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France is a big smelly cheese in the world’s grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
AH, CHRISTMASTIME. Joy to the world. God bless us, everyone. Through the
rapturous din of carols and chimes, a stray condemnatory note can be heard,
chastising the yuletide revelers for being too materialistic, too concerned
with gifts that come wrapped in pretty paper and shiny bows.
Who can help but sympathize with such concerns, as the groaning hordes of
shoppers appear like Huns outside the doors of Wal-Mart?
That is why I am so grateful for a special Christmas present — holiday
present, if you must — for the whole world. No mere thing or shiny bauble,
this present is an idea, glowing with an ecumenism that fires the mind and
illuminates the heart, uniting nearly all mankind in fellowship.
What idea is that? Why, the total destruction of France, of course.
No, no, I don’t mean — or want — to kill the French people and salt the
earth where they live. That would be wrong.
I mean the destruction of France as an idea, as a shining fromagerie on a hill,
serving as a beacon of asininity to left-wing radicals and a siren to
kleptocratic Third World dictators, who, after a career of mass murder, want
decent medical care, a good lawyer and a fresh croissant.
Two new books are out that attack the cheese-eating surrender monkeys from two
of France’s three most vulnerable sides, facts and logic (the third
vulnerability, duh, is its border with Germany).
For centuries France has claimed a monopoly on political virtue by glomming all
the credit for the Enlightenment, and by pretending to be its anointed
protector throughout history. Gertrude Himmelfarb demolishes the first part of
this myth in her scintillating intellectual history “The Roads to Modernity:
The British, French and American Enlightenments.”
The Enlightenment was that moment when mankind allegedly first threw off the
shackles of superstition, tribalism and tyranny, and embraced reason, universal
human rights and democracy.
Personally, my own view on debates over the Enlightenment can be summarized by
Mike Myers’ Scottish crank character from “So I Married an Axe Murderer”:
“If it’s not Scottish, it’s crap.”
Himmelfarb updates this ancient wisdom by persuasively placing the Scottish
Enlightenment under the rubric of the British Enlightenment, so as to join
Edmund Burke and Adam Smith in a single tradition.
She also adds another Enlightenment, the American, to the mix as well. The
French have long tried to claim that the American Revolution is merely an
offshoot of the French Enlightenment project. Himmelfarb disagrees. She shows
that the French took a different road to modernity than the Anglo-Americans,
who took similar but slightly different routes.
The British valued virtue more than liberty, the Americans had it the other way
around.
But where the French differed is that they sought to replace the religion of
old Europe with a new cult of reason. They even made Notre Dame Cathedral into
a “Temple of Reason.”
By making a religion out of politics, with the state at its center, the French
never embraced liberty the way Anglo-Americans did. It was this legacy which
lent intellectual heft to all the great dictators, Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler
and Stalin.
My friend and colleague John Miller picks up the story basically where
Himmelfarb leaves off. In “Our Oldest Enemy,” he and his co-writer Mark
Molesky debunk the mythology that America and France were anything like sister
republics fighting side by side in lady liberty’s defense.
Yes, the French throne — not the Enlightenment philosophes — helped us out
during the American Revolution, but that was a calculated attempt to give
Britain a wedgie.
But before that — during the French and Indian War — and almost ever after,
the French have practiced a nasty Realpolitik towards America and the world.
The French supported the Confederacy in the Civil War, and let’s not count
how many Frenchmen supported the Germans — and the Holocaust.
Suffice it to say, the Hollywood version of French heroism leaves a lot to be
desired. “Next to the weather,” Gen. Eisenhower lamented, “[the French]
have caused me more trouble in this war than any single factor.”
Eisenhower’s lament was perfectly consistent with our entire history with
France, as Miller and Molesky relentlessly document.
During the Cold War, de Gaulle was always more of a hassle than a help.
France’s opposition to the Iraq war had a soupcon of principle in a kettle of
cynicism and oil-for-food petrodollars.
Indeed, we forget that the phrase “millions for defense, not one cent for
tribute” stemmed from America’s refusal to acquiesce to French shakedowns
during the XYZ Affair.
Indeed, the most annoying irony is that while they ribbit a big game about
bringing liberty and civilization to the world, France’s record is one of
sowing the seeds of tyranny and corruption almost everywhere they’ve planted
their flag. Meanwhile, Britain’s former colonies are mostly moving in
freedom’s direction.
