All they have to do is outlast us. Considering the situation we are
now in, that should be no big deal. They will never say "uncle".
Commentary: It's Vietnam Again!
Iraqis understand how to defeat the U.S. military machine, and they
are; America, here comes another Vietnam!
By Stewart Nusbaumer
With each Iraqi our military kills, more Iraqis join the insurgency.
The longer our troops occupy Iraq, the better Iraqi insurgents become
at killing our troops. In Iraq, violence is a great recruiter, and time
is a wise teacher.
We are losing in Iraq, and next year we will be losing more. Iraq is
our second Vietnam.
Tonight on ABC evening news, a U.S. military general whined: "There
are no front lines in Iraq, they can be anywhere." It was a jarring
flashback, the general sounding exactly like a general speaking about
Vietnam.
American political leaders insisted we would wipe out those Iraqi
terrorists and criminals in no time, but it didn't happen. Just like in
Vietnam. The U.S. media insisted that nearly all Iraqis welcomed U.S.
occupation and that Iraqis would love Americans for giving them
democracy and freedom. But Iraqi insurgents are killing Americans, and
U.S.-trained Iraqi troops refuse to die for the U.S. occupation of
their country. In Vietnam, Vietnamization failed. In Iraq, Iraqization
is failing.
In Vietnam, an Army officer said, "We had to destroy the village to
save the village." In Iraq, an Army officer said that the destroyed
Fallujah is now "free."
Last week we were told that many of the roads in Iraq are too dangerous
for U.S. armed truck convoys, forcing our military to use aircraft to
ferry supplies to outer bases. Vietnam taught us that when you give up
the land, you give up the people; when you leave the roads, you have
lost the war. Iraq is just like Vietnam.
Yesterday we learned that 18 U.S. soldiers died in, as The New York
Times put it, "one of the deadliest attacks on American forces in
Iraq." What The New York Times did not say is that this is only the
beginning of the deadliest attacks on American forces. We have killed
100,000 Iraqis: children, wives and husbands, mothers and fathers,
grandparents, neighbors, cousins, aunts and uncles, school friends--we
have killed so many Iraqis that there is now a limitless supply of
outraged Iraqis who want to kill Americans.
It's just like Vietnam: the more we kill, the more Americans die.
It's cause and effect. The U.S. military is killing people that
should not be killed, so more Iraqis start killing Americans.
Americans believed the recycled myth that as a superpower we have super
power--a silly, dangerous idea that has led us directly into another
bloody Vietnam-type quagmire. Believing our military technology can
incinerate any ragtag opponent, hubristic thinking (or the suspension
of thinking) enabled us to also bury history. Our national hubris
obliterated the memory that those ragtag Vietnamese defeated the
world's greatest military, our military.
Like the Vietnamese, the Iraqis will not fight a war that allows U.S.
war technology to be effective; and the U.S. is incapable of defeating
the Iraqis because its counterinsurgency warfare is ineffective. So the
war will drag on. But the Iraqis understand that they do not have to
win the war against the United States, merely not lose the war. They
have learned to stay clear of the overwhelming firepower of the U.S.
military and to survive another day, another month, another year.
The latest public opinion polls show that Americans are growing
frustrated with the war and wary of the Bush Administration's
handling of the war; over 60 percent are disturbed with the way the war
is going. In the media we hear it is going badly because the Bush
Administration did not plan for the peace. Fox News insists that
liberal war dissenters are betraying our soldiers; a man in Nebraska
screams that the media is defeating our war effort. Just like Vietnam.
During the Vietnam era, we heard that America lost the war because of
the cowardly politicians, the unpatriotic antiwar demonstrators, and
the traitorous media. The truth is, we could not have won in Vietnam,
and we cannot win now in Iraq. The world of insurgents understands our
military and knows how to wear down the great military leviathan. Our
chances of winning in Iraq are the same as they were in Vietnam: zero.
This horrible, unnecessary, immoral war is all over; it was all over
before it began. But this does not mean that the dying is over; there
is much more dying to come. And this does not mean that Americans
realize their soldiers are again dying in vain in a far off land. I'm
not sure if Americans will ever understand their soldiers dying in
vain, but they are -- in Iraq today.
Stewart Nusbaumer is editor of Intervention Magazine. He served with
the U.S. Marine Corps in Vietnam on the DMZ. You can email him at
Stewart@interventionmag.com
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23 Dec 2004 03:00:09 AM |
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interesting read !!!!!
thanks, jha ;-)
Hooroo ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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23 Dec 2004 07:58:08 AM |
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Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their own
future in their hands.
