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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/270107Iran.htm
Bush Is About To Attack Iran
Paul Craig Roberts
Lew Rockwell.com
Saturday, January 27, 2007
The American public and the US Congress are getting their backs up=20
about the Bush Regime=E2=80=99s determination to escalate the war in Iraq. =
A=20
massive protest demonstration is occurring in Washington DC today, and=20
Congress is expressing its disagreement with Bush=E2=80=99s decision to=20
intensify the war in Iraq.
This is all to the good. However, it misses the real issue =E2=80=93 the Bu=
sh=20
Regime=E2=80=99s looming attack on Iran.
Rather than winding down one war, Bush is starting another. The entire=20
world knows this and is discussing Bush=E2=80=99s planned attack on Iran in=20
many forums. It is only Americans who haven=E2=80=99t caught on. A few=20
senators have said that Bush must not attack Iran without the approval=20
of Congress, and postings on the Internet demonstrate world-wide=20
awareness that Iran is in the Bush Regime=E2=80=99s cross hairs. But Congre=
ss=20
and the Media =E2=80=93 and the demonstration in Washington =E2=80=93 are f=
ocused on=20
Iraq.
What can be done to bring American awareness up to the standard of the=20
rest of the world?
In Davos, Switzerland, the meeting of the World Economic Forum, a=20
conference where economic globalism issues are discussed, opened=20
January 24 with a discussion of Bush=E2=80=99s planned attack on Iran. The=20
Secretary General of the League of Arab States and bankers and=20
businessmen from such US allies as Bahrain and the United Arab=20
Emirates all warned of the coming attack and its catastrophic=20
consequences for the Middle East and the world. Writing for Global=20
Research (January 24), General Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the=20
Academy on Geopolitical Affairs and former Joint Chief of Staff of the=20
Russian Armies, forecast an American nuclear attack on Iran by the end=20
of April. General Ivashov presented the neoconservative reasoning that=20
is the basis for the attack and concluded that the world=E2=80=99s protests=20
cannot stop the US attack on Iran. There will be shock and=20
indignation, General Ivashov concludes, but the US will get away with=20
it. He writes:
"Within weeks from now, we will see the informational warfare machine=20
start working. The public opinion is already under pressure. There=20
will be a growing anti-Iranian militaristic hysteria, new information=20
leaks, disinformation, etc. . . . The probability of a US aggression=20
against Iran is extremely high. It does remain unclear, though,=20
whether the US Congress is going to authorize the war. It may take a=20
provocation to eliminate this obstacle (an attack on Israel or the US=20
targets including military bases). The scale of the provocation may be=20
comparable to the 9-11 attack in NY. Then the Congress will certainly=20
say "Yes" to the US President."
The Bush Regime has made it clear that it is convinced that Bush=20
already has the authority to attack Iran. The Regime argues that the=20
authority is part of Bush=E2=80=99s commander-in-chief powers. Congress has=20
authorized the war in Iraq, and Bush=E2=80=99s recent public statements hav=
e=20
shifted the responsibility for the Iraqi insurgency from al-Qaeda to=20
Iran. Iran, Bush has declared, is killing US troops in Iraq. Thus,=20
Iran is covered under the authorization for the war in Iraq. Both Bush=20
and Cheney have made it clear in public statements that they will=20
ignore any congressional opposition to their war plans.
For example, CBS News reported (Jan. 25) that Cheney said that a=20
congressional resolution against escalating the war in Iraq "won=E2=80=99t=20
stop us." According to the Associated Press and Yahoo News, Bush=20
dismissed congressional disapproval with his statement, "I=E2=80=99m the=20
decision-maker."
Everything is in place for an attack on Iran. Two aircraft carrier=20
attack forces are deployed to the Persian Gulf, US attack aircraft=20
have been moved to Turkey and other countries on Iran=E2=80=99s borders,=20
Patriot anti-missile defense systems are being moved to the Middle=20
East to protect oil facilities and US bases from retaliation from=20
Iranian missiles, and growing reams of disinformation alleging Iran=E2=80=
=99s=20
responsibility for the insurgency in Iraq are being fed to the=20
gullible US Media.
General Ivashov and everyone in the Middle East and at the Davos=20
globalization conference in Europe understand the Bush Regime=E2=80=99s=20
agenda. Why cannot Americans understand?
Why hasn=E2=80=99t Congress told Bush and Cheney that they will both be=20
instantly impeached if they initiate a wider war?
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My scenario is that there will be a 'shock and awe' incident on=20
American troops and/or Iraqis that'll leave many, many casualties, and=20
Iran will be 'found' to be the culprit. From that point on, US=20
military forces will have a green light to neutralize the "Iranian=20
threat."