So joy to the world, and down with the French! But I repeat myself.
Jonah Goldberg is the online editor of National Review
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(TonyZ2001) wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the world’s grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
<Snipped the *****-eating Jewish filth.>
Le sale Juif mange la merde, Tony aussi. The dirty Jew eats *****, and
so does Tony.
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27 Dec 2004 12:03:27 PM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
....and if that's what the French are what do you suppose the yanks are
pantyboy?
You filthy scumbag!
WH
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28 Dec 2004 05:32:45 AM |
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WH"
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the Euro's cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Tony
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28 Dec 2004 08:31:37 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the Euro's cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
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28 Dec 2004 08:46:59 AM |
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Woods
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the Euro's
cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
Wrong.
I am pointing out how Europe cried for the USA to help them do something that
they were incapable of doing.
Tony
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28 Dec 2004 08:57:46 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the
Euro's
cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
Wrong.
I am pointing out how Europe cried for the USA to help them do something
that
they were incapable of doing.
Tony
Yeah, and maybe the US should have "cried" for the French when they "needed"
the correct intelligence on Iraq. After all, the smelly cheeses had it
right from the beginning.
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29 Dec 2004 08:05:36 AM |
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John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041228094659.06305.00001712@mb-m27.aol.com...
Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the
Euro's
cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
Wrong.
I am pointing out how Europe cried for the USA to help them do something
that
they were incapable of doing.
Tony
Yeah, and maybe the US should have "cried" for the French when they "needed"
the correct intelligence on Iraq. After all, >the smelly cheeses had it
right from the beginning.
Hey Clown, The French and German intelligence services said that Iraq possesed
WMD prior to the war.
Tony
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29 Dec 2004 08:30:30 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041229090536.06280.00001930@mb-m26.aol.com...
John F Lemke" <jflemke@LocalLink.net>
wrote:
Yeah, and maybe the US should have "cried" for the French when they
"needed"
the correct intelligence on Iraq. After all, >the smelly cheeses had it
right from the beginning.
Hey Clown, The French and German intelligence services said that Iraq
possesed
WMD prior to the war.
Tony
Ha, and every now and then the insurgents set off an old sarin shell by
mistake. I guess the Germans and the French were right then. We really had
to invade to take care of that imminent threat.
Go back and read the transcripts of what the French said in the Security
Council in the winter of '03. They had it right in advance. The
documentation from the weapons inspectors had it right in advance, that
information was disregarded. It all agrees with the post-invasion
investigations.
You miss all this, Tony, when all you have is a twenty second World Nut
Daily attention span.
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31 Dec 2004 07:46:02 AM |
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John F Lemke"
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
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John F Lemke" < >
wrote:
Yeah, and maybe the US should have "cried" for the French when they
"needed"
the correct intelligence on Iraq. After all, >the smelly cheeses had it
right from the beginning.
Hey Clown, The French and German intelligence services said that Iraq
possesed
WMD prior to the war.
Tony
Ha, and every now and then the insurgents set off an old sarin shell by
mistake. I guess the Germans and the >French were right then. We really had
to invade to take care of that imminent >threat.
Go back and read the transcripts of what >the French said in the Security
Council in the winter of '03. They had it >right in advance.
Winter of 03 you say? We went into Iraq in March of 03. The French and Germans
offered ZERO evidence showing that Iraq was free of WMD prior to the war.
The documentation from the weapons >inspectors had it right in advance, that
information was disregarded. It all agrees >with the post-invasion
investigations.
Wrong. Even in early March of 03 Hans Blix said that there were tons of WMD
unaccounted for.
Tony
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01 Jan 2005 06:56:48 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041231084602.06631.00001647@mb-m24.aol.com...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041229090536.06280.00001930@mb-m26.aol.com...
John F Lemke" < >
wrote:
Yeah, and maybe the US should have "cried" for the French when they
"needed"
the correct intelligence on Iraq. After all, >the smelly cheeses had
it
right from the beginning.
Hey Clown, The French and German intelligence services said that Iraq
possesed
WMD prior to the war.
Tony
Ha, and every now and then the insurgents set off an old sarin shell by
mistake. I guess the Germans and the >French were right then. We really
had
to invade to take care of that imminent >threat.
