jobs?
--
" Pallida mors aequo pulsat pede pauperum tabernas regumque turres." --
Horacio
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User: "Chris Dauer"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	27 Nov 2004 09:02:36 AM

Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:57:43 GMT, Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

We do know Clinton is a CONVICTED
"sexual deviant"

Is Clinton a "sexual deviant" for having cheated his wife, or for being
fond of blow jobs?

Clinton publicly admitted he was a sexual deviant and was seeking help.
""Indeed I did have a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky that was not
appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in
judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and
completely responsible," [Clinton] said."
Source: CNN, Monday, August 17, 1998
This was obviously a victimless behavior:
" WASHINGTON (Aug. 19) -- Aides say first lady Hillary Clinton told them she
doesn't plan to budge from Martha's Vineyard as the first family begins its
summer vacation.
She needs time with her family on the vacation to work things out, in the
wake of Bill Clinton's acknowledgement of a sexual relationship with
ex-White House intern Monica Lewinsky."
Source: CNN, Wednesday, August 19, 1998
"If it hadn't been for Paula Jones's sexual harassment lawsuit against
President Clinton, none of this would have happened. But at the same time,
the two cases aren't directly related. Jones's attorneys discovered
Lewinsky and subpoenaed her ? and several other women ? as part of an
attempt to show that the president has a habit of sexual relationships with
people who work for him. It was entirely a civil matter until the
possibility arose that Clinton or Jordan suborned perjury or obstructed
justice."
Source: Washington Post, August 26, 1998
"President Bill Clinton suffers from multiple addictions and is on the verge
of self-destruction, according to a noted psychotherapist and addictions
specialist.
"He certainly has damaged himself. He hasn't taken it to the ultimate point,
but I think if he doesn't drop his denial he's going to. He can't really
deal with what's going to come down from Starr," anticipated Dr. Jerome D.
Levin.
Clinton exhibits various symptoms that would indicate he has multiple
addictions, or "cross addictions.""
Source: WorldNetDaily.com, 1998
"WASHINGTON -- President Clinton, his voice humble and his eyes moist,
called himself a "broken spirit," telling religious leaders Friday that he
has repented before God and seeks forgiveness from all he hurt, including
Monica Lewinsky. ...
...."I don't think there is a fancy way to say that I have sinned," Clinton
told 125 religious leaders gathered in the East Room for the annual
national prayer breakfast. The president's public act of contrition was one
in a series he has made his week, but was perhaps his most emotional to
date. ...
.... Speaking in measured, hushed tones, Clinton told the pastors he has been
on a spiritual journey to get to the "rock bottom truth" of where he is
today. The first lady looked on as he spoke, displaying no emotion.
"It is important to me that everybody who has been hurt know that the sorrow
I feel is genuine: first and most important, my family; also my friends, my
staff, my Cabinet, Monica Lewinsky and her family and the American people.
I have asked all for their forgiveness," Clinton said. ...
.... To be forgiven, however, Clinton said he must be determined "to change
and to repair breaches of my own making. I have repented."
But he also referred to "what my Bible calls a `broken spirit;' an
understanding that I must have God's help to be the person that I want to
be; a willingness to give the very forgiveness I seek; a renunciation of
the pride and the anger which cloud judgment, lead people to excuse and
compare and to blame and complain." ..."
Source: Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau, 1998
Sexaholics Anonymous: http://www.sa.org/
Sexaholic Patterns of Behavior: http://www.sarr.org/addicts/tests.htm
Any questions?
Chris
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User: "Kirk Ravens"
Title: +The significance of this masterpiece is not only the divulsion of facts, ...	03 Dec 2004 09:20:04 AM

