"Facing Reality In Iraq". Someone should have explained to our drunken frat
boy president how you do this back in 2002.
War-torn Iraq 'facing collapse'
Rival factions are struggling for local supremacy in Iraq
Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation, UK
foreign policy think tank Chatham House says.
Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and irrelevant
in many parts of the country.
It warns there is not one war but many local civil wars, and urges a major
change in US and British strategy, such as consulting Iraq's neighbours
more.
The report comes as Iran said Iranian and US diplomats would hold talks on
28 May on the security situation in Iraq.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the talks - the third such
meeting - would be restricted to the subject of Iraq.
"Negotiation is limited to Iraq, in Iraq, and will start in the presence of
Iraqi officials," he told reporters during a visit to Pakistan.
'Harsh realities'
The UK Foreign Office, responding to the Chatham House report, stated that
security conditions, although "grim" in places, varied across Iraq.
CHATHAM HOUSE
-Established in 1920
-Formerly known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Takes its
name from building in which it is housed
-Regarded as one of world's leading think tanks on international affairs
"Most insurgent attacks remain concentrated in just four of Iraq's 18
provinces, containing less than 42% of the population," a Foreign Office
spokesman told the Press Association news agency.
"Iraq has come a long way in a short time," he added, saying the
international community "must stand alongside the Iraqi government".
The Chatham House report, written by Gareth Stansfield, a Middle East
expert, is unremittingly bleak, says BBC diplomatic correspondent James
Robbins.
There is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies
involving a number of communities and organisations struggling for power
Mr Stansfield argues that the break-up of Iraq is becoming increasingly
likely. In large parts of the country, the Iraqi government is powerless,
he says, as rival factions struggle for local supremacy.
The briefing paper, entitled Accepting Realities in Iraq, says: "There is
not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies involving a
number of communities and organisations struggling for power."
Mr Stansfield says that although al-Qaeda is challenged in some areas by
local leaders who do not welcome such intervention, there is a clear
momentum behind its activity.
Iraq's neighbours also have a greater capacity to affect the situation on
the ground than either the UK or the US, the report adds.
On Thursday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said that
US-Iranian discussions at ambassador level would take place in Iraq on 28
May.
American and Iranian officials have held talks at ambassador level in the
past. There were discussions in Baghdad in March and brief exchanges at a
summit in Egypt earlier this month.
Given the climate of suspicion and hostility which has existed between Iran
and the US, it is doubtful that the talks stand any chance of yielding quick
or substantial results, our correspondent says.
Washington accuses Iran of arming Shia militants in Iraq. Tehran says
American and other coalition forces should be withdrawn from Iraq.
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Hey John! I've read all your posts and will now try to catch up with as
many things as I can.
One more ***** up in an ever growing list for these goons.
Gonzales, after Dep. AG McNulty quits, pins everything on him -- WTF? I
thought this idiot (Alberto) could barely remember his way to work let
alone who was responsible for anything concerning the firing of the
USA's. Classless facking ***** ... which is par for the course with
BushCo.
Former acting AG Comey's tale of pressuring, in his hospital bed, the
ailing former AG Ashcroft to sign off on the renewal, of what the
Justice Dept determined to be illegal, evesdropping program.
Bush finally found someone to run the war (new War Czar) -- does that
mean no one was running it up until now?
GOP debates -- a race to see who's the most anti-evolution and pro-torture.
The White House has managed to recover ONE e-mail from Karl Rove. Line
up the IT Dept against the wall ... why is the media not all over this??
The White House is obstructing justice.
Iraq -- just read 'Imperial Life In The Emerald City' and prior to that
'Fiasco', 'With Every Mistake ...' and 'State Of Denial' ... haven't
picked up Tenet's book yet. In fact, just had a book on Java programming
come into our local bookstore for me so I may have to lay off the
depressingly criminal activity with regards to Iraq.
Here's to hoping the Dem's can crash the barricades surrounding the
White House. And also here's to hoping the Legislative and Judicial
branches of your Gov't can bring this Executive to justice.
It's incredible the ***** that's happened in the past 6 years. But then
again, there's always the Bay of Tonkin. How many killed in Vietnam?
Good luck, my friend!
Cheers!
-- Marvin
John Lemke wrote:
"Facing Reality In Iraq". Someone should have explained to our drunken frat
boy president how you do this back in 2002.
War-torn Iraq 'facing collapse'
Rival factions are struggling for local supremacy in Iraq
Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation, UK
foreign policy think tank Chatham House says.
Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and irrelevant
in many parts of the country.
It warns there is not one war but many local civil wars, and urges a major
change in US and British strategy, such as consulting Iraq's neighbours
more.
The report comes as Iran said Iranian and US diplomats would hold talks on
28 May on the security situation in Iraq.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the talks - the third such
meeting - would be restricted to the subject of Iraq.
"Negotiation is limited to Iraq, in Iraq, and will start in the presence of
Iraqi officials," he told reporters during a visit to Pakistan.
'Harsh realities'
The UK Foreign Office, responding to the Chatham House report, stated that
security conditions, although "grim" in places, varied across Iraq.
CHATHAM HOUSE
-Established in 1920
-Formerly known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Takes its
name from building in which it is housed
-Regarded as one of world's leading think tanks on international affairs
"Most insurgent attacks remain concentrated in just four of Iraq's 18
provinces, containing less than 42% of the population," a Foreign Office
spokesman told the Press Association news agency.
"Iraq has come a long way in a short time," he added, saying the
international community "must stand alongside the Iraqi government".
The Chatham House report, written by Gareth Stansfield, a Middle East
expert, is unremittingly bleak, says BBC diplomatic correspondent James
Robbins.
There is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies
involving a number of communities and organisations struggling for power
Mr Stansfield argues that the break-up of Iraq is becoming increasingly
likely. In large parts of the country, the Iraqi government is powerless,
he says, as rival factions struggle for local supremacy.
The briefing paper, entitled Accepting Realities in Iraq, says: "There is
not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies involving a
number of communities and organisations struggling for power."
Mr Stansfield says that although al-Qaeda is challenged in some areas by
local leaders who do not welcome such intervention, there is a clear
momentum behind its activity.
Iraq's neighbours also have a greater capacity to affect the situation on
the ground than either the UK or the US, the report adds.
On Thursday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said that
US-Iranian discussions at ambassador level would take place in Iraq on 28
May.
American and Iranian officials have held talks at ambassador level in the
past. There were discussions in Baghdad in March and brief exchanges at a
summit in Egypt earlier this month.
Given the climate of suspicion and hostility which has existed between Iran
and the US, it is doubtful that the talks stand any chance of yielding quick
or substantial results, our correspondent says.
Washington accuses Iran of arming Shia militants in Iraq. Tehran says
American and other coalition forces should be withdrawn from Iraq.
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19 May 2007 08:31:50 AM |
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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:464cd6ef$0$15284$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
Hey John! I've read all your posts and will now try to catch up with as
many things as I can.
One more ***** up in an ever growing list for these goons.
I hope there's enough time left in Bush's Administration to get it all out
in the open.
Gonzales, after Dep. AG McNulty quits, pins everything on him -- WTF? I
thought this idiot (Alberto) could barely remember his way to work let
alone who was responsible for anything concerning the firing of the USA's.
Classless facking ***** ... which is par for the course with BushCo.
And the fish rots from the head down. Any organization, in time, directly
reflects the personalitly of it's leader.
The American people have the right to assume that their leadership will
perform honestly and honorably. Man, have we ever been lead down the pea
patch.
Former acting AG Comey's tale of pressuring, in his hospital bed, the
ailing former AG Ashcroft to sign off on the renewal, of what the Justice
Dept determined to be illegal, evesdropping program.
Gonzalez and Card clearly in Ashcroft's room at the behest of the president
to force thru something determined to be illegal.
The executive branch is inhabited by maggots. Lapdog mentality valued above
competence at every level. Powell wouldn't deal with Gonzalez personally
due to a lack of respect. When Powell needed to communicate with the
president's counsellor he delegated someone else to do it.
Bush finally found someone to run the war (new War Czar) -- does that mean
no one was running it up until now?
Nobody competent.
GOP debates -- a race to see who's the most anti-evolution and
pro-torture.
They don't stand a chance. The game is the Democrat's to lose.
The White House has managed to recover ONE e-mail from Karl Rove. Line up
the IT Dept against the wall ... why is the media not all over this?? The
White House is obstructing justice.
I think the press is still part of the problem. One of the ways you co-opt
an opponent is to bring him into the fold. Make him one of "us". Saw David
Gregory, NBC's chief White House correspondent, on the "Today" show gushing
at how close he and his wife got to sit to the President and other fat cats
at a recent White House function. Wonder how someone obviously enraptured
by the situation can be any kind of a watchdog. Mr. Gregory was also seen
in very close proximity to the President at the press conference the night
before the war was launched. The scripted affair was highlighted in Moyers'
recent documentary, "Buying the War".