Go back and read the transcripts of what >the French said in the Security
Council in the winter of '03. They had it >right in advance.
Winter of 03 you say? We went into Iraq in March of 03. The French and
Germans
offered ZERO evidence showing that Iraq was free of WMD prior to the war.
Wrong. Even in early March of 03 Hans Blix said that there were tons of
WMD
unaccounted for.
Tony
Tony learn something about politics. Hans Blix is a very clever politician,
he said "There are unanswered questions." He did not say Iraq had "Tons of
Weapons."
It was the Americans (E.G. Your government.) who kept saying that Saddam was
lying, and had "Tons of Weapons."
Blix simply said, he did not know and he wanted to be sure, he even said he
had not found any weapons or evidence of weapons.
I know this maybe hard for you Tony, but try to read what Blix actually
says, and not mistake it for what you want him to have said
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/14/sprj.irq.un/
Daniel
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01 Jan 2005 06:15:23 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041231084602.06631.00001647@mb-m24.aol.com...
John F Lemke"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041229090536.06280.00001930@mb-m26.aol.com...
John F Lemke" < >
wrote:
Yeah, and maybe the US should have "cried" for the French when they
"needed"
the correct intelligence on Iraq. After all, >the smelly cheeses had
it
right from the beginning.
Hey Clown, The French and German intelligence services said that Iraq
possesed
WMD prior to the war.
Tony
Ha, and every now and then the insurgents set off an old sarin shell by
mistake. I guess the Germans and the >French were right then. We really
had
to invade to take care of that imminent >threat.
Go back and read the transcripts of what >the French said in the Security
Council in the winter of '03. They had it >right in advance.
Winter of 03 you say? We went into Iraq in March of 03. The French and
Germans
offered ZERO evidence showing that Iraq was free of WMD prior to the war.
Wrong. Even in early March of 03 Hans Blix said that there were tons of
WMD
unaccounted for.
Tony
Tony learn something about politics. Hans Blix is a very clever politician,
he said "There are unanswered questions." He did not say Iraq had "Tons of
Weapons."
It was the Americans (E.G. Your government.) who kept saying that Saddam was
lying, and had "Tons of Weapons."
Blix simply said, he did not know and he wanted to be sure, he even said he
had not found any weapons or evidence of weapons.
I know this maybe hard for you Tony, but try to read what Blix actually
says, and not mistake it for what you want him to have said
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/14/sprj.irq.un/
Daniel
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28 Dec 2004 09:31:00 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the Euro's
cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
Wrong.
I am pointing out how Europe cried for the USA to help them do something that
they were incapable of doing.
Your hypocrisy notwithstanding .... it wasn't long before Duhbya was
crying for Europe to help him do something that he is incapable of doing
- stabilizing the country he invaded. Let's see, just how long did it
take before he went whining to the UN for support - 6 months, maybe?
Woods
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29 Dec 2004 08:08:40 AM |
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Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the Euro's
cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
Wrong.
I am pointing out how Europe cried for the USA to help them do something
that
they were incapable of doing.
Your hypocrisy notwithstanding .... it wasn't long before Duhbya was
crying for Europe to help him do something that he is incapable of doing
- stabilizing the country he invaded. Let's see, just how long did it
take before he went whining to the UN for >support - 6 months, maybe?
Woods
You've got it wrong dear.
The President was pressured politically to open Iraq up to those who didn't
want to join us in the beginning. Bush made the offer, and also made it know
that those who refused would be left out of the rebuilding of Iraq.
President Bush didn't go begging for help because we couldn't handle the
problem as Europe did with Kosovo.
Had it not been for the USA, Kosovo would have exploded into a full scale
regional war involving Greese, Turkey and others.
Tony
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29 Dec 2004 08:38:48 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the Euro's
cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
Wrong.
I am pointing out how Europe cried for the USA to help them do something
that
they were incapable of doing.
Your hypocrisy notwithstanding .... it wasn't long before Duhbya was
crying for Europe to help him do something that he is incapable of doing
- stabilizing the country he invaded. Let's see, just how long did it
take before he went whining to the UN for >support - 6 months, maybe?
Woods
You've got it wrong dear.
The President was pressured politically to open Iraq up to those who didn't
want to join us in the beginning. Bush made the offer, and also made it know
that those who refused would be left out of the rebuilding of Iraq.