Tony
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23 Dec 2004 12:02:27 PM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it. 12,000?
I doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. 50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it. Not to mention a massive devaluation of the American dollar,
hyperinflation, and the end of America as a Super power, as it is overtaken
by Europe, and China.
Yesterday was a good day for the freedom of Iraq. More Americans have been
killed in the first 2 years of the Iraqi war, than in the first 4 years of
Vietnam. Boy, oh boy, America really does deserve this Moron as leader. He
is just like them. Anywho, millions look forward to the day America is
defeated in Iraq, and when Iraqis will decided amongst themselves who shall
govern them. The number of idiot Americans who have to die is purely up to
America, and no one else.
eric.
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24 Dec 2004 01:13:33 AM |
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"eric davis" <ericdaivs500@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:svKdnUfa6bWrlVbcRVn-vw@rogers.com...
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it.
12,000?
I doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. 50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it. Not to mention a massive devaluation of the American dollar,
hyperinflation, and the end of America as a Super power, as it is
overtaken
by Europe, and China.
Yesterday was a good day for the freedom of Iraq. More Americans have
been
killed in the first 2 years of the Iraqi war, than in the first 4 years of
Vietnam. Boy, oh boy, America really does deserve this Moron as leader.
He
is just like them. Anywho, millions look forward to the day America is
defeated in Iraq, and when Iraqis will decided amongst themselves who
shall
govern them. The number of idiot Americans who have to die is purely up
to
America, and no one else.
You know our economy is so intertwined with the US economy that if what you
say happens (and I don't believe it will), we will go down with them.
That's what you hope for? 85% of our exports, eric, 85%.
Jane
eric.
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24 Dec 2004 05:30:10 AM |
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"Jane"
wrote:
"eric davis" <ericdaivs500@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:svKdnUfa6bWrlVbcRVn-vw@rogers.com...
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it.
12,000?
I doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. 50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it. Not to mention a massive devaluation of the American dollar,
hyperinflation, and the end of America as a Super power, as it is
overtaken
by Europe, and China.
Yesterday was a good day for the freedom of Iraq. More Americans have
been
killed in the first 2 years of the Iraqi war, than in the first 4 years of
Vietnam. Boy, oh boy, America really does deserve this Moron as leader.
He
is just like them. Anywho, millions look forward to the day America is
defeated in Iraq, and when Iraqis will decided amongst themselves who
shall
govern them. The number of idiot Americans who have to die is purely up
to
America, and no one else.
You know our economy is so intertwined with the US economy that if what you
say happens (and I don't believe it will), we will go down with them.
That's what you hope for? 85% of our >exports, eric, 85%.
Jane
Do you see what I mean by "self loathing" ?
Tony
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23 Dec 2004 12:33:14 PM |
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"eric davis" <ericdaivs500@hotmail.com> wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it. 12,000?
I doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. 50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it. Not to mention a massive devaluation of the American dollar,
hyperinflation, and the end of America as a Super power, as it is overtaken
by Europe, and China.
Yesterday was a good day for the freedom of Iraq. More Americans have been
killed in the first 2 years of the Iraqi war, than in the first 4 years of
Vietnam. Boy, oh boy, America really does deserve this Moron as leader. He
is just like them. Anywho, millions look forward to the day America is
defeated in Iraq, and when Iraqis will decided amongst themselves who shall
govern them. The number of idiot Americans who have to die is purely up to
America, and no one else.
The more the better. The more bankrupt the better. Never has the
hatred of these filthy, arrogant pigs been more intense, more
visceral, more ubiquitous. Mild-mannered friends grit their teeth
with scary gut hatred. Bring it on. People here talk about bombing
McDonalds (silly). The hate is extraordinary, unprecedented.
Grantland
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| User: "MonsieurStat" |
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23 Dec 2004 12:59:17 PM |
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"Grantland" <mithril@iafrica.com> wrote in message
news:41cb0d0b.304251780@ct-news.iafrica.com...
"eric davis" <ericdaivs500@hotmail.com> wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it.
12,000?
I doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. 50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it. Not to mention a massive devaluation of the American dollar,
hyperinflation, and the end of America as a Super power, as it is
overtaken
by Europe, and China.
Yesterday was a good day for the freedom of Iraq. More Americans have
been
killed in the first 2 years of the Iraqi war, than in the first 4 years of
Vietnam. Boy, oh boy, America really does deserve this Moron as leader.