Make your opponents part of the establishment, get 'em starstruck and get
them to lick your boots. Disgusting.
Iraq -- just read 'Imperial Life In The Emerald City' and prior to that
'Fiasco', 'With Every Mistake ...' and 'State Of Denial' ... haven't
picked up Tenet's book yet. In fact, just had a book on Java programming
come into our local bookstore for me so I may have to lay off the
depressingly criminal activity with regards to Iraq.
It'll all get laid out in stages by the Democrats between now and the
election. Hopefully they can do this competently and artfully. A little
sledgehammer would be fun also.
Here's to hoping the Dem's can crash the barricades surrounding the White
House. And also here's to hoping the Legislative and Judicial branches of
your Gov't can bring this Executive to justice.
I think justice is going to take a backseat to politics at least as far as
Bush is concerned. The 2008 election is the most important thing to them.
But I wouldn't be surprised to see the lesser monkeys gradually thrown to
the wolves. Keep the direct heat off Bush. However if it gets bad enough
he might resign if people start clamoring in the street..
It's incredible the ***** that's happened in the past 6 years. But then
again, there's always the Bay of Tonkin. How many killed in Vietnam?
3.5 million.
Good luck, my friend!
Thanks, Marv. Holding our breath here for the next 20 months hoping that no
surprises come along to bring the boot down on our necks. Praying that we
wake up on January 20, 2009 with our constitution and our freedoms intact
and lessons about our power elite learned.
Good luck to all of us.
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17 May 2007 09:50:52 PM |
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Should add --
Wolfowitz GONE from the World Bank.
Senate Dem's looking at non-confidence vote on Gonzo.
Good!
Cheers!
-- Marvin
Marvin The Paranoid Android wrote:
Hey John! I've read all your posts and will now try to catch up with as
many things as I can.
One more ***** up in an ever growing list for these goons.
Gonzales, after Dep. AG McNulty quits, pins everything on him -- WTF? I
thought this idiot (Alberto) could barely remember his way to work let
alone who was responsible for anything concerning the firing of the
USA's. Classless facking ***** ... which is par for the course with
BushCo.
Former acting AG Comey's tale of pressuring, in his hospital bed, the
ailing former AG Ashcroft to sign off on the renewal, of what the
Justice Dept determined to be illegal, evesdropping program.
Bush finally found someone to run the war (new War Czar) -- does that
mean no one was running it up until now?
GOP debates -- a race to see who's the most anti-evolution and pro-torture.
The White House has managed to recover ONE e-mail from Karl Rove. Line
up the IT Dept against the wall ... why is the media not all over this??
The White House is obstructing justice.
Iraq -- just read 'Imperial Life In The Emerald City' and prior to that
'Fiasco', 'With Every Mistake ...' and 'State Of Denial' ... haven't
picked up Tenet's book yet. In fact, just had a book on Java programming
come into our local bookstore for me so I may have to lay off the
depressingly criminal activity with regards to Iraq.
Here's to hoping the Dem's can crash the barricades surrounding the
White House. And also here's to hoping the Legislative and Judicial
branches of your Gov't can bring this Executive to justice.
It's incredible the ***** that's happened in the past 6 years. But then
again, there's always the Bay of Tonkin. How many killed in Vietnam?
Good luck, my friend!
Cheers!
-- Marvin
John Lemke wrote:
"Facing Reality In Iraq". Someone should have explained to our
drunken frat boy president how you do this back in 2002.
War-torn Iraq 'facing collapse'
Rival factions are struggling for local supremacy in Iraq
Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation, UK
foreign policy think tank Chatham House says.
Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and
irrelevant in many parts of the country.
It warns there is not one war but many local civil wars, and urges a
major change in US and British strategy, such as consulting Iraq's
neighbours more.
The report comes as Iran said Iranian and US diplomats would hold
talks on 28 May on the security situation in Iraq.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the talks - the third
such meeting - would be restricted to the subject of Iraq.
"Negotiation is limited to Iraq, in Iraq, and will start in the
presence of Iraqi officials," he told reporters during a visit to
Pakistan.
'Harsh realities'
The UK Foreign Office, responding to the Chatham House report, stated
that security conditions, although "grim" in places, varied across Iraq.
