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We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!! |
HOOROO !
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www.abc.net.au/news
Last Update: Friday, March 24, 2006. 8:43pm (AEDT)
Study: Melting ice sheets could spur oceans rise (ABC TV)
Melting ice sheets could hasten sea rise: study
Climate scientists have warned that a predicted rise in sea levels due
to global warming could be far more rapid than previously thought.
Studies published in the journal Science, showed that between the last
two ice ages - about 130,000 years ago - sea levels increased by as
much as four to six metres above current levels as polar ice sheets
melted.
Temperatures then were one-degree Celsius higher than now.
But researchers say that by the end of this century, the world could be
three to four degrees warmer.
Dr Jonathan Overpeck from the University of Arizona was one of the
scientists who carried out the research.
"We're going to cross a threshold sometime later in this century,
beyond which major retreat of ice sheets and corresponding large
increases in sea level are inevitable and irreversible," Dr Overpeck
said.
"We know when the sea level was that high in the past, and we know how
much warming is necessary to get that amount of sea level rise from
both Greenland and Antarctica."
The ice sheets are already melting, accelerated by relatively warm
water that eats away at them, said NASA glacier expert Bob
Bindschadler.
"It's not really a debate any more about whether sea level is rising or
not. I think the debate has shifted to, how rapidly is sea level
rising," Mr Bindschadler said.
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25 Mar 2006 03:10:51 AM |
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Maybe your not so fricked after all. Maybe all you have to do is love
God, love other people, and buy a hoola-hoop.
Jesus said this about 30 AD:
"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that
its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the
mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country
not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment
of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for
pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the
land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and
will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be
trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are
fulfilled. There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the
earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and
tossing of the sea. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is
coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that
time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and
great glory. "
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Flavius Josephus recorded these events in about 74AD concerning the
destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and Jerusalem in 70AD:
BOOK 6, CHAPTER 5- THE WARS OF THE JEWS:
THE GREAT DISTRESS THE JEWS WERE IN UPON THE CONFLAGRATION OF THE HOLY
HOUSE. CONCERNING A FALSE PROPHET, AND THE SIGNS THAT PRECEDED THIS
DESTRUCTION.
1. WHILE the holy house was on fire, every thing was plundered that
came to hand, and ten thousand of those that were caught were slain;
nor was there a commiseration of any age, or any reverence of gravity,
but children, and old men, and profane persons, and priests were all
slain in the same manner; so that this war went round all sorts of men,
and brought them to destruction, and as well those that made
supplication for their lives, as those that defended themselves by
fighting. The flame was also carried a long way, and made an echo,
together with the groans of those that were slain; and because this
hill was high, and the works at the temple were very great, one would
have thought the whole city had been on fire. Nor can one imagine any
thing either greater or more terrible than this noise; for there was at
once a shout of the Roman legions, who were marching all together, and
a sad clamor of the seditious, who were now surrounded with fire and
sword. The people also that were left above were beaten back upon the
enemy, and under a great consternation, and made sad moans at the
calamity they were under; the multitude also that was in the city
joined in this outcry with those that were upon the hill. And besides,
many of those that were worn away by the famine, and their mouths
almost closed, when they saw the fire of the holy house, they exerted
their utmost strength, and brake out into groans and outcries again:
Pera did also return the echo, as well as the mountains round about
[the city,] and augmented the force of the entire noise. Yet was the
misery itself more terrible than this disorder; for one would have
thought that the hill itself, on which the temple stood, was seething
hot, as full of fire on every part of it, that the blood was larger in
quantity than the fire, and those that were slain more in number than
those that slew them; for the ground did no where appear visible, for
the dead bodies that lay on it; but the soldiers went over heaps of
those bodies, as they ran upon such as fled from them. And now it was
that the multitude of the robbers were thrust out [of the inner court
of the temple by the Romans,] and had much ado to get into the outward
court, and from thence into the city, while the remainder of the
populace fled into the cloister of that outer court. As for the
priests, some of them plucked up from the holy house the spikes that
were upon it, with their bases, which were made of lead, and shot them
at the Romans instead of darts. But then as they gained nothing by so
doing, and as the fire burst out upon them, they retired to the wall
that was eight cubits broad, and there they tarried; yet did two of
these of eminence among them, who might have saved themselves by going
over to the Romans, or have borne up with courage, and taken their
fortune with the others, throw themselves into the fire, and were burnt
together with the holy house; their names were Meirus the son of
Belgas, and Joseph the son of Daleus.
2. And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was
round about the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains
of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side,
and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward.
They also burnt down the treasury chambers, in which was an immense
quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other
precious goods there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there
it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together,
while the rich people had there built themselves chambers [to contain
such furniture]. The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters
that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and
children, and a great mixed multitude of the people, fled, in number
about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined any thing about
these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the
soldiers were in such a rage, that they set that cloister on fire; by
which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by
throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters
themselves. Nor did any one of them escape with his life. A false
prophet was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a
public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them
to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous
signs of their deliverance. Now there was then a great number of false
prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced
this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this
was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed
up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity
does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes
him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which
oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his
deliverance.
3. Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and
such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit
to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their
future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see
or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to
them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the
city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also before the
Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war,
when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened
bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, [Nisan,] and at the
ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the
holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for
half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful,
but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those
events that followed immediately upon it. At the same festival also, a
heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought
forth a lamb in the midst of the temple. Moreover, the eastern gate of
the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy,
and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a
basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm
floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened
of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that
kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the
temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without
great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to
the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them
the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the
security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that
the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these
publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was
coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the
one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain
prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of
it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it,
and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as
to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops
of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds,
and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call
Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of
the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred
ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking,
and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a
great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence." But, what is still more
terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a
husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when
the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast
whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in
the temple, began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a
voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against
Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the
brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he
went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However,
certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at
this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number
of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or
any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with
the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing,
as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the
man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his
bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself,
nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone
possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to
Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked
him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he
made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off
his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and
dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war
began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by
them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words,
as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he
give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words
to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and
indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry
of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty
for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired
therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest
fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon
the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city
again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added
at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one
of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he
was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.
4. Now if any one consider these things, he will find that God takes
care of mankind, and by all ways possible foreshows to our race what is
for their preservation; but that men perish by those miseries which
they madly and voluntarily bring upon themselves; for the Jews, by
demolishing the tower of Antonia, had made their temple four-square,
while at the same time they had it written in their sacred oracles,
"That then should their city be taken, as well as their holy house,
when once their temple should become four-square." But now, what did
the most elevate them in undertaking this war, was an ambiguous oracle
that was also found in their sacred writings, how," about that time,
one from their country should become governor of the habitable earth."
The Jews took this prediction to belong to themselves in particular,
and many of the wise men were thereby deceived in their determination.
Now this oracle certainly denoted the government of Vespasian, who was
appointed emperor in Judea. However, it is not possible for men to
avoid fate, although they see it beforehand. But these men interpreted
some of these signals according to their own pleasure, and some of them
they utterly despised, until their madness was demonstrated, both by
the taking of their city and their own destruction.
--
Have you considered that when Jesus said "this generation", He was
pertaining to His generation, that the "last days" were in the first
century? :
Mat 23:34 Because of this, behold, I send to you prophets and wise
ones and scribes. And some of them you will kill and crucify, and some
of them you will flog in your synagogues and will persecute from city
to city;
Mat 23:35 so that should come on you all the righteous blood poured
out on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of
Zechariah the son of Berechiah whom you murdered between the Holy Place
and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Truly I say to you, ALL THESE THINGS WILL COME ON THIS
GENERATION.
Mat 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one killing the prophets and
stoning those sent to her. How often I desired to gather your children
in the way a bird gathers her chicks under her wings! And you did not
desire it.
Mat 23:38 Behold, "your house is left to you desolate." Jer. 22:5
And that when Jesus said "these are the days", He was pertaining to His
generation, those in the first century?:
Luk 21:22 For these are days of vengeance when all things that have
been written are to be fulfilled.
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26 Mar 2006 05:53:26 PM |
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"The Last 2460 daysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1143265491.624207.151500@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
HOOROO !
UNCLE WALLY
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www.abc.net.au/news
Last Update: Friday, March 24, 2006. 8:43pm (AEDT)
Study: Melting ice sheets could spur oceans rise (ABC TV)
Melting ice sheets could hasten sea rise: study
Climate scientists have warned that a predicted rise in sea levels due
to global warming could be far more rapid than previously thought.
Studies published in the journal Science, showed that between the last
two ice ages - about 130,000 years ago - sea levels increased by as
much as four to six metres above current levels as polar ice sheets
melted.
Temperatures then were one-degree Celsius higher than now.
But researchers say that by the end of this century, the world could be
three to four degrees warmer.
Dr Jonathan Overpeck from the University of Arizona was one of the
scientists who carried out the research.
"We're going to cross a threshold sometime later in this century,
beyond which major retreat of ice sheets and corresponding large
increases in sea level are inevitable and irreversible," Dr Overpeck
said.
"We know when the sea level was that high in the past, and we know how
much warming is necessary to get that amount of sea level rise from
both Greenland and Antarctica."
The ice sheets are already melting, accelerated by relatively warm
water that eats away at them, said NASA glacier expert Bob
Bindschadler.
"It's not really a debate any more about whether sea level is rising or
not. I think the debate has shifted to, how rapidly is sea level
rising," Mr Bindschadler said.
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Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly released
from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to happen)
then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden cooling
due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another long ice-age.
All of this could even happen within many of our lifetimes as ice cores
of previous temperature swings have shown.
Scary Stuff - Expect Mass Starvation, Wars, Cannibalism,
Draconian Laws & LOTS MORE REFUGEES...
Have a nice day :-)
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26 Mar 2006 11:32:29 PM |
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Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly released
from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to happen)
yes.
then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden cooling
due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another long ice-age.
please elaborate on this part.
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27 Mar 2006 07:29:38 PM |
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"imorf" <imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote in message =
news:1143433788.579403@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net...
immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
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Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly =
released
from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to =
happen)
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yes.
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then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden =
cooling
due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another =
long ice-age.
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please elaborate on this part.
The exact mechanisms are not yet understood though it is suspected that
it may be because of forests drying out & burning pretty much worldwide
releasing huge amounts of smoke & fine particulates, blocking out enough
of the sunlight for years to cause a rapid drop in temperatures, ocean =
current
upheavals, widespread snow, sea surface ice, land glaciation etc etc =
etc.=20
Ice & snow reflect light & heat, preventing warming such that ice ages
can last for vast periods of time. eg: much of the Earths history has
been in ice ages. Short warm periods like now are the exception, not the =
rule.