There is much enlisted military chat room chatter about the naval=20
mission and claims that at least 120 aircraft, both choppers and jets,=20
with cruise missiles, and armed Hellfire UAVs (about 30 according to=20
one anonymous source claiming to be on the John Stennis carrier) will=20
be employed in the aerial invasion. He claims the UAVs are being=20
hidden inside the carriers. One guy wrote, "It's the biggest fucking=20
air op since the Gulf War ... the towelheads in Iran are burnt=20
toast....we'll knock out their Tehran command hole with bunker=20
busters...that will leave them wide open...we're going in to take=20
their ***** government down." And he adds, "...Mahmud Allmadeenjerk=20
will get fucking barbecued."
Bravado and boasting from some 19 year olds, or is there any truth to=20
it? Hard to say...
Dr. Bipolar
On Jan 27, 7:54=C2=A0pm, "=E2=98=BA .=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7.=C2=B7:*=
=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7. =E2=99=A5 World War III 2007, The=20
Last 2000 Days...HOOROO ! .=C2=B7:*=C2=A8=C2=A8*:=C2=B7. =E2=99=A5=E2=98=
=BA=C2=A9=C2=AE=E2=84=A2"=20
<stargatedecember2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/270107Iran.htm
Bush Is About To Attack Iran
Paul Craig Roberts
Lew Rockwell.com
Saturday, January 27, 2007
The American public and the US Congress are getting their backs up
about the Bush Regime=E2=80=99s determination to escalate the war in Iraq=
.. A
massive protest demonstration is occurring in Washington DC today, and
Congress is expressing its disagreement with Bush=E2=80=99s decision to
intensify the war in Iraq.
This is all to the good. However, it misses the real issue =E2=80=93 the =
Bush
Regime=E2=80=99s looming attack on Iran.
Rather than winding down one war, Bush is starting another. The entire
world knows this and is discussing Bush=E2=80=99s planned attack on Iran =
in
many forums. It is only Americans who haven=E2=80=99t caught on. A few
senators have said that Bush must not attack Iran without the approval
of Congress, and postings on the Internet demonstrate world-wide
awareness that Iran is in the Bush Regime=E2=80=99s cross hairs. But Cong=
ress
and the Media =E2=80=93 and the demonstration in Washington =E2=80=93 are=
focused on
Iraq.
What can be done to bring American awareness up to the standard of the
rest of the world?
In Davos, Switzerland, the meeting of the World Economic Forum, a
conference where economic globalism issues are discussed, opened
January 24 with a discussion of Bush=E2=80=99s planned attack on Iran. The
Secretary General of the League of Arab States and bankers and
businessmen from such US allies as Bahrain and the United Arab
Emirates all warned of the coming attack and its catastrophic
consequences for the Middle East and the world. Writing for Global
Research (January 24), General Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the
Academy on Geopolitical Affairs and former Joint Chief of Staff of the
Russian Armies, forecast an American nuclear attack on Iran by the end
of April. General Ivashov presented the neoconservative reasoning that
is the basis for the attack and concluded that the world=E2=80=99s protes=
ts
cannot stop the US attack on Iran. There will be shock and
indignation, General Ivashov concludes, but the US will get away with
it. He writes:"Within weeks from now, we will see the informational warfa=
re machine
start working. The public opinion is already under pressure. There
will be a growing anti-Iranian militaristic hysteria, new information
leaks, disinformation, etc. . . . The probability of a US aggression
against Iran is extremely high. It does remain unclear, though,
whether the US Congress is going to authorize the war. It may take a
provocation to eliminate this obstacle (an attack on Israel or the US
targets including military bases). The scale of the provocation may be
comparable to the 9-11 attack in NY. Then the Congress will certainly
say "Yes" to the US President."
The Bush Regime has made it clear that it is convinced that Bush
already has the authority to attack Iran. The Regime argues that the
authority is part of Bush=E2=80=99s commander-in-chief powers. Congress h=
as
authorized the war in Iraq, and Bush=E2=80=99s recent public statements h=
ave
shifted the responsibility for the Iraqi insurgency from al-Qaeda to
Iran. Iran, Bush has declared, is killing US troops in Iraq. Thus,
Iran is covered under the authorization for the war in Iraq. Both Bush
and Cheney have made it clear in public statements that they will
ignore any congressional opposition to their war plans.
For example, CBS News reported (Jan. 25) that Cheney said that a
congressional resolution against escalating the war in Iraq "won=E2=80=99t
stop us." According to the Associated Press and Yahoo News, Bush
dismissed congressional disapproval with his statement, "I=E2=80=99m the
decision-maker."
Everything is in place for an attack on Iran. Two aircraft carrier
attack forces are deployed to the Persian Gulf, US attack aircraft
have been moved to Turkey and other countries on Iran=E2=80=99s borders,
Patriot anti-missile defense systems are being moved to the Middle
East to protect oil facilities and US bases from retaliation from
Iranian missiles, and growing reams of disinformation alleging Iran=E2=80=
=99s
responsibility for the insurgency in Iraq are being fed to the
gullible US Media.