CHATHAM HOUSE
-Established in 1920
-Formerly known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Takes
its name from building in which it is housed
-Regarded as one of world's leading think tanks on international affairs
"Most insurgent attacks remain concentrated in just four of Iraq's 18
provinces, containing less than 42% of the population," a Foreign
Office spokesman told the Press Association news agency.
"Iraq has come a long way in a short time," he added, saying the
international community "must stand alongside the Iraqi government".
The Chatham House report, written by Gareth Stansfield, a Middle East
expert, is unremittingly bleak, says BBC diplomatic correspondent
James Robbins.
There is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and
insurgencies involving a number of communities and organisations
struggling for power
Mr Stansfield argues that the break-up of Iraq is becoming
increasingly likely. In large parts of the country, the Iraqi
government is powerless, he says, as rival factions struggle for local
supremacy.
The briefing paper, entitled Accepting Realities in Iraq, says: "There
is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies
involving a number of communities and organisations struggling for
power."
Mr Stansfield says that although al-Qaeda is challenged in some areas
by local leaders who do not welcome such intervention, there is a
clear momentum behind its activity.
Iraq's neighbours also have a greater capacity to affect the situation
on the ground than either the UK or the US, the report adds.
On Thursday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said that
US-Iranian discussions at ambassador level would take place in Iraq on
28 May.
American and Iranian officials have held talks at ambassador level in
the past. There were discussions in Baghdad in March and brief
exchanges at a summit in Egypt earlier this month.
Given the climate of suspicion and hostility which has existed between
Iran and the US, it is doubtful that the talks stand any chance of
yielding quick or substantial results, our correspondent says.
Washington accuses Iran of arming Shia militants in Iraq. Tehran says
American and other coalition forces should be withdrawn from Iraq.
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19 May 2007 08:48:04 AM |
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"Marvin The Paranoid Android" <marvinparanoidandroid@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:464d14a4$0$15287$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
Should add --
Wolfowitz GONE from the World Bank.
Senate Dem's looking at non-confidence vote on Gonzo.
Good!
If they do it right then by the election they'll have Bush as hated as Nixon
was.
Watergate went in stages. Investigations, disclosures, confessions, bombs
dropped. We'll have the same thing here.
Watergate was a beautiful thing in regards to seeing how a democracy can
work. In seeing how crooks are rendered naked and then ostracized.
Once we got a clue as to what was really going on with Bush one could see
what was going to come. A play full of drama and pathos and enlightenment.
And there's nothing like reality to render the slimy apologist mute. Pure
poetry.
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17 May 2007 09:58:21 PM |
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One more ***** up in an ever growing list for these goons.
Gonzales, after Dep. AG McNulty quits, pins everything on him -- WTF? I
thought this idiot (Alberto) could barely remember his way to work let
alone who was responsible for anything concerning the firing of the
USA's. Classless facking ***** ... which is par for the course with
BushCo.
"Facing Reality In Iraq". Someone should have explained to our
drunken frat boy president how you do this back in 2002.
War-torn Iraq 'facing collapse'
Rival factions are struggling for local supremacy in Iraq
Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation, UK
foreign policy think tank Chatham House says.
Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and
irrelevant in many parts of the country.
It warns there is not one war but many local civil wars, and urges a
major change in US and British strategy, such as consulting Iraq's
neighbours more.
The report comes as Iran said Iranian and US diplomats would hold
talks on 28 May on the security situation in Iraq.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the talks - the third
such meeting - would be restricted to the subject of Iraq.
"Negotiation is limited to Iraq, in Iraq, and will start in the
presence of Iraqi officials," he told reporters during a visit to
Pakistan.
'Harsh realities'
The UK Foreign Office, responding to the Chatham House report, stated
that security conditions, although "grim" in places, varied across
Iraq.
CHATHAM HOUSE
-Established in 1920
-Formerly known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Takes
its name from building in which it is housed
-Regarded as one of world's leading think tanks on international
affairs
"Most insurgent attacks remain concentrated in just four of Iraq's 18
provinces, containing less than 42% of the population," a Foreign
Office spokesman told the Press Association news agency.
"Iraq has come a long way in a short time," he added, saying the
international community "must stand alongside the Iraqi government".
The Chatham House report, written by Gareth Stansfield, a Middle East
expert, is unremittingly bleak, says BBC diplomatic correspondent
James Robbins.
There is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and
insurgencies involving a number of communities and organisations
struggling for power
Mr Stansfield argues that the break-up of Iraq is becoming
increasingly likely. In large parts of the country, the Iraqi
government is powerless, he says, as rival factions struggle for local
supremacy.