President Bush didn't go begging for help because we couldn't handle the
problem as Europe did with Kosovo.
Where were you when Bush went whining to the UN for help?
Had it not been for the USA, Kosovo would have exploded into a full scale
regional war involving Greese, Turkey and others.
Well, that's certainly a different picture than what you were claiming
about Clinton earlier. Glad to see that you've finally seen the light
on that one.
Woods
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31 Dec 2004 07:43:00 AM |
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Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Woods
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
WH"
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
France is a big smelly cheese in the >>world's grocery
By JONAH GOLDBERG
...and if that's what the French are what >do you suppose the yanks are
You want to know who the Yanks are? The Yanks are the ones that the
Euro's
cry
to when they need help, when things get too hot too handle.
Kosovo was just the most recent such affair.
Interesting how sometimes Kosovo was exactly like Iraq, where Clinton
went in on his own, when it suits Tony - and a desperate situation that
required immediate intervention when *that* suits him.
Woods
Wrong.
I am pointing out how Europe cried for the USA to help them do something
that
they were incapable of doing.
Your hypocrisy notwithstanding .... it wasn't long before Duhbya was
crying for Europe to help him do something that he is incapable of doing
- stabilizing the country he invaded. Let's see, just how long did it
take before he went whining to the UN for >support - 6 months, maybe?
Woods
You've got it wrong dear.
The President was pressured politically to open Iraq up to those who didn't
want to join us in the beginning. Bush made the offer, and also made it
know
that those who refused would be left >>out of the rebuilding of Iraq.
President Bush didn't go begging for >>help because we couldn't handle the
problem as Europe did with Kosovo.
Where were you when Bush went whining >to the UN for help?
Only in your dreams did this happen.
Had it not been for the USA, Kosovo >>would have exploded into a full scale
regional war involving Greese, Turkey >>and others.
Well, that's certainly a different picture >than what you were claiming
about Clinton earlier.
You missed the point entirely, the point is that Europe could not handle the
situation and had to cry for the USA to help them.
Tony
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01 Jan 2005 06:00:58 AM |
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You've got it wrong dear.
The President was pressured politically to open Iraq up to those who
didn't
want to join us in the beginning. Bush made the offer, and also made it
know
that those who refused would be left >>out of the rebuilding of Iraq.
President Bush didn't go begging for >>help because we couldn't handle
the
problem as Europe did with Kosovo.
Tony what drugs are you on?
Where were you when Bush went whining >to the UN for help?
Only in your dreams did this happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/23/sprj.irq.un/
Had it not been for the USA, Kosovo >>would have exploded into a full
scale
regional war involving Greese, Turkey >>and others.
Well, that's certainly a different picture >than what you were claiming
about Clinton earlier.
You missed the point entirely, the point is that Europe could not handle
the
situation and had to cry for the USA to help them.
Get over yourself, the United States of America is a great country, its not
perfect, never will be perfect
it does a lot of good then people like yourself come along and brag, you
attempt to rub your own self preconceived greatness in the faces of the
average person who inhabits this world. you and your ilk actually believe
your better then everyone else.
Want to know why everyone wants America, its not because of your freedoms,
its because of people like yourself.
Daniel
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"news.infogen.net.nz" <anzactz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You've got it wrong dear.
The President was pressured politically to open Iraq up to those who
didn't
want to join us in the beginning. Bush made the offer, and also made it
know
that those who refused would be left >>out of the rebuilding of Iraq.
President Bush didn't go begging for >>help because we couldn't handle
the
problem as Europe did with Kosovo.
Tony what drugs are you on?
Where were you when Bush went whining >to the UN for help?
Only in your dreams did this happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/23/sprj.irq.un/
Had it not been for the USA, Kosovo >>would have exploded into a full
scale
regional war involving Greese, Turkey >>and others.
Well, that's certainly a different picture >than what you were claiming
about Clinton earlier.
You missed the point entirely, the point is that Europe could not handle
the
situation and had to cry for the USA to help them.
Get over yourself, the United States of America is a great country, its
not perfect, never will be perfect
it does a lot of good things, then people like yourself come along and
brag about such things, you attempt to rub your own self preconceived
greatness in the faces of the average people who inhabit this world. you
and your ilk actually believe your better then everyone else.
Want to know why everyone hates America, its not because of your freedoms,
its because of people like yourself.
Daniel
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