General Ivashov and everyone in the Middle East and at the Davos
globalization conference in Europe understand the Bush Regime=E2=80=99s
agenda. Why cannot Americans understand?
Why hasn=E2=80=99t Congress told Bush and Cheney that they will both be
instantly impeached if they initiate a wider war?
.
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"Dr. Bipolar" <g-ra...@excite.com> wrote:
There is much enlisted military chat room chatter
about the naval mission and claims that at least
120 aircraft, both choppers and jets, with cruise
missiles, and armed Hellfire UAVs (about 30
according to one anonymous source claiming []
*Yawn*
Whether you're right or 100%, everything looks exactly
the same.
See, the military doesn't just "Wing it." They make
plans. They try to anticipate every possility, prepare
for every contingency.
Nobody in their right mind is going to invade Iraq with
120 aircraft, or even 1,200 aircraft. It's a nation of
over 70 million people, more than twice as many as
Iraq. And their military has never been humiliated the
way Iraq's military was. They had a tough time in the
begining of the Iran-Iraq war, but they had turned
things around. They were winning. They were going to
win.When international pressure -- including U.S.
involvement -- finally pushed them to the table, they
occupied Iraqi soil.
The Strait of Hormuz, dude.
We don't have to crush Iran. We don't need to topple
them the way we did Iraq. All we have to do is keep
the Strait of Hormuz open.
Well, that & protect international shipping (Read: Oil
tankers).
And, yeah, your idea of "Faking" Iranian attacks in
Iraq is equally as crazy. We don't have to fake it.
If anything pisses of Iran, it's the idea of an independent
Kurdistan. They hate the Kurds -- just like Saddam
did, just like Turkey does -- And the end result of our
invasion of Iraq will be an independent Kurdistan.
Keep your eyes on the Kurds. Eventually -- sooner
rather than later -- they are going to claim their
independence.
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On Jan 27, 11:06=C2=A0pm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Dr. Bipolar" <g-ra...@excite.com> wrote:
There is much enlisted military chat room chatter
about the naval mission and claims that at least
120 aircraft, both choppers and jets, with cruise
missiles, and armed Hellfire UAVs (about 30
according to one anonymous source claiming []*Yawn*
Whether you're right or 100%, everything looks exactly
the same.
See, the military doesn't just "Wing it." They make
plans. They try to anticipate every possility, prepare
for every contingency.
Nobody in their right mind is going to invade Iraq with
120 aircraft, or even 1,200 aircraft. It's a nation of
over 70 million people, more than twice as many as
Iraq. And their military has never been humiliated the
way Iraq's military was. They had a tough time in the
begining of the Iran-Iraq war, but they had turned
things around. They were winning. They were going to
win.When international pressure -- including U.S.
involvement -- finally pushed them to the table, they
occupied Iraqi soil.
I'm passing along some chatter to show the psychology at work with our=20
military enlisted. I made it clear I'm not necessarily believing what=20
some 19 year olds are possibly fantasizing about. They may know no=20
more than anyone. I'm not even sure they're enlisted and serving on=20
the ships. Could be all BS. But you know about BS, don't you? You=20
engage in plenty of it here. Am I to believe you NOW, or am I to think=20
you're playing another prank for your amusement?
The Strait of Hormuz, dude.
We don't have to crush Iran. We don't need to topple
them the way we did Iraq. All we have to do is keep
the Strait of Hormuz open.
Well, that & protect international shipping (Read: =C2=A0Oil
tankers).
And, yeah, your idea of "Faking" Iranian attacks in
Iraq is equally as crazy. We don't have to fake it.
If anything pisses of Iran, it's the idea of an independent
Kurdistan. They hate the Kurds -- just like Saddam
did, just like Turkey does -- And the end result of our
invasion of Iraq will be an independent Kurdistan.
Oh, you mean we never set up incidents by deliberate agitation, or=20
carry our any kind of conspiratorial plans, ever?? LOL! You're crazy,=20
fella, if you are so deluded to think that Machiavellianism is a=20
fantasy, for example. Humans, by their very nature, get together in=20
secrecy and plan all kinds of things and cover those plans. IF the=20
stakes are high enough, they'll engineer an incident to set into=20
motion other events they desire to occur to accomplish their aims. And=20
the stakes are certainly very high.
Keep your eyes on the Kurds. Eventually -- sooner
rather than later -- they are going to claim their
independence.
Well, so what? Too bad they didn't 'claim' their independence before=20
Bush occupied. Could've saved a lot of American lives. But, what the=20
*****, might as well wait for some crazy corporate Christian to come=20
along and liberate 'em. And then they can have the war among=20
themselves while we occupy, providing all sides with foreign targets.
