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Date: 27 Jan 2005 03:27:57 PM
Object: WALKING WOUNDED
WALKING WOUNDED
OLD SOLDIERS DON=B9T FADE AWAY
By Fred Reed
The American Conservative
January 31, 2005 issue
http://amconmag.com/2005_01_31/article1.html
The observant will have noticed that we hear little from the troops in
Iraq
and see almost nothing of the wounded. Why, one might wonder, does not
CNN
put an enlisted Marine before a camera and, for 15 minutes without
editing,
let him say what he thinks? Is he not an adult and a citizen? Is he not
engaged in important events on our behalf?
Sound political reasons exist. Soldiers are a risk PR-wise, the wounded
a
liability. No one can tell what they might say, and conspicuous
dismemberment is bad for recruiting. An enlisted man in front of a
camera is
dangerous. He could wreck the governmental spin apparatus in five
minutes.
It is better to keep soldiers discreetly out of sight.
So we do not see much of the casualties, ours or theirs. Yet they are
there,
somewhere, with missing legs, blind, becoming accustomed to groping at
things in their new darkness, learning to use the wheelchairs that will
be
theirs for 50 years. Some face worse fates than others. Quadriplegics
will
be warehoused in VA hospitals where nurses will turn them at intervals,
like
hamburgers, to prevent bedsores. Friends and relatives will soon forget
them. Suicide will be a frequent thought. The less damaged will get
around.
For a brief moment perhaps the casualties will believe, then try
desperately
to keep believing, that they did something brave and worthy and
terribly
important for that abstraction, country. Some will expect thanks. But
there
will be no thanks, or few, and those quickly forgotten. It will be
worse.
People will ask how they lost the leg. In Iraq, they will say, hoping
for
sympathy, or respect, or understanding. The response, often unvoiced
but
unmistakable, will be, "What did you do that for?" The wounded will
realize
that they are not only crippled, but freaks.
The years will go by. Iraq will fade into the mist. Wars always do. A
generation will rise for whom it will be just history. The dismembered
veterans will find first that almost nobody appreciates what they did,
then
that few even remember it. If -- when, many would say -- the United
States
is driven out of Iraq, the soldiers will look back and realize that the
whole affair was a fraud. Wars are just wars. They seem important at
the
time. At any rate, we are told that they are important.
Yet the wounds will remain. Arms do not grow back. For the paralyzed
there
will never be girlfriends, dancing, rolling in the grass with children.
The
blind will adapt as best they can. Those with merely a missing leg will
count themselves lucky. They will hobble about, managing to lead
semi-normal
lives, and people will say, "How well he handles it." An admirable
freak.
For others it will be less good. A colostomy bag is a sorry companion
on a
wedding night.
These men will come to hate. It will not be the Iraqis they hate. This
we do
not talk about.
It is hard to admit that one has been used. Some of the crippled will
forever insist that the war was needed, that they were protecting their
sisters from an Islamic invasion, or Vietnamese, or Chinese. Others
will
keep quiet and drink too much. Still others will read, grow older and
wiser
-- and bitter. They will remember that their vice president, a man
named
Cheney, said that during his war, the one in Asia, he "had other
priorities." The veterans will remember this when everyone else has
long
since forgotten Cheney.
I once watched the first meeting between a young Marine from the South,
blind, much of his face shot away, and his high-school sweetheart, who
had
come from Tennessee to Bethesda Naval Hospital to see him.
Hatred comes easily. There are wounds and there are wounds. A friend of
mine
spent two tours in Asia in that war now little remembered. He killed
many
people, not all of them soldiers. It is what happens in wars. The
memory
haunts him. Jack is a hard man from a tough neighborhood, quick with
his
fists, intelligent but uneducated -- not a liberal flower vain over his
sensitivity. He lives in Mexican bars few would enter and has no
politics
beyond an anger toward government. He was not a joyous killer. He
remembers
what he did, knows now that he was had. It gnaws at him. One is wise to
stay
away from him when he is drinking.
People say that this war isn't like Vietnam. They are correct.
Washington
fights its war in Iraq with no better understanding of Iraq than it had
of
Vietnam, but with much better understanding of the United States. The
Pentagon learned from Asia. This time around it has controlled the
press
well. Here is the great lesson of Southeast Asia: the press is
dangerous,
not because it is inaccurate, which it often is, but because it often
isn't.
So we don't much see the caskets -- for reasons of privacy, you
understand.
The war in Iraq is fought by volunteers, which means people that no one
in
power cares about. No one in the mysteriously named "elite" gives a
damn
about some kid from a town in Tennessee that has one gas station and a
beer
hall with a stuffed buck's head. Such a kid is a redneck at best,
pretty
much from another planet, and certainly not someone you would let your
daughter date. If conscription came back, and college students with
rich
parents learned to live in fear of The Envelope, riots would blossom as
before. Now Yale can rest easy. Thank God for throwaway people.
The nearly perfect separation between the military and the rest of the
country, or at least the influential in the country, is wonderful for
the
war effort. It prevents concern. How many people with a college degree
even
know a soldier? Yes, some, and I will get e-mail from them, but they
are a
minority. How many Americans have been on a military base? Or, to be
truly
absurd, how many men in combat arms went to, say, Harvard? Ah, but they
have
other priorities.
In 15 years in Washington, I knew many, many reporters and
intellectuals and
educated people. Almost none had worn boots. So it is. Those who count
do
not have to go, and do not know anyone who has gone, and don't interest
themselves. There is a price for this, though not one Washington cares
about. Across America, in places where you might not expect it -- in
Legion
halls and VFW posts, among those who carry membership cards from the
Disabled American Veterans -- there are men who hate. They don't hate
America. They hate those who sent them. Talk to the wounded from Iraq
in
five years.
.

