Or was he a fraud?
That Islam has run 180 degrees to both Christianity and Judaism,
and did so from its earliest conception, is this what the
so-called 'Prophet' intended, or is it merely what his so-called
followers have made of it?
What are your thoughts?
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28 Feb 2004 12:23:49 AM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:P_V%b.638871$ts4.51426@pd7tw3no...
Or was he a fraud?
That Islam has run 180 degrees to both Christianity and Judaism,
and did so from its earliest conception, is this what the
so-called 'Prophet' intended, or is it merely what his so-called
followers have made of it?
What are your thoughts?
Dan,
Let's think about this logically. If George W. Bush as the Christian leader
of the free world [read: Luciferian liberty] decides to make war against
Islam [read: strict observance of the 5 pillars of worship], starting with
the most fundamentalist of them all, the Talibans and then the Shiite
Muslims in Iraq and next in line Iran, is George W. Bush God's appointed
Messiah, ordained to destroy the religion founded by a self-proclaimed
prophet that sought to correct the errors of Christianity and to return to a
fundamental worshipping of the one God and the two religions have warred
against each other for 1,000 years and now George is going to finish the job
like the good commander-in-chief that he thinks he is; or is it rather the
other way around, that Christianity was a religion founded by man to serve
man and God sent his angel Gabriel to instruct his prophet Mohamned to cut
that religion off in the year 620 A.D.?
If you can figure out which is the bad guy, then the other guy must be the
good guy, no matter your prejudices.
cesar
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| User: " John F Lemke" |
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28 Feb 2004 04:51:16 AM |
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"cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote in message news:404033f5$1_2@127.0.0.1...
If you can figure out which is the bad guy, then the other guy must be the
good guy, no matter your prejudices.
cesar
Trying to figure out prophecy can be tough. It can be fun to kick around
ideas but taking something that has been left purposely vague and making it
date, place and person specific is risky. God has built in 'nonspecifics'
in these areas so that our faith and our actions can be applied and effect
not only our salvation but history as well.
Deception is a huge part of the end-time scenario. A christianity wheezing
leader may be just the ticket to lure a grossly carnal and materialistic
nation into bondage. A leader completely committed to increasing an elite's
control over wealth and power while selling out the poor and middle classes.
Trying to keep things simple here, Cesar. Would the Messiah spend 100
billion dollars to go to Mars or would he spend it to wipe out AIDs in
Africa, bring clean water to third world countries? Would the Messiah go to
war with Islam or would He love, nurture or even die for them as He's
already done for his own people, 2000 years ago?
Don't let your own 'scenarios', your visions of the end, lead you into
formatting your faith in any falsehood. Don't forget that Love is supposed
to lead. I think you've got a good heart.
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28 Feb 2004 06:49:13 AM |
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In article <404033f5$1_2@127.0.0.1>, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:P_V%b.638871$ts4.51426@pd7tw3no...
Or was he a fraud?
That Islam has run 180 degrees to both Christianity and Judaism,
and did so from its earliest conception, is this what the
so-called 'Prophet' intended, or is it merely what his so-called
followers have made of it?
What are your thoughts?
Dan,
Let's think about this logically. If George W. Bush as the Christian leader
of the free world [read: Luciferian liberty] decides to make war against
Islam [read: strict observance of the 5 pillars of worship], starting with
the most fundamentalist of them all, the Talibans and then the Shiite
Muslims in Iraq and next in line Iran, is George W. Bush God's appointed
Messiah, ordained to destroy the religion founded by a self-proclaimed
prophet that sought to correct the errors of Christianity and to return to a
fundamental worshipping of the one God and the two religions have warred
against each other for 1,000 years and now George is going to finish the job
like the good commander-in-chief that he thinks he is; or is it rather the
other way around, that Christianity was a religion founded by man to serve
man and God sent his angel Gabriel to instruct his prophet Mohamned to cut
that religion off in the year 620 A.D.?
If you can figure out which is the bad guy, then the other guy must be the
good guy, no matter your prejudices.
cesar
What "religion" was Muhammed when he started claiming to have visions?