+The significance of this masterpiece is not only the divulsion of facts,
but the focus it's made on the covert cooperation between the parties who
are playing enemies....
Rove's White House " Murder, Inc." +
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-02-04/discussion.cgi.23.html
By Wayne Madsen .
Online Journal Contributing Writer .
Source:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-02-04/discussion.cgi.23.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052104Madsen/052104madsen.html
[ Forcibly Disabled by Karl Rove's Thugs,Arkansas ,B-Colombia, KSA-London
friends/Attorneys,...NCB etc.etc....]
http://www.lebanonwire.com/0411/04112707MADSEN.asp
http://www.outsupport.org/forum/viewtopic/985.html
DEC., 2004- On September 15, 2001, just four days after the 9-11 attacks,
CIA Director George Tenet provided President [sic] Bush with a Top Secret
"Worldwide Attack Matrix"-a virtual license to kill targets deemed to be a
threat to the United States in some 80 countries around the world. The Tenet
plan, which was subsequently approved by Bush, essentially reversed the
executive orders of four previous U.S. administrations that expressly
prohibited political assassinations.
According to high level European intelligence officials, Bush's counselor,
Karl Rove, used the new presidential authority to silence a popular Lebanese
Christian politician who was planning to offer irrefutable evidence that
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon authorized the massacre of hundreds of
Palestinian men, women, and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Sabra
and Shatilla in 1982. In addition, Sharon provided the Lebanese forces who
carried out the grisly task. At the time of the massacres, Elie Hobeika was
intelligence chief of Lebanese Christian forces in Lebanon who were battling
Palestinians and other Muslim groups in a bloody civil war. He was also the
chief liaison to Israeli Defense Force (IDF) personnel in Lebanon. An
official Israeli inquiry into the massacre at the camps, the Kahan
Commission, merely found Sharon "indirectly" responsible for the slaughter
and fingered Hobeika as the chief instigator.
The Kahan Commission never called on Hobeika to offer testimony in his
defense. However, in response to charges brought against Sharon before a
special war crimes court in Belgium, Hobeika was urged to testify against
Sharon, according to well-informed Lebanese sources. Hobeika was prepared to
offer a different version of events than what was contained in the Kahan
report. A 1993 Belgian law permitting human rights prosecutions was unusual
in that non-Belgians could be tried for violations against other
non-Belgians in a Belgian court. Under pressure from the Bush
administration, the law was severely amended and the extra territoriality
provisions were curtailed.
Hobeika headed the Lebanese forces intelligence agency since the mid- 1970s
and he soon developed close ties to the CIA. He was a frequent visitor to
the CIA's headquarters at Langley, Virginia. After the Syrian invasion of
Lebanon in 1990, Hobeika held a number of cabinet positions in the Lebanese
government, a proxy for the Syrian occupation authorities. He also served in
the parliament. In July 2001, Hobeika called a press conference and
announced he was prepared to testify against Sharon in Belgium and revealed
that he had evidence of what actually occurred in Sabra and Shatilla.
Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon
Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130
transport plane, in full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of
the Lebanese army and others. SLA troops under the command of Major Saad
Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops
were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent
provocateur named Rafi Eitan. Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S.
ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF
had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla
massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of
the investigation of Sharon.
After announcing he was willing to testify against Sharon, Hobeika became
fearful for his safety and began moves to leave Lebanon. Hobeika was not
aware that his threats to testify against Sharon had triggered a series of
fateful events that reached well into the White House and Sharon's office.
On January 24, 2002, Hobeika's car was blown up by a remote controlled bomb
placed in a parked Mercedes along a street in the Hazmieh section of Beirut.
The bomb exploded when Hobeika and his three associates, Fares Souweidan,
Mitri Ajram, and Waleed Zein, were driving their Range Rover past the
TNT-laden Mercedes at 9:40 am Beirut time. The Range Rover's four passengers
were killed in the explosion. In case Hobeika's car had taken another route
through the neighborhood, two additional parked cars, located at two other
choke points, were also rigged with TNT. The powerful bomb wounded a number
of other people on the street. Other parked cars were destroyed and
buildings and homes were damaged. The Lebanese president, prime minister,
and interior minister all claimed that Israeli agents were behind the
attack.
It is noteworthy that the State Department's list of global terrorist
incidents for 2002 worldwide failed to list the car bombing attack on
Hobeika and his party. The White House wanted to ensure the attack was
censored from the report. The reason was simple: the attack ultimately had
Washington's fingerprints on it.
High level European intelligence sources now report that Karl Rove
personally coordinated Hobeika's assassination. The hit on Hobeika employed
Syrian intelligence agents. Syrian President Bashar Assad was trying to
curry favor with the Bush administration in the aftermath of 9-11 and was
more than willing to help the White House. In addition, Assad's father,
Hafez Assad, had been an ally of Bush's father during Desert Storm, a period
that saw Washington give a "wink and a nod" to Syria's occupation of
Lebanon. Rove wanted to help Sharon avoid any political embarrassment from
an in absentia trial in Brussels where Hobeika would be a star witness. Rove
and Sharon agreed on the plan to use Syrian Military Intelligence agents to
assassinate Hobeika. Rove saw Sharon as an indispensable ally of Bush in
ensuring the loyalty of the Christian evangelical and Jewish voting blocs in
the United States. Sharon saw the plan to have the United States coordinate
the hit as a way to mask all connections to Jerusalem.
The Syrian hit team was ordered by Assef Shawkat, the number two man in
Syrian military intelligence and a good friend and brother in law of Syrian
President Bashar Assad. Assad's intelligence services had already cooperated
with U.S. intelligence in resorting to unconventional methods to extract
information from al Qaeda detainees deported to Syria from the United States