He
is just like them. Anywho, millions look forward to the day America is
defeated in Iraq, and when Iraqis will decided amongst themselves who
shall
govern them. The number of idiot Americans who have to die is purely up
to
America, and no one else.
The more the better. The more bankrupt the better. Never has the
hatred of these filthy, arrogant pigs been more intense, more
visceral, more ubiquitous. Mild-mannered friends grit their teeth
with scary gut hatred. Bring it on. People here talk about bombing
McDonalds (silly). The hate is extraordinary, unprecedented.
I like McDonalds. In fact, had a huge Big Mac attack this noon. Am sure glad
there is always a McDonalds nearby no matter where I go. Ask your mild
mannered friends to bomb Burger King instead please.
Stat.
Grantland
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24 Dec 2004 05:29:24 AM |
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MonsieurStat"
wrote:
I like McDonalds. In fact, had a huge Big Mac attack this noon. Am sure glad
there is always a McDonalds nearby no matter where I go. Ask your mild
mannered friends to bomb Burger King instead please.
Stat.
Did they sneak some bacon in there?
Tony
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24 Dec 2004 05:28:45 AM |
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mithril@iafrica.com
wrote:
The more the better. The more bankrupt the better. Never has the
hatred of these filthy, arrogant pigs been more intense, more
visceral, more ubiquitous. Mild-mannered friends grit their teeth
with scary gut hatred. Bring it on. People here talk about bombing
McDonalds (silly). The hate is extraordinary, unprecedented.
Grantland
Confirming what I have been saying about the sickness that is spreading amongst
Liberals.
Tony
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| User: "Grantland" |
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24 Dec 2004 05:45:25 AM |
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(TonyZ2001) wrote:
mithril@iafrica.com
wrote:
The more the better. The more bankrupt the better. Never has the
hatred of these filthy, arrogant pigs been more intense, more
visceral, more ubiquitous. Mild-mannered friends grit their teeth
with scary gut hatred. Bring it on. People here talk about bombing
McDonalds (silly). The hate is extraordinary, unprecedented.
Grantland
Confirming what I have been saying about the sickness that is spreading amongst
Liberals.
Tony
Liberals? That's a good one. What a moron you are, typical specimen.
G
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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24 Dec 2004 06:11:24 AM |
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mithril@iafrica.com
wrote:
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
mithril@iafrica.com
wrote:
The more the better. The more bankrupt the better. Never has the
hatred of these filthy, arrogant pigs been more intense, more
visceral, more ubiquitous. Mild-mannered friends grit their teeth
with scary gut hatred. Bring it on. People here talk about bombing
McDonalds (silly). The hate is extraordinary, unprecedented.
Grantland
Confirming what I have been saying about the sickness that is spreading
amongst
Liberals.
Tony
Liberals?
Yep, all the Liberals throughout the world.
Tony
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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24 Dec 2004 05:27:35 AM |
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"eric davis"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands >when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will >needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it. 12,000? I
doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. >50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it.
You're seriously derenged. We will be out of Iraq in about a year, maybe less.
Not to mention a massive devaluation of >the American dollar, hyperinflation,
and >the end of America as a Super power, as >it is overtaken by Europe, and
China.
Stop your fantasizing. I know that you and the other Liberals orgasm over these
thoughts, but it's not going to happen.
and when Iraqis will decided amongst >themselves who shall govern them.
You're just another clueless Clown, that day is just 5 weeks away.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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24 Dec 2004 05:33:29 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
"eric davis"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands >when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will >needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it. 12,000? I
doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. >50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it.
You're seriously derenged. We will be out of Iraq in about a year, maybe less.
Put your money where your big fat mouth is.
You won't, coward.
-A
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24 Dec 2004 06:12:15 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
"eric davis"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223085808.21640.00002176@mb-m12.aol.com...
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their
own
future in their hands.
Tony
Iraqis future will be in their own hands >when they've defeated America. I
wonder how many Americans will >needlessly die? 2,000? I doubt it.
12,000? I
doubt it. 20,000? I doubt it. >50,0000+? Yep. That sounds more like
it.
You're seriously derenged. We will be out of Iraq in about a year, maybe
less.
Put your money where your big fat mouth is.
You won't, coward.
-A
Once again, WTF are you talking about?
Tony
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| User: "Su Zanadu" |
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23 Dec 2004 01:04:52 PM |
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tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then
the Iraqi people will have their own
future in their hands.
