Was Hillary's Iraq ploy treason?
Officials say Clinton's 'badwill tour' plays into hands of enemies
Posted: December 11, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern
2003 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
Former Clinton White House adviser ***** Morris called it Hillary's "badwill
tour of Iraq." Certainly Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's grousing to the troops
brought no wild cheers, unlike the scene when President George W. Bush showed
up unannounced on Thanksgiving Day to serve turkey to servicemen and women on
combat duty in Baghdad. According to some reports, she is so unpopular among
the armed forces that her Pentagon minders had to assign soldiers to greet her.
The former first lady, touted by many Democrats as their best hope at wresting
the presidency from Bush in 2004, insisted that she had come to Baghdad to tell
the troops that "Americans are proud" of them. But, she added, back home "many
question the administration's policies." Then she launched into a personal
attack on the president for having been "obsessed with Saddam Hussein for more
than a decade." It was not exactly what you'd call a morale booster, and the
troops hated it.
Al-Jazeera, the Qatar government's own jihad TV network, broadcast her remarks
immediately in Arabic translation. To our enemies, the propaganda value of
having a member of the U.S. Senate, who sits on the Senate Armed Services
Committee, come to a war zone to criticize her president and express doubts
about the leadership of the U.S. military was crystal clear. Al-Jazeera also
gave prominent play to comments by her companion, fellow Democratic Sen. Jack
Reed of Rhode Island, who opined that the administration's justification for
the war was "tenuous at best" and that Americans "could look back and see the
decision to attack Iraq was one that ended up being very, very costly."
Former police captain Anwar Ibrahim is Iraq's deputy minister of interior.
Asked about earlier blasts against the president and the U.S.-led
reconstruction effort by Democratic presidential contenders back in the United
States, he told former New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik that the
Democrats would do better to keep their mouths shut.
"Our enemies all have satellite television and they are watching," Kerik
recalls Ibrahim saying. "When they hear this kind of thing, they think they are
winning." Such delusions cost American lives.
Kerik, who recruited Ibrahim to head up the effort to build a new Iraqi police
department to fight the Ba'ath Party remnants on the ground, sharply criticized
Congress for politicizing the postwar efforts. Every day Congress debated
whether to consider the $20 billion for Iraqi reconstruction a loan or a grant
spawned new U.S. casualties on the ground, he said, by delaying the training of
new Iraqi recruits.
"We lost at least eight weeks of training – that's 3,000 recruits," he told
an audience at the American Enterprise Institute.
Kerik recalled taking visiting NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw on a nighttime tour
of downtown Baghdad at a time when U.S. TV networks were portraying the Iraqi
capital as a nightmare of looting and lawlessness and where U.S. troops were
sitting targets. Instead, Kerik says, they drove down street after street lined
with refrigerators, air conditioners and other merchandise for sale with no
guards and no looters anywhere in sight.
"In the U.S., what we don't hear is the successes of our people in fighting the
Ba'athists," he said. "It is essential for the American people to know that we
are not losing the battle; we are winning it."
So were Sens. Clinton and Reed aiding and abetting the enemy in a replay of
actress Jane Fonda's infamous "Hanoi Jane" stunt at the peak of the Vietnam
War?
Not so fast, says lawyer and author Henry Mark Holzer, who has written a book
on Fonda's exploits during the Vietnam War and published a recent monograph,
"Why Not Call It Treason?"
What the former first lady did in Baghdad "may be comfort to the enemy, but
it's not treason," he tells Insight. There have been no treason prosecutions in
the United States since the World War II era trials of broadcasters Tokyo Rose
and Axis Sally.
"Nobody has been charged with treason since," Holzer points out, "not even
Aldrich Ames or John Walker Lindh," the U.S. Taliban recruit whom Holzer called
"a poster boy for treason."
