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Topic: Science > Prophecies-Of-Nostradamus
User: "Nomen Nescio"
Date: 19 Oct 2007 12:00:05 PM
Object: Vulgate outshines them all (was: NEW KING JAMES VERSIONS...)
From: Daniel <babylon@usa>
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, arah <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:

Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant?"
http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/articles/saviororservant.asp
Do you see a difference between these two Bible versions?
King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed
shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent
him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his
iniquities.

New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed
all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus,
sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his
iniquities.
<snips>

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"vos estis filii prophetarum et testamenti quod
you are the sons of the prophets, and of the testament which
disposuit Deus ad patres vestros dicens ad Abraham
disposed Zeus toward the fathers of you, saying to Abraham
et in semine tuo benedicentur omnes familiae
And in the semen of you benedictory shall be wholly the families
terrae vobis primum Deus suscitans Filium
of the earth. to you first, Zeus having raised up the Son
suum misit eum benedicentem vobis ut
of him, did send him for the benediction of you, in order to
convertat se unusquisque a nequitia sua"
be converting yourselves and each one from the wickedness of you.
--Acts 3:25-26, editio Vulgata
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: Vulgate outshines them all (was: NEW KING JAMES VERSIONS...) 19 Oct 2007 12:34:52 PM
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:00:05 +0200 (CEST), in alt.talk.creationism
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
<f8a19e35abba6b90976a59789a959e7a@dizum.com>:

From: Daniel <babylon@usa>

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, arah <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:

Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant?"
http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/articles/saviororservant.asp
Do you see a difference between these two Bible versions?
King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed
shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent
him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his
iniquities.

New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed
all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus,
sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his
iniquities.
<snips>


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

"vos estis filii prophetarum et testamenti quod
you are the sons of the prophets, and of the testament which

disposuit Deus ad patres vestros dicens ad Abraham
disposed Zeus toward the fathers of you, saying to Abraham

et in semine tuo benedicentur omnes familiae
And in the semen of you benedictory shall be wholly the families

terrae vobis primum Deus suscitans Filium
of the earth. to you first, Zeus having raised up the Son

suum misit eum benedicentem vobis ut
of him, did send him for the benediction of you, in order to

convertat se unusquisque a nequitia sua"
be converting yourselves and each one from the wickedness of you.

--Acts 3:25-26, editio Vulgata

Your English interlinear translation gets a failing grade.
.
User: "Sam Taylor"

Title: Re: Vulgate outshines them all (was: NEW KING JAMES VERSIONS...) 20 Oct 2007 10:53:46 AM
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:34:52 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:


which Vulgate isthat as the Vulgate is series of text
that vary greatly from translation to translation.
these are from the 6th century to the 15th century
and vary greatly from the Alexendrinus's the syriatic
and the various sinaticus's
.
User: "Mistylien"

Title: Re: Vulgate outshines them all (was: NEW KING JAMES VERSIONS...) 21 Oct 2007 12:10:45 AM
"Sam Taylor" <cygnet@cncnet.com> wrote in message
news:lt8kh3dm0d38cajlpmftipigf8hohiofhq@4ax.com...

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:34:52 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:



which Vulgate isthat as the Vulgate is series of text
that vary greatly from translation to translation.
these are from the 6th century to the 15th century
and vary greatly from the Alexendrinus's the syriatic
and the various sinaticus's

how does it all stack up with The Spirit of Truth
or the Holy Spirit?
.
User: "Sam Taylor"

Title: Re: Vulgate outshines them all (was: NEW KING JAMES VERSIONS...) 22 Oct 2007 09:51:54 PM
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:10:45 -0500, "Mistylien"
<yardholler@charter.net> wrote:


"Sam Taylor" <cygnet@cncnet.com> wrote in message
news:lt8kh3dm0d38cajlpmftipigf8hohiofhq@4ax.com...