Judging by previous cycles, the longer & hotter the warm period,
the colder, longer & more extreme the ice age will be.
Ours is one of the longest & warmest known periods... not promising...
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27 Mar 2006 11:42:02 PM |
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wrote:
Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly released
from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to happen)
yes.
then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden cooling
due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another long ice-age.
please elaborate on this part.
The exact mechanisms are not yet understood though it is suspected that
it may be because of forests drying out & burning pretty much worldwide
releasing huge amounts of smoke & fine particulates, blocking out enough
of the sunlight for years to cause a rapid drop in temperatures, ocean current
upheavals, widespread snow, sea surface ice, land glaciation etc etc etc.
I just think your time frame of 20-80 years is too short. You are
extrapolating from past occurrences that lacked man's influence,
humankind won't allow global forest fires to burn indefinitely (we are
too greedy to allow such a waste of wood). It would only be massive
volcanism causing dimming we would have no control over.
Ice & snow reflect light & heat, preventing warming such that ice ages
can last for vast periods of time. eg: much of the Earths history has
been in ice ages. Short warm periods like now are the exception, not the rule.
Irrelevant, since most of Earth's history did not have industrial
mankind in plague proportions.
Judging by previous cycles, the longer & hotter the warm period,
the colder, longer & more extreme the ice age will be.
Ours is one of the longest & warmest known periods.
and it will go on indefinitely due to anthropogenic CO2 input, until we
reduce CO2 production to below levels that allow for natural processes
to remove it from the atmosphere faster than what we are adding. This
will probably never happen (not in this century anway), and also take a
long long time to complete.
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28 Mar 2006 03:22:03 PM |
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"imorf" <imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote in message =
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immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly =
released
from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to =
happen)
yes.
then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden =
cooling
due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another =
long ice-age.
please elaborate on this part.
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The exact mechanisms are not yet understood though it is suspected =
that
it may be because of forests drying out & burning pretty much =
worldwide
releasing huge amounts of smoke & fine particulates, blocking out =
enough
of the sunlight for years to cause a rapid drop in temperatures, =
ocean current
upheavals, widespread snow, sea surface ice, land glaciation etc etc =
etc.=20
=20
I just think your time frame of 20-80 years is too short. You are=20
extrapolating from past occurrences that lacked man's influence,=20
humankind won't allow global forest fires to burn indefinitely (we are =
too greedy to allow such a waste of wood). It would only be massive=20
volcanism causing dimming we would have no control over.
Mans influence just made the increase occur quicker.
During past events the co2 and other greenhouse gasses
were just as bad, due maybe to fires, or other nutural causes.
So it could still happen just as fast as in past events.
(or we could be lucky - who knows yet...)
Fires - we couldn't possibly stop it...
eg: The amazon has been drying and is having a terrible drought.
If it were to get too much worse then there would be little hope
of stopping raging fires in such a remote region nor in asia.
We in the 'western world' cannot even stop bad fires=20
in OZ or the US so to say that we would just stop it
in remote places in poor and undeveloped countries=20
is just not realistic.
As far as vulcanism goes, just one big volcano going off
heavily and not stopping for a while can have a huge effect
all by its self due to the very fine particles pushed high into
the atmosphere.
=20
Ice & snow reflect light & heat, preventing warming such that ice =
ages
can last for vast periods of time. eg: much of the Earths history has
been in ice ages. Short warm periods like now are the exception, not =
the rule.
=20
Irrelevant, since most of Earth's history did not have industrial=20
mankind in plague proportions.
Irrelevant, since co2 & other greenhouse gasses became just as bad=20
in previous events before man was here - man just fast-tracked it and
continues to make it worse as we speak & into the futures since only
greed is important to our 'leaders' - leading us into hell on earth =
perhaps....
Judging by previous cycles, the longer & hotter the warm period,
the colder, longer & more extreme the ice age will be.
Ours is one of the longest & warmest known periods.
=20
and it will go on indefinitely due to anthropogenic CO2 input, until =
we=20
reduce CO2 production to below levels that allow for natural processes =
to remove it from the atmosphere faster than what we are adding. This=20
will probably never happen (not in this century anway), and also take =
a=20
long long time to complete.
Fine smoke & ash particles in the upper atmosphere have a bigger effect
than co2. It blocks the heat from getting to the earths surface,=20
so the co2 cannot trap heat that isn't getting here... 101.
The primary thing keeping the greenhouse effect from getting worse=20
at the moment is fine particles of pollution in the upper atmosphere.
This was only discovered quite recently and is undeniable.
The effect was quite startling.
- Regards.
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28 Mar 2006 09:31:07 PM |
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Mans influence just made the increase occur quicker.
Man's influence has pushed atm CO2 well beyond the natural historical
peak. Look at this graph of est atm CO2 for the past 400,000 years
<http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm>.
CO2 at 280-290ppmv appears to be the natural (ie non human influenced)
historical cyclical peak. That graph does not show it, but 2005 levels
were in excess of 370 ppmv (ie off the graph), and has increased from a
pre-industrial concentration of about 280 ppmv.
