Woodswun wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:27:36 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:

bye wrote:

Commandment Ten

You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field......or
anything that is your neighbor's

You know, it was the original homeland of the Jews until two thousand
years ago, when many Jews were slaughtered and the rest run out of
there by the Roman Empire. In recorded history, the ONLY other
sovereign nation that has EVER existed on that land was a former
incarnation of Israel (before the Roman Empire destroyed it). The
British took control of the Palestine Mandate after World War I and
promised the Jews a homeland of their own, so that the Jews might
finally find a place where they could live without fear of massacre
and persecution. But the Palestinian Arabs won't tolerate having Jews
for neighbors, so they started conducting terrorist attacks on the
Jews in the 1920s. They continued into the 1930s. And the 1940s. And
the terrorism continues to this very day, apparently with your
support.

You are historically incorrect. The area given to the Israelites has
not been under the control of Jews since the Babylonian exile.

Did I say it was under control of the Jews?

While Jews have inhabited the area, and were even permitted to
have a temple there, they have not controlled it.

Yes, I know. I did not say they controlled it.

So, we're talking a lot more than 2,000
years. Since being part of the Babylonian Empire, it has been part of
the Roman Empire and Ottoman Empire - all in recorded history.

Yes, I know. But the Jews were run out of their homeland almost 2000
years ago. And it was their homeland before it was destroyed by the
Roman Empire.

Woodswun wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:27:36 -0700, Steven Douglas wrote:

bye wrote:

Commandment Ten

You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field......or anything that
is your neighbor's

You know, it was the original homeland of the Jews until two thousand
years ago, when many Jews were slaughtered and the rest run out of
there by the Roman Empire. In recorded history, the ONLY other
sovereign nation that has EVER existed on that land was a former
incarnation of Israel (before the Roman Empire destroyed it). The
British took control of the Palestine Mandate after World War I and
promised the Jews a homeland of their own, so that the Jews might
finally find a place where they could live without fear of massacre and
persecution. But the Palestinian Arabs won't tolerate having Jews for
neighbors, so they started conducting terrorist attacks on the Jews in
the 1920s. They continued into the 1930s. And the 1940s. And the
terrorism continues to this very day, apparently with your support.

You are historically incorrect. The area given to the Israelites has not
been under the control of Jews since the Babylonian exile.

Did I say it was under control of the Jews?

While Jews have inhabited the area, and were even permitted to have a
temple there, they have not controlled it.

Yes, I know. I did not say they controlled it.

So, we're talking a lot more than 2,000 years. Since being part of the
Babylonian Empire, it has been part of the Roman Empire and Ottoman
Empire - all in recorded history.

Yes, I know. But the Jews were run out of their homeland almost 2000
years ago. And it was their homeland before it was destroyed by the
Roman Empire.

And finally, let's acknowledge that the UN
Partition Plan that brought Israel into existence also gave the
Palestinian Arabs their state -- Transjordan (now Jordan).

WH wrote:

Steven Douglas skrev:

bye wrote:

Commandment Ten

You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field......or
anything that
is your neighbor's

You know, it was the original homeland of the Jews until two thousand
years ago, when many Jews were slaughtered and the rest run out of
there by the Roman Empire. In recorded history, the ONLY other
sovereign nation that has EVER existed on that land was a former
incarnation of Israel (before the Roman Empire destroyed it). The
British took control of the Palestine Mandate after World War I and
promised the Jews a homeland of their own, so that the Jews might
finally find a place where they could live without fear of massacre and
persecution. But the Palestinian Arabs won't tolerate having Jews for
neighbors, so they started conducting terrorist attacks on the Jews in
the 1920s. They continued into the 1930s. And the 1940s. And the
terrorism continues to this very day, apparently with your support.

Rubbish! It amazes me that you history revisionists can actually
believe the crap you write. Arabs, Jews, Christians and whatever else
you like have always lived side by side in that area. The Jews might
well have originated in the area but it was never "their" homeland any
more than it was the "homeland" of all the other people who lived
there. It was NEVER Israel nor was it an "incarnation" of Israel. It
was everybody's homeland, including the Jews who were there. There's a
hell of a difference between what you're trying to say and the actual
truth!

The land that is now Israel (just prior to the takeover by the Roman
Empire) was a sovereign nation. There were no Christians or Muslims
then. The land that is now Israel was the sovereign Jewish homeland
until that nation was destroyed by the Roman Empire, and the people of
that nation who weren't killed were chased off that land.

The British did not "promise" the Jews any such thing during the
british mandate in palestine. What they did do was promise to abstain
from the vote in the UN, the one that led to the recognition of the
state of Israel. They also promised the Arabs that they'de side with
them...

Please look at the Balfour Declaration.

As I said earlier, you are trying to change history by painting the
Palestinians black. The Palestinians as I also said always got on with
the Jews and vice-versa. But the Zionist movement appeared and
nationalism broke out. The Jews wanted to "own" the land where they had
all lived in peace for centuries.

The Palestinian Jews just wanted that one smaller portion of the
British Palestine Mandate. The Palestinian Arabs received their state
-- it was called Transjordan (now Jordan). Jordan controlled the West
Bank, and Egypt controlled Gaza. It would have been so easy for Jordan
and Egypt to give the Palestinians their own state, but they kept the
Palestinians in refugee status for almost 20 years before the 1967 war.

They bought off land from poor
farmers and in that way expanded until they owned approx. 7% (see that
7%) of the land. Then they decided that they wanted their own Jewish
state and that led to terrorism from Irgun and others against both the
Arabs and the British...the aim being to clear the Arabs, (and Brits),
out. In 1948 the UN had their meeting and their vote, the British
renaged on the Palestinians and the Jews got their state.