and other countries in the wake of 9-11. The order to take out Hobeika was
transmitted by Shawkat to Roustom Ghazali, the head of Syrian military
intelligence in Beirut. Ghazali arranged for the three remote controlled
cars to be parked along Hobeika's route in Hazmieh; only few hundred yards
from the Barracks of Syrian Special Forces which are stationed in the area
near the Presidential palace , the ministry of Defense and various
Government and officers quarters . This particular area is covered 24/7 by a
very sophisticated USA multi-agency surveillance system to monitor Syrian
and Lebanese security activities and is a " Choice " area to live in for its
perceived high security, [Courtesy of the Special Collections Services.]
SCS...; CIA & NSA & DIA....etc.
The plan to kill Hobeika had all the necessary caveats and built-in denial
mechanisms. If the Syrians were discovered beforehand or afterwards, Karl
Rove and his associates in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans would be
ensured plausible deniability.
Hobeika's CIA intermediary in Beirut, a man only referred to as "Jason" by
Hobeika, was a frequent companion of the Lebanese politician during official
and off-duty hours. During Hobeika's election campaigns for his
parliamentary seat, Jason was often in Hobeika's office offering support and
advice. After Hobeika's assassination, Jason became despondent over the
death of his colleague. Eventually, Jason disappeared abruptly from Lebanon
and reportedly later emerged in Pakistan.
Karl Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika may not have been
the last "hit" he ordered to help out Sharon. In March 2002, a few months
after Hobeika's assassination, another Lebanese Christian with knowledge of
Sharon's involvement in the Sabra and Shatilla massacres was gunned down
along with his wife in Sao Paulo, Brazil. A bullet fired at Michael Nassar's
car flattened one of his tires. Nassar pulled into a gasoline station for
repairs. A professional assassin, firing a gun with a silencer, shot Nassar
and his wife in the head, killing them both instantly. The assailant fled
and was never captured. Nassar was also involved with the Phalange militia
at Sabra and Shatilla. Nassar was also reportedly willing to testify against
Sharon in Belgium and, as a nephew of SLA Commander General Antoine Lahd,
may have had important evidence to bolster Hobeika's charge that Sharon
ordered SLA forces into the camps to wipe out the Palestinians.
Based on what European intelligence claims is concrete intelligence on
Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika, the Bush administration
can now add political assassination to its laundry list of other misdeeds,
from lying about the reasons to go to war to the torture tactics in
violation of the Geneva Conventions that have been employed by the Pentagon
and "third country" nationals at prisons in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-02-04/discussion.cgi.23.html
Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and
columnist. He served in the National Security Agency (NSA) during the Reagan
administration and wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. He is the
co-author, with John Stanton, of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of
George Bush II." His forthcoming book is titled: "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil,
Black Ops, and Brass Plates." Madsen can be reached at:
WMadsen777@aol.com
+The significance of this masterpiece is not only the divulsion of facts,
but the focus it's made on the covert cooperation between the parties who
are playing enemies....
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+The significance of this masterpiece is not only the divulsion of facts,
but the focus it's made on the covert cooperation between the parties who
are playing enemies....
http://www.outsupport.org/forum/viewtopic/985.html
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Tensions in the Middle East have prompted public expressions of anti-U.S.
rhetoric and public sentiment. Events in past years in Lebanon, such as
bombings directed at U.S. franchises and the November 2002 murder of a U.S.
citizen in Sidon, underscore the need for caution and sound personal
security precautions. Anti-American demonstrations have occurred in the last
12 months in refugee camps, in the southern suburbs of Beirut and in Beirut
proper to protest U.S. foreign policy. In May 2004, an anti-government
demonstration in the southern suburbs of Beirut turned violent resulting in
the deaths of five demonstrators.
It is noteworthy that the State Department's list of global terrorist
incidents for 2002 worldwide failed to list the car bombing attack on
Hobeika and his party.... But Listed a small Hand Grenade thrown at
a U.S. franchise....? The White House wanted to ensure the attack was
censored from the report. The reason was simple: the attack ultimately had
Washington's fingerprints on it.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Karl+Rove%27s+White+House+%22+Murder%2C+Inc.%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
+The significance of this masterpiece is not only the divulsion of facts,
but the focus it's made on the covert cooperation between the parties who
are playing enemies....
This is some of the evidence for you and for the World ....
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Soviet/Russian Intelligence services...
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NATO Intel.
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Nato Intel.
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European Parliament Intel. Unit
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USA Department of Homeland security Intel.
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British Intel.
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Pentagon US.
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USA Marine Corps Quantico Virginia Intel.
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USA Marine Corps Quantico Virginia Intel.
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US Intel SIS.
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US Intel. OSIS.
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British Intel.
beluha.ssu.gov.ua /modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1052
Ukrainian Intelligence.
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Intel....http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-02-04/discussion.cgi.23.html
Source:
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html
+The significance of this masterpiece is not only the divulsion of facts,
but the focus it's made on the covert cooperation between the parties who
are playing enemies....
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User: "Cosmic00"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	30 Nov 2004 08:15:16 AM

Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<gG0qd.33516$Qv5.6663@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>...

Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:57:43 GMT, Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

We do know Clinton is a CONVICTED
"sexual deviant"

Is Clinton a "sexual deviant" for having cheated his wife, or for being
fond of blow jobs?

Clinton publicly admitted he was a sexual deviant and was seeking help.

This just goes to show what a bunch of hypocrites we have in politics,
that's all. I personally wasn't very fond of Clinton either, but the
freaking 'witch-hunt' that was organized by ultra-conservative
Republicans was PATHETIC! Clinton cheated on his wife, you seriously
are that misinformed to believe that no other politician has done
this?! What is the most terrible thing about it all is that they were
willing to impeach Clinton because of this incident, but the Bush
Admin was able to blatantly 'evade-the-truth' and misinform the
American people. What the hell is that?! Isn't that treason at the
highest level?!
I don't doubt that there are US soldiers fleeing for their lives in
some instances. It's only human. At least American Soldiers CAN run
away and go home. Iraqis on the other hand will have no home to go
to. I fail to see how someone can seriously be conservative and
Republican, and really think that Bush somehow leads the party well.
I am both, and think he's the worst Republican president I have EVER
seen! His spending is through the roof! His administration is
attempting to change Constitutional laws! Oh, and when did the
Republican party become a recruiting center for Christians?
I believe that a American has to think about America (as in the people
that live in the US, not some nationalism that is unconstitutional)
first! Not some stupid party that is trying to make people live in
their draconian manner. The only people that are drawing an advantage
from fellow Americans fighting each other are the politicians keeping
us all in the dark.
-cos
.

User: "R. Foreman"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	30 Nov 2004 08:42:21 AM

(Cosmic00) Spat the Words

Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:57:43 GMT, Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

We do know Clinton is a CONVICTED
"sexual deviant"

Is Clinton a "sexual deviant" for having cheated his wife, or for
being fond of blow jobs?

Clinton publicly admitted he was a sexual deviant and was seeking help.

They went after his sexual behavior because there simply was
nothing else to get him on. The economy was booming, we were
not bogged down in any land wars, and his sexual behaviors
were somehow an issue with the conservatives (I personally
think they were envious).

What is the most terrible thing about it all is that they were
willing to impeach Clinton because of this incident, but the Bush
Admin was able to blatantly 'evade-the-truth' and misinform the
American people. What the hell is that?! Isn't that treason at the
highest level?!

I don't doubt that there are US soldiers fleeing for their lives in
some instances. It's only human. At least American Soldiers CAN run
away and go home. Iraqis on the other hand will have no home to go
to. I fail to see how someone can seriously be conservative and
Republican, and really think that Bush somehow leads the party well.
I am both, and think he's the worst Republican president I have EVER
seen! His spending is through the roof! His administration is
attempting to change Constitutional laws! Oh, and when did the
Republican party become a recruiting center for Christians?

