What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they haven't
a clue.
Of course, cigarette smoking is detrimental to one's health but it's
not the major culprit here. Depleted Uranium and other pollutants in
the Iraqi environment are far more harmful than cigarette smoking.
However, it has been suggested that the gummy nicotine in the troop's
lungs would certainly be like glue for inhaled pollutants...like DU.
The military should look a lot farther then "cigarettes" as the cause
of the current mystery respiratory outbreak. After all, troops have
been smoking cigarettes for eons - especially during combat operations
- but this is the first time I have heard of cigarette smoking named
as the cause of pneumonia that progressed to ventilator intervention
and deaths. Either the miltary is clueless... or they KNOW what is
causing the illness but don't want to make the information public.
Patricia Doyle
UNDIAGNOSED RESPIRATORY ILLNESS, DEATH - IRAQ (08)
A ProMED-mail post ProMED-mail is a program of the International
Society for Infectious Diseases www.isid.org
[1] Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:13:24 +0100 From: George Robertson
<George.Robertson@itt.com Source: New York Times 10 Sep 2003 [edited]
<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/10/international/middleeast/10PNEU.html
Smoking Tied to Pneumonia Cases in War Zones
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The puzzling cluster of pneumonia cases among American troops in Iraq
and other countries in the war region seems to be partly related to
the fact that many had taken up smoking shortly before they became
ill, Pentagon officials said 9 Sep 2003.
2 teams of military and civilian epidemiologists and environmental
health specialists have been investigating a cluster of 19 cases of
severe pneumonia, including 2 deaths, that occurred from 1 Mar through
August 2003. No new cases have occurred since 20 Aug 2003, and the
earlier patients have all been discharged from the hospital.
"We do not have an epidemic," and there is not an unusual number of
pneumonia cases among troops in the war area, Dr. William Winkenwerder
Jr., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs, told reporters
in a telephone conference call.
He said the military has investigated the cluster because of the
particular severity of the pneumonia -- all patients needed assistance
from mechanical ventilators to breathe. Most responded "fairly
dramatically" within days after such therapy and antibiotics, said
Col. Bob DeFraites, the Army's chief of preventive medicine.
The SARS coronavirus, adenovirus, parasites, and vaccinations against
smallpox or anthrax have been ruled out. Though the specific cause of
the outbreak has not been identified, "we have a somewhat improved
understanding" of what the phenomenon is, Dr. Winkenwerder said.
The investigators found that 4 of the 19 patients had suffered
bacterial pneumonia. Of the other 15 cases, 10, including the 2 men
who died, had markedly increased numbers of a certain type of white
blood cell known as an eosinophil. The eosinophil count was from 4 to
11 times higher than normal.
The investigators are leaning towards a noninfectious cause and are
focusing on one finding "that has jumped out at us," that 9 of the 10
patients with high eosinophil counts reported that they had started
smoking recently, Dr. DeFraites said.
Tobacco smoke is a prime suspect because it is known to damage lungs
and increase their susceptibility to pneumonia. Also, at least one
published paper has reported a similar link between smoking and severe
pneumonia. A combination of stress, heat, dust, and other factors may
have acted in concert with smoking to cause illness, Dr. DeFraites
said.
Pentagon officials provided no information on what cigarette brand the
sick individuals smoked but said such information could come from
additional studies that are being planned.
13 of the patients became ill in Iraq. 3 became ill in Kuwait, and one
each in Qatar, Uzbekistan, and Djibouti. There has been no evidence of
person-to-person spread of the illness. Only 2 of the cases involved
members of the same battalion, and the onset of their illness was 4
months apart.
[Byline: Lawrence K. Altman]
-- George A. Robertson, PhD ITT - Advanced Engineering and Sciences
Alexandria, VA <George.Robertson@itt.com
[A summary of the information as provided by American Forces Press
Service can be found at
<http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2003/n09102003_200309102.html -
Mod.LL]
****** [2] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 From: ProMED-mail
<promed@promedmail.org Source: Morbid Mortal Weekly Rep
2003;52:857-59. [edited]
<http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5236a1.htm
Severe Acute Pneumonitis Among Deployed US Military Personnel -
Southwest Asia, Mar-Aug 2003
------------------------------------------------- During March-August
2003, a total of 19 US military personnel deployed in the Central
Command (CENTCOM) area of responsibility had bilateral pneumonitis
requiring intubation and mechanical ventilation [see figure at above
website - Mod.LL]); 2 patients died. This report summarizes the
results of the US Army's investigation of these cases and describes
the ongoing investigation to determine the cause(s). Cases of rapidly
progressive respiratory failure among former or current CENTCOM
personnel should be reported to state health departments and to the
Department of Defense (DoD).