User: "Krib"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 28 Jan 2005 04:04:06 AM
<jha_amin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106861277.043287.198290@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

WALKING WOUNDED
OLD SOLDIERS DONąT FADE AWAY

Powerful stuff, I'd be interested to read the responses of any of our
resident, gutless chickenhawks who never had the guts to serve yet
can't wait for their troops to meet warfare.
C'mon guernon, mcdonald, tony, dreamwalker... let's see your responses
you cowardly filth.
--
krib
.

User: "WH"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 28 Jan 2005 03:07:21 AM
wrote:

WALKING WOUNDED
OLD SOLDIERS DON=B9T FADE AWAY
By Fred Reed
The American Conservative
January 31, 2005 issue

http://amconmag.com/2005_01_31/article1.html

The observant will have noticed that we hear little from the troops

in

Iraq
and see almost nothing of the wounded. Why, one might wonder, does

not

CNN
put an enlisted Marine before a camera and, for 15 minutes without
editing,
let him say what he thinks? Is he not an adult and a citizen? Is he

not

engaged in important events on our behalf?

Sound political reasons exist. Soldiers are a risk PR-wise, the

wounded

a
liability. No one can tell what they might say, and conspicuous
dismemberment is bad for recruiting. An enlisted man in front of a
camera is
dangerous. He could wreck the governmental spin apparatus in five
minutes.
It is better to keep soldiers discreetly out of sight.

So we do not see much of the casualties, ours or theirs. Yet they are
there,
somewhere, with missing legs, blind, becoming accustomed to groping

at

things in their new darkness, learning to use the wheelchairs that

will

be
theirs for 50 years. Some face worse fates than others. Quadriplegics
will
be warehoused in VA hospitals where nurses will turn them at

intervals,

like
hamburgers, to prevent bedsores. Friends and relatives will soon

forget

them. Suicide will be a frequent thought. The less damaged will get
around.

For a brief moment perhaps the casualties will believe, then try
desperately
to keep believing, that they did something brave and worthy and
terribly
important for that abstraction, country. Some will expect thanks. But
there
will be no thanks, or few, and those quickly forgotten. It will be
worse.
People will ask how they lost the leg. In Iraq, they will say, hoping
for
sympathy, or respect, or understanding. The response, often unvoiced
but
unmistakable, will be, "What did you do that for?" The wounded will
realize
that they are not only crippled, but freaks.

The years will go by. Iraq will fade into the mist. Wars always do. A
generation will rise for whom it will be just history. The

dismembered

veterans will find first that almost nobody appreciates what they

did,

then
that few even remember it. If -- when, many would say -- the United
States
is driven out of Iraq, the soldiers will look back and realize that

the

whole affair was a fraud. Wars are just wars. They seem important at
the
time. At any rate, we are told that they are important.

Yet the wounds will remain. Arms do not grow back. For the paralyzed
there
will never be girlfriends, dancing, rolling in the grass with

children.

The
blind will adapt as best they can. Those with merely a missing leg

will

count themselves lucky. They will hobble about, managing to lead
semi-normal
lives, and people will say, "How well he handles it." An admirable
freak.
For others it will be less good. A colostomy bag is a sorry companion
on a
wedding night.

These men will come to hate. It will not be the Iraqis they hate.

This

we do
not talk about.

It is hard to admit that one has been used. Some of the crippled will
forever insist that the war was needed, that they were protecting

their

sisters from an Islamic invasion, or Vietnamese, or Chinese. Others
will
keep quiet and drink too much. Still others will read, grow older and
wiser
-- and bitter. They will remember that their vice president, a man
named
Cheney, said that during his war, the one in Asia, he "had other
priorities." The veterans will remember this when everyone else has
long
since forgotten Cheney.