Clinton's trip to Baghdad "was a bit like a U.S. senator going to Omaha Beach
just after D-Day and attacking President [Franklin D.] Roosevelt and the war
effort," Holzer says. "It was typically Clintonesque. It was overtly political,
it was disloyal and it was pathetic. But it was not treason." For stunts such
as hers, the only possible remedy is at the ballot box. "It's the price we pay
for the First Amendment," he says.
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12 Dec 2003 03:17:09 PM |
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In article <20031212060447.13822.00000662@mb-m10.aol.com>, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
Was Hillary's Iraq ploy treason?
Officials say Clinton's 'badwill tour' plays into hands of enemies
Posted: December 11, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern
2003 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
Former Clinton White House adviser ***** Morris called it Hillary's "badwill
tour of Iraq." Certainly Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's grousing to the troops
brought no wild cheers, unlike the scene when President George W. Bush showed
up unannounced on Thanksgiving Day to
Bush's visit was a hastily thrown-together affair that was only set up after
learning of Senator Clinton's plans to visit troops.
Woods
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13 Dec 2003 07:14:10 AM |
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woodswun@tepidmail.com >(Woodswun)
wrote:
Bush's visit was a hastily >thrown-together affair that was only set >up after
learning of Senator Clinton's >plans to visit troops.
Woods
You're a pathetic *****.
Hillary went to Iraq and tried to undermine the resolve and morale of our
troops.
Tony
"Sometimes we don't need History at all."
Dani
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| User: "WH" |
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13 Dec 2003 07:57:59 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20031213081410.26112.00000716@mb-m15.aol.com...
woodswun@tepidmail.com >(Woodswun)
wrote:
Bush's visit was a hastily >thrown-together affair that was only set >up
after
learning of Senator Clinton's >plans to visit troops.
Woods
You're a pathetic *****.
Hillary went to Iraq and tried to undermine the resolve and morale of our
troops.
Tony
Wow I actually heard the music when I read that!
WH
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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13 Dec 2003 10:02:31 AM |
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In article <20031213081410.26112.00000716@mb-m15.aol.com>, (TonyZ2001) wrote:
woodswun@tepidmail.com >(Woodswun)
wrote:
Bush's visit was a hastily >thrown-together affair that was only set >up after
learning of Senator Clinton's >plans to visit troops.
Woods
You're a pathetic *****.
Hillary went to Iraq and tried to undermine the resolve and morale of our
troops.
You see, that's the difference between you and me - I fully expect politicians
to act like politicians.
Woods
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| User: "Gerald" |
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12 Dec 2003 09:43:50 PM |
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In article <20031212060447.13822.00000662@mb-m10.aol.com>, TonyZ2001 says...
Was Hillary's Iraq ploy treason?
Officials say Clinton's 'badwill tour' plays into hands of enemies
Posted: December 11, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern
2003 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it wasn't
treason. Treason is like if you participate in the theft of a presidential
election. Hillary Clinton announced her trip a few days before and landed in
broad daylight. She had Thanksgiving with our troops, did not stage phony photo
ops, overnighted in Baghdad and left in full sun. Quite a contrast with little
man W.
Gerald
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12 Dec 2003 10:56:14 PM |
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"Gerald" <Gerald_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bre1tm07i7@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <20031212060447.13822.00000662@mb-m10.aol.com>, TonyZ2001
says...
Was Hillary's Iraq ploy treason?
Officials say Clinton's 'badwill tour' plays into hands of enemies
Posted: December 11, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern
2003 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it wasn't
treason. Treason is like if you participate in the theft of a
presidential
election. Hillary Clinton announced her trip a few days before and landed
in
broad daylight. She had Thanksgiving with our troops, did not stage phony
photo
ops, overnighted in Baghdad and left in full sun. Quite a contrast with
little
man W.
Gerald
A supporter of the *****.
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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13 Dec 2003 07:17:48 AM |
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"Fritzz"
wrote:
"Gerald" <Gerald_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bre1tm07i7@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <20031212060447.13822.00000662@mb-m10.aol.com>, TonyZ2001
says...