You just keep pluggin' the dolls' orifices and don't worry yourself=20
over such things....Jesus will be back and straighten us all out.
LOL!
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"Dr. Bipolar" <g-ra...@excite.com> wrote:
Am I to believe you NOW, or am I to think
you're playing another prank for your amusement?
There's nothing I stated here which couldn't be verified
by someone with internet access and a few brain cells.
Oh, you mean we never set up incidents by deliberate
agitation, or carry our any kind of conspiratorial plans,
ever?? LOL! You're crazy, fella,
As I pointed out, that's unnecessary.
The Iranians are -- and always have been (even in the
days of the Shah) -- hostile towards Kurdish
independence. The Iranians did -- past tense --
threaten to blockade the Strait of Hormuz if we imposed
sanctions.
The Kurds are going to declare independence. Heck,
they've been operating themselves as an independent
nation for years already! We did successfully push
sanctions against Iran through the U.N.
The Iranians have, in one sense or another, been in
Iraq longer than we have. Iranian-backed Islamic
militants have been inside Iraq for a very long time.
Up until Bush's invasion, they were fighting to overthrow
Saddam and install an Iranian-style Islamic government.
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On Jan 28, 9:39=EF=BF=BDam, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Kurds are going to declare independence. Heck,
they've been operating themselves as an independent
nation for years already! =A0We did successfully push
sanctions against Iran through the U.N.
The Iranians have, in one sense or another, been in
Iraq longer than we have.
What's any of this got to do with you?
Meddle, invade, interfere....stay in your own Disney culture.
You wonder why the world hates you? Christ but you're thick.
Werewolfy
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"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
What's any of this got to do with you?
I'm sorry, did you think you have a point?
Now that's pathetic!
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On Jan 29, 2:50?am, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
What's any of this got to do with you?I'm sorry, did you think you have a point?
Now that's pathetic!
Yes. I have a very good point. I wonder why you fail to see it?
America is a meddling Nation that makes little secret of it's desire
for World Domination. You don't 'help' other Countries, you invade
them, pour money into them, use them in any way you can to further
your own causes.
'Land of the Free'...That's quite a joke. You can't see that you are a
repressed people too..Big Brother is always watching.
No, carry on with your Disney Culture JTEM. Just ensure it remains
confined within your own boundaries. You have already poisoned most of
the world with your vile fast food chains, replete with red-nosed
clowns, selling inedible meat rolls.
Get out of Iraq. You have no business there. While you are at it, get
out of my face before you have a screwdriver pushed into your fucking
eyeball.
Yankee trash.
Werewolfy
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"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yes. I have a very good point.
Let's see....
Britain invented the Concentration Camp to use against
it's enemies in the Boar War.
Britain divided the middle east and Africa -- drew the
borders -- throwing unlike groups together without
regard for their wishes.
Tony Blair was 100% behind an invasion of Iraq, even
before Bush stole office. And it wasn't just Tony Blair.
They had one of Churchill's grand (great grand?) pups
making all the TV news show rounds here, representing
British conservatives & showering Blair with praise....
And it's all America's fault.
British soldiers caught dressed as Arabs, in a car full
of explosives, and we can only blame America for the
unpopular mess that is Iraq.
I'd call you a fool, but then I'd have to apologize to all
the fools who were insulted....
I wonder why you fail to see it?
America is a meddling Nation that makes little secret of it's desire
for World Domination. You don't 'help' other Countries, you invade
them, pour money into them, use them in any way you can to further
your own causes.
'Land of the Free'...That's quite a joke. You can't see that you are a
repressed people too..Big Brother is always watching.
No, carry on with your Disney Culture JTEM. Just ensure it remains
confined within your own boundaries. You have already poisoned most of
the world with your vile fast food chains, replete with red-nosed
clowns, selling inedible meat rolls.
Get out of Iraq. You have no business there. While you are at it, get
out of my face before you have a screwdriver pushed into your fucking
eyeball.
Yankee trash.
Werewolfy
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170099027.241814.161700@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yes. I have a very good point.
Let's see....
Britain invented the Concentration Camp to use against
it's enemies in the Boar War.
Britain divided the middle east and Africa -- drew the
borders -- throwing unlike groups together without
regard for their wishes.
Tony Blair was 100% behind an invasion of Iraq, even
before Bush stole office. And it wasn't just Tony Blair.
They had one of Churchill's grand (great grand?) pups
making all the TV news show rounds here, representing
British conservatives & showering Blair with praise....
And it's all America's fault..
British soldiers caught dressed as Arabs, in a car full
of explosives, and we can only blame America for the
unpopular mess that is Iraq.
I'd call you a fool, but then I'd have to apologize to all
the fools who were insulted....
If you ever get past putting self-defeating human behavior into the
confines of national boundaries, then you'll progress beyond the point
that most haven't.