("Religion" is in quotes because Muslims believe that the True Religion is
Islam, whichever is the True Religion for the time - Abraham was Islam, Moses
was Islam, Jesus was Islam, because all practiced the True Religion of their
times).
Woods
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28 Feb 2004 07:35:50 AM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:d700c.95855$%72.94705@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <404033f5$1_2@127.0.0.1>, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:P_V%b.638871$ts4.51426@pd7tw3no...
Or was he a fraud?
That Islam has run 180 degrees to both Christianity and Judaism,
and did so from its earliest conception, is this what the
so-called 'Prophet' intended, or is it merely what his so-called
followers have made of it?
What are your thoughts?
Dan,
Let's think about this logically. If George W. Bush as the Christian
leader
of the free world [read: Luciferian liberty] decides to make war against
Islam [read: strict observance of the 5 pillars of worship], starting
with
the most fundamentalist of them all, the Talibans and then the Shiite
Muslims in Iraq and next in line Iran, is George W. Bush God's appointed
Messiah, ordained to destroy the religion founded by a self-proclaimed
prophet that sought to correct the errors of Christianity and to return
to a
fundamental worshipping of the one God and the two religions have warred
against each other for 1,000 years and now George is going to finish the
job
like the good commander-in-chief that he thinks he is; or is it rather
the
other way around, that Christianity was a religion founded by man to
serve
man and God sent his angel Gabriel to instruct his prophet Mohamned to
cut
that religion off in the year 620 A.D.?
If you can figure out which is the bad guy, then the other guy must be
the
good guy, no matter your prejudices.
cesar
What "religion" was Muhammed when he started claiming to have visions?
("Religion" is in quotes because Muslims believe that the True Religion is
Islam, whichever is the True Religion for the time - Abraham was Islam,
Moses
was Islam, Jesus was Islam, because all practiced the True Religion of
their
times).
Woods
You got it Woods! Islam means, literally, "Surrender to God". What does
Israel mean? "He who fought with the angel of God" Therefore, what does
Judeo-Christian mean? "He who fought with Christ."
All the prophets of God practiced Islam before it even had a name. All the
righteous people on earth are practicing Islam because they have surrendered
their will to God. Muslims who believe in Mohammed's prophecy ritualised
the form of worship, as proof and practice of that worship in a temple. But
rituals don't mean anything unless one's heart and soul are in it. There
are many evil "Muslims" as there are evil "Christians". True Islam means
the utter and total surrender of one's own will (including one's own life)
to God.
cesar
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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28 Feb 2004 09:07:57 AM |
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In article <40409938_2@127.0.0.1>, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:d700c.95855$%72.94705@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <404033f5$1_2@127.0.0.1>, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:P_V%b.638871$ts4.51426@pd7tw3no...
Or was he a fraud?
That Islam has run 180 degrees to both Christianity and Judaism,
and did so from its earliest conception, is this what the
so-called 'Prophet' intended, or is it merely what his so-called
followers have made of it?
What are your thoughts?
Dan,
Let's think about this logically. If George W. Bush as the Christian
leader
of the free world [read: Luciferian liberty] decides to make war against
Islam [read: strict observance of the 5 pillars of worship], starting
with
the most fundamentalist of them all, the Talibans and then the Shiite
Muslims in Iraq and next in line Iran, is George W. Bush God's appointed
Messiah, ordained to destroy the religion founded by a self-proclaimed
prophet that sought to correct the errors of Christianity and to return
to a
fundamental worshipping of the one God and the two religions have warred
against each other for 1,000 years and now George is going to finish the
job
like the good commander-in-chief that he thinks he is; or is it rather
the
other way around, that Christianity was a religion founded by man to
serve
man and God sent his angel Gabriel to instruct his prophet Mohamned to
cut
that religion off in the year 620 A.D.?
If you can figure out which is the bad guy, then the other guy must be
the
good guy, no matter your prejudices.
cesar
What "religion" was Muhammed when he started claiming to have visions?
("Religion" is in quotes because Muslims believe that the True Religion is
Islam, whichever is the True Religion for the time - Abraham was Islam,
Moses
was Islam, Jesus was Islam, because all practiced the True Religion of
their
times).