I once watched the first meeting between a young Marine from the

South,

blind, much of his face shot away, and his high-school sweetheart,

who

had
come from Tennessee to Bethesda Naval Hospital to see him.

Hatred comes easily. There are wounds and there are wounds. A friend

of

mine
spent two tours in Asia in that war now little remembered. He killed
many
people, not all of them soldiers. It is what happens in wars. The
memory
haunts him. Jack is a hard man from a tough neighborhood, quick with
his
fists, intelligent but uneducated -- not a liberal flower vain over

his

sensitivity. He lives in Mexican bars few would enter and has no
politics
beyond an anger toward government. He was not a joyous killer. He
remembers
what he did, knows now that he was had. It gnaws at him. One is wise

to

stay
away from him when he is drinking.

People say that this war isn't like Vietnam. They are correct.
Washington
fights its war in Iraq with no better understanding of Iraq than it

had

of
Vietnam, but with much better understanding of the United States. The
Pentagon learned from Asia. This time around it has controlled the
press
well. Here is the great lesson of Southeast Asia: the press is
dangerous,
not because it is inaccurate, which it often is, but because it often
isn't.
So we don't much see the caskets -- for reasons of privacy, you
understand.

The war in Iraq is fought by volunteers, which means people that no

one

in
power cares about. No one in the mysteriously named "elite" gives a
damn
about some kid from a town in Tennessee that has one gas station and

a

beer
hall with a stuffed buck's head. Such a kid is a redneck at best,
pretty
much from another planet, and certainly not someone you would let

your

daughter date. If conscription came back, and college students with
rich
parents learned to live in fear of The Envelope, riots would blossom

as

before. Now Yale can rest easy. Thank God for throwaway people.

The nearly perfect separation between the military and the rest of

the

country, or at least the influential in the country, is wonderful for
the
war effort. It prevents concern. How many people with a college

degree

even
know a soldier? Yes, some, and I will get e-mail from them, but they
are a
minority. How many Americans have been on a military base? Or, to be
truly
absurd, how many men in combat arms went to, say, Harvard? Ah, but

they

have
other priorities.

In 15 years in Washington, I knew many, many reporters and
intellectuals and
educated people. Almost none had worn boots. So it is. Those who

count

do
not have to go, and do not know anyone who has gone, and don't

interest

themselves. There is a price for this, though not one Washington

cares

about. Across America, in places where you might not expect it -- in
Legion
halls and VFW posts, among those who carry membership cards from the
Disabled American Veterans -- there are men who hate. They don't hate
America. They hate those who sent them. Talk to the wounded from Iraq
in
five years.

Another great article. You're posting some really good stuff lately
Jha...real and to the point...keep it up.
WH
.
User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 29 Jan 2005 10:12:17 AM

"WH"


wrote:

Another great article. You're posting >some really good stuff lately
Jha...real and to the point...keep it up.

LOL!!!
Look at the IRA Terrorist sucking up to the Sollogite.
Tony
.
User: "The CO"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 29 Jan 2005 10:46:24 AM
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050129111217.16059.00000285@mb-m15.aol.com...

"WH"


wrote:

Another great article. You're posting >some really good stuff lately
Jha...real and to the point...keep it up.


LOL!!!

Look at the IRA Terrorist sucking up to the Sollogite.

Oh? I took it as sarcasm actually.
The CO
.


User: "TonyZ2001"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 29 Jan 2005 10:16:05 AM

jha_amin@yahoo.com wrote:
The observant will have noticed that we >hear little from the troops in Iraq

and see >almost nothing of the wounded.
That's because you limit yourself to Liberal news, FoxNews Channel has lots of
coverage of and with our troops, the wounded included, and the great majority
of which say that not enough is being reported about all the good things taking
place in Iraq.

Why, one might wonder, does
not CNN put an enlisted Marine before a >camera and, for 15 minutes without
editing, let him say what he thinks?

LOL!!!
You know why CNN doesn't do this? Because like all Liberals CNN is rooting for
the US to fail in Iraq and they do not want our troops going on the air telling
the American people how import this war in Iraq is.
FoxNews Channel has our Military personel live and speaking their mind all the
time.
You Liberal pinheads need to wake the ***** up.
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 30 Jan 2005 06:19:56 PM
(TonyZ2001) Spat the Words

jha_amin@yahoo.com wrote:


The observant will have noticed that we >hear little from the troops in
Iraq

and see >almost nothing of the wounded.