I believe that a American has to think about America (as in the people
that live in the US, not some nationalism that is unconstitutional)
first! Not some stupid party that is trying to make people live in
their draconian manner. The only people that are drawing an advantage
from fellow Americans fighting each other are the politicians keeping
us all in the dark.

-cos

User: "HawkCW4"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	30 Nov 2004 03:24:12 PM

Cosmic00 wrote:

Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<gG0qd.33516$Qv5.6663@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>...

Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:57:43 GMT, Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

We do know Clinton is a CONVICTED
"sexual deviant"

Is Clinton a "sexual deviant" for having cheated his wife, or for being
fond of blow jobs?

Clinton publicly admitted he was a sexual deviant and was seeking help.

Did you miss that whole adventure friend? If you were paying attention,
you would have understood that Clinton cheating on Hillery was not an
issue outside their cozy little home. Clinton was taken to task for
lying to the Grand Jury. BIG difference. He also dabbled in attempting
to circumvent or deny justice to at least one lady he just couldn't
leave alone. His Bad, and he got off totally clean on the whole thing.
You could take another look at the Bush thing too, but you won't. Hell,
let's make up our minds and then shut them down.
Ed
USA Ret

I don't doubt that there are US soldiers fleeing for their lives in
some instances. It's only human. At least American Soldiers CAN run
away and go home. Iraqis on the other hand will have no home to go
to. I fail to see how someone can seriously be conservative and
Republican, and really think that Bush somehow leads the party well.
I am both, and think he's the worst Republican president I have EVER
seen! His spending is through the roof! His administration is
attempting to change Constitutional laws! Oh, and when did the
Republican party become a recruiting center for Christians?

I believe that a American has to think about America (as in the people
that live in the US, not some nationalism that is unconstitutional)
first! Not some stupid party that is trying to make people live in
their draconian manner. The only people that are drawing an advantage
from fellow Americans fighting each other are the politicians keeping
us all in the dark.

-cos

User: "Cosmic00"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	01 Dec 2004 07:32:27 AM

HawkCW4 <HawkCW4@cox.net> wrote in message news:<0y5rd.105641$SW3.66541@fed1read01>...

I didn't miss the adventure. I don't believe the Grand Jury had any
right to ask him questions on that nature, as I don't believe the
pertain to his job. The answer to the question is debatable as well,
because one can easily say Sex and Oral Gratification are NOT the same
thing. The definition of Sex seems to imply intercourse more so than
anything else. That ambiguity is what made the case a 'Witch-hunt'
and resulted in republicans looking like a-holes. I'm not protecting
Clinton...Him and Hilary were scum (ie, whitewater), but I believe
that Bush is even worse. I really believe the American people deserve
better than these 'corporate-hogs'.
-cos
.

User: "Chris Dauer"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	02 Dec 2004 09:23:34 PM

Cosmic00 wrote:

HawkCW4 <HawkCW4@cox.net> wrote in message
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I think the thing that is most frustrating for me is the comment above. He
was being prosecuted for something that was NON-JOB related, therefore, the
job had NOTHING to do with it. He was being prosecuted for sexual
harrasment, and/or possibly other illegal sexual acts and the reason the
job came into it was important evidence came to light, that happened while
he was working, it establised a pattern of behavior, things pertaining to
the case which occured while on the job, which is something the courts look
at.
Democrats always use the job, like it was at issue, and it was not. He lied
in a court room, and used his presidancy to cover up personal issues. If
he were being prosecuted for a JOB related thing, the grand jury would not
have asked these kinds of questions, unless again, it was establishing a
pattern of behavior with a personal and illegal issue in his job.
I hope this helps to establish my own feelings on this issue, which mimic
those of many I have talked to, and are based on the real facts. This was
the event that changed my feelings on Clinton, the misguided support,
through denial, of Clinton's actions was what changed my opinion on
liberals/democrats and changed me from an independent to a republican. I
would be happy to post the actual issues/events/names, etc... pertaining
to this and a less general overview if neccesary.
The whole idea of spin, was that Clinton or rather the democratic party, did
a good job of making it sound like his personal life was no ones business,
and like it had something to do with his job, but it didnt. If someone
chooses to do illegal things, and they are brought to the table on it, then
their personal life BECOMES the courts business. Because he was the
president, and he was a high profile person his life became the publics
business.
If he didnt want his life open to the public, he should not have chosen a
career that made it so. Many people have decided against running for
public office for this very reason. Bush has to live with this, movie
stars have to live with this, many others have to as well. Public scrutiny
is good when dealing with the lives of people who make decision about our
country and the world.
I never hear anyone ask why Charles Mansons life was made public, he killed
people in his personal and private life, so why was it made public? I
realize Clintons crimes were not this bad, I am simply saying, when people
break the law, especially when in the public eye, their private lives are
no longer private, its unfortunate, but sometimes its actually a good
thing.
If anything, I feel FAR worse for his victims, who did not come out of it so
well, and will have to live with public hate for the rest of their lives
because of Clintons crimes. Where is the public outcry for these people?
Dems talk about them with hate, and loathing, as if they are the ones who
were wrong. Excuses like "they only did it because" and "it was all
politically motivated", etc.. Its not just bad behavior, its sick, and
supports sexual crimes and protects criminals, and its just sad...
If anything, women have learned that they will not be protected when
vicitimized by high profile people, and the public who supports these
criminals while vilifying the victims, which I blelieve damages our
country, and all this from the people who claim exclusivity on caring and
compassion for them. Gloria Steinam supported Clintons actions, how
hypocrytical is THAT?
Chris Dauer
.