And they will have the authority to tell us to GET OUT!
Sounds like a plan to me!
I hope they they do that so our men and women can come home alive
instead of a flag draped crate.
SuZanne
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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24 Dec 2004 05:31:44 AM |
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tugbertswife@webtv.net (Su Zanadu)
wrote:
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then
the Iraqi people will have their own
future in their hands.
And they will have the authority to tell us >to GET OUT!
Yes they will.
Sounds like a plan to me!
I hope they they do that so our men and >women can come home alive instead of
a >flag draped crate.
SuZanne
You are another clueless moron who puts their "feelings" over a carefully
thought out view of the future.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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23 Dec 2004 01:36:05 PM |
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Su Zanadu wrote:
tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) wrote:
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then
the Iraqi people will have their own
future in their hands.
And they will have the authority to tell us to GET OUT!
Sounds like a plan to me!
I hope they they do that so our men and women can come home alive
instead of a flag draped crate.
Sorry... :(
-A
SuZanne
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| User: "" |
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23 Dec 2004 08:46:24 AM |
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Pretty much the same as you have your future in your hands every
morning when you take a *****.
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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23 Dec 2004 10:02:24 AM |
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jha_amin@yahoo.com
wrote:
Pretty much the same as you have your >future in your hands every
morning when you take a *****.
Stop looking in the mirror and talking to yourself.
Tony
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23 Dec 2004 01:07:00 PM |
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Whoaaaaaah!!
LOL!
What's got into you Jha_amin?
Whatever - I like it! :)
SuZanne
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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23 Dec 2004 09:37:21 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then the Iraqi people will have their own
future in their hands.
Aye, chaos.
The Shiites will win, the Sunnis won't... this reversal of fortune will
further enhance their determination to initiate civil war.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi police have been infiltrated from top to bottom and
are less use than an ashtray on Susan's Harley.
Brace yourself for the loooooooooooong haul.
You haven't managed to get anything right about Iraq, have you?
-A
Tony
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23 Dec 2004 10:01:40 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then >>the Iraqi people will have their
own future in their hands.
Aye, chaos.
The Shiites will win, the Sunnis won't... >this reversal of fortune will
further enhance their determination to >initiate civil war.
Yep, which as always the Sunni's will win.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi police have been >infiltrated from top to bottom
It's Saddam's Iraq for crying out loud, this is what they were trained to do,
every segment of iraqi society is filled with Baathist spies.
Brace yourself for the loooooooooooong >haul.
We'll be out of there in about a year or so, maybe less.
You haven't managed to get anything >right about Iraq, have you?
-A
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
As for you contention that the US will still be in Iraq in 2013, you haven't a
clue.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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23 Dec 2004 10:29:50 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then >>the Iraqi people will have their
own future in their hands.
Aye, chaos.
The Shiites will win, the Sunnis won't... >this reversal of fortune will
further enhance their determination to >initiate civil war.
Yep, which as always the Sunni's will win.
No they won't... the USM won't/can't allow it.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi police have been >infiltrated from top to bottom
[strange snip restored]
and are less use than an ashtray on Susan's Harley.
It's Saddam's Iraq for crying out loud, this is what they were trained to do,
every segment of iraqi society is filled with Baathist spies.
Whatever, just shows that administration were "clueless" as how to
manage post Saddam Iraq. As I said before the invasion.
Brace yourself for the loooooooooooong >haul.
We'll be out of there in about a year or so, maybe less.
Want to bet your continued presence in this group?
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
You haven't managed to get anything right about Iraq, have you?
-A
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
I'm not just referring to your hilarious belief in Saddam the anti-Christ.
Remember your predictions of thousands killed by WMD in a desperately
difficult invasion? You were hosing your shorts so much that you issued
a global apology to the group for your sins. LOL!!! A classic.
My calls?
No WMD existed.
Invasion = walk in the park (militarily speaking).
That winning the peace would be far more dificult.
That the USM would continue to take hits to the day it left.
(not anytime soon)
As for you contention that the US will still be in Iraq in 2013, you haven't a
clue.
hehe, time again my predictions far out-perform yours.
No? Then take the bet. You said you were leaving anyway, I guess we can
stand your frothing insanity for another twelve months, eh?
-A
Tony
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23 Dec 2004 10:44:59 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Wrong.
Elections are set for January 30th then >>the Iraqi people will have their
own future in their hands.
Aye, chaos.
The Shiites will win, the Sunnis won't... >this reversal of fortune will
further enhance their determination to >>>initiate civil war.