That's because you limit yourself to Liberal news, FoxNews Channel has
lots of coverage of and with our troops, the wounded included, and the
great majority of which say that not enough is being reported about all
the good things taking place in Iraq.

Why, one might wonder, does
not CNN put an enlisted Marine before a >camera and, for 15 minutes
without editing, let him say what he thinks?


LOL!!!

You know why CNN doesn't do this? Because like all Liberals CNN is
rooting for the US to fail in Iraq

We don't have to root, it's happening before our very eyes.
Running to the polling booth, dodging hails of gunfire and
flying grenades? What the ***** is that all about? Face it
tony, we don't have the manpower there to provide security.
Inept management, a la George Bush.

and they do not want our troops going
on the air telling the American people how import this war in Iraq is.

FoxNews Channel has our Military personel live and speaking their mind
all the time.

You Liberal pinheads need to wake the ***** up.

Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 31 Jan 2005 06:57:21 AM

tonyz2001@aol.com (TonyZ2001) Spat the Words

jha_amin@yahoo.com wrote:


The observant will have noticed that we >hear little from the troops in
Iraq

and see >almost nothing of the wounded.

That's because you limit yourself to Liberal news, FoxNews Channel has
lots of coverage of and with our troops, the wounded included, and the
great majority of which say that not enough is being reported about all
the good things taking place in Iraq.

Why, one might wonder, does
not CNN put an enlisted Marine before a >camera and, for 15 minutes
without editing, let him say what he thinks?


LOL!!!
You know why CNN doesn't do this? Because like all Liberals CNN is
rooting for the US to fail in Iraq

We don't have to root, it's happening before our very eyes.
Running to the polling booth, dodging hails of gunfire and
flying grenades?

LOL!!!
Hey loser, the elections were a huge success, so WTF are you talking
about?
Do you enjoy being a clown?
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 04 Feb 2005 12:29:11 AM
Spat the Words

LOL!!!

Hey loser, the elections were a huge success, so WTF are you talking
about?

Congratulations. Bush just created the greater republic of
Shia-Kurdistan. A western democracy once again carves up
Iraq. Now all you need is to round up all the sunnis, put them
in Anbar province, and build a huge concrete wall around it.
That should be a $20 Billion contract, and I bet Haliburton
is just suited to perform on that. Great how everything works
out. We Americans are the can-do people. We'll tear your
country apart, and we'll build it right back up again.


Do you enjoy being a clown?

Speak for yourself.


Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 04 Feb 2005 09:45:46 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

LOL!!!

Hey loser, the elections were a huge success, so WTF are you talking
about?

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Bush just created the greater republic of Shia-Kurdistan.

Wrong. If Sunnis are under represented they have thensleves to
blame for not voting.

A western democracy once again carves up
Iraq. Now all you need is to round up all the sunnis, put them
in Anbar province, and build a huge concrete wall around it.
That should be a $20 Billion contract, and I bet Haliburton
is just suited to perform on that. Great how everything works
out. We Americans are the can-do people. We'll tear your
country apart, and we'll build it right back up again.

Gee, Europe and Japan seem to have done quite well after
being rebuilt by mostly American $$$.
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 05 Feb 2005 09:49:37 PM
Spat the Words

Spat the Words

LOL!!!

Hey loser, the elections were a huge success, so WTF are you talking
about?


Congratulations.


Thank you.

Shia.. shia.. Shia-Kurdistan!
Gazoontite.


Bush just created the greater republic of Shia-Kurdistan.


Wrong. If Sunnis are under represented they have thensleves to
blame for not voting.



A western democracy once again carves up
Iraq. Now all you need is to round up all the sunnis, put them
in Anbar province, and build a huge concrete wall around it.
That should be a $20 Billion contract, and I bet Haliburton
is just suited to perform on that. Great how everything works
out. We Americans are the can-do people. We'll tear your
country apart, and we'll build it right back up again.


Gee, Europe and Japan seem to have done quite well after
being rebuilt by mostly American $$$.

Germany and Japan had invaded and occupied a number of
countries before getting steam-rolled by the remainder of
the free world. Iraq was not doing that when Bush, all by
himself, decided to steam-roll the Iraqis.
You can't blame the sunnis for being angry at the US, and
through sheer stupidity and laziness Bush didn't have a
plan for post-war Iraq.



Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 06 Feb 2005 08:31:37 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

LOL!!!

Hey loser, the elections were a huge success, so WTF are you talking
about?


Congratulations.


Thank you.


Shia.. shia.. Shia-Kurdistan!
Gazoontite.

Bush just created the greater republic of Shia-Kurdistan.

Wrong. If Sunnis are under represented they have thensleves to
blame for not voting.