America is failing not because its ideals, laws, infrastructure, etc., are
inherently bad, but because human behavior is.
That is why, you doll molester, I say America is going down. It is not
hatred for the system per se, as it is disgust with the species'
shortcomings. But, realistically, some social, economic, political, and
religious systems engender more of that bad behaviour than others.
America's opulent, fantasy-oriented, wasteful culture appeals to the
narcissist, the hedonist, the materialist that is in our nature, and even
to the hatefulness and violence in us, particularly the male gender, with
fascination with, and glorification of warfare, sadism, and various forms
of extreme violence.
You can find other cultures in history and in the world today that don't
have the level of these negative behavioral characteristics as America
does, present in them, as one can clearly see in Canada, for example.
No, America isn't the root of all evil, nor is Iran, nor was the
USSR...etc. These are cultural vehicles the insane nasty little bipeds
ride along in through history, but some are more malevolent than others.
Now...please go back to your dolls, they are eagerly awaiting your
pneumatic presence.
Docrodile :)~
I wonder why you fail to see it?
America is a meddling Nation that makes little secret of it's desire
for World Domination. You don't 'help' other Countries, you invade
them, pour money into them, use them in any way you can to further
your own causes.
'Land of the Free'...That's quite a joke. You can't see that you are a
repressed people too..Big Brother is always watching.
No, carry on with your Disney Culture JTEM. Just ensure it remains
confined within your own boundaries. You have already poisoned most of
the world with your vile fast food chains, replete with red-nosed
clowns, selling inedible meat rolls.
Get out of Iraq. You have no business there. While you are at it, get
out of my face before you have a screwdriver pushed into your fucking
eyeball.
Yankee trash.
Werewolfy
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"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
America is failing not because its ideals, laws,
infrastructure, etc., are inherently bad, but
because human behavior is.
I was about to tell you how wrong you are -- with rolling
every 'R' full on -- when I realized that I'd have to agree
with you at some level.
What's wrong with America is that the people with the
power & responsibility to fix problems won't. They
refuse. Because they are short sighted. Because they
don't care. Because they cash in on bad policies.
I have a friend who's older than me. He's in his late
40s already. And though he's never in his life had a
salary as high as 40K, he's determined to make a
fortune in the stock market.
He watches a lot of those investment shows. Anyhow,
I was over his place one night talking to him, the TV
in the background, when I notice what the investment
guru is saying. He was talking about some kind of
investment which he described as basically worthless.
He was talking about timing... when to buy... making
sure you sell before it slides.... and I couldn't help
but feel disgusted. In no uncertain terms this guy was
talking about cheating people. This was nothing short
of an organized, legalized con scam.
I forget what exactly the investment was -- I hadn't
been paying attention -- but there's no way to doll it
up. This guy was saying that you buy a worthless
piece of paper, hold on to it for a short time, then
sell it to someone else whom you believe will be
stuck holding a worthless investment -- and losing
all their money.
My friend -- a Baptist who has on occasion called
evolution into question -- explained it to me. He
said that you're supposed to research these things,
educate yourself, and if you don't and get stuck
then it's your fault.
What con artists doesn't say the same thing?
What does all this have to do with the current state
of America?
Gee, who runs Wall Street? The powerless little
people who have little money and even less pull
inside the government?
Guess again.
The people at the very top in America, the richest
of the rich, the movers & shakers, the ones who
have the cash to influence politicians & even whole
parties... they are deviod of all morals.
I don't have to tell you about the Bush family. Dubya
and his baseball team scam... his brother and the
Silverado Savings & Loan... his grandparents and the
Nazi assets they protected....
But what about everyone else? What about all the
hundreds -- if not thousands -- of equally corrupt
familes that lined up for a chance to bring in a Bush
or some other big name into a deal in order to protect
them?
If you run a savings & loan and want to steal, bring
in one of the Bush boys and invite him to stuff his
pockets too. That way the Bush's have to protect
you. If you go down, the Bush boy goes down with
you...
It's not just the Bush's, either. They're simply unusually
stupid, airing their corruption within full view.
That is why, you doll molester, I say America is going down. It is not
hatred for the system per se, as it is disgust with the species'
shortcomings. But, realistically, some social, economic, political, and
religious systems engender more of that bad behaviour than others.
America's opulent, fantasy-oriented, wasteful culture appeals to the
narcissist, the hedonist, the materialist that is in our nature, and even
to the hatefulness and violence in us, particularly the male gender, with
fascination with, and glorification of warfare, sadism, and various forms
of extreme violence.
You can find other cultures in history and in the world today that don't
have the level of these negative behavioral characteristics as America
does, present in them, as one can clearly see in Canada, for example.
No, America isn't the root of all evil, nor is Iran, nor was the
USSR...etc. These are cultural vehicles the insane nasty little bipeds
ride along in through history, but some are more malevolent than others.