Yep, which as always the Sunni's will >>win.
No they won't... the USM won't/can't >allow it.
The USM will be gone.
Meanwhile, the Iraqi police have been >>>infiltrated from top to bottom
[strange snip restored]
and are less use than an ashtray on >>>Susan's Harley.
It's Saddam's Iraq for crying out loud, >>this is what they were trained to
do, every segment of iraqi society is >>filled with Baathist spies.
Whatever, just shows that administration >were "clueless" as how to
manage post Saddam Iraq. As I said >before the invasion.
Brace yourself for the >>>loooooooooooong haul.
We'll be out of there in about a year or >>so, maybe less.
Want to bet your continued presence in >this group?
As has been said so many times before, I'll be gone when Saddam is dead. I
advise that you not hold your breath.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a >coward.
Funny, I suspect when Saddam is back in power that you will reneg on your word
and remain here.
You haven't managed to get anything right about Iraq, have you?
-A
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
I'm not just referring to your hilarious >belief in Saddam the anti-Christ.
We shall see.
Remember your predictions of thousands >killed by WMD in a desperately
difficult invasion? You were hosing your >shorts so much that you issued
a global apology to the group for your >sins. LOL!!! A classic.
It's not within you to apologize no matter what the situation.
Anyway, if you want to go back and look, my prediction was that when it was all
over, Saddam would be in power of Iraq.
That has a far better chance of happening than US troops still being engaged in
battle in 2013.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Vietnam Again!! |
23 Dec 2004 11:08:54 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
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No they won't... the USM won't/can't >allow it.
The USM will be gone.
Sure, go read the blueprint again, AKA the PNAC document.
8<
Want to bet your continued presence in this group?
As has been said so many times before, I'll be gone when Saddam is dead. I
advise that you not hold your breath.
See? Another prediction comes to pass.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a >coward.
Funny, I suspect when Saddam is back in power that you will reneg on your word
and remain here.
No Tony, unlike you I don't live a frustrated, perverted and hate-filled
life vicariously through Usenet.
You haven't managed to get anything right about Iraq, have you?
-A
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
I'm not just referring to your hilarious >belief in Saddam the anti-Christ.
We shall see.
The whole world will see the completely obvious (except you).
Remember your predictions of thousands >killed by WMD in a desperately
difficult invasion? You were hosing your shorts so much that you issued
a global apology to the group for your sins. LOL!!! A classic.
It's not within you to apologize no matter what the situation.
The point being indicated is how utterly wrong you were.
In general, I don't go out of my way to gratuitously offend people
unprovoked.
Anyway, if you want to go back and look, my prediction was that when it was all
over, Saddam would be in power of Iraq.
You've made many... none of any import will materialize.
That has a far better chance of happening than US troops still being engaged in
battle in 2013.
Chance has got nothing to do with it.
I didn't say in battle, I said present ("stuck") in Iraq for 10+ years.
-A
Tony
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| Title: Re: Vietnam Again!! |
24 Dec 2004 05:40:37 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
No they won't... the USM won't/can't >>>>allow it.
The USM will be gone.
Sure, go read the blueprint again, AKA >the PNAC document.
Want to bet your continued presence >>>in this group?
As has been said so many times >>before, I'll be gone when Saddam is >>dead.
I advise that you not hold your >>breath.
See? Another prediction comes to pass.
Huh?
I will if you will, you won't... you're a >>>coward.
Funny, I suspect when Saddam is >>back in power that you will reneg on
your word and remain here.
No Tony, unlike you I don't live a >frustrated, perverted and hate-filled
life vicariously through Usenet.
Please, one look at your posts from today shows exactly who's mind is
preverted, you do it without even trying, it's your natural state.
Anyway, I know that you will reneg when Saddam regians power in Iraq.
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
I'm not just referring to your hilarious >>>>belief in Saddam the
anti-Christ.
We shall see.
The whole world will see the completely >obvious (except you).
Too bad we won't be able to discuss it when Saddam is back in power, you'll be
gone from the group, right?
Remember your predictions of thousands killed by WMD in a desperately
difficult invasion? You were hosing your shorts so much that you issued
a global apology to the group for your >>>sins. LOL!!! A classic.
It's not within you to apologize no >>matter what the situation.
In general, I don't go out of my way to >gratuitously offend people
unprovoked.
LOL!!! You offend people every day "unprovoked", but you're so self centered
that you're clueless to it.