Woods
You got it Woods! Islam means, literally, "Surrender to God". What does
Israel mean? "He who fought with the angel of God" Therefore, what does
Judeo-Christian mean? "He who fought with Christ."
All the prophets of God practiced Islam before it even had a name. All the
righteous people on earth are practicing Islam because they have surrendered
their will to God. Muslims who believe in Mohammed's prophecy ritualised
the form of worship, as proof and practice of that worship in a temple. But
rituals don't mean anything unless one's heart and soul are in it. There
are many evil "Muslims" as there are evil "Christians". True Islam means
the utter and total surrender of one's own will (including one's own life)
to God.
Well, I'd clarify and say that the *percentages* of evil Christians/Muslims are
the same, rather than the numbers. That said, since the evil Muslims tend to be
in cultures that go over-the-top in violence to get their point across, I'd take
an evil Christian over an evil Muslim any day - the former is only a threat to
himself whereas the latter is a risk to everyone.
Woods
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28 Feb 2004 12:27:50 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:h920c.51648$um1.49513@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <40409938_2@127.0.0.1>, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:d700c.95855$%72.94705@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <404033f5$1_2@127.0.0.1>, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:P_V%b.638871$ts4.51426@pd7tw3no...
Or was he a fraud?
That Islam has run 180 degrees to both Christianity and Judaism,
and did so from its earliest conception, is this what the
so-called 'Prophet' intended, or is it merely what his so-called
followers have made of it?
What are your thoughts?
Dan,
Let's think about this logically. If George W. Bush as the Christian
leader
of the free world [read: Luciferian liberty] decides to make war
against
Islam [read: strict observance of the 5 pillars of worship], starting
with
the most fundamentalist of them all, the Talibans and then the Shiite
Muslims in Iraq and next in line Iran, is George W. Bush God's
appointed
Messiah, ordained to destroy the religion founded by a self-proclaimed
prophet that sought to correct the errors of Christianity and to
return
to a
fundamental worshipping of the one God and the two religions have
warred
against each other for 1,000 years and now George is going to finish
the
job
like the good commander-in-chief that he thinks he is; or is it rather
the
other way around, that Christianity was a religion founded by man to
serve
man and God sent his angel Gabriel to instruct his prophet Mohamned to
cut
that religion off in the year 620 A.D.?
If you can figure out which is the bad guy, then the other guy must be
the
good guy, no matter your prejudices.
cesar
What "religion" was Muhammed when he started claiming to have visions?
("Religion" is in quotes because Muslims believe that the True Religion
is
Islam, whichever is the True Religion for the time - Abraham was Islam,
Moses
was Islam, Jesus was Islam, because all practiced the True Religion of
their
times).
Woods
You got it Woods! Islam means, literally, "Surrender to God". What
does
Israel mean? "He who fought with the angel of God" Therefore, what
does
Judeo-Christian mean? "He who fought with Christ."
All the prophets of God practiced Islam before it even had a name. All
the
righteous people on earth are practicing Islam because they have
surrendered
their will to God. Muslims who believe in Mohammed's prophecy ritualised
the form of worship, as proof and practice of that worship in a temple.
But
rituals don't mean anything unless one's heart and soul are in it. There
are many evil "Muslims" as there are evil "Christians". True Islam
means
the utter and total surrender of one's own will (including one's own
life)
to God.
Well, I'd clarify and say that the *percentages* of evil
Christians/Muslims are
the same, rather than the numbers. That said, since the evil Muslims tend
to be
in cultures that go over-the-top in violence to get their point across,
I'd take
an evil Christian over an evil Muslim any day - the former is only a
threat to
himself whereas the latter is a risk to everyone.
Woods
I have to disagree with you on this. The "Christians", i.e.: the West are
more devious. They use machines and surrogates to do their killings for
them. Christianity has been a civilization of conquests and empires. While
you might be referring to those Palestinian suicide bombers as evil Muslims,
they see themselves as legitimate warriors using tactics much like the
Kamikaze pilots did. Now, if you're referring to the al-Qaeda terrorists,
there is no proof who the perpetrators were and if they were Muslim or not.