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:34:52 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:



which Vulgate isthat as the Vulgate is series of text
that vary greatly from translation to translation.
these are from the 6th century to the 15th century
and vary greatly from the Alexendrinus's the syriatic
and the various sinaticus's


how does it all stack up with The Spirit of Truth
or the Holy Spirit?

depend upon the spirit, it does not say when king jimmy is lifted up
It would lead Men unto god. nor is paul known for preaching out of a
king jimmy, nor one of the variuos textus receptuses
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Vulgate outshines them all (was: NEW KING JAMES VERSIONS...) 19 Oct 2007 02:58:19 PM
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:34:52 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:00:05 +0200 (CEST), in alt.talk.creationism
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
<f8a19e35abba6b90976a59789a959e7a@dizum.com>:

From: Daniel <babylon@usa>

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, arah <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:

Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant?"
http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/articles/saviororservant.asp
Do you see a difference between these two Bible versions?
King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed
shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent
him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his
iniquities.

New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed
all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus,
sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his
iniquities.
<snips>


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

"vos estis filii prophetarum et testamenti quod
you are the sons of the prophets, and of the testament which

disposuit Deus ad patres vestros dicens ad Abraham
disposed Zeus toward the fathers of you, saying to Abraham

et in semine tuo benedicentur omnes familiae
And in the semen of you benedictory shall be wholly the families

terrae vobis primum Deus suscitans Filium
of the earth. to you first, Zeus having raised up the Son

suum misit eum benedicentem vobis ut
of him, did send him for the benediction of you, in order to

convertat se unusquisque a nequitia sua"
be converting yourselves and each one from the wickedness of you.

--Acts 3:25-26, editio Vulgata


Your English interlinear translation gets a failing grade.

That's because they are tryng to use a LATIN edition to "explain" the
English translation that was made from the GREEK text.
The Latin text was itself a translation of a GREEK text in this case,
so they are trying to use a translation of one language to compare to
a different translation. Translating from Greek into Latin into
English is NEVER as good as translating directly from Greek into
English. You lose a certain amount in each translation, TWICE as much
when you go thru two layers of translation as when you go through one.
Perhaps they should consider a GREEK/English translation. It would be
much better.
Checker
.
User: "Mark Evans"

Title: Re: Vulgate outshines them all (was: NEW KING JAMES VERSIONS...) 19 Oct 2007 09:32:07 PM
On Oct 19, 3:58 pm,
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:34:52 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:



On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:00:05 +0200 (CEST), in alt.talk.creationism
Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in
<f8a19e35abba6b90976a59789a959...@dizum.com>:

From: Daniel <babylon@usa>


On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant?"
http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/articles/saviororserva...
Do you see a difference between these two Bible versions?
King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed
shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent
him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his
iniquities.


New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed
all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus,
sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his
iniquities.
<snips>


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----


"vos estis filii prophetarum et testamenti quod
you are the sons of the prophets, and of the testament which


disposuit Deus ad patres vestros dicens ad Abraham
disposed Zeus toward the fathers of you, saying to Abraham


et in semine tuo benedicentur omnes familiae
And in the semen of you benedictory shall be wholly the families


terrae vobis primum Deus suscitans Filium
of the earth. to you first, Zeus having raised up the Son


suum misit eum benedicentem vobis ut
of him, did send him for the benediction of you, in order to


convertat se unusquisque a nequitia sua"
be converting yourselves and each one from the wickedness of you.


--Acts 3:25-26, editio Vulgata


Your English interlinear translation gets a failing grade.


That's because they are tryng to use a LATIN edition to "explain" the
English translation that was made from the GREEK text.

The Latin text was itself a translation of a GREEK text in this case,
so they are trying to use a translation of one language to compare to
a different translation. Translating from Greek into Latin into
English is NEVER as good as translating directly from Greek into
English. You lose a certain amount in each translation, TWICE as much
when you go thru two layers of translation as when you go through one.

Perhaps they should consider a GREEK/English translation. It would be
much better.

Checker

Seen this translation? http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Mark Evans
.




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