Anyway, if you want to go back and >>look, my prediction was that when it
was all over, Saddam would be in power >>of Iraq.
You've made many... none of any import >will materialize.
Only the most important of all.
That has a far better chance of >>happening than US troops still being
engaged in battle in 2013.
Chance has got nothing to do with it.
I didn't say in battle, I said present >("stuck") in Iraq for 10+ years.
-A
LOL!!! Oh, so now it's morphing into something else is it? In other words if
the USA has even a small training or support force in Iraq you will pull a
Sollog and claim a "hit" .
What joke.
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Vietnam Again!! |
24 Dec 2004 05:56:41 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
No they won't... the USM won't/can't >>>>allow it.
The USM will be gone.
Sure, go read the blueprint again, AKA >the PNAC document.
Want to bet your continued presence >>>in this group?
As has been said so many times >>before, I'll be gone when Saddam is >>dead.
I advise that you not hold your >>breath.
See? Another prediction comes to pass.
Huh?
=>
Want to bet your continued presence in this group?
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
<=
I will if you will, you won't... you're a >>>coward.
Funny, I suspect when Saddam is >>back in power that you will reneg on
your word and remain here.
No Tony, unlike you I don't live a >frustrated, perverted and hate-filled
life vicariously through Usenet.
Please, one look at your posts from today shows exactly who's mind is
preverted, you do it without even trying, it's your natural state.
Anyway, I know that you will reneg when Saddam regians power in Iraq.
As ever, sucka... you know nuttin'
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
I'm not just referring to your hilarious >>>>belief in Saddam the
anti-Christ.
We shall see.
The whole world will see the completely >obvious (except you).
Too bad we won't be able to discuss it when Saddam is back in power, you'll be
gone from the group, right?
Right.
Remember your predictions of thousands killed by WMD in a desperately
difficult invasion? You were hosing your shorts so much that you issued
a global apology to the group for your >>>sins. LOL!!! A classic.
It's not within you to apologize no >>matter what the situation.
In general, I don't go out of my way to >gratuitously offend people
unprovoked.
LOL!!! You offend people every day "unprovoked",
Hans? He started it.
but you're so self centered
that you're clueless to it.
The comedy in that statement from you is just amazing.
To Susan:
You are a very low IQ Moron
To Woods:
STFU you stupid *****.
Anyway, if you want to go back and >>look, my prediction was that when it
was all over, Saddam would be in power >>of Iraq.
You've made many... none of any import >will materialize.
Only the most important of all.
Not! as Dee said in this regard: Doofus!
That has a far better chance of >>happening than US troops still being
engaged in battle in 2013.
Chance has got nothing to do with it.
I didn't say in battle, I said present >("stuck") in Iraq for 10+ years.
-A
LOL!!! Oh, so now it's morphing into something else is it?
Can you show that it is?
In other words if
the USA has even a small training or support force in Iraq you will pull a
Sollog and claim a "hit" .
Nope, I mean a significant force presence... it's you that's doing the
morphing, I never said "in battle" or anything like it.
What joke.
Put your money where you mouth is, coward.
-A
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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| Title: Re: Vietnam Again!! |
24 Dec 2004 06:10:23 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
No they won't... the USM won't/can't >>>>allow it.
The USM will be gone.
Sure, go read the blueprint again, AKA >>>the PNAC document.
Want to bet your continued >>>>>presence in this group?
As has been said so many times >>before, I'll be gone when Saddam is
dead.
I advise that you not hold your >>breath.
See? Another prediction comes to >>>pass.
Huh?
=>
Want to bet your continued presence in this group?
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
<=
WTF are you talking about? You have said you will leave if Saddam regains
power, right? I have said I will leave when Saddam is dead, right? So again,
WTF are you talking about?
I will if you will, you won't... you're a >>>coward.
Funny, I suspect when Saddam is >>back in power that you will reneg on
your word and remain here.
No Tony, unlike you I don't live a >frustrated, perverted and hate-filled
life vicariously through Usenet.
Please, one look at your posts from >>today shows exactly who's mind is
preverted, you do it without even trying, >>it's your natural state.
Anyway, I know that you will reneg >>when Saddam regians power in Iraq.
As ever, sucka... you know nuttin'
Sure, but the day after you will be gone from here, right?
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
I'm not just referring to your >>>>hilarious >>>>belief in Saddam the
anti-Christ.
We shall see.
The whole world will see the >>>completely >obvious (except you).
Too bad we won't be able to discuss it >>when Saddam is back in power,
you'll
be gone from the group, right?