A western democracy once again carves up
Iraq. Now all you need is to round up all the sunnis, put them
in Anbar province, and build a huge concrete wall around it.
That should be a $20 Billion contract, and I bet Haliburton
is just suited to perform on that. Great how everything works
out. We Americans are the can-do people. We'll tear your
country apart, and we'll build it right back up again.


Gee, Europe and Japan seem to have done quite well after
being rebuilt by mostly American $$$.

Germany and Japan had invaded and occupied a number of
countries before getting steam-rolled by the remainder of
the free world. Iraq was not doing that when Bush, all by
himself, decided to steam-roll the Iraqis.

Wrong.
Saddam had invaded 2 countries and attacked 4 others and was
threatening to do so again. Were we suposed to wait and see?

You can't blame the sunnis for being angry at the US, and
through sheer stupidity and laziness Bush didn't have a
plan for post-war Iraq.

The plan seems to be going pretty darn well, free elections,
democracy.
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 06 Feb 2005 09:09:17 PM
Spat the Words

Gee, Europe and Japan seem to have done quite well after
being rebuilt by mostly American $$$.


Germany and Japan had invaded and occupied a number of
countries before getting steam-rolled by the remainder of
the free world. Iraq was not doing that when Bush, all by
himself, decided to steam-roll the Iraqis.


Wrong.

Saddam had invaded 2 countries and attacked 4 others and was
threatening to do so again. Were we suposed to wait and see?

Yes. What was Iraq to Bush ? A really big gasoline station I
suspect. 50 years ago China invaded Tibet, and never left. Why
should Bush want to go after Iraq and not China ? Bush's thinking
doesn't make any sense and your after-the-fact justifications
don't help much.


You can't blame the sunnis for being angry at the US, and
through sheer stupidity and laziness Bush didn't have a
plan for post-war Iraq.


The plan seems to be going pretty darn well, free elections,
democracy.

But it's not the reason Bush gave for going to war...
doesn't appear there ever was any plan.


Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 07 Feb 2005 07:37:05 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

Gee, Europe and Japan seem to have done quite well after
being rebuilt by mostly American $$$.


Germany and Japan had invaded and occupied a number of
countries before getting steam-rolled by the remainder of
the free world. Iraq was not doing that when Bush, all by
himself, decided to steam-roll the Iraqis.

Wrong.
Saddam had invaded 2 countries and attacked 4 others and was
threatening to do so again. Were we suposed to wait and see?

Yes.

More proof that you are a total clown.

You can't blame the sunnis for being angry at the US, and
through sheer stupidity and laziness Bush didn't have a
plan for post-war Iraq.

The plan seems to be going pretty darn well, free elections,
democracy.

But it's not the reason Bush gave for going to war...
doesn't appear there ever was any plan.

Can you do anything besides whine?
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 07 Feb 2005 10:32:58 PM
Spat the Words

Spat the Words

Gee, Europe and Japan seem to have done quite well after
being rebuilt by mostly American $$$.


Germany and Japan had invaded and occupied a number of
countries before getting steam-rolled by the remainder of
the free world. Iraq was not doing that when Bush, all by
himself, decided to steam-roll the Iraqis.


Wrong.


Saddam had invaded 2 countries and attacked 4 others and was
threatening to do so again. Were we suposed to wait and see?


Yes.


More proof that you are a total clown.

That was a stunning bit of pointed argument there tony.


You can't blame the sunnis for being angry at the US, and
through sheer stupidity and laziness Bush didn't have a
plan for post-war Iraq.


The plan seems to be going pretty darn well, free elections,
democracy.


But it's not the reason Bush gave for going to war...
doesn't appear there ever was any plan.


Can you do anything besides whine?

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 08 Feb 2005 11:23:24 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

Gee, Europe and Japan seem to have done quite well after
being rebuilt by mostly American $$$.


Germany and Japan had invaded and occupied a number of
countries before getting steam-rolled by the remainder of
the free world. Iraq was not doing that when Bush, all by
himself, decided to steam-roll the Iraqis.


Wrong.


Saddam had invaded 2 countries and attacked 4 others and was
threatening to do so again. Were we suposed to wait and see?


Yes.

More proof that you are a total clown.

That was a stunning bit of pointed argument there tony.

Indeed it was.

You can't blame the sunnis for being angry at the US, and
through sheer stupidity and laziness Bush didn't have a
plan for post-war Iraq.


The plan seems to be going pretty darn well, free elections,
democracy.


But it's not the reason Bush gave for going to war...
doesn't appear there ever was any plan.

Can you do anything besides whine?

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?

Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections for
the Iraqi people.
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 08 Feb 2005 11:14:38 PM
Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections for
the Iraqi people.

That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.
What planet are you on?


Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 09 Feb 2005 08:55:02 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections for
the Iraqi people.

That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.

War is unpredictable, anyone with even half a brain knows this, that
you expected this war to be without surprises shows what a boob you
are.
The fact is that you cannot accept the fact that President Bush almost
single handedly freed 2 nations and gave them the chance to have a
democratci government and self determination.
That you are saddened by this outcome shows what a piece of ***** you
are.
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 09 Feb 2005 11:11:49 PM
Spat the Words

Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections for
the Iraqi people.


That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.


War is unpredictable, anyone with even half a brain knows this, that
you expected this war to be without surprises shows what a boob you
are.

People with half a brain don't go into unpredictable situations.
Unfortunately Bush only has a quarter of a brain.


The fact is that you cannot accept the fact that President Bush almost
single handedly freed 2 nations and gave them the chance to have a
democratci government and self determination.

The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there.
It's like the doctor getting you hooked on drugs so you must
continue to get his treatment and pay his fees.


That you are saddened by this outcome shows what a piece of ***** you
are.

Yes, you're angry. This is good. Someday you may come to
some very basic understanding of these things.


Tony

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User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 10 Feb 2005 07:17:53 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections for
the Iraqi people.


That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.


War is unpredictable, anyone with even half a brain knows this, that
you expected this war to be without surprises shows what a boob you
are.

People with half a brain don't go into unpredictable situations.
Unfortunately Bush only has a quarter of a brain.

ROFLMAO!!! If this were the case, nothing would get done in the world.

The fact is that you cannot accept the fact that President Bush almost
single handedly freed 2 nations and gave them the chance to have a
democratci government and self determination.

The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there.
It's like the doctor getting you hooked on drugs so you must
continue to get his treatment and pay his fees.

So once again you place no faith in the Iraqi or Afghani people and
put forth the idea that you are superior to them.

That you are saddened by this outcome shows what a piece of ***** you
are.

Yes, you're angry.

Me? No Clown, you're the one who's upset with the success that
President Bush has had in freeing these 2 nations.
Tony
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User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 11 Feb 2005 12:19:50 AM
Spat the Words

Spat the Words

Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections for
the Iraqi people.


That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.


War is unpredictable, anyone with even half a brain knows this, that
you expected this war to be without surprises shows what a boob you
are.


People with half a brain don't go into unpredictable situations.
Unfortunately Bush only has a quarter of a brain.


ROFLMAO!!! If this were the case, nothing would get done in the world.

The fact is that you cannot accept the fact that President Bush almost
single handedly freed 2 nations and gave them the chance to have a
democratci government and self determination.


The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there.
It's like the doctor getting you hooked on drugs so you must
continue to get his treatment and pay his fees.


So once again you place no faith in the Iraqi or Afghani people and
put forth the idea that you are superior to them.

Actually it was your idea. Where do you get that ***** ?
Try reading history some time. When we install governments in
other countries they usually get overthrown (Shaw of Iran was
a good example). The people speak... they don't want US puppet
goverments.
It makes you angry this will turn into a very expensive failure,
and Bush presided over the whole thing.


That you are saddened by this outcome shows what a piece of ***** you
are.


Yes, you're angry.


Me no Clown.

Yes, you are a clown.


Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 11 Feb 2005 11:40:48 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections for
the Iraqi people.


That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.


War is unpredictable, anyone with even half a brain knows this, that
you expected this war to be without surprises shows what a boob you
are.


People with half a brain don't go into unpredictable situations.
Unfortunately Bush only has a quarter of a brain.


ROFLMAO!!! If this were the case, nothing would get done in the world.

The fact is that you cannot accept the fact that President Bush almost
single handedly freed 2 nations and gave them the chance to have a
democratci government and self determination.


The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there.
It's like the doctor getting you hooked on drugs so you must
continue to get his treatment and pay his fees.

So once again you place no faith in the Iraqi or Afghani people and
put forth the idea that you are superior to them.

Actually it was your idea. Where do you get that ***** ?

You are the one saying that the Iraqi's cannot have a democracy unless
US forces are there, therefore YOU are saying that they are incapable
to run a democracy on their own, therefore you must think that they
are inferior.

Try reading history some time. When we install governments in
other countries they usually get overthrown (Shaw of Iran was
a good example). The people speak... they don't want US puppet
goverments.

Take you own advice, we are not installing anything, the Iraqi people
VOTED for the representatives that THEY WANT.
Get it now,clown?

It makes you angry this will turn into a very expensive failure,
and Bush presided over the whole thing.

I know that you are rooting for this all to fail, it shows what you
are truely all about. So why are you so against thr Iraqi people
having a democracy?
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 13 Feb 2005 10:48:14 AM
Spat the Words

Spat the Words

Spat the Words

Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections

for

the Iraqi people.