During past events the co2 and other greenhouse gasses
were just as bad, due maybe to fires, or other nutural causes.
Wrong, see above graph and compare current levels.
Fires - we couldn't possibly stop it...
Why not, they are already planning/building a huge road through the
amazon, that is in essence a firebreak. How can you predict what man
will do in the future. If the "great" forests do end up drying and
becoming such a threat then it is quite conceivable future governments
will be forced to create containment lines, which will also encourage
further exploitation.
eg: The amazon has been drying and is having a terrible drought.
If it were to get too much worse then there would be little hope
of stopping raging fires in such a remote region nor in asia.
We in the 'western world' cannot even stop bad fires
in OZ or the US so to say that we would just stop it
in remote places in poor and undeveloped countries
is just not realistic.
You don't need to put the fire out, only contain it, and eventually it
rains, or the wind turns it back on itself etc example Indonesian fires
a few years ago. But you are comparing current fire fighting measures to
imagined extreme environmental conditions of the future, and not
allowing for changes in policies to take that into account. see my prior
paragraph.
As far as vulcanism goes, just one big volcano going off
heavily and not stopping for a while can have a huge effect
all by its self due to the very fine particles pushed high into
the atmosphere.
err that has been happening for millenia, and unless it's a global and
non-stop phenomenon they are but blips on the radar. Their dimming
effects don't last beyond a few years of the eruption (one or two
decades at the most for the biggest, eg Krakatoa?)
Ice & snow reflect light & heat, preventing warming such that ice ages
can last for vast periods of time. eg: much of the Earths history has
been in ice ages. Short warm periods like now are the exception, not the rule.
Irrelevant, since most of Earth's history did not have industrial
mankind in plague proportions.
Irrelevant, since co2 & other greenhouse gasses became just as bad
in previous events before man was here - man just fast-tracked it and
continues to make it worse as we speak & into the futures since only
greed is important to our 'leaders' - leading us into hell on earth perhaps....
You don't make sense. My point was your cyclical historical changes have
now been adulterated by man's influence, so can no longer be relied upon
to repeat. Then you say my point is irrelevant because man has impacted
upon the natural cycle. Anyway if by that you mean man's impact is
negligable compared to natural processes, please explain the
*exponential* rise in atm CO2 from 1870 to the present.
Judging by previous cycles, the longer & hotter the warm period,
the colder, longer & more extreme the ice age will be.
Ours is one of the longest & warmest known periods.
"Judging by previous cycles", CO2 would have been at its peak at under
300ppmv were it not for the industrial release of CO2 by man.
and it will go on indefinitely due to anthropogenic CO2 input, until we
reduce CO2 production to below levels that allow for natural processes
to remove it from the atmosphere faster than what we are adding. This
will probably never happen (not in this century anway), and also take a
long long time to complete.
Fine smoke & ash particles in the upper atmosphere have a bigger effect
than co2. It blocks the heat from getting to the earths surface,
so the co2 cannot trap heat that isn't getting here... 101.
The primary thing keeping the greenhouse effect from getting worse
at the moment is fine particles of pollution in the upper atmosphere.
This was only discovered quite recently and is undeniable.
The effect was quite startling.
yes, I know all that. It's quite disturbing that pollution from the
unfiltered processes of the pre- 80's has been masking global warming,
and hence so much worse is to come.
However my bone of contention is your suggestion that perhaps there
could be a quick turn around due to global dimming brought about by
global warming processes towards another ice age. I suggest that man has
pushed atm CO2 far beyond what nature has been able to reverse in the
past, and there is still a lot more CO2 to be released over the next 50
years (we are only just starting the decline side of peak oil curve and
the two largest populations in the world are just starting their
industrial/economic catchup). Other than sustained global volcanism
(unlikely) there will be no natural mechanisms big enough and sustained
enough to have much of an impact (sorry but I can't see us allowing all
the forests of the world to burn down). Whatever fires there are, their
-% dimming will not overcome the +% greenouse capacity we have added.
I do however share your pessimism. :)
Till man reduces CO2 atm output to below what natural sinks can consume,
we are in for a warm and wet (sea level wise) future.
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immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
Mans influence just made the increase occur quicker.
=20
Man's influence has pushed atm CO2 well beyond the natural historical=20
peak. Look at this graph of est atm CO2 for the past 400,000 years=20
<http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm>.
CO2 at 280-290ppmv appears to be the natural (ie non human influenced) =
historical cyclical peak. That graph does not show it,=20
Because the graph is 50 years old.
but 2005 levels=20
were in excess of 370 ppmv (ie off the graph), and has increased from =
a=20
pre-industrial concentration of about 280 ppmv.
See further below.
=20
During past events the co2 and other greenhouse gasses
were just as bad, due maybe to fires, or other nutural causes.
=20
Wrong, see above graph and compare current levels.
That is a plot of 50 year old data which only shows the most recent =
events.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phanerozoic_Carbon_Dioxide.png=20
I've seen *much* more detailed plots of similar data=20
& will post it when I find the site again.=20
I've checked heaps of sites already which is why I took so long to =
reply.
Fires - we couldn't possibly stop it...
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Why not, they are already planning/building a huge road through the=20
amazon, that is in essence a firebreak.=20
Much of the Amazon is very, very remote & virtually inaccesable.
In areas where roads have increased,=20
greatly so have the incidences of fires due to man.
