VIII.58
Regne en querelle aux freres divisé,
Prendre les armes & le nom Britannique
Tiltre Anglican sera tard advisé,
Surprins de nuict mener à l'air Gallique.
Line 3 - "Le titre 'Rex Angliae'"; "aperçu"
Line 4 - "[Sur]pris [= Sur Prince]"; mené
Verse translation
The realm the brothers shall at odds divide
The arms and name of Britain for to wrench:
The English kingly rank shall, late espied,
By night surprise him, led to a song in French.
Based on the 13th century "Récits d'un ménestrel de Reims", an
apocryphal romance telling how the French minstrel Blondel de Nesle
allegedly discovered and so brought about the release of his friend King
Richard I of England from imprisonment in a variety of castles
(1192-1194) by the Holy Roman Emperor Henry VI, after he had been
captured while trying to make his way home across Europe in disguise in
the wake of the failure of the Third Crusade to recapture Jerusalem from
Saladin. The story tells how Blondel wandered from castle to castle in
search of his lord, finally discovering him when the latter spotted him
from his prison and, through an archer's slot, sang aloud the first
verse of a ballad ("L'amours dont sui espris - compare Surprins in line
4) that the two of them had privately composed together. Ransomed at
huge expense and restored to his throne (to the disconcerture of his
brother John, who had been plotting against him in his absence), the
French-speaking Richard was duly crowned a second time before returning
to France, where he spent the remaining five years of his reign before
John finally succeeded him.
Merlin the Magician
"As it once was so shall it be again, world without end"
[TEOTW: 27, Shelter from the Storm, 346]
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: VIII.58 - The down to earth version |
05 Mar 2006 04:17:18 PM |
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Oh yes J Mayall sang I was looking back to see if she was looking back
to sse if I was looking back at her!
What makes you think old Nostie was versed in gilded tales of ***** and
Jack, one being the better by default only.
They both were c**ts of the first order.
Besides old Nostie may use old characters to depict modern ones, there
is nowt given in this one.
But for a truthful Jones:
C8Q58. A kingdom divided by two quarrelling brothers to take the arms
and the name of Britain. The Anglican title will be advised to watch
out, surprised by night ( the other is ), led to the French air.
LVIII. Regne en querelle aux freres divis=E9, Prendre les armes et le
nom Britannique Tiltre Anglican sera guard advis=E9, Surprins de nuit
mener =E0 l'air Gallique.
CVIIIQ 58. This one seems to be all for England, and while fairly
clear, none of the interpretations to date has done too well. As there
was no male successor (let alone two) to the English throne in sight
when Nostradamus wrote (other than titular King Philip), this is at
least a truly long-range prophecy, The subject seems to be a civil war
between brothers, with the compromise in line 3 having something to do
with the Anglican Church established under Edward VI (1547-53). One of
them flees to France. Probably the nearest it came to fulfillment was
in November and December of 1688, between James II and his son-in-law
(not brother), William of Orange. Since one of the biggest causes of
discontent was religious (the Catholic King had even arrested the
Archbishop of Canterbury and six other prelates in 1687), it is quite
possible that some follower suggested that the only way to save himself
would be for James to return to the Anglican faith, or to make some
sort of great gesture to the Church of England. Not having done so,
James took to the Gallic air on December 11.
Nothing like a Leoni for a benchmark!
LB
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| User: "Merlin" |
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| Title: Re: VIII.58 - The down to earth version |
06 Mar 2006 01:05:50 PM |
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wrote:
What makes you think old Nostie was versed in gilded tales of ***** and
Jack, one being the better by default only.
They both were c**ts of the first order.
I don't cherry-pick to suit any pre-conceived notions about who or what
Nostradamus may or may not have chosen to write about. I just present
the best fit I can find from the historical evidence. It's that simple!
Merlin
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: VIII.58 - The down to earth version |
06 Mar 2006 04:32:20 PM |
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But when one looks through his works his models are of the ancient
school of history as opposed to events several centuries before, like
would that history even be known in those times, (Nosties) let alone
discussed.
LB
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| User: "Claude Latremouille" |
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| Title: Re: VIII.58 - The down to earth... disinformation |
07 Mar 2006 10:31:53 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:05:50 +0000, Merlin <merlin@no-spam.com>
wrote in part:
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I don't cherry-pick to suit any pre-conceived notions about who or what
Nostradamus may or may not have chosen to write about. I just present
the best fit I can find from the historical evidence. It's that simple!
Merlin
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Yes, it is quite simple. First, Lemesurier, a.k.a. Britton,
writes a series of books about Nostradamus' prophecies. These
books present the view that Nostradamus was a seer and that his
writings were prophecies.
*
Then, something happens in the Kingdom of Britton. An
illumination, a Road to Damascus, an Eureka; in short, The
Britton finally sees the light. No, Nostradamus is no longer a
seer/prophet, his writings are no longer prophecies, but
Nostradamus only wrote about his own past.
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Then, more books follow, this time purporting to demonstrate this
newly-acquired pre-conceived notion: Nostradamus predicted his
past.
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Which explains this recent flurry of articles, self-styled 'down
to earth' versions, meaning... NOT PROPHETIC. This is what 'down
to earth' means in the Brittish vocabulary.
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Now, to those who are presumably 'up-in-the-sky', i.e., those who
are of the view that Nostradamus truly was a seer/prophet,
because 450 years of history has shown that he was, here is why
it is imperative, in 2006, that the Lemesurier disinformation
about Nostradamus only predicting the past be given (albeit
anonymously, via yet another pseudonym) a wider audience:
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Nostradamus' prophecy was written in a language which I call
meaningful gobbledygook, in some 30 books, between 1554(?) and
1566. All these texts are encyphered in the same manner, They all
tell of one future event, the unintended destruction of Paris, on
Sunday, August 13, 2017, at 3:53 a.m.
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The reason why it is imperative that this prophecy be discredited
at all cost is that the unintended destruction of Paris is the
consequence of sheer US military stupidity (the same US military
stupidity which downed a civilian Iranian plane in the Strait of
Ormuz, which killed four Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan, which
killed 136 Allied soldiers in the so-called Gulf War, which
killed innocent German tourists skiing in Cavalese, Italy, by
cutting the cable of their cablecar while flying *too high*,
sending it to the ground, which killed four Chinese nationals in
the unintended bombing of their Embassy in Belgrade, etc, etc.).
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The method used by the disinformation specialists, a bunch of
retired military folks, is to deny
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1. That Nostradamus ever spoke of the United States of America in
his prophecies.
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2. That Nostradamus ever predicted his future.
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3. That Nostradamus was a seer/prophet.
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This in turn explains why the sole direct reference by
Nostradamus to America was thrown into a rabbit's hat by our
resident Magician, so as to allow a rich lady to appear in its
stead.
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How? Easy. Simple. You take the word "Americh" in X-66 and turn
it into "dame riche"... which is the rich lady.
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If this does not work, you try something else: take the
expression "l'Americh" and turn it into "la mère riche", which
is... the rich mother.
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Who does this? A British literary fraud who says of himself:
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'I don't cherry-pick to suit any pre-conceived notions about who
or what Nostradamus may or may not have chosen to write about. I
just present the best fit I can find from the historical
evidence. It's that simple!'
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Given that this disinformation results in the death of 3,000,000
people in Paris in August 2017, it is quite appropriate in my
view to remind a.p.n. readers that their NewsGroup is the only
free source of information about Nostradamus' prophecy and that
it is therefore extremely vulnerable to disinformation utterred
by, or on behalf of, those who have an interest in discrediting
the prophetic nature of Nostradamus' texts.
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latrémouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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