User: "HawkCW4"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	01 Dec 2004 12:19:29 PM

Cosmic00 wrote:

HawkCW4 <HawkCW4@cox.net> wrote in message news:<0y5rd.105641$SW3.66541@fed1read01>...

Well excuse me then. But for all other citizens, do we/they get to pick
and choose what we will give consent to for the Grand Jury to question
us about?
Ed
USA Ret
.

User: "Howard Berkowitz"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	01 Dec 2004 01:40:42 PM

In article <QWnrd.108235$SW3.95900@fed1read01>, HawkCW4
<HawkCW4@cox.net> wrote:

Cosmic00 wrote:

HawkCW4 <HawkCW4@cox.net> wrote in message
news:<0y5rd.105641$SW3.66541@fed1read01>...

Well excuse me then. But for all other citizens, do we/they get to pick
and choose what we will give consent to for the Grand Jury to question
us about?

While Grand Juries can ask questions determined by the jurors, the vast
majority of the questions come from the prosecutor. So, while the
suspect does not choose the questions, the prosecutor has some
responsibility for relevance.
.

User: "Chris Dauer"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	27 Nov 2004 10:12:17 AM

Paulo Gomes Jardim wrote:

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:57:43 GMT, Chris Dauer <dauerc@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

We do know Clinton is a CONVICTED
"sexual deviant"

Is Clinton a "sexual deviant" for having cheated his wife, or for being
fond of blow jobs?

I re-read this post, after leaving a long message, and decided I could have
summed it up like this:
Ah, YEAH! If cheating on ones spouse is not part of the definition of
sexual deviant, then WHAT is? (For liking blow jobs, no, as long as he
gets them in a manner that is becoming a normal, healthy sexual
relationship, and this does not include infidellity).
.

User: "J Dubya"
Title: [OT] "Deviance" (WAS Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks andflee!)	29 Nov 2004 08:04:55 AM

Chris Dauer wrote:

[...]
Ah, YEAH! If cheating on ones spouse is not part of the definition of
sexual deviant, then WHAT is? (For liking blow jobs, no, as long as he
gets them in a manner that is becoming a normal, healthy sexual
relationship, and this does not include infidellity).

Heterosexuals enjoy sex with those of the opposite gender.
Heterosexuals are in the majority, by a large margin.
Hence, heterosexual sex is not "deviant."
It's curious that you allow fellatio, but not infidelity,
since many people wrapped up in religiosity claim any sex
not for procreation within a heterosexual marriage is
"deviant."
Not that it excuses Clinton's feet of clay, but
it might interest you to know that almost 1/3 of
heterosexual Americans have been unfaithful at some
time in their lives:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4021/is_5_25/ai_102102597
HTH,
-J Dubya
.

User: "EL CID"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	24 Nov 2004 04:18:35 PM

And Dipshits like Daylight believe it! Humm, he still believes in Santa and
the Tooth Fairy. LOL
"raymond o'hara" <reoh@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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arab reporters are as reliable as pravda was in the cold war. they print
hat they make up.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	25 Nov 2004 11:59:06 AM

raymond o'hara a �crit:

"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70ceae71.0411241041.6a588ee4@posting.google.com...

arab reporters are as reliable as pravda was in the cold war. they print
hat they make up.