You need a much bigger firebreak than a road to stop raging fires in a =
drought.
Embers can carry in the updraughts of the fires for many kilometers=20
and then start further fires where they land.
How can you predict what man=20
will do in the future. If the "great" forests do end up drying and=20
becoming such a threat then it is quite conceivable future governments =
will be forced to create containment lines, which will also encourage=20
further exploitation.
*see above.
Also, roads don't last long in the amazon & they don't have the funds=20
to maintain most of them properly. Logging trucks are part of, but not
entirely the problem. Exposed soils oft turn to mush when it rains
and weeds won't hold it together for long as the soil is far to poor.
Where there are people in the Amazon - there are fires.=20
- Far more fires than areas without humans...
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eg: The amazon has been drying and is having a terrible drought.
If it were to get too much worse then there would be little hope
of stopping raging fires in such a remote region nor in asia.
=20
We in the 'western world' cannot even stop bad fires=20
in OZ or the US so to say that we would just stop it
in remote places in poor and undeveloped countries=20
is just not realistic.
=20
You don't need to put the fire out, only contain it, and eventually it =
rains, or the wind turns it back on itself etc example Indonesian =
fires=20
a few years ago.
That's called being lucky.
But you are comparing current fire fighting measures to=20
imagined extreme environmental conditions of the future, and not=20
allowing for changes in policies to take that into account. see my =
prior=20
paragraph.
We couldn't possibly stop bad fires in remote places
during a severe drought. Sadly, this isn't Star Trek :-(
Luck is the only hope we'd have of stopping fires
in those sort of extreme situations.
=20
As far as vulcanism goes, just one big volcano going off
heavily and not stopping for a while can have a huge effect
all by its self due to the very fine particles pushed high into
the atmosphere.
=20
err that has been happening for millenia, and unless it's a global and =
non-stop phenomenon they are but blips on the radar. Their dimming=20
effects don't last beyond a few years of the eruption (one or two=20
decades at the most for the biggest, eg Krakatoa?)
There is evidence that before each ice age there has also
been a big increase in vulcanism, including under-sea vulcanism.
Sea temperatures are rising faster than co2 global warming
can account for - especially in the deeper parts of the ocean.
Perhaps the vulcanism is the cause of this deep ocean heating.
(quite likely it seems)
Magma also seems to be becoming more active in various places
that were previously believed to be 'dead'.=20
Perhaps the extra pressure from the water of rising oceans=20
is placing enough pressure on the ocean floor to cause
magma to be forced upwards towards the surface.
It makes sense really.
=20
Ice & snow reflect light & heat, preventing warming such that ice =
ages
can last for vast periods of time. eg: much of the Earths history =
has
been in ice ages. Short warm periods like now are the exception, not =
the rule.
Irrelevant, since most of Earth's history did not have industrial=20
mankind in plague proportions.
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Irrelevant, since co2 & other greenhouse gasses became just as bad=20
in previous events before man was here - man just fast-tracked it and
continues to make it worse as we speak & into the futures since only
greed is important to our 'leaders' - leading us into hell on earth =
perhaps....
=20
You don't make sense. My point was your cyclical historical changes =
have=20
now been adulterated by man's influence, so can no longer be relied =
upon=20
to repeat. Then you say my point is irrelevant because man has =
impacted=20
upon the natural cycle. Anyway if by that you mean man's impact is=20
negligable compared to natural processes, please explain the=20
*exponential* rise in atm CO2 from 1870 to the present.
Read it again, it was self explanitory.
Judging by previous cycles, the longer & hotter the warm period,
the colder, longer & more extreme the ice age will be.
Ours is one of the longest & warmest known periods.
=20
"Judging by previous cycles", CO2 would have been at its peak at under =
300ppmv were it not for the industrial release of CO2 by man.
You are only looking at the most recent cycles in that 50 year old =
graph.
There are much more extreme co2 cycles of varying frequencies.
Many factors are involved which all work together to shape our climate
and its cycles. Some cycles are probably inevitavble no-matter how much
co2 we pump into the air. The extra co2 may even make it worse and may
even be one of the triggers - there may likely be more than one trigger =
also.
=20
and it will go on indefinitely due to anthropogenic CO2 input, until =
we=20
reduce CO2 production to below levels that allow for natural =
processes=20
to remove it from the atmosphere faster than what we are adding. This =
will probably never happen (not in this century anway), and also take =
a=20
long long time to complete.
=20
Fine smoke & ash particles in the upper atmosphere have a bigger =
effect
than co2. It blocks the heat from getting to the earths surface,=20
so the co2 cannot trap heat that isn't getting here... 101.
The primary thing keeping the greenhouse effect from getting worse=20
at the moment is fine particles of pollution in the upper atmosphere.
This was only discovered quite recently and is undeniable.
The effect was quite startling.
=20
yes, I know all that. It's quite disturbing that pollution from the=20
unfiltered processes of the pre- 80's has been masking global warming, =
and hence so much worse is to come.
However my bone of contention is your suggestion that perhaps there=20
could be a quick turn around due to global dimming brought about by=20
global warming processes towards another ice age. I suggest that man =
has=20
pushed atm CO2 far beyond what nature has been able to reverse in the=20
past, and there is still a lot more CO2 to be released over the next =
50=20
years (we are only just starting the decline side of peak oil curve =
and=20
the two largest populations in the world are just starting their=20
industrial/economic catchup).=20
co2 has been much higher many times, before the scope of that 50 year =
old graph.