Of the 19 patients (median age: 25 years; range: 19-47 years), 18 were
men; 12 were full-time active duty personnel, and 7 were in the
Reserve Component or National Guard (based in Arkansas, Illinois,
Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, New Mexico, and North Dakota). 17 were in
the Army, one was in the Navy, and one was in the Marine Corps; 11
were junior enlisted personnel, 7 were noncommissioned officers, and
one was an officer. Military specialties included combat arms (8),
engineering (3), transportation (2), signal corps (2), medical
services (2), supply (one), and military police (one). Illness onset
occurred a median of 81 days (range: 1-189 days) after arrival in the
area of responsibility.
10 patients had evidence of elevated eosinophils in at least one of
the following: peripheral blood (8), bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (3),
pulmonary tissue (1), or pleural fluid (1). Among the 8 patients with
peripheral eosinophilia, the maximum absolute number of eosinophils
was 2000-6600 in microL of blood (normal: <600). The peripheral
eosinophilia was detected a median of 6 days (range: 4-11 days) after
illness onset.
An interim case definition has been established. A confirmed case of
severe acute pneumonitis with elevated eosinophils is defined as an
illness occurring in a current or former member of the US armed forces
or a US government employee deployed to the CENTCOM area of
responsibility who had 1) bilateral pneumonitis (i.e.,
radiographically confirmed pulmonary infiltrates) that required
mechanical ventilation and that did not result from a complication of
another medical condition and 2) elevated pulmonary eosinophils
(identified histologically, in bronchoalveolar lavage fluid [5
percent] or in pleural fluid [5 percent]). A probable case is defined
as an illness in a person deployed to the CENTCOM area of
responsibility who had bilateral pneumonitis requiring mechanical
ventilation and the presence of peripheral eosinophilia (600 microL
blood absolute count). A suspect case is defined as an illness in a
person deployed to the CENTCOM area of responsibility who had
bilateral pneumonitis requiring mechanical ventilation only.
As of 8 Sep 2003, 4 cases were confirmed, 6 were probable, and 9 were
suspect. 4 patients had laboratory evidence of infection with a
microbial agent. _Streptococcus pneumoniae_ was isolated from sputum
culture in one probable case. 3 patients with suspect cases showed
evidence of infection (_S. pneumoniae_ based on urine antigen,
_Coxiella burnettii_ based on serology, and _Acinetobacter baumannii_
from bronchoscopic culture). [ProMED previously posted a cluster of
community-acquired _Acinetobacter_ infections in Iraq - Acinetobacter,
drug resistant - Iraq: RFI 20030417.0934 - Mod.LL]
All patients were treated with broad-spectrum antibiotics, and 6
received corticosteroids, including 2 patients whose cases were
confirmed and 3 whose cases were probable. The course of illness
varied (median duration of intubation: 6 days; range: 2-35 days). For
some patients, infiltrates and respiratory failure resolved rapidly
(i.e., 2-3 days) with or without steroids, and other patients required
longer periods of mechanical ventilation. All 17 surviving patients
either have been placed on convalescent leave or have returned to
duty.
When they became ill, 13 patients were in Iraq, and 6 were in other
countries (Kuwait [3], Djibouti [1], Qatar [1], and Uzbekistan [1]).
Other than 2 patients from the same unit with suspect cases and with
onset of illness 4 months apart, no apparent geographic or unit-level
clustering has been identified. Of the 19 patients, 15 (79 percent)
smoked cigarettes or cigars, including the 10 patients whose cases
were either confirmed or probable. 9 of these 10 patients had begun
smoking tobacco after deployment, compared with none of the 9 patients
whose cases were suspect. 2 recent-onset smokers reported smoking
non-US-brand cigarettes. All troops in the CENTCOM area of
responsibility have been exposed to heat, dust, and various amounts of
environmental pollution (e.g., smoke).
The US Army is conducting a clinical and epidemiologic investigation
to identify the cause(s) of this disease, including intensive testing
of clinical material (i.e., blood, urine, bronchoalveolar lavage
fluid, and acute and convalescent sera) to identify potential
microbial pathogens and toxins. In addition, military personnel are
interviewing patients systematically to identify any common exposures
or practices. Environmental testing to identify potential toxins will
be guided by clinical, diagnostic, and patient surveys. Initial data
analysis suggests that medications, vaccines, and biologic weapons are
not associated with the disease.