Hehe, exactly, but in the case of daylight, he probably read that on
some AlZarkawi continual propaganda lies site.
"Daylight" is synonymous with "They Lied".
J.
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User: "BillC"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	24 Nov 2004 04:59:56 PM

"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks to attack US bases.

Moron.
Troops flee AFV's (that means tanks, armored personal carriers etc) when
they are on fire or so damaged they can't operate.
So you're believing reports that a bunch of terrorist assholes who can't
even operate toilet paper correctly, put out the fires and/or repair the
vehicles, then start them up, and drive them using the guns and complicated
sighting systems etc?
You moron.
.

User: "R. Foreman"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	24 Nov 2004 10:51:28 PM

"BillC" <Billd52jp48@Hotmail.com> Spat the Words

"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70ceae71.0411241041.6a588ee4@posting.google.com...

I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks to attack US bases.

Moron.
Troops flee AFV's (that means tanks, armored personal carriers etc) when
they are on fire or so damaged they can't operate.

And the US Military always destroys vehicles that have to be
abandoned.

So you're believing reports that a bunch of terrorist assholes who can't
even operate toilet paper correctly, put out the fires and/or repair the
vehicles, then start them up, and drive them using the guns and
complicated sighting systems etc?

You moron.

User: "bollogs"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	25 Nov 2004 03:44:07 AM

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"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks to attack US bases.

And you on the other hand are trying to tell us that the idiot yanks
can do that but not the Iraqi's? ...if a stupid yank can do it rest
assured that anyone else can too!
WH
.

User: "BillC"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	25 Nov 2004 10:15:43 AM

"bollogs" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"BillC" <Billd52jp48@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks to attack US bases.

And you on the other hand are trying to tell us that the idiot yanks
can do that but not the Iraqi's? ...if a stupid yank can do it rest
assured that anyone else can too!

What a stupid assed reply. You can't even read, think and reply in a
relevant manner.

User: "bollogs"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	26 Nov 2004 05:00:11 AM

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"bollogs" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks to attack US bases.

And you on the other hand are trying to tell us that the idiot yanks
can do that but not the Iraqi's? ...if a stupid yank can do it rest
assured that anyone else can too!

What a stupid assed reply. You can't even read, think and reply in a
relevant manner.

Oh I can read. You said that these "terrorist assholes" can't "even
operate toilet paper" as if they were stupid. You said that they are
too stupid to put a fire out and repair a tank. I said that if a yank
can do it then anyone can. Get it now? In other words you yanks are
stupid bastards...and anything you can do the rest of us can do
better!
Is that clear enough for you now or do you need more explaining? I can
break it down even simpler for you if you want!
WH
.

User: "BillC"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	26 Nov 2004 02:24:22 PM

"bollogs" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Daylight" <daylight80231@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have read many reports from resistance groups claiming that they
have used US military tanks to attack US bases.

Moron.
Troops flee AFV's (that means tanks, armored personal carriers etc)
when
they are on fire or so damaged they can't operate.
So you're believing reports that a bunch of terrorist assholes who
can't
even operate toilet paper correctly, put out the fires and/or repair
the
vehicles, then start them up, and drive them using the guns and
complicated
sighting systems etc?

You moron.

And you on the other hand are trying to tell us that the idiot yanks
can do that but not the Iraqi's? ...if a stupid yank can do it rest
assured that anyone else can too!

What a stupid assed reply. You can't even read, think and reply in a
relevant manner.

Oh I can read. You said that these "terrorist assholes" can't "even
operate toilet paper" as if they were stupid. You said that they are
too stupid to put a fire out and repair a tank. I said that if a yank
can do it then anyone can. Get it now? In other words you yanks are
stupid bastards...and anything you can do the rest of us can do
better!

Is that clear enough for you now or do you need more explaining? I can
break it down even simpler for you if you want!

Morons like you shouldn't try to be sarcastic - you just make yourself look
even worse than when you started.
So you're saying Iraqi insurgents are taking control of US AFV's, repairing
them, and putting them into action against US forces. OK, supply an example
of that occuring, as reported by credible reporter or the US DOD.
If you can't, then you, you stupid *****, fit in the same category as the
toilet paper chalenged Iraqis I refered to.

User: "bollogs"
Title: Re: US soldiers leave their military tanks and flee!	28 Nov 2004 10:18:36 AM

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