That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.


War is unpredictable, anyone with even half a brain knows this, that
you expected this war to be without surprises shows what a boob you
are.


People with half a brain don't go into unpredictable situations.
Unfortunately Bush only has a quarter of a brain.


ROFLMAO!!! If this were the case, nothing would get done in the world.


The fact is that you cannot accept the fact that President Bush

almost

single handedly freed 2 nations and gave them the chance to have a
democratci government and self determination.


The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there.
It's like the doctor getting you hooked on drugs so you must
continue to get his treatment and pay his fees.


So once again you place no faith in the Iraqi or Afghani people and
put forth the idea that you are superior to them.


Actually it was your idea. Where do you get that ***** ?


You are the one saying that the Iraqi's cannot have a democracy unless
US forces are there, therefore YOU are saying that they are incapable
to run a democracy on their own, therefore you must think that they
are inferior.

I didn't say those things. Where are you getting this *****,
tony-baloney ?


Try reading history some time. When we install governments in
other countries they usually get overthrown (Shaw of Iran was
a good example). The people speak... they don't want US puppet
goverments.


Take you own advice, we are not installing anything, the Iraqi people
VOTED for the representatives that THEY WANT.

Good. Let's see if it happens. Bush has just created a second
Iran in the region... a shiite theocracy... and they'll be
working on nuclear technology some time soon. Is that what you
wanted ?
And why are US troops there if the people are directing things
for themselves ? Could it be Bush doesn't want to relinquish
control ?


Get it now,clown?

It makes you angry this will turn into a very expensive failure,
and Bush presided over the whole thing.


I know that you are rooting for this all to fail, it shows what you
are truely all about. So why are you so against thr Iraqi people
having a democracy?

As usual, things are a little more complicated than you make
them out to be. Us versus Them, right ? 'With US or Against Us' ?
Terrorists in Iraq ? What a hooey you are.
Hooey-balooey, tony-baloney.


Tony



.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 13 Feb 2005 11:17:41 AM

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

itwill@happen.com Spat the Words

Talk to me. Why didn't Bush have a post-war plan for Iraq?


Obviously he did, you just saw that plan result in free elections

for

the Iraqi people.


That's not what everyone in our gov't is saying, including the
Bush Admin itself. Bush severely miscalculated the aftermath
of the war.


War is unpredictable, anyone with even half a brain knows this, that
you expected this war to be without surprises shows what a boob you
are.


People with half a brain don't go into unpredictable situations.
Unfortunately Bush only has a quarter of a brain.


ROFLMAO!!! If this were the case, nothing would get done in the world.


The fact is that you cannot accept the fact that President Bush

almost

single handedly freed 2 nations and gave them the chance to have a
democratci government and self determination.


The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there.
It's like the doctor getting you hooked on drugs so you must
continue to get his treatment and pay his fees.


So once again you place no faith in the Iraqi or Afghani people and
put forth the idea that you are superior to them.


Actually it was your idea. Where do you get that ***** ?


You are the one saying that the Iraqi's cannot have a democracy unless
US forces are there, therefore YOU are saying that they are incapable
to run a democracy on their own, therefore you must think that they
are inferior.

I didn't say those things. Where are you getting this *****,
tony-baloney ?

Here's what you said, dipshit:
"The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there."
Therefore you think that thre Iraqi people are incapble of running a
democracy on their own.
Your thought, not mine, pinhead.

Try reading history some time. When we install governments in
other countries they usually get overthrown (Shaw of Iran was
a good example). The people speak... they don't want US puppet
goverments.

Take you own advice, we are not installing anything, the Iraqi people
VOTED for the representatives that THEY WANT.

Good. Let's see if it happens. Bush has just created a second
Iran in the region... a shiite theocracy...

LOL!!! That's what you hope, Kurds will have over 1/4 represantation,
the Sunni's even though they didn't part take of the elction are
guaranteed another 20% or so.

and they'll beworking on nuclear technology some time soon. Is that what you
wanted ?

Nope, but if they make CHOICE, then they will have to deal with the
consenqences.

And why are US troops there if the people are directing things
for themselves ? Could it be Bush doesn't want to relinquish
control ?

Sheesh. US troops are there for same reason they were in Germany and
Japan after WWII.

Get it now,clown?

It makes you angry this will turn into a very expensive failure,
and Bush presided over the whole thing.

I know that you are rooting for this all to fail, it shows what you
are truely all about. So why are you so against thr Iraqi people
having a democracy?

As usual, things are a little more complicated than you make
them out to be. Us versus Them, right ? 'With US or Against Us' ?
Terrorists in Iraq ? What a hooey you are.
Hooey-balooey, tony-baloney.

