Big Brother
Beat Cop A Walking
Database On YOU
From Nobel Eagle
6-27-4
Imagine this.
Your walking down your street to get a Slurpee at the Neighborhood
711. Lets say your wearing a Red Baseballcap, a white tshirt, and blue
jeans.
Hmmm..... Why is this person wearing Red, White, and Blue? Is this
some sort of Terrorist Code?
Lets say a Cop sees you and makes the decision that you are a "person
of interest". Now, lets imagine the police officer walks up to you and
asks you what your name is.
What happens if you dont tell him? Well, we know what will happen -
you goto jail- that's what the Supreme Court has ruled, and God Forbid
you try and stick up for your rights as an American Citizen. That's
called "Resisting Arrest".
Now imagine, once you give the police officer your name, he types it
into his palm pilot.
The next thing you know everything about you pops up in the palm of
his hand. Everything you've searched on the internet, every instant
message you've ever sent, every email, every website you have visited,
every purchase you made on your credit cards, every item you purchased
at Walmart and beyond (RFID Tracking), your credit report, your
medical records, parking tickets, citations, college transcript,
highschool and elementary school records, tax records, every place you
have travelled (GPS Tracking), and possibly even a database of your
Vital Signs and Brain Wave thought Pattern Records (Verichip).
Think this can't happen to you?
Think Again:
Welcome to the Matrix. All I can say is you can lead SHEEPLE to water,
but you can't make the SHEEPLE Drink the "Kool Aid". Wake up America -
You are Borg.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/25/tech/main626140.shtml
Cop On The Beat A Walking Database
(AP) A police officer stops you on the street, then taps something
into a device in the palm of his hand.
The next minute, he knows who your relatives are, who lives in your
house, who your neighbors are, the kind of car you drive or boat you
own, whether you've been sued and various other tidbits about your
life.
Science fiction? Hardly.
A growing number of police departments now have instant access via
handheld wireless devices to vast commercial databases that contain
details on just about anyone officers encounter on the beat.
In a time of terrorism worries, the information could theoretically
save lives, or produce clues that an eagle-eyed cop could use to solve
a case.
But placing a commercial database full of personal details at an
officer's fingertips also raises troubling questions for electronic
privacy activists.
"If the police went around keeping files on who you lived with and who
your roommates were, I think people would be outraged," said Jay
Stanley, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union, "And yet
in this case, they're not doing it, but they're plugging into a
company that is able to do it easily."
In recent years, police departments have been testing different
handheld wireless devices. Typically, they've used the devices to gain
access to law enforcement databases meant only for police that, for
example, alert them when someone is wanted for arrest.
At the same time, many police departments have been using desktop
computers to search commercial databases to help them learn more
detailed information about people they are investigating. These
databases can hold billions of public records from a variety of
sources. Thousands of law enforcement bodies now use them; five states
have linked their own records with a huge commercial database in a
federally funded program known as Matrix.
Now, in a convergence of the two trends, police are beginning to
access the commercial databases using handheld wireless devices.
LocatePLUS Holdings Corp., a Beverly, Mass.-based company that says it
maintains more than 6 billion records and has data on 98 percent of
the U.S. population, announced this week that it would provide
Blackberry wireless devices to state police at Logan International
Airport. Two of the planes hijacked on Sept. 11, 2001, took off from
Logan.
The officers can use the Blackberrys to access the LocatePlus database
wherever and whenever they want, though the records don't include
state and federal criminal justice databases or terrorist watch lists.
Such empowerment gains even more heft with Monday's ruling by a
sharply divided Supreme Court that people who refuse to give their
names to police can be arrested, even if they've done nothing wrong.
Justice John Paul Stevens, one of the dissenters, expressed concern
that, with simply a name, officers could quickly tap into databases
and learn a "broad array of information about the person."
Indeed, that's already happening.
LocatePlus now has more than 50 law enforcement agency customers that
use wireless handhelds to access its database, said chief executive
Jon Latorella.
Latorella said the company's database takes information from such
sources as registries of motor vehicles, credit bureaus, property tax
departments, telephone directories -- even unlisted numbers -- and
courts to create computerized dossiers on people on demand.
ChoicePoint Inc., based in Alpharetta, Ga., also offers police
wireless access to its vast databases, but so far has a smaller number
of clients, said James E. Lee, the company's chief marketing officer.