If anything, co2 appears to have made climate swings worse - more =
drastic.
Other than sustained global volcanism=20
(unlikely)=20
Starting to appear more likely due to recent undersea discoveries.
there will be no natural mechanisms big enough and sustained=20
enough to have much of an impact (sorry but I can't see us allowing =
all=20
the forests of the world to burn down).=20
It doesn't need all of them to burn down & we'd have little hope
of stopping raging fires in remote areas during droughts,=20
no matter how many roads & firebreaks we build.
The amazon is already drying out badly in some areas like never known =
before
and it doesn't look good for the future - even the below ground =
reservoirs under
the forests are drying out (extensive cave systems under much of the =
amazon).
Whatever fires there are, their=20
-% dimming will not overcome the +% greenouse capacity we have added.
Heat that doesn't get to the lower atmosphere & surface=20
due to high altitude particulates cannot be held in by co2
so the co2 becomes a mute point at that stage of the game.
I do however share your pessimism. :)
Though it might not seem like it, I'm not the pessimistic type :-)
More of a realistic type... It's no use worrying about it, just keep =
informed,
do what little you can, hope for the best, be realistic & ready to do
what you have to if things do turn out to be less than ideal.
If the worst does ever come true then knowledge & a little prep
might improve your chances, or not. Either keep trying or give up ;-)
Till man reduces CO2 atm output to below what natural sinks can =
consume,=20
we are in for a warm and wet (sea level wise) future.
We may already be effectively at the end of this interglacial period, or =
not.
Only time will tell...
- Cheers
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"imorf" <imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote in messa.really.really.old.net wrote:
Mans influence just made the increase occur quicker.
Man's influence has pushed atm CO2 well beyond the natural historical
peak. Look at this graph of est atm CO2 for the past 400,000 years
<http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm>.
CO2 at 280-290ppmv appears to be the natural (ie non human influenced)
historical cyclical peak. That graph does not show it,
Because the graph is 50 years old.
No it's not, it's based off the Vostok ice core which was first begun in
the 1970's and then drilled further.
" Vostok research station has operated year-round for more than 37
years. In the 1970s, researchers from the Soviet Union drilled a set of
holes 500–952 m deep in the ice (see figure 2). These holes have been
used to study the oxygen isotope composition of the ice, which showed
that ice of the last glacial period was present below about 400 m depth.
Then three more holes were drilled: in 1984, Hole 3G reached a final
depth of 2202 m; in 1990, Hole 4G reached a final depth of 2546; and in
1993 Hole 5G reached a depth of 2755 m. The station was temporarily
closed in January 1994, but it reopened last November and drilling
continued during the winter of 1995. The core, the longest ever drilled,
has now reached 3100 m. It is 50 m longer than the core from Greenland
that previously held the record."
What is more important is the science behind the analysis of the core is
current. Apparently they have added another 250,000 years to the record
but I haven't seen a graph of that. If you can locate one, that would be
good.
but 2005 levels
were in excess of 370 ppmv (ie off the graph), and has increased from a
pre-industrial concentration of about 280 ppmv.
See further below.
During past events the co2 and other greenhouse gasses
were just as bad, due maybe to fires, or other nutural causes.
Wrong, see above graph and compare current levels.
That is a plot of 50 year old data which only shows the most recent events.
Are you saying the data is wrong (because you date it 50 years)?
There are enough swings in the CO2/temp graph in that record for the
last 400,000 years to show a significant regular cyclical relationship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phanerozoic_Carbon_Dioxide.png
I've seen *much* more detailed plots of similar data
& will post it when I find the site again.
I've checked heaps of sites already which is why I took so long to reply.
That graph is meaningless to this debate. Where is the temp? How does a
500 million y.o. earth compare to today? (see my reply to your appending
post)
We need a CO2 vs Temp graph that extends the Vostok data beyond 400,000
years. There may be recently released data going back to 650,000 or even
950,000 years that would be illuminating.
<snip>
I do however share your pessimism. :)
Though it might not seem like it, I'm not the pessimistic type :-)
More of a realistic type.
Yes I'm a realist too, and that's why I'm pessimistic about it. The
changes are already happening, but our CO2 release is still growing at
an accelerating rate, and our economic greed will not slow it. By the
time it does, it will be too late.
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immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
"imorf" <imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote in =
messa.really.really.old.net wrote:
Mans influence just made the increase occur quicker.
Man's influence has pushed atm CO2 well beyond the natural historical =
peak. Look at this graph of est atm CO2 for the past 400,000 years=20
<http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm>.
CO2 at 280-290ppmv appears to be the natural (ie non human =
influenced)=20
historical cyclical peak. That graph does not show it,=20
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Because the graph is 50 years old.
No it's not,=20
Have a look at the link you posted,
look at the botton of each graph,
take note of:
"Year before present (present =3D 1950)"
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"imorf" <imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote in message news:1143849641.941314@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net...
wrote:
"imorf" <imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote in messa.really.really.old.net wrote:
Mans influence just made the increase occur quicker.
Man's influence has pushed atm CO2 well beyond the natural historical
peak. Look at this graph of est atm CO2 for the past 400,000 years
<http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm>.