Reported by: Operation Iraqi Freedom Severe Acute Pneumonitis
Epidemiology Group, U.S. Army Medical Command. National Center for
Infectious Diseases; National Center for Environmental Health, CDC.
MMWR Editorial Note: The majority of cases of acute lower respiratory
illness (LRI) among US military personnel in Southwest Asia have been
comparable clinically and have occurred at a rate similar to those in
other military populations and settings (1). In contrast, the rapidly
progressive LRI cases described in this report were life-threatening
and required intensive medical care, including mechanical ventilation
with high-end expiratory pressures.
Although investigations are ongoing, preliminary findings suggest a
subset of these cases are compatible with the diagnosis of acute
eosinophilic pneumonia (AEP). AEP is an acute febrile illness without
an identifiable infectious cause that is characterized by the rapid
onset and progression of respiratory failure, diffuse bilateral
infiltrates on chest radiographs, and elevated eosinophils in lung
biopsy specimens or bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (2).
Cigarette smoking (particularly of recent onset) is a risk factor for
AEP (3-7), and some affected persons have experienced acute
respiratory distress when exposed to cigarette smoke in a laboratory
setting (5,6). The finding that 9 of the 10 persons whose cases were
severe and who had documented elevated eosinophils started smoking
cigarettes after their deployment suggests the possibility of a toxin
or allergen exposure; however, no single brand of cigarette or
location of production has been implicated in this association. DoD
has advised CENTCOM personnel that cigarette smoking, particularly the
initiation of smoking, might be associated with the development of
severe acute pneumonitis with elevated eosinophils.
In 1997, 2 US soldiers had rapidly progressive acute respiratory
distress syndrome and elevated eosinophils shortly after returning
from field training in the Mojave Desert in California (8). The
occurrence of these cases in troops who were not deployed overseas
suggests that exposures unique to Iraq (e.g., abandoned buildings,
unexploded ordnance, and war-damaged vehicles or equipment) or to any
of the countries in which the cases occurred (e.g., indigenous food,
water, and materials) might not be necessary or sufficient for the
development of this disease.
No US-based military personnel are known to have had severe acute
pneumonitis with increased eosinophils during this period. However,
the return of troops from Southwest Asia raises the possibility that
US health-care providers might be the first to observe members of this
population who experience otherwise unexplained acute respiratory
failure.
Clinicians should elicit the travel histories of patients with rapidly
progressive respiratory failure of unknown etiology and report cases
among persons -- particularly military personnel -- who have returned
recently from the CENTCOM area of responsibility to their state health
department and to the U.S. Army Center for Health Promotion and
Preventive Medicine, telephone 410-436-4655.
1. Gray GC, Callahan JD, Hawksworth AW, et al. Respiratory diseases
among U.S. military personnel: countering emerging threats. Emerg
Infect Dis 1999;3:379-85.
2. Allen JN, Pacht ER, Gadek JE, et al. Acute eosinophilic pneumonia
as a reversible cause of noninfectious respiratory failure. N Engl J
Med 1989;321:569-74.
3. Shiota Y, Kawai T, Matsumoto H, et al. Acute eosinophilic pneumonia
following cigarette smoking. Intern Med 2000;39:830-3.
4. Shintani H, Fujimura M, Yasui M, et al. Acute eosinophilic
pneumonia caused by cigarette smoking. Intern Med 2000;39:66-8.
5. Tanino Y, Yamaguchi E, Takaoka K, et al. Cytokines and Th2 cells in
AEP of smoking. Allergy 2002;57:463-4.
6. Watanabe K, Fujimura M, Kasahara K, et al. Acute eosinophilic
pneumonia following cigarette smoking: a case report including
cigarette-smoking challenge test. Intern Med 2002;41:1016-20.
7. Nakajima M, Manabe T, Sasaki T, Niki Y, Matsushima T. Acute
eosinophilic pneumonia caused by cigarette smoking. Intern Med
2000;39:1131-2.
8. Giacoppe GN, Degler DA. Rapidly evolving adult respiratory distress
syndrome with eosinophilia of unknown cause in previously healthy
active duty soldiers at an Army training center: report of two cases.
Mil Med 1999;164:911-6.