Muslims have been ranting against the Christians for centuries calling for
"holy war" against the west. Yet, on balance, Christian West have killed
more people than any other rival group since its foundation had definitely
more than the conquering Muslims did. The Crusades were always the
aggressors and this final one will be no different.
cesar
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| User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald" |
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28 Feb 2004 01:43:17 PM |
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(Woodswun) wrote in message news:<h920c.51648$um1.49513@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
In article <40409938_2@127.0.0.1>, "cesar" <cesar@no.email> wrote:
Well, I'd clarify and say that the *percentages* of evil Christians/Muslims are
the same, rather than the numbers. That said, since the evil Muslims tend to be
in cultures that go over-the-top in violence to get their point across, I'd take
an evil Christian over an evil Muslim any day - the former is only a threat to
himself whereas the latter is a risk to everyone.
Woods
Many believe, including I, that Saudi Arabia is pulling the purse
strings on 'Changing' ( incorporating their version of the Islam
religion onto society) For example, Muhammad never treated women the
way the Taliban sponsored Saudi's promote, or Saudi royal families who
break Muhammad's laws daily, women as subservients.
This is a fact - to further this, Muhammad was submissive to A'isha,
his youngest and one of his later wives. This says something about the
man and his real beliefs, not the hijacking ones that are promoted
today. The very fact that Muhammad did more for Women rights at that
time in history than any other culture should tell you that today
Islam is not practiced in its correct form.
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28 Feb 2004 07:35:35 AM |
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No
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| User: "Dan" |
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03 Mar 2004 02:54:26 AM |
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No
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06 Mar 2004 05:39:01 PM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:63h1c.673798$X%5.47551@pd7tw2no...
No
You might not want to jump to a conclusion through prejudice. The author,
whom I accidentally discovered today while looking for material on quantum
physics did an enormous amount of work at his website on all sorts of
subjects. Amazing stuff...
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/Islam.html#Sura531927
cesar
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| User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville" |
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03 Mar 2004 03:08:20 PM |
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Gods mother was a prophet of God.
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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| User: "Dan" |
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03 Mar 2004 06:54:59 PM |
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"Saint Isidore of Laytonville" wrote;
Gods mother was a prophet of God.
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
What a conundrum, eh? And people think *we* freak them out, eh?
Ain't God a Genius? Who knew?
Hey, keep tokin', keep smokin', keep ahem..whatever, and keep
being you. Not to worry, chum. For those who love the Truth, and
the Light, as they come across it in experience and have an
actual **heart** to understand, they will have no choice either,
as to whether their names are written in the Book of Life, or
not. Tom, your destiny has been pre-ordained. Every single one of
your choices has been noted down, good and evil. Hearts are
growing cold all over the world, can you feel it?
He knows your actual heart; I only caught a fleeting glimpse. For
those who think too much, life is a tragedy. For those who feel
too much, life is a comedy.
Ain't it hell to be too much of both, Tom? Laughing hysterically
one second, and weeping in heaving sobs the next. Some Divine
Comedy, Director's uncut version, on Mandela. God, I wish I could
just ***** outta here, join you hippie wannabes down there in
SF, and just be able to stop and smell the *****, the Pacific
fog, smog, and catch some rays. I've got a lot of earthly
'wishes', but only one heavenly hope.
You wanted to know why I think I'm going to be dead by October. I
promised an answer, and to a friend at least, that's ok enuff
with me. But, I'm going to have to put the answer in the form of
a riddle. Answer it correctly, and I will give you the answer.
Question: What's green, lies around the house, and has wheels?
Dan
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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03 Mar 2004 08:22:46 PM |
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Dan axed:
Question: What's green, lies around the
house, and has wheels?
Um.......portable oxygen.
Dan
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| User: "Grantland" |
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04 Mar 2004 05:03:55 AM |
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(sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
Dan axed:
Question: What's green, lies around the
house, and has wheels?
Um.......portable oxygen.
What's green and eats nuts?
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Gonnarrhea!!!
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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04 Mar 2004 09:25:02 PM |
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Grantland wrote:
tugbertswife@webtv.net (sUSAn B
Anthony) wrote:
Dan axed:
Question: What's green, lies around
the house, and has wheels?
Um.......portable oxygen.
What's green and eats nuts?