Nice answer, stooge.
So why do you want things to go wrong in Iraq?
Tony
.
User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 13 Feb 2005 06:14:14 PM
Vomited Violently, then screeched the words:

Here's what you said, dipshit:

"The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there."

Damn, you are sharp. Another stunning probe into the depths
of the obvious. You repeated exactly what I said. If a democracy
requires our troops to prop it up, it's not really a democracy.

and they'll beworking on nuclear technology some time soon. Is that what
you wanted ?


Nope, but if they make CHOICE, then they will have to deal with the
consenqences.

So now you're prepared to attack a democracy that pursues nuclear
technology. Why don't we just invade France ?

So why do you want things to go wrong in Iraq?

Don't necessarily want, but 'more of the same' is the order
of the day where GWB is concerned. More lies. More pathetic
management.


Tony

.
User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 14 Feb 2005 08:10:14 AM

itwill@happen.com Vomited Violently, then screeched the words:

Here's what you said, dipshit:

"The 'democracies' exist as long as US troops stay there."

Damn, you are sharp. Another stunning probe into the depths
of the obvious. You repeated exactly what I said. If a democracy
requires our troops to prop it up, it's not really a democracy.

So Japan and germany are not democracies?

and they'll beworking on nuclear technology some time soon. Is that what
you wanted ?

Nope, but if they make CHOICE, then they will have to deal with the
consenqences.

So now you're prepared to attack a democracy that pursues nuclear
technology. Why don't we just invade France ?

And which democracy would that be, clown?

So why do you want things to go wrong in Iraq?

Don't necessarily want,

Oh, not neccessarily, but you wouldn't care if they did.
I see.
Tony
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User: "Nonsequiturlexa"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 07 Feb 2005 08:23:03 PM
I can relate to that. I blew both knees
out when I peaked at 333 pounds 2 years
ago.
Patron Saint of the Internet
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User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Wally_Lorne=99?="

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 07 Feb 2005 08:27:34 PM
333 pounds ?!?!??!?!?!?!??
FRICK, little buddy, U'll either have a stroke or a major coronary
thrombosis !!!!
Do U have high cholesterol & high blood pressure ?!?!?!?
Take care, little buddy, I am very worried about U !!!
Hooroo / Toodles ;-)
Uncle Wally ;-)
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User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Salem_the_frickin_house_cat=99?="

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 05 Feb 2005 09:54:09 PM
What the.............?!?!?
What about when the sh!t hits the fan in Iran ?!?!?
What happens then ?!?!?
Hang on, don't tell me........
We're all TOTALLY FRICKED, right ?!?!??!
Hooroo / Toodles
Uncle Wally
================================
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User: "R. Foreman"

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 05 Feb 2005 11:23:39 PM
"Salem the frickin' house cat™" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the
Words

What the.............?!?!?

What about when the sh!t hits the fan in Iran ?!?!?

What happens then ?!?!?

Hang on, don't tell me........

We're all TOTALLY FRICKED, right ?!?!??!

You seem to have a death wish, my friend.
Bush won't invade Iran. He can't. Not enough troops, and
no significant countries are dealing with Bush (despite
Condi Lice's assertion the Euros are ready to mend fences).
Bush might bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran, but that's
hardly the end of the world. I'll admit, it will add fuel to
an already bright flame. We just need to get rid of Bush and
things will improve.


Hooroo / Toodles

Uncle Wally

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User: ""

Title: Re: WALKING WOUNDED 06 Feb 2005 08:37:21 AM

"Salem the frickin' house cat™" <yessireeyesindeedydo@yahoo.ca> Spat the
Words

What the.............?!?!?

What about when the sh!t hits the fan in Iran ?!?!?

What happens then ?!?!?

Hang on, don't tell me........

We're all TOTALLY FRICKED, right ?!?!??!

You seem to have a death wish, my friend.
Bush won't invade Iran. He can't. Not enough troops,

LOL!!! When the Iranian people rise up against the Mullahs,
we will be there to back them up.

and
no significant countries are dealing with Bush

Uh, the UK is not significant? You liberals seem to think the
only "significant" western democracies are France and Germany.

(despite
Condi Lice's assertion the Euros are ready to mend fences).
Bush might bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran, but that's
hardly the end of the world. I'll admit, it will add fuel to
an already bright flame. We just need to get rid of Bush and
things will improve.

Things are much improved in Afghanistan, you know they do
have a democracy there now, right? Much better than the Taliban and Al
Qeada, wouldn't you agree?
Oh, and Iraq just held free elections, much better than Saddam and his
sons raping and killing whomever they please? No?
Tony
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