Now...please go back to your dolls, they are eagerly awaiting your
pneumatic presence.
Docrodile :)~
I wonder why you fail to see it?
America is a meddling Nation that makes little secret of it's desire
for World Domination. You don't 'help' other Countries, you invade
them, pour money into them, use them in any way you can to further
your own causes.
'Land of the Free'...That's quite a joke. You can't see that you are a
repressed people too..Big Brother is always watching.
No, carry on with your Disney Culture JTEM. Just ensure it remains
confined within your own boundaries. You have already poisoned most of
the world with your vile fast food chains, replete with red-nosed
clowns, selling inedible meat rolls.
Get out of Iraq. You have no business there. While you are at it, get
out of my face before you have a screwdriver pushed into your fucking
eyeball.
Yankee trash.
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On Jan 29, 8:32 pm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
America is failing not because its ideals, laws,
infrastructure, etc., are inherently bad, but
because human behavior is.
I was about to tell you how wrong you are -- with rolling
every 'R' full on -- when I realized that I'd have to agree
with you at some level.
I was wondering how long it would take you to realize you're just a
younger version of Doc. Just look at Doc's actions on this group, and
realize that will be you in a few years.
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29 Jan 2007 11:41:15 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering how long it would take you to realize
you're just a younger version of Doc. Just look at
Doc's actions on this group, and realize that will be
you in a few years.
I'm not going to even ask what brought this on...
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> Spat the
Words
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering how long it would take you to realize
you're just a younger version of Doc. Just look at
Doc's actions on this group, and realize that will be
you in a few years.
I'm not going to even ask what brought this on...
Whenever Stephen sees a rolling monologue that spans more
than 5 paragraphs he gets chills, thinks of the good doctor,
sometimes awakens from a deep slumber with cold sweat.
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30 Jan 2007 08:32:52 AM |
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On Jan 29, 9:41 pm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering how long it would take you to realize
you're just a younger version of Doc. Just look at
Doc's actions on this group, and realize that will be
you in a few years.
I'm not going to even ask what brought this on...
Well, since you didn't ask, I won't tell you that I have wondered why
you two argue all the time when you share a political point of view,
and you both like to write long-winded posts outlining your political
point of view. Why don't you actually look at what the other has to
say, and you might figure out that you're exactly the same?
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30 Jan 2007 02:07:22 PM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 29, 9:41 pm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Steven Douglas" <dste...@flashmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering how long it would take you to realize
you're just a younger version of Doc. Just look at
Doc's actions on this group, and realize that will be
you in a few years.
I'm not going to even ask what brought this on...
Well, since you didn't ask, I won't tell you that I have wondered why
you two argue all the time when you share a political point of view,
and you both like to write long-winded posts outlining your political
point of view. Why don't you actually look at what the other has to
say, and you might figure out that you're exactly the same?
Wow! You're not only full of *****, you're full of ingenuous
wonderment, too.
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02 Feb 2007 02:17:17 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Docrodile"
<swampthing@hellsbayou.net> Spat the Words
Well, since you didn't ask, I won't tell you that I have wondered why
you two argue all the time when you share a political point of view,
and you both like to write long-winded posts outlining your political
point of view. Why don't you actually look at what the other has to
say, and you might figure out that you're exactly the same?
Wow! You're not only full of *****, you're full of ingenuous
wonderment, too.
Stephen demonstrates the resplendent abandonment of ingenuity.
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02 Feb 2007 02:15:43 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dsteven@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
I'm not going to even ask what brought this on...
Well, since you didn't ask, I won't tell you that I have wondered why
you two argue all the time when you share a political point of view,
There you go. It's not all about politics Stephen. This is
where your assumptions about life, people, the universe, and
everything, have been a disservice to you.
Assumption is the mother of all *****-ups. For example, when
was the last time god specifically told you he wished for you
to be narrow-minded and abandon critical thinking ? You just
assumed he wanted you to be this way because 'all the other
religious zealots are doing it'.
Well Stephen, I have news for you, god does not want you to
appear ignorant to your fellow humans.
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On Feb 2, 12:15 pm, Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Steven Douglas"
<dste...@flashmail.com> Spat the Words
I'm not going to even ask what brought this on...
Well, since you didn't ask, I won't tell you that I have wondered why
you two argue all the time when you share a political point of view,
There you go. It's not all about politics Stephen. This is
where your assumptions about life, people, the universe, and
everything, have been a disservice to you.
Assumption is the mother of all *****-ups. For example, when
was the last time god specifically told you he wished for you
to be narrow-minded and abandon critical thinking ? You just
assumed he wanted you to be this way because 'all the other
religious zealots are doing it'.
Well Stephen, I have news for you, god does not want you to
appear ignorant to your fellow humans.
Do you believe in God?