Right.
Good, with you TW and Limpwrist gone, maybe we might actually be able to
discuss things in this group as we used to.
Remember your predictions of thousands killed by WMD in a desperately
difficult invasion? You were hosing your shorts so much that you issued
a global apology to the group for >>>>your sins. LOL!!! A classic.
It's not within you to apologize no >>>>matter what the situation.
In general, I don't go out of my way to >>>gratuitously offend people
unprovoked.
LOL!!! You offend people every day >>"unprovoked",
Hans? He started it.
Please, You jumped on him as you have done to others, and I'm not just talking
about Hans.
but you're so self centered
that you're clueless to it.
The comedy in that statement from you >is just amazing.
it's quite true.
Anyway, if you want to go back and >>>>look, my prediction was that when it
was all over, Saddam would be in >>>>power of Iraq.
You've made many... none of any >>>import will materialize.
Only the most important of all.
Not! as Dee said in this regard: Doofus!
Yeah ok, but when he's back I'll no longer have to see your nonsense on my
moniter.
That has a far better chance of >>happening than US troops still being
engaged in battle in 2013.
Chance has got nothing to do with it.
I didn't say in battle, I said present >("stuck") in Iraq for 10+ years.
-A
LOL!!! Oh, so now it's morphing into >>something else is it?
Can you show that it is?
In other words if
the USA has even a small training or >>support force in Iraq you will pull a
Sollog and claim a "hit" .
Nope, I mean a significant force >presence... it's you that's doing the
morphing, I never said "in battle" or >anything like it.
WTF would a significant force being doing there? We are not going to leave a
huge presence in Iraq unless they are there to fight. That you don't know this
shows that you don't have a clue.
What joke.
Put your money where you mouth is, >coward.
-A
What is this supposed to mean?
Tony
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| User: "Absolute Zero" |
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| Title: Re: Vietnam Again!! |
24 Dec 2004 06:35:59 AM |
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TonyZ2001 wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
No they won't... the USM won't/can't >>>>allow it.
The USM will be gone.
Sure, go read the blueprint again, AKA >>>the PNAC document.
Want to bet your continued >>>>>presence in this group?
As has been said so many times >>before, I'll be gone when Saddam is
dead.
I advise that you not hold your >>breath.
See? Another prediction comes to >>>pass.
Huh?
=>
Want to bet your continued presence in this group?
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
<=
WTF are you talking about? You have said you will leave if Saddam regains
power, right? I have said I will leave when Saddam is dead, right? So again,
WTF are you talking about?
You seemed VERY confident that the US would be out of Iraq in one year.
"Want to bet your continued presence in this group?"
"I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward."
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
Get it? You can be rid of me BEFORE Saddam is returned to power, just
take the bet.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
I will if you will, you won't... you're a >>>coward.
Funny, I suspect when Saddam is >>back in power that you will reneg on
your word and remain here.
No Tony, unlike you I don't live a >frustrated, perverted and hate-filled
life vicariously through Usenet.
Please, one look at your posts from >>today shows exactly who's mind is
preverted, you do it without even trying, >>it's your natural state.
Anyway, I know that you will reneg >>when Saddam regians power in Iraq.
As ever, sucka... you know nuttin'
Sure, but the day after you will be gone from here, right?
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT
Is it over? Nope, didn't think so.
I'm not just referring to your >>>>hilarious >>>>belief in Saddam the
anti-Christ.
We shall see.
The whole world will see the >>>completely >obvious (except you).
Too bad we won't be able to discuss it >>when Saddam is back in power,
you'll
be gone from the group, right?
Right.
Good, with you TW and Limpwrist gone, maybe we might actually be able to
discuss things in this group as we used to.
Delusional nitwit.
Remember your predictions of thousands killed by WMD in a desperately
difficult invasion? You were hosing your shorts so much that you issued
a global apology to the group for >>>>your sins. LOL!!! A classic.
It's not within you to apologize no >>>>matter what the situation.
In general, I don't go out of my way to >>>gratuitously offend people
unprovoked.
LOL!!! You offend people every day >>"unprovoked",
Hans? He started it.
Please, You jumped on him as you have done to others, and I'm not just talking
about Hans.
Who then?
Hans started it by falling into my retard trap.
but you're so self centered
that you're clueless to it.
The comedy in that statement from you >is just amazing.
it's quite true.
[pathetic snip restored]
To Susan:
You are a very low IQ Moron
To Woods:
STFU you stupid *****.