CO2 at 280-290ppmv appears to be the natural (ie non human influenced)
historical cyclical peak. That graph does not show it,
Because the graph is 50 years old.
No it's not,
Have a look at the link you posted,
look at the botton of each graph,
take note of:
"Year before present (present = 1950)"
that doesn't mean "the graph" is 50 years old, that just means they
chose to show the data going back from that date, for whatever reason
1950 was their benchmark. It stands to reason that if the ice core
samples were begun during the 1970's and added onto thereafter, then the
graph could not be 50 years old.
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31 Mar 2006 08:54:13 AM |
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A couple of interesting links showing possible extemes of earths past =
climate :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~devans/iitpw/iitpwpr.html
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31 Mar 2006 06:30:23 PM |
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A couple of interesting links showing possible extemes of earths past climate :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~devans/iitpw/iitpwpr.html
Thanks.
They are interesting in themselves, and they are extremes, but they
don't really apply to our more recent/current situation.
The geological/tectonic/atmospheric makeup/flora/fauna/solar activity of
the Earth 500 million years ago and beyond, is so different as to make
it a stretch that it can relate meaningfully to the current greenhouse
debate. The Cambrian explosion (or what caused it) and the Snowball
Earth's are not even cyclical events. They are more "one-offs" and
stemmed from large tectonic migrations of the supercontinent. Today's
Earth is relatively tectonically stable, and plates move at a slow speed.
What you need to show me/us is a graph of atm CO2 vs global temp going
back beyond 400,000 years that shows what happens if or when atm CO2
goes beyond 290ppmv.
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26 Mar 2006 10:58:04 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:32:29 +1000, imorf
<imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote:
immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly released
from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to happen)
yes.
then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden cooling
due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another long ice-age.
please elaborate on this part.
Repeat Grade 8 Science
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27 Mar 2006 02:11:01 AM |
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Kirilenko wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:32:29 +1000, imorf
<imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote:
immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly released
from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to happen)
yes.
then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden cooling
due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another long ice-age.
please elaborate on this part.
Repeat Grade 8 Science
did you? you have my sympathy.
let the poster to whom the question was asked reply.
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25 Mar 2006 02:29:20 AM |
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If you can run faster than 2cm a year you should be alright....
"The Last 2460 daysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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HOOROO !
UNCLE WALLY
---0---
www.abc.net.au/news
Last Update: Friday, March 24, 2006. 8:43pm (AEDT)
Study: Melting ice sheets could spur oceans rise (ABC TV)
Melting ice sheets could hasten sea rise: study
Climate scientists have warned that a predicted rise in sea levels due
to global warming could be far more rapid than previously thought.
Studies published in the journal Science, showed that between the last
two ice ages - about 130,000 years ago - sea levels increased by as
much as four to six metres above current levels as polar ice sheets
melted.
Temperatures then were one-degree Celsius higher than now.
But researchers say that by the end of this century, the world could be
three to four degrees warmer.
Dr Jonathan Overpeck from the University of Arizona was one of the
scientists who carried out the research.
"We're going to cross a threshold sometime later in this century,
beyond which major retreat of ice sheets and corresponding large
increases in sea level are inevitable and irreversible," Dr Overpeck
said.
"We know when the sea level was that high in the past, and we know how
much warming is necessary to get that amount of sea level rise from
both Greenland and Antarctica."
The ice sheets are already melting, accelerated by relatively warm
water that eats away at them, said NASA glacier expert Bob
Bindschadler.
"It's not really a debate any more about whether sea level is rising or
not. I think the debate has shifted to, how rapidly is sea level
rising," Mr Bindschadler said.
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| User: "Whatcher?" |
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27 Mar 2006 02:53:29 PM |
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You're worried about something that wont happen in YOUR own lifetime? It's
only going to affect those born from 1990 onwards more than likely.
"The Last 2460 daysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1143265491.624207.151500@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
HOOROO !
UNCLE WALLY
---0---
www.abc.net.au/news
Last Update: Friday, March 24, 2006. 8:43pm (AEDT)
Study: Melting ice sheets could spur oceans rise (ABC TV)
Melting ice sheets could hasten sea rise: study
Climate scientists have warned that a predicted rise in sea levels due
to global warming could be far more rapid than previously thought.
Studies published in the journal Science, showed that between the last
two ice ages - about 130,000 years ago - sea levels increased by as
much as four to six metres above current levels as polar ice sheets
melted.
Temperatures then were one-degree Celsius higher than now.
But researchers say that by the end of this century, the world could be
three to four degrees warmer.
Dr Jonathan Overpeck from the University of Arizona was one of the
scientists who carried out the research.
"We're going to cross a threshold sometime later in this century,
beyond which major retreat of ice sheets and corresponding large
increases in sea level are inevitable and irreversible," Dr Overpeck
said.
"We know when the sea level was that high in the past, and we know how
much warming is necessary to get that amount of sea level rise from
both Greenland and Antarctica."
The ice sheets are already melting, accelerated by relatively warm
water that eats away at them, said NASA glacier expert Bob
Bindschadler.
"It's not really a debate any more about whether sea level is rising or
not. I think the debate has shifted to, how rapidly is sea level
rising," Mr Bindschadler said.
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27 Mar 2006 07:08:33 PM |
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"Whatcher?" <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote in message =
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au...