The briefing paper, entitled Accepting Realities in Iraq, says: "There
is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies
involving a number of communities and organisations struggling for
power."
Mr Stansfield says that although al-Qaeda is challenged in some areas
by local leaders who do not welcome such intervention, there is a
clear momentum behind its activity.
Iraq's neighbours also have a greater capacity to affect the situation
on the ground than either the UK or the US, the report adds.
On Thursday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said that
US-Iranian discussions at ambassador level would take place in Iraq on
28 May.
American and Iranian officials have held talks at ambassador level in
the past. There were discussions in Baghdad in March and brief
exchanges at a summit in Egypt earlier this month.
Given the climate of suspicion and hostility which has existed between
Iran and the US, it is doubtful that the talks stand any chance of
yielding quick or substantial results, our correspondent says.
Washington accuses Iran of arming Shia militants in Iraq. Tehran says
American and other coalition forces should be withdrawn from Iraq.
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On May 17, 7:50 pm, Marvin The Paranoid Android
<marvinparanoidandr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Should add --
Wolfowitz GONE from the World Bank.
Senate Dem's looking at non-confidence vote on Gonzo.
Good!
[quoting] According to the May 10-13, 2007, Gallup Poll, 29% of
Americans approve and 64% disapprove of the way Congress is handling
its job. Congressional approval is down 4 percentage points since last
month, and is 3 points lower than the 32% average measured during the
first five months of the year. The high point for the congressional
approval rating so far this year was the 37% approval measured in
February. [end quote]
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27589
Cheers!
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This article is from the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6663935.stm
"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in message
news:464c3404@nocnews001.allthesites.org...
"Facing Reality In Iraq". Someone should have explained to our drunken
frat boy president how you do this back in 2002.
War-torn Iraq 'facing collapse'
Rival factions are struggling for local supremacy in Iraq
Iraq faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation, UK
foreign policy think tank Chatham House says.
Its report says the Iraqi government is now largely powerless and
irrelevant in many parts of the country.
It warns there is not one war but many local civil wars, and urges a major
change in US and British strategy, such as consulting Iraq's neighbours
more.
The report comes as Iran said Iranian and US diplomats would hold talks on
28 May on the security situation in Iraq.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said the talks - the third
such meeting - would be restricted to the subject of Iraq.
"Negotiation is limited to Iraq, in Iraq, and will start in the presence
of Iraqi officials," he told reporters during a visit to Pakistan.
'Harsh realities'
The UK Foreign Office, responding to the Chatham House report, stated that
security conditions, although "grim" in places, varied across Iraq.
CHATHAM HOUSE
-Established in 1920
-Formerly known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Takes its
name from building in which it is housed
-Regarded as one of world's leading think tanks on international affairs
"Most insurgent attacks remain concentrated in just four of Iraq's 18
provinces, containing less than 42% of the population," a Foreign Office
spokesman told the Press Association news agency.
"Iraq has come a long way in a short time," he added, saying the
international community "must stand alongside the Iraqi government".
The Chatham House report, written by Gareth Stansfield, a Middle East
expert, is unremittingly bleak, says BBC diplomatic correspondent James
Robbins.
There is not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies
involving a number of communities and organisations struggling for power
Mr Stansfield argues that the break-up of Iraq is becoming increasingly
likely. In large parts of the country, the Iraqi government is powerless,
he says, as rival factions struggle for local supremacy.
The briefing paper, entitled Accepting Realities in Iraq, says: "There is
not 'a' civil war in Iraq, but many civil wars and insurgencies involving
a number of communities and organisations struggling for power."
Mr Stansfield says that although al-Qaeda is challenged in some areas by
local leaders who do not welcome such intervention, there is a clear
momentum behind its activity.
Iraq's neighbours also have a greater capacity to affect the situation on
the ground than either the UK or the US, the report adds.
On Thursday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said that
US-Iranian discussions at ambassador level would take place in Iraq on 28
May.
American and Iranian officials have held talks at ambassador level in the
past. There were discussions in Baghdad in March and brief exchanges at a
summit in Egypt earlier this month.
Given the climate of suspicion and hostility which has existed between
Iran and the US, it is doubtful that the talks stand any chance of
yielding quick or substantial results, our correspondent says.
Washington accuses Iran of arming Shia militants in Iraq. Tehran says
American and other coalition forces should be withdrawn from Iraq.
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