Gonnarrhea!!!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-uuuuuuuuuu!
He's a gonnarr, fer sure!
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| User: "DaarkSyde" |
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04 Mar 2004 08:44:32 AM |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:03:55 GMT, (Grantland)
wrote:
tugbertswife@webtv.net (sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
Dan axed:
Question: What's green, lies around the
house, and has wheels?
Um.......portable oxygen.
What's green and eats nuts?
Grantland, oops sorry I thought you said what's green and eats cocks
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| User: "Grantland" |
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04 Mar 2004 09:29:37 AM |
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DaarkSyde <DaarkSyde@everywhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:03:55 GMT, (Grantland)
wrote:
tugbertswife@webtv.net (sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
Dan axed:
Question: What's green, lies around the
house, and has wheels?
Um.......portable oxygen.
What's green and eats nuts?
Grantland, oops sorry I thought you said what's green and eats cocks
Fair mistake, considering your circumstances. You're forgiven.
Grantland
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04 Mar 2004 11:54:59 AM |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:29:37 GMT, (Grantland)
wrote:
DaarkSyde <DaarkSyde@everywhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:03:55 GMT, (Grantland)
wrote:
tugbertswife@webtv.net (sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
Dan axed:
Question: What's green, lies around the
house, and has wheels?
Um.......portable oxygen.
What's green and eats nuts?
Grantland, oops sorry I thought you said what's green and eats cocks
Fair mistake, considering your circumstances. You're forgiven.
Grantland
It was directed at you Grantland or are you that stupid.
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| User: "Dani" |
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04 Mar 2004 04:09:22 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:29:37 GMT, (Grantland)
wrote:
DaarkSyde <DaarkSyde@everywhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:03:55 GMT, (Grantland)
wrote:
tugbertswife@webtv.net (sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
Dan axed:
Question: What's green, lies around the
house, and has wheels?
Um.......portable oxygen.
What's green and eats nuts?
Grantland, oops sorry I thought you said what's green and eats cocks
Fair mistake, considering your circumstances. You're forgiven.
Oh God, Grantland.. I just *literally* LOL'ed at this.. usually I just
*write* LOL when I think something is funny.. but I just sat in my
chair and started to laugh loudly at the computer screen .. (my uncle
must think I'm nuts) .. hehe.. that was awesome.
Dani
Grantland
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| User: "Saint Isidore of Laytonville" |
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03 Mar 2004 07:12:49 PM |
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Dan wrote with this riddle asking:
<< Question: What's green, lies around the house, and has wheels? >>
The old rotten battery in a wheel chair.
The Psychedelick Pope
Saint Isidore of Laytonville
^Ö^ Patron Saint of the Internet ^Ö^
°°^Ö^ °°
http://apple2.org.za/gswv/me
AOXOMOXOA and ENESSA QUA ONNICA
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| User: "Dan" |
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03 Mar 2004 09:21:11 PM |
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"Saint Isidore of Laytonville" wrote that I, Daniel, wrote with
this riddle asking:
<< Question: What's green, lies around the house, and has
wheels? >>
The old rotten battery in a wheel chair.
Did I say this was a two out of three agreement, Biff?..Buffy?
No, I don't think so, Tim. Tom. Dang!
A typical given answer s that would suffice as being deemed
'correct' include;
1. ET back on earth at Elliot's house; without a job, raiding the
fridge and like, umm...with roller blades on.
Until then, no soup for you, dude! Until you know Tolkien's
Hobbit's riddle, there will be, and can be no correct answer.
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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03 Mar 2004 06:37:20 AM |
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Some say he was a "demon-possessed pedophile."
Depends on WHO you ask!
If you ask me.......the Southern Baptist are FULL of child molesters.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/698981/posts
ST. LOUIS - A former Southern Baptist Convention president stirred
interfaith tumult when he described Muhammad, Islam's revered founder,
as a "demon-possessed pedophile."
The Rev. Jerry Vines made the comments Monday night at the Southern
Baptist Pastors Conference, drawing strong denunciation from Muslim
leaders Tuesday when his statements were publicized.
But the Rev. Jack Graham, the new president of the Southern Baptist
Convention, and the Rev. James Merritt, outgoing president, supported
Vines.