Was Hillary's Iraq ploy treason?
Officials say Clinton's 'badwill tour' plays into hands of enemies
Posted: December 11, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern
2003 Insight/News World Communications Inc.
Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it wasn't
treason. Treason is like if you participate in the theft of a
presidential
election. Hillary Clinton announced her trip a few days before and landed
in
broad daylight. She had Thanksgiving with our troops, did not stage phony
photo
ops, overnighted in Baghdad and left in full sun. Quite a contrast with
little
man W.
Gerald
A supporter of the *****.
Exactly, and the numbers are legion, brainwashed little drines who will try to
put the queen on her throne.
Tony
"Sometimes we don't need History at all."
Dani
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13 Dec 2003 02:31:36 PM |
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(TonyZ2001), wrote in alt.prophecies.nostradamus, lø,
13 des 2003 13:17:48 GMT:
"Fritzz"
wrote:
A supporter of the *****.
Exactly, and the numbers are legion, brainwashed little drines who
will try to put the queen on her throne.
Tony
And you have obviously been brainwashed by the neocons.
Do you have a mind of your own Tony or have you been turned into
a mind slave by them?
--
Henning
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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13 Dec 2003 07:15:49 AM |
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Gerald
wrote:
Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the >Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it wasn't
treason.
Another ***** who is unaware that Hillary sat with our troops and tried to
demoralize them.
No wonder this country is dying, it's populated by stupid morons with no sense
of loyalty, not even to it's armed forces.
Tony
"Sometimes we don't need History at all."
Dani
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| User: "WH" |
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13 Dec 2003 07:59:23 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20031213081549.26112.00000717@mb-m15.aol.com...
Gerald
wrote:
Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the >Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it
wasn't
treason.
Another ***** who is unaware that Hillary sat with our troops and tried
to
demoralize them.
No wonder this country is dying, it's populated by stupid morons with no
sense...
Tony
Finally I got through to you pantyboy :-)
Hurrah!
WH
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| User: "TonyZ2001" |
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13 Dec 2003 09:40:42 AM |
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"WH"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20031213081549.26112.00000717@mb-m15.aol.com...
Gerald
wrote:
Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the >Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it
wasn't
treason.
Another ***** who is unaware that Hillary sat with our troops and tried
to
demoralize them.
No wonder this country is dying, it's populated by stupid morons with no
sense...
Tony
Finally I got through to you
Nope, I've been saying this for years. Liberals are killing this country and
all it has ever stood for.
Tony
"Sometimes we don't need History at all."
Dani
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| User: "WH" |
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13 Dec 2003 09:59:21 AM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20031213104042.09506.00000744@mb-m17.aol.com...
"WH"
wrote:
"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:20031213081549.26112.00000717@mb-m15.aol.com...
Gerald
wrote:
Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the >Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it
wasn't
treason.
Another ***** who is unaware that Hillary sat with our troops and
tried
to
demoralize them.
No wonder this country is dying, it's populated by stupid morons with
no
sense...
Tony
Finally I got through to you
Nope, I've been saying this for years. Liberals are killing this country
and
all it has ever stood for.
Tony
Liberals facists who gives a *****, the important thing is that you've
finally understood!
WH
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| User: "Ex." |
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13 Dec 2003 04:25:42 PM |
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"TonyZ2001" <tonyz2001@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031213081549.26112.00000717@mb-m15.aol.com...
: >Gerald
: wrote:
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: >Ah yes, more insight from the rag of the >Rev. Mooney Toons. No, it
wasn't
: >treason.
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: Another ***** who is unaware that Hillary sat with our troops and tried
to
: demoralize them.
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: No wonder this country is dying, it's populated by stupid morons with no
sense
: of loyalty, not even to it's armed forces.
You have a really hard time picking apart things, don't ya?
Everyone hates Bush's guts 'cause he's lying fucking *****, just like you.
/ex
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| User: "Edward Duran" |
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14 Dec 2003 12:25:27 AM |
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another JANE FONDA???????
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