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By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in =
Vietnam and his statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as =
fabrications and political opportunism Tuesday by a group of Vietnam =
veterans who served with him personally or in the units affiliated with =
him during his short tour of duty in Southeast Asia.
The veterans, including some of Kerry's former commanders and shipmates, =
have formed an organization called "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" and =
called on the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee to authorize =
release of all his service records, including medical records.
"We feel it is very, very import that the American people get the actual =
truth about that three or four months Kerry served in Vietnam since he =
has made it a center piece of his biography," said John O'Neill, who =
took charge of Kerry's boat and crew after Kerry left Vietnam. "Second, =
we resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back =
from Vietnam. ... We think that those have cast aspersion on those =
living and dead.
"We think he knew he was lying when he made them. We think they are =
unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American =
people. Third, we believe that based on our experience with him, he is =
totally unfit to be commander in chief."
Kerry, who commanded a river patrol boat, served about 4 months of a =
one-year tour of duty in Vietnam and won the Silver Star and Bronze =
Star. He requested and received reassignment to the United States after =
receiving three Purple Hearts for combat wounds, allowed under Navy =
regulations. The circumstances and merit of one of those awards has come =
into question in the campaign against President George W. Bush, leading =
to acrimonious mudslinging and a resurrection of the turmoil the =
conflict inflicted on American society.
Following his return and then discharge from the Navy, Kerry became a =
prominent anti-war activist and testified before Congress that he had =
witnessed U.S. forces committing atrocities and war crimes.
"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the U.S. =
armed forces," said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, chairman of the =
organization. "This is not a political issue. It is a matter of =
honesty."
Hoffman said Kerry had recently telephoned him and spent 45 minutes =
attempting to convince Hoffman of not proceeding with the formation of =
the organization, which Democrats Tuesday attacked as a shill for Bush.
Hoffmann, who debated Kerry on television in 1971 over Vietnam =
allegations, denied any ties to Bush or the Republican Party. The Swift =
boat veterans held differing political and social views, he said. "There =
is only one issue we all agree on, and that is the issue of John Kerry."
In a letter to Kerry signed by more than 200 Swift boats veterans, they =
wrote, "It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from =
Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American =
soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal =
of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us).
"Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material =
facts as to your own conduct in this war.
"We believe you continue this conduct today, albeit by changing from an =
anti-war to a 'war hero' status," the letter said.
The veterans Tuesday were vociferous in denying they had seen or had =
participated in wartime atrocities and questioned that if Kerry had =
indeed observed any, why he didn't report it as he was required to do.
One veteran, noting the allegations were again made in a book on Kerry's =
war experiences, choked back tears as he related how his wife and =
daughter had read about the alleged war crimes Kerry spoke about in =
Douglas Brinkley's "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War" and =
asked him if he had committed them.
Spokesmen for the Kerry campaign were not immediately available for =
comment Tuesday, but the Democratic National Committee put out a =
statement attacking the public relations company used by the group as =
having Republic Party connections. The veterans made no comment on the =
allegations.
Kerry has admitted a poor choice of words in his testimony before =
Congress in 1971 but says he served with honor in the war.
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05 May 2004 07:20:49 AM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:<98a99$409847f4$4076265a$2847@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com>...
By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in
Vietnam and his statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as
fabrications and political opportunism Tuesday by a group of Vietnam
veterans who served with him personally or in the units affiliated with
him during his short tour of duty in Southeast Asia.
SNIP
Kerry has admitted a poor choice of words in his testimony before
Congress in 1971 but says he served with honor in the war.
Oh drat, I thought it was because, he was Not Fat in Leather and on a Harley!
LB
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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05 May 2004 07:30:08 AM |
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Leigh wrote:
Oh drat, I thought it was because, he
was Not Fat in Leather and on a Harley!
LB
ha ha!
If I didn't know better......
I'd think that you have had a glimpse of my local chapter of the VIETNAM
VETS MOTORCYCLE CLUB!
:)
sUSAn
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05 May 2004 03:10:16 AM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:98a99$409847f4
$4076265a$2847@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in
Vietnam and his
statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as fabrications
Talking of fabrications - how would a veteran tank crewman not know what a
HEAT round is?
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| User: "dreamwalker" |
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05 May 2004 05:27:06 PM |
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:c7a7cu$9l4$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:98a99$409847f4
$4076265a$2847@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in
Vietnam and his
statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as fabrications
Talking of fabrications - how would a veteran tank crewman not know what a
HEAT round is?
I made it fairly clear. A heat round is a faulty definition of non-DU ammo. Your previous post
indicated that heat rounds were non-DU. Certian types of heat rounds carry a DU penatrator. DU in
itself is explosive when fired at velocities higher than 4000 fps.
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06 May 2004 04:24:27 AM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
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"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:c7a7cu$9l4$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:98a99$409847f4
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By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in
Vietnam and his
statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as fabrications
Talking of fabrications - how would a veteran tank crewman not know what
a
HEAT round is?
I made it fairly clear.
Made it fairly clear you are a lying *****!
A heat round is a faulty definition of non-DU ammo. Your previous post
indicated that heat rounds were non-DU. Certian types of heat rounds carry
a DU penatrator.
Oh I missed this bit (too busy laughing last time round) . You DO understand
the difference between kinetic rounds and shaped charge ones don't you? You
should, if you were a tanker, but apparently you don't, judging by the above
statement. Hmmm
DU in itself is explosive when fired at velocities higher than 4000 fps.
Again, *****. Laughable, ridiculous, ignorant *****!
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06 May 2004 01:25:15 AM |
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"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:759d1$40996a3c$40762823$11335@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:c7a7cu$9l4$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message
news:98a99$409847f4
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By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in
Vietnam and his
statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as fabrications
Talking of fabrications - how would a veteran tank crewman not know what
a
HEAT round is?
I made it fairly clear. A
Nope-
heat round is a faulty definition of non-DU ammo.
Nope, HEAT is a specific term..
Your previous post
indicated that heat rounds were non-DU.
Again, a HEAT round is a very specific term.
Certian types of heat rounds carry a DU penatrator. DU in
itself is explosive when fired at velocities higher than 4000 fps.
Nope. DU is NEVER explosive. DU dust is combiustible, but it CERTAINLY ain't
explosive.
Why are you such a liar?
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05 May 2004 09:48:49 PM |
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"dungwalker" <bullshittimus@maximus.com> vomitted:
"tw" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:c7a7cu$9l4$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
"dreamwalker" <backfromthe@dead.com> wrote in message news:98a99$409847f4
$4076265a$2847@powerweb.allthenewsgroups.com...
By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in
Vietnam and his
statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as fabrications
Talking of fabrications - how would a veteran tank crewman not know what a
HEAT round is?
I made it fairly clear. A heat round is a faulty definition of non-DU ammo. Your previous post
indicated that heat rounds were non-DU. Certian types of heat rounds carry a DU penatrator. DU in
itself is explosive when fired at velocities higher than 4000 fps.
LOL!
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