Hodan Hassan, a spokeswoman for the Washington-based Council for
American-Islamic Relations, said Vines' comments were divisive and
inaccurate.
"This kind of hate-filled rhetoric is very shocking," Hassan said. "It
is especially surprising to see it coming from someone of that stature
making such a statement concerning a religion that is practiced by
one-fifth of the world's population."
Vines, senior pastor of the First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Fla.,
deplored the rising tide of pluralism.
"Today, people are saying all religions are the same," Vines said. "They
would have us believe Islam is just as good as Christianity. But I'm
here to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that Islam is not as good as
Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born Lord Jesus
Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who
had 12 wives and his last one was a 9-year-old girl."
Muslims maintain that they are the descendants of the Judeo-Christian
progenitor Abraham and serve the same God as Jews and Christians, even
though they call him Allah.
But Vines said: "Allah is not Jehovah. Jehovah is not going to turn you
into a terrorist that'll try to bomb people and take the lives of
thousands and thousands of people."
Hassan said, "I would hope that responsible people of the Southern
Baptist Convention would deliver a strong denunciation of Reverend
Vines' comments."
But during a news conference Tuesday, Graham quoted from Unveiling
Islam, which was written by two former Muslims who are professors at
conservative Baptist theological schools. Authors Ergun Caner, an
assistant professor at Criswell College in Dallas, and Emir Caner, an
assistant professor at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake
Forest, N.C., said Muhammad had numerous concubines and 13 wives,
including the 9-year-old girl, Graham said.
Syad Ahsani of Arlington, Southwest regional chairman of the American
Muslim Alliance, said Muhammad was betrothed to the child, which was a
common practice; however, such marriages weren't consummated until
children reached adolescence.
Hassan said it is not known when Muhammad's marriage was consummated.
Muhammad was involved in polygamy, but so were early Jewish leaders,
others said.
Selod Faroog, an orthopedic surgeon and an Islamic spokesman in Fort
Worth, said: "People who can't face the truth come out and make
accusations like this. If Muhammad was heavily involved in multiple
wives, he wouldn't have had time to spend all night praying like
tradition says."
Reaction to Vines' comment came as the annual meeting formally began
with about 9,600 messengers, or delegates.
President Bush addressed the Baptists by satellite Tuesday morning,
praising them for their belief that religion should not be separated
from political life.
Later, 12 gay activists from the California-based SoulForce, perennial
protesters at the convention, were arrested as they tried to disrupt
Merritt's convention message. Some protesters shouted, "Please hear us.
... God loves his gay and lesbian children," before they were carried
away by police and charged with trespassing motivated by religious
discrimination.
Outside, 37 people were arrested when they refused to obey a police
order not to turn away from the America's Center. They were charged with
failing to obey a police officer.
Merritt worked the protesters into his sermon, saying they are examples
of the nation's "culture war" going on in the nation.
"We love homosexuals," he said. "God loves homosexuals, but he loves
them too much to leave them homosexuals."
Still, some Southern Baptists said Vines' comments could hurt efforts
for Muslims and Christians to work together.
"That language is so offensive that it tears down any bridge we might
have to speak to Muslims about Christianity," said Bruce Prescott,
executive director of Oklahoma Mainstream Baptists, a moderate group.
Even some conservatives who agree with Vines' assessment had
reservations about his statements.
Richard Land, director of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious
Liberty Commission, said, "I agree with Dr. Vines: There is no way to
salvation except through Jesus Christ." But Vines' language differed
from what he would use, Land said.
Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in
Louisville, Ky., said that Muhammad is a complex figure and that he did
not know enough about his life to comment on the pedophile accusation.
Baptists have angered other religious groups with their statements and
tactics.
Some Baptist congregations prayed for the conversion of Muslims to
Christianity during Ramadan, a period for religious observances in
Islam.
Baptists distributed literature on how to convert Jehovah's Witnesses
and Mormons, which they describe as "cults," in 2000.
In 1999, some Baptists publicly called for prayers during Jewish holy
days for conversion of Jews to Christianity.