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30 Jan 2007 05:27:28 AM |
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"Steven Douglas" <dsteven@flashmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 29, 8:32 pm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
America is failing not because its ideals, laws,
infrastructure, etc., are inherently bad, but
because human behavior is.
I was about to tell you how wrong you are -- with rolling
every 'R' full on -- when I realized that I'd have to agree
with you at some level.
I was wondering how long it would take you to realize you're just a
younger version of Doc. Just look at Doc's actions on this group, and
realize that will be you in a few years.
Hahahaahaha! ;))
I think you should, instead, worry about where you are NOW, Stevie, and
how close you are to a prolonged stay on the funny farm.
JTEM is a serial doll rapist. He can't help himself. He's hopelessly lost.
Your perversions, however, are serviceable by the mental health community.
Seek help before Satan takes receipt of your miserable soul.
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29 Jan 2007 03:17:00 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yes. I have a very good point.
Let's see....
Britain invented the Concentration Camp to use against
it's enemies in the Boar War.
Britain divided the middle east and Africa -- drew the
borders -- throwing unlike groups together without
regard for their wishes.
Tony Blair was 100% behind an invasion of Iraq, even
before Bush stole office. And it wasn't just Tony Blair.
They had one of Churchill's grand (great grand?) pups
making all the TV news show rounds here, representing
British conservatives & showering Blair with praise....
And it's all America's fault.
British soldiers caught dressed as Arabs, in a car full
of explosives, and we can only blame America for the
unpopular mess that is Iraq.
I'd call you a fool, but then I'd have to apologize to all
the fools who were insulted....
I wonder why you fail to see it?
Yep, it IS all America's fault, and has been since 16 July 1945. Since that
early morning in the New Mexico desert, it's been all our fault. Totally.
Irrevokably. WE commissioned the creation of the Ultimate Weapon. WE
deployed it on Japan within a month's time of its successful testing. WE let
the technology slip to the rest of the world, to create the perpetual cycle
of 'Fear of Total War' that drives our economy, and the economies of the
rest of the industrialized world. It's ALL OUR FAULT. Now, through
complacency and greed, WE let a monster get control of the reins of
government, and he is about to fulfill prophecy on a terrible scale only
imagined in our ancestors worst nightmares, and it's all OUR fault. Uranium
enrichment is an industrial process on a large scale. Do you have any idea
what will happen when a 'tactical' weapon is deployed on an underground
facility? It won't be neat and tidy, that's for sure. A 10 kiloton device
will put the entire facility into the stratosphere as highly radioactive
particles. Along with the fission byproducts of the device, there will be
tons of raw materials; ie uranium and it's byproducts, in the mix. Once this
gets to the stratosphere, it will be carried thousands of miles downwind,
and take months at least to drift down to the top of the weather layer where
it will be washed out onto the ground. Chernobyl will be a picnic in
comparison. China is downwind of Iran, how do you think they will respond
to the contamination of their farmland which barely feeds their population
as it is? China has lots of missiles that can reach the US, and Big Bombs to
go on top of them. What are the odds that they might just want a little
payback? Probably better than even money. I wonder why you fail to see this.
Charly
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29 Jan 2007 05:16:23 PM |
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On Jan 29, 7:30?pm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Britain invented the Concentration Camp to use against
it's enemies in the Boar War.
Why do you insist on fighting male pigs?
Have you not been paying attention?
Write out a thousand times
"The Dutch African settlers are known as BOERS. Male pigs are known as
BOARS.
Yet again you have to be told a simple fact. It wouldn't be so bad,
were it not for my pointing this same thing out to you only a week or
so ago.
Are you working at looking foolish? If you are, it's reasonably
successful.
Werewolfy
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29 Jan 2007 09:21:27 AM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1170065843.749458.165080@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 2:50?am, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
What's any of this got to do with you?I'm sorry, did you think you
have a point?
Now that's pathetic!
Yes. I have a very good point. I wonder why you fail to see it?
America is a meddling Nation that makes little secret of it's desire
for World Domination. You don't 'help' other Countries, you invade
them, pour money into them, use them in any way you can to further
your own causes.
'Land of the Free'...That's quite a joke. You can't see that you are a
repressed people too..Big Brother is always watching.
No, carry on with your Disney Culture JTEM. Just ensure it remains
confined within your own boundaries. You have already poisoned most of
the world with your vile fast food chains, replete with red-nosed
clowns, selling inedible meat rolls.
Get out of Iraq. You have no business there. While you are at it, get
out of my face before you have a screwdriver pushed into your fucking
eyeball.
Yankee trash.
Werewolfy
A long time ago, when I was naive in my early teens, I thought America was
the proverbial 'cat's meow' and could do no wrong. By the time I was in my
later teens, I no longer thought the nation was anything but another
version of a failed, tyrannical empire such as Rome, or Egypt.