Massachusetts State Police Lt. Thomas Coffey, who works at Logan, said
he felt the LocatePLUS service would be useful.
"We're in the information business, obtaining information about
individuals or groups. It's an intelligence-gathering tool. It just
allows us to do our job better," he said.
Privacy activists argue, however, that information collected for one
purpose shouldn't be used for others. They call for federal standards
on the access and use of data as well as mechanisms to prevent abuse.
The ACLU's Stanley said the need for standards is even more urgent as
cops on the street get wireless access to databases, and could make
snap judgments based on incorrect data.
Harlin McEwen, a former police chief who chairs the technology
committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, said
private database searching via handhelds is getting a lot of interest
from police chiefs.
But he also cautioned that police should be wary about relying on
information from databases not controlled and maintained by the
government.
"It may be a tool for me. It may be a tip. But I'd better not rely on
its accuracy without doing further investigation," McEwen said.
Privacy activists agree on the accuracy issue, and have broader
concerns.
"These new services ... literally alter the balance of power between
the individual and the state," giving the government more power, said
Chris Hoofnagle, associate director of the Electronic Privacy
Information Center in Washington. "The private sector has become Big
Brother's little helper."
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick with possibilities:truth isin't"
Mark Twain
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27 Jun 2004 06:18:03 PM |
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wrote in message news:<andtd0tgt9q2b9ol77qsq9eu0o9h8oik50@4ax.com>...
Big Brother
Beat Cop A Walking
Database On YOU
From Nobel Eagle
6-27-4
Imagine this.
Your walking down your street to get a Slurpee at the Neighborhood
711. Lets say your wearing a Red Baseballcap, a white tshirt, and blue
jeans.
Hmmm..... Why is this person wearing Red, White, and Blue? Is this
some sort of Terrorist Code?
Lets say a Cop sees you and makes the decision that you are a "person
of interest". Now, lets imagine the police officer walks up to you and
asks you what your name is.
What happens if you dont tell him? Well, we know what will happen -
you goto jail- that's what the Supreme Court has ruled, and God Forbid
you try and stick up for your rights as an American Citizen. That's
called "Resisting Arrest".
Now imagine, once you give the police officer your name, he types it
into his palm pilot.
The next thing you know everything about you pops up in the palm of
his hand. Everything you've searched on the internet, every instant
message you've ever sent, every email, every website you have visited,
every purchase you made on your credit cards, every item you purchased
at Walmart and beyond (RFID Tracking), your credit report, your
medical records, parking tickets, citations, college transcript,
highschool and elementary school records, tax records, every place you
have travelled (GPS Tracking), and possibly even a database of your
Vital Signs and Brain Wave thought Pattern Records (Verichip).
Think this can't happen to you?
Think Again:
Welcome to the Matrix. All I can say is you can lead SHEEPLE to water,
but you can't make the SHEEPLE Drink the "Kool Aid". Wake up America -
You are Borg.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/25/tech/main626140.shtml
SNIP>
"These new services ... literally alter the balance of power between
the individual and the state," giving the government more power, said
Chris Hoofnagle, associate director of the Electronic Privacy
Information Center in Washington. "The private sector has become Big
Brother's little helper."
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick with possibilities:truth isin't"
Mark Twain
The problem then presents itself the cop is illiterate, too much data!
Besides $10 and he walks away.
LB
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27 Jun 2004 08:40:29 PM |
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Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation (Leigh_Bee) smirked:
Lets say a Cop sees you and makes the decision that you are a "person
of interest". Now, lets imagine the police officer walks up to you and
asks you what your name is.
What happens if you dont tell him? Well, we know what will happen -
you goto jail- that's what the Supreme Court has ruled,
Complete and utter *****.
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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27 Jun 2004 08:58:46 PM |
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In article <1stud0l4frjj0c08mpp1pg78em9qqtvq99@4ax.com>, Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation
(Leigh_Bee) smirked:
Lets say a Cop sees you and makes the decision that you are a "person
of interest". Now, lets imagine the police officer walks up to you and
asks you what your name is.
What happens if you dont tell him? Well, we know what will happen -
you goto jail- that's what the Supreme Court has ruled,
Complete and utter *****.