In other action Tuesday, Baptist moderates asked that Southern Baptist
missionaries who were hired under older Baptist Faith and Message
Statements be allowed to continue serving even if they refuse to affirm
the newer, more controversial 2000 Baptist Faith and Message.
The requests were referred to the International Mission Board and the
North American Mission Board, effectively killing them.
Another motion asked the Southern Baptist Convention to recognize only
one state convention in each state. Texas, Virginia and Missouri have
competing state conventions.
If approved, it could severely affect the Baptist General Convention of
Texas, which is controlled by moderates. An alternative convention, the
Southern Baptists of Texas, led by conservatives, is strongly supported
by the national Southern Baptist Convention.
Staff writer Brett Hoffman contributed to this report
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03 Mar 2004 06:51:42 AM |
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(sUSAn B Anthony) wrote:
Some say he was a "demon-possessed pedophile."
Depends on WHO you ask!
If you ask me.......the Southern Baptist are FULL of child molesters.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/698981/posts
Dan is a Pedophile. I can tell.
Grantland
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03 Mar 2004 12:26:24 PM |
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"Grantland" wrote;
Dan is a Pedophile. I can tell.
Grantland
No, what I AM is a poor judge of character. I thought you were a
decent human being. Same with Susan B. Anthony. Neither are you
are, at all.
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03 Mar 2004 12:45:18 PM |
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"Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Grantland" wrote;
Dan is a Pedophile. I can tell.
Grantland
No, what I AM is a poor judge of character. I thought you were a
decent human being. Same with Susan B. Anthony. Neither are you
are, at all.
You've just got no sense of humor, you stiff, pompous, turgid,
pretentious, deluded BORE! You're not Al Gore, are you?
Grantland
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04 Mar 2004 08:40:32 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:26:24 GMT, "Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Grantland" wrote;
Dan is a Pedophile. I can tell.
Grantland
No, what I AM is a poor judge of character. I thought you were a
decent human being. Same with Susan B. Anthony. Neither are you
are, at all.
Ignore them Dan, don't give up the fight. They know what they are *****
disturbers with no life trying to get Anti-Americans to give up the
fight. I guess the truth hurts.
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04 Mar 2004 09:42:46 PM |
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dumbdaarkskidmaark as predicted wrote:
-snip-
yawwwwwwwwnzzzzzzZ!
hum-hum-hum......
You really are a boring ho-hummer, arent ya, dumbdaark?
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04 Mar 2004 04:07:52 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:40:32 -0500, DaarkSyde
<DaarkSyde@everywhere.com> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:26:24 GMT, "Dan" <twotrickpony@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Grantland" wrote;
Dan is a Pedophile. I can tell.
Grantland
No, what I AM is a poor judge of character. I thought you were a
decent human being. Same with Susan B. Anthony. Neither are you
are, at all.
Ignore them Dan, don't give up the fight. They know what they are *****
disturbers with no life trying to get Anti-Americans to give up the
fight. I guess the truth hurts.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! (frigin' idiot!) "Don't give up the fight" ..lol!
Dani
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| User: "sUSAn B Anthony" |
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03 Mar 2004 08:00:20 AM |
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Grantland wrote:
sUSAn wrote:
Some say he was a "demon-possessed
pedophile."
Depends on WHO you ask!
If you ask me.......the Southern Baptist
are FULL of child molesters.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/698981/posts
Dan is a Pedophile. I can tell.
Oh! That's disgusting!
Hey, all you kids out there.....
if Dan should approach you and offer a ride on his "trick pony", you
tell him NOooo!....and then run and tell your parents.
Grantland
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03 Mar 2004 08:51:34 AM |
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:00:20 -0500 (EST), (sUSAn
B Anthony) wrote:
Grantland wrote:
sUSAn wrote:
Some say he was a "demon-possessed
pedophile."
Depends on WHO you ask!
If you ask me.......the Southern Baptist
are FULL of child molesters.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/698981/posts
Dan is a Pedophile. I can tell.
Oh! That's disgusting!
Hey, all you kids out there.....
if Dan should approach you and offer a ride on his "trick pony", you
tell him NOooo!....and then run and tell your parents.
Grantland
And you believe anything Grantland says? Hahahahaha what a fool.
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