"The Last 2460 daysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in =
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HOOROO !
UNCLE WALLY
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www.abc.net.au/news
Last Update: Friday, March 24, 2006. 8:43pm (AEDT)
Study: Melting ice sheets could spur oceans rise (ABC TV)
Melting ice sheets could hasten sea rise: study
Climate scientists have warned that a predicted rise in sea levels =
due
to global warming could be far more rapid than previously thought.
Studies published in the journal Science, showed that between the =
last
two ice ages - about 130,000 years ago - sea levels increased by as
much as four to six metres above current levels as polar ice sheets
melted.
Temperatures then were one-degree Celsius higher than now.
But researchers say that by the end of this century, the world could =
be
three to four degrees warmer.
Dr Jonathan Overpeck from the University of Arizona was one of the
scientists who carried out the research.
"We're going to cross a threshold sometime later in this century,
beyond which major retreat of ice sheets and corresponding large
increases in sea level are inevitable and irreversible," Dr Overpeck
said.
"We know when the sea level was that high in the past, and we know =
how
much warming is necessary to get that amount of sea level rise from
both Greenland and Antarctica."
The ice sheets are already melting, accelerated by relatively warm
water that eats away at them, said NASA glacier expert Bob
Bindschadler.
"It's not really a debate any more about whether sea level is rising =
or
not. I think the debate has shifted to, how rapidly is sea level
rising," Mr Bindschadler said.
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You're worried about something that wont happen in YOUR own lifetime? =
It's=20
only going to affect those born from 1990 onwards more than likely.
ie: peoples children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, etc, etc,
if they survive the global turmoil that this could well bring =
about...
Selfish people should be composted - put to some good use...
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28 Mar 2006 05:52:11 AM |
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What amuses everyone the most is that you DO act like you care!
1) It wont happen in your lifetime so who gives a ***** really? Do you worry
the Earth will eventually either be hit by something from space or maybe
fall into the sun because eventually one or the other will happen.
2) You even bark up the wrong fucking TREE! Honestly, scientists are
actually even starting to ADMIT what I have been saying for 2 or 3 years
now - the PLANETS are bigger and brighter at night but the stars aren't and
guess what? The Sun didn't reverse its' magnetic field entirely as it
normally does every 11 years for the last 100 at least. Someone want to
explain why that is a bad thing to you?
Sheesh! Maroons!
You're worried about something that wont happen in YOUR own lifetime?
It's
only going to affect those born from 1990 onwards more than likely.
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news:44288c90@news.comindico.com.au...
ie: peoples children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, etc, etc,
if they survive the global turmoil that this could well bring
about...
Selfish people should be composted - put to some good use...
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| Title: Re: We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!! |
28 Mar 2006 03:51:11 PM |
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"Whatcher?" <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote in message =
news:4429236b$0$1244$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.=
au...
What amuses everyone the most is that you DO act like you care!
Only those with psycopathy would not if they=20
had thought about it and comprehended it...
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1) It wont happen in your lifetime so who gives a ***** really?=20
Since, due to ignorance, you don't seem to have a clue as to=20
if or when it may happen, nor how long I will live,=20
your opinion is rather useless. Why do you bother?
Do you worry=20
the Earth will eventually either be hit by something from space or =
maybe=20
fall into the sun because eventually one or the other will happen.
The fate of this planet is important to many of its inhabitants,=20
though maybe not to you...
It affects peoples children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, etc, =
etc...,
as well as all of the life on this amazingly diverse planet.=20
If we don't cause our own extinction then me might someday be able to
colonise space, even other worlds, to preserve our species and many
of the other species that we haven't already made extinct.
You sound like the sort of person who would be happy to trigger the=20
destruction of the whole world the moment your heart stops beating...
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2) You even bark up the wrong fucking TREE! Honestly, scientists are=20
actually even starting to ADMIT what I have been saying for 2 or 3 =
years=20
now - the PLANETS are bigger and brighter at night but the stars =
aren't and=20
guess what?=20
Relevance? Meaning? Medication?
The Sun didn't reverse its' magnetic field entirely as it=20
normally does every 11 years for the last 100 at least. Someone want =
to=20
explain why that is a bad thing to you?
Who said it was?=20
Did you forget to take something?
Sheesh! Maroons!
Yep, they are annoying and don't always make very much sense at all...
Selfish people & top-posters should be composted - put to some good use.
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| User: "Whatcher?" |
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| Title: Re: We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!! |
29 Mar 2006 06:15:50 AM |
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<immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net> wrote in message
news:4429afce@news.comindico.com.au...
"Whatcher?" <t.4.2@2.4.t> wrote in message
news:4429236b$0$1244$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
What amuses everyone the most is that you DO act like you care!
Only those with psycopathy would not if they
had thought about it and comprehended it...
That's only YOUR point of view and as you are so narcisistic, you believe it
is so for everybody.
1) It wont happen in your lifetime so who gives a ***** really?
Since, due to ignorance, you don't seem to have a clue as to
if or when it may happen, nor how long I will live,
your opinion is rather useless. Why do you bother?
Your own nasal narcisism wont let you look beyond the end of your own nose,
will it? If nobody agrees with you, it honestly IS because the only one who
truly loves/agrees with you IS you.
Honestly, get over YOURSELF and then you will get a better grip on reality!
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