Now, so many years later, I think I must've had some kind of miraculous
insight bestowed upon me...perhaps it was the acid. (heeheeheehee...) In
any case, I'm so grateful I don't live in abject ignorance like so many
I've encountered over the decades here.
That knowledge, though, has been a double-edged sword, as so many things
are in life. Since the great majority continue to buy into the
corporate-governmental tyranny's propaganda and lifestyle, I've endured
lots of hostile, paranoid, and vigorous "cult members" who basically have
one crystal-clear message, "America -- love it or leave it." Not really
loving it, but not necessarily taking their advice, I left it for months
and lived in British Columbia with some friends. One of my biggest
mistakes in my life was coming back. Later, health problems ensued, and
various personal and financial messes occurred, and...well...here I am,
sick and ailing, depressed, nearly broke, and living, with much diffculty,
amongst the rabid, stupid cultists.
After 9/11, the cultists went ape-berserk, as you folks in other nations
observed with great alarm, and became the "holy crusaders" for "truth,
freedom, democracy, and the American way" in the Mideast, and other
regions where opportunities for commercial exploitation seemed worth the
armed conflict, if economic coercion, and/or political subversion, didn't
work.
I now know, without any doubt whatsoever, that America's ruling class and
much of its ordinary citizenry, comprise essentially an "evil empire" hell
bent on dominating the world in a variety of ways, but that, curiously, I
feel some satisfaction to know it hasn't that long of a shelf life left.
I say it's a curious feeling because I will have to suffer or die in its
waning days, which I know have begun in earnest.
We are basically, mostly trash, Wolfy. You are right, generally. There are
some, however, in a minority to be sure, that work against the trash every
day, in many ways, some subtle, others blatant. The trash is nearly ruling
the planet, though, and we know from even a cursory reading of
civilizational history, the trash will be buried some day ...and
hopefully, rising in its place, something more sane and workable, more
caring and responsible, more peaceful and lasting...not a starry-eyed
utopia, by any means, but a civilization that understands and acknowledges
its shortcomings and whatever 'evil' it has in it (rather than
hyprocritically positioning itself as "lambs among the wolves"), and tries
harder to co-exist with others, and all living things, as a cooperative,
non-violent, non-exploitative, non-judgemental, somewhat humbled culture
of reasonably intelligent, rational, creative, loving people. May be a
pipe dream, I know, but it's my fervent hope...
That is why I chose to name my blog site, Utopian Republic News (URN) --
the title is both a reflection of that hope and a sardonic swipe at those
who erroneously think that they are already living in a utopia! The icon,
an urn, represents the ashes of a failed civilization we have now, soon to
be buried, and the horizon beyond (that is pictured) and behind it,
represents the hope and promise of a new fresh beginning for us.
Now, I must check my front and back door again to make sure they are
locked and bolted...and turn on the cable news channel to get the latest
dose of lies, fear-mongering, arrogance, sex scandals, corruption, insane
leaders, materialistic obsessions, and the overriding twisted myopia of a
culture with its collective swelled head up its *****.
LOL!!
Docrodile >;))~
http://utopianrepublicnews.blogspot.com
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On Jan 29, 3:21?pm, "Docrodile" <swampth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Now, I must check my front and back door again to make sure they are
locked and bolted...and turn on the cable news channel to get the latest
dose of lies, fear-mongering, arrogance, sex scandals, corruption, insane
leaders, materialistic obsessions, and the overriding twisted myopia of a
culture with its collective swelled head up its *****.
It's a pity I am not eligible to vote in the US, and you are reluctant
to stand for Office.
I know were I should put the cross on the ballot paper now. Gosh but
your Senate would be a merry place with you around!...;)
Werewolfy
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"Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1170065843.749458.165080@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 2:50?am, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
What's any of this got to do with you?I'm sorry, did you think you have
a point?
Now that's pathetic!
Yes. I have a very good point. I wonder why you fail to see it?
America is a meddling Nation that makes little secret of it's desire
for World Domination. You don't 'help' other Countries, you invade
them, pour money into them, use them in any way you can to further
your own causes.
'Land of the Free'...That's quite a joke. You can't see that you are a
repressed people too..Big Brother is always watching.
No, carry on with your Disney Culture JTEM. Just ensure it remains
confined within your own boundaries. You have already poisoned most of
the world with your vile fast food chains, replete with red-nosed
clowns, selling inedible meat rolls.
Get out of Iraq. You have no business there. While you are at it, get
out of my face before you have a screwdriver pushed into your fucking
eyeball.
Yankee trash.
Werewolfy
Hehehe. Wolfy, ever honest, ever direct. Hats off to ya there, mate.
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Hehehe. ?Wolfy, ever honest, ever direct. ?Hats off to ya there,
mate.-
Oh..."blushes" John...;)
I did make my screwdriver available though. Useful things,
screwdrivers...;)
Werewolfy
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