And, as I mentioned the Palestinians got their state -- it was called
Transjordan, actually larger than the land of Israel.

The land they
got, as I said before, they owned only 7% of but they still weren't
satisfied with that. They went on the rampage and took more killing
hundreds and sending hundreds of thousands fleeing to neighbouring
countries...mostly Jordan. Then they were attacked by their neighbours.

They were attacked by the neighbors immediately after the
implementation of the UN Partition Plan. And, as I've explained to you
before, there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from the
Arab lands -- and Israel took those Jewish refugees, while Jordan and
Egypt purposely kept the many Palestinian Arabs in refugee status. It
made for such a good propaganda ploy to keep those Palestinian Arabs in
refugee status instead of giving them their own state.

I'm stopping there. I don't expect a tunnel visioned ***** like you to
actually believe what I said, but for history's sake you and your type
have to be corrected lest some poor ***** actually believes your
warped version of history in the Mid-East!

Okay, professor. By the way, you're spinning like a top with your
distorted version of history. Let's start with the Balfour Declaration,
then let's acknowledge that a former sovereign Jewish state DID exist
on the land that is now Israel -- in fact, going back to before the
Babylonian exile, there was the original Jewish state that existed on
the land that is now Israel. And finally, let's acknowledge that the UN
Partition Plan that brought Israel into existence also gave the
Palestinian Arabs their state -- Transjordan (now Jordan). And the
current Palestinians lived in refugee status under the control of
Jordan and Egypt for nearly 20 years.

WH wrote:

Steven Douglas skrev:

bye wrote:

Commandment Ten

You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field......or anything that
is your neighbor's

You know, it was the original homeland of the Jews until two thousand
years ago, when many Jews were slaughtered and the rest run out of
there by the Roman Empire. In recorded history, the ONLY other
sovereign nation that has EVER existed on that land was a former
incarnation of Israel (before the Roman Empire destroyed it). The
British took control of the Palestine Mandate after World War I and
promised the Jews a homeland of their own, so that the Jews might
finally find a place where they could live without fear of massacre and
persecution. But the Palestinian Arabs won't tolerate having Jews for
neighbors, so they started conducting terrorist attacks on the Jews in
the 1920s. They continued into the 1930s. And the 1940s. And the
terrorism continues to this very day, apparently with your support.

Rubbish! It amazes me that you history revisionists can actually
believe the crap you write. Arabs, Jews, Christians and whatever else
you like have always lived side by side in that area. The Jews might
well have originated in the area but it was never "their" homeland any
more than it was the "homeland" of all the other people who lived
there. It was NEVER Israel nor was it an "incarnation" of Israel. It
was everybody's homeland, including the Jews who were there. There's a
hell of a difference between what you're trying to say and the actual
truth!

The land that is now Israel (just prior to the takeover by the Roman
Empire) was a sovereign nation. There were no Christians or Muslims
then. The land that is now Israel was the sovereign Jewish homeland
until that nation was destroyed by the Roman Empire, and the people of
that nation who weren't killed were chased off that land.

The British did not "promise" the Jews any such thing during the
british mandate in palestine. What they did do was promise to abstain
from the vote in the UN, the one that led to the recognition of the
state of Israel. They also promised the Arabs that they'de side with
them...

Please look at the Balfour Declaration.

As I said earlier, you are trying to change history by painting the
Palestinians black. The Palestinians as I also said always got on with
the Jews and vice-versa. But the Zionist movement appeared and
nationalism broke out. The Jews wanted to "own" the land where they had
all lived in peace for centuries.

The Palestinian Jews just wanted that one smaller portion of the
British Palestine Mandate. The Palestinian Arabs received their state
-- it was called Transjordan (now Jordan). Jordan controlled the West
Bank, and Egypt controlled Gaza. It would have been so easy for Jordan
and Egypt to give the Palestinians their own state, but they kept the
Palestinians in refugee status for almost 20 years before the 1967 war.

They bought off land from poor
farmers and in that way expanded until they owned approx. 7% (see that
7%) of the land. Then they decided that they wanted their own Jewish
state and that led to terrorism from Irgun and others against both the
Arabs and the British...the aim being to clear the Arabs, (and Brits),
out. In 1948 the UN had their meeting and their vote, the British
renaged on the Palestinians and the Jews got their state.

And, as I mentioned the Palestinians got their state -- it was called
Transjordan, actually larger than the land of Israel.

The land they
got, as I said before, they owned only 7% of but they still weren't
satisfied with that. They went on the rampage and took more killing
hundreds and sending hundreds of thousands fleeing to neighbouring
countries...mostly Jordan. Then they were attacked by their neighbours.

They were attacked by the neighbors immediately after the
implementation of the UN Partition Plan. And, as I've explained to you
before, there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from the
Arab lands -- and Israel took those Jewish refugees, while Jordan and
Egypt purposely kept the many Palestinian Arabs in refugee status. It
made for such a good propaganda ploy to keep those Palestinian Arabs in
refugee status instead of giving them their own state.

I'm stopping there. I don't expect a tunnel visioned ***** like you to
actually believe what I said, but for history's sake you and your type
have to be corrected lest some poor ***** actually believes your
warped version of history in the Mid-East!

Okay, professor. By the way, you're spinning like a top with your
distorted version of history. Let's start with the Balfour Declaration,
then let's acknowledge that a former sovereign Jewish state DID exist
on the land that is now Israel -- in fact, going back to before the
Babylonian exile, there was the original Jewish state that existed on
the land that is now Israel. And finally, let's acknowledge that the UN
Partition Plan that brought Israel into existence also gave the
Palestinian Arabs their state -- Transjordan (now Jordan). And the
current Palestinians lived in refugee status under the control of
Jordan and Egypt for nearly 20 years.