Anyway, if you want to go back and >>>>look, my prediction was that when it
was all over, Saddam would be in >>>>power of Iraq.
You've made many... none of any >>>import will materialize.
Only the most important of all.
Not! as Dee said in this regard: Doofus!
Yeah ok, but when he's back I'll no longer have to see your nonsense on my
moniter.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I seriously doubt ANYONE, but ANYONE (but you) thinks that Saddam will
be allowed to return to power.
Ask around... the consensus would be that..... YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.
That has a far better chance of >>happening than US troops still being
engaged in battle in 2013.
Chance has got nothing to do with it.
I didn't say in battle, I said present >("stuck") in Iraq for 10+ years.
-A
LOL!!! Oh, so now it's morphing into >>something else is it?
Can you show that it is?
In other words if
the USA has even a small training or >>support force in Iraq you will pull a
Sollog and claim a "hit" .
Nope, I mean a significant force >presence... it's you that's doing the
morphing, I never said "in battle" or >anything like it.
WTF would a significant force being doing there? We are not going to leave a
huge presence in Iraq unless they are there to fight. That you don't know this
shows that you don't have a clue.
Idiot.
"THE US HAS FOR DECADES SOUGHT TO PLAY A MORE PERMANENT ROLE IN GULF
REGIONAL SECURITY. WHILE THE UNRESOLVED CONFLICT WITH IRAQ PROVIDES THE
IMMEDIATE JUSTIFICATION, THE NEED FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMERICAN FORCE
PRESENCE IN THE GULF TRANSCENDS THE ISSUE OF THE REGIME OF SADDAM HUSSEIN."
What joke.
Put your money where you mouth is, >coward.
-A
What is this supposed to mean?
Take the bet on US forces being out of Iraq in 12 months, coward.
-A
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| Title: Re: Vietnam Again!! |
24 Dec 2004 07:15:35 AM |
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Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
Absolute Zero
wrote:
TonyZ2001 wrote:
No they won't... the USM won't/can't >>>>allow it.
The USM will be gone.
Sure, go read the blueprint again, AKA >>>the PNAC document.
Want to bet your continued >>>>>presence in this group?
As has been said so many times >>before, I'll be gone when Saddam is
dead.
I advise that you not hold your >>breath.
See? Another prediction comes to >>>pass.
Huh?
Want to bet your continued presence in this group?
I will if you will, you won't... you're a coward.
<=
WTF are you talking about? You have said you will leave if Saddam regains
power, right? I have said I will leave when Saddam is dead, right? So
again,
WTF are you talking about?
You seemed VERY confident that the US >would be out of Iraq in one year.
"Want to bet your continued presence in this group?"
"I will if you will, you won't... you're a >coward."
LOL!!!
Oh, I get it now, you see how things are going in Iraq and are now fearful that
Saddam will regain control, and you just can't stand the thought of actually
keeping your word and leaving this group; so you are looking for an out, any
chance that might save you from this fate.
Sorry, I'm not playing your game. I knew you couldn't be trusted, sheesh, you
haven't even lost yet and already you're looking to reneg.
Get it? You can be rid of me BEFORE >Saddam is returned to power, just take
the bet.
Sorry Amy, but I am going to expose you as being a person who's word cannot be
trusted, live with it.
Hans started it by falling into my retard >trap.
WTF is a "retard trap" ?
I seriously doubt ANYONE, but ANYONE >(but you) thinks that Saddam will
be allowed to return to power.
Ask around... the consensus would be >that..... YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.
Yeah ok, but I prefer it that way, this way when it happens there will only be
one person who actually called it, right?
"THE US HAS FOR DECADES SOUGHT >TO PLAY A MORE PERMANENT ROLE >IN GULF
REGIONAL SECURITY. >WHILE THE UNRESOLVED CONFLICT >WITH IRAQ PROVIDES THE
IMMEDIATE JUSTIFICATION, THE NEED >FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMERICAN >FORCE PRESENCE
IN THE GULF >TRANSCENDS THE ISSUE OF THE >REGIME OF SADDAM HUSSEIN."
Listen, we knew we had to leave Saudi Arabia because of the stupid, brainless
Muslim mindset, we sure as hell know that we cannot stay long term in Iraq.
Take the bet on US forces being out of >Iraq in 12 months, coward.
-A
I'm not going to play your little game that has one but one reason, and that is
that you are looking for an out because you fear having to leave this group. I
intend to make you reneg on your word.
Tony
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