No, actually. It's been determined that it's a crime to fail to tell a police
officer your name if s/he asks you, and that they can charge you for that. It
was in the national news last week (or the week before) on both CNN and MSNBC.
Woods
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:24:06 PM |
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Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation (Woodswun) smirked:
No, actually. It's been determined that it's a crime to fail to tell a police
officer your name if s/he asks you, and that they can charge you for that.
Wrong, totally and completely.
If you STILL think it is, point to a Supreme Court decision saying so.
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| User: "Never anonymous Bud" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:28:54 PM |
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Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation (Woodswun) smirked:
No, actually. It's been determined that it's a crime to fail to tell a police
officer your name if s/he asks you, and that they can charge you for that. It
was in the national news last week (or the week before) on both CNN and MSNBC.
ONLY if they have 'probable cause' to suspect you of a crime...
from cnn.com...
The limited issue resolved in Hiibel
The issue in Hiibel was whether someone who had been lawfully subject to a Terry stop
-- that is, someone as to whom the police did have reasonable suspicion -- can also
be required to provide his name to the police officer who stopped him.
The justices answered yes. But they divided 5-4 on the issue.
All nine justices agreed that a person who is not behaving in a way that gives rise to
an articulable suspicion of criminality may not be required to state his name or show
identification. All nine justices also agreed that under the Court's prior precedents,
the police could ask a person who has been subject to a Terry stop for his name.
The only disagreement that split the justices -- and the specific issue the case addressed
-- was whether the person could be prosecuted for failing to answer that question.
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| User: "dreamwalker" |
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27 Jun 2004 11:47:16 PM |
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"Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message
news:304vd0hh075fdc1ise30krc1tdluncpqb6@4ax.com...
Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation (Woodswun) smirked:
No, actually. It's been determined that it's a crime to fail to tell a police
officer your name if s/he asks you, and that they can charge you for that. It
was in the national news last week (or the week before) on both CNN and MSNBC.
ONLY if they have 'probable cause' to suspect you of a crime...
from cnn.com...
The limited issue resolved in Hiibel
The issue in Hiibel was whether someone who had been lawfully subject to a Terry stop
-- that is, someone as to whom the police did have reasonable suspicion -- can also
be required to provide his name to the police officer who stopped him.
The justices answered yes. But they divided 5-4 on the issue.
All nine justices agreed that a person who is not behaving in a way that gives rise to
an articulable suspicion of criminality may not be required to state his name or show
identification. All nine justices also agreed that under the Court's prior precedents,
the police could ask a person who has been subject to a Terry stop for his name.
The only disagreement that split the justices -- and the specific issue the case addressed
-- was whether the person could be prosecuted for failing to answer that question.
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Exactly. Failure to give a police officer your name when suspected of a crime has always been
considered obstruction. A misdemeanor. Of course the paranoid neolibs believe its John Ashcroft
coming to get them. Hehe.
Technically its no change in the law. Only clairification. A person still has the right to remain
silent after showing or proving ID.
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28 Jun 2004 06:38:20 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:28:54 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation (Woodswun) smirked:
No, actually. It's been determined that it's a crime to fail to tell a police
officer your name if s/he asks you, and that they can charge you for that. It
was in the national news last week (or the week before) on both CNN and MSNBC.
ONLY if they have 'probable cause' to suspect you of a crime...
Hahahaha, and in this day and age can mean anything. Since 9/11 any
cause is probable cause.
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick with possibilities:truth isin't"
Mark Twain
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28 Jun 2004 06:37:09 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:58:46 GMT, (Woodswun)
wrote:
In article <1stud0l4frjj0c08mpp1pg78em9qqtvq99@4ax.com>, Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote:
Fresh from an Iraqi prisoner interrogation
(Leigh_Bee) smirked:
Lets say a Cop sees you and makes the decision that you are a "person
of interest". Now, lets imagine the police officer walks up to you and
asks you what your name is.
What happens if you dont tell him? Well, we know what will happen -
you goto jail- that's what the Supreme Court has ruled,
Complete and utter *****.
No, actually. It's been determined that it's a crime to fail to tell a police
officer your name if s/he asks you, and that they can charge you for that. It
was in the national news last week (or the week before) on both CNN and MSNBC.
Woods
Up here in Canada they call it obstruction of justice.
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick with possibilities:truth isin't"
Mark Twain
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