-- ProMED-mail <promed@promedmail.org
[This newly available CDC paper is the most detailed report regarding
the clinical and microbiological aspects of the cases. It may well the
case that recent onset of tobacco smoking may play a role in the
cases. Data on smoking habits of totally unaffected personnel would be
instructive. It is not clear whether rechallenge with cigarettes (if
they contain the potential immunogen) would cause a relapse. One 1997
report from Japan suggested it might (1), but one later report from
the same group reported that it did not (2).
1. Sasaki T, Nakajima M, Kawabata S, et al. Acute eosinophilic
pneumonia induced by cigarette smoke [Japanese]. Nihon Kyobu Shikkan
Gakkai Zasshi 1997;35:89-94.
2. Nakajima M, Yoshida K, Miyashita N, et al. Eosinophilia and cough
induced by resumption of cigarette smoking in a beginning smoker
recovering from acute respiratory failure [Japanese]. Nihon Kokyuki
Gakkai Zasshi 1999;37:543-48. - Mod.LL]
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12 Sep 2003 06:53:43 PM |
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In article <uqc3mvo5g3ov8f64qdaqlnotohktf0eq8m@4ax.com>, wrote:
What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they haven't
a clue.
Wouldn't you think that someone with a PhD would know enough to use a spell
checker before submitting an article for publication?
Woods
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12 Sep 2003 09:47:17 PM |
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"Woodswun" <woodswun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0t8b.54353$yG2.43383@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <uqc3mvo5g3ov8f64qdaqlnotohktf0eq8m@4ax.com>,
DaarkSyde@home.com wrote:
What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they haven't
a clue.
Wouldn't you think that someone with a PhD would know enough to use a
spell
checker before submitting an article for publication?
Woods
I figured DippShytt would've dredged up some bogus crap about the mystery
pneumonia. Like it being some sort of Bush conspiricy plot to fool the
American public into thinking the troops were poisoned by biologicals.
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13 Sep 2003 05:52:39 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:47:17 -0700, "dreamwalker" <backfrom
the@dead.com> wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0t8b.54353$yG2.43383@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <uqc3mvo5g3ov8f64qdaqlnotohktf0eq8m@4ax.com>,
DaarkSyde@home.com wrote:
What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they haven't
a clue.
Wouldn't you think that someone with a PhD would know enough to use a
spell
checker before submitting an article for publication?
Woods
I figured DippShytt would've dredged up some bogus crap about the mystery
pneumonia. Like it being some sort of Bush conspiricy plot to fool the
American public into thinking the troops were poisoned by biologicals.
As soon as I find it I will post it dickwanker...there happy now
inbreed?
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| User: "Ed Cregger" |
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13 Sep 2003 06:43:32 AM |
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What is this fascination you have with inbreeding? The Europeans are still
doing it. It is illegal in the US.
Ed Cregger
<DaarkSyde@home.com> wrote in message
news:kmt5mvkpmiuvokav6jb0a3lcbbngf6gik7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:47:17 -0700, "dreamwalker" <backfrom
the@dead.com> wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0t8b.54353$yG2.43383@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <uqc3mvo5g3ov8f64qdaqlnotohktf0eq8m@4ax.com>,
DaarkSyde@home.com wrote:
What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they haven't
a clue.
Wouldn't you think that someone with a PhD would know enough to use a
spell
checker before submitting an article for publication?
Woods
I figured DippShytt would've dredged up some bogus crap about the mystery
pneumonia. Like it being some sort of Bush conspiricy plot to fool the
American public into thinking the troops were poisoned by biologicals.
As soon as I find it I will post it dickwanker...there happy now
inbreed?
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| User: "WH" |
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13 Sep 2003 09:30:14 AM |
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"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:bjuvsn01bi6@enews2.newsguy.com...
What is this fascination you have with inbreeding? The Europeans are still
doing it. It is illegal in the US.
Ed Cregger
Which Europeans cregger you idiot?
Oh maybe you saw that on Fox news and it has to be true!
You stupid *****!
WH
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13 Sep 2003 12:18:45 PM |
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"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bjuvsn01bi6@enews2.newsguy.com...
What is this fascination you have with inbreeding? The Europeans are still
doing it. It is illegal in the US.
Thanks Ed. That explains a lot. Have you seen DiipShyt's sister? He's the
only man she could get.
Ed Cregger
<DaarkSyde@home.com> wrote in message
news:kmt5mvkpmiuvokav6jb0a3lcbbngf6gik7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:47:17 -0700, "dreamwalker" <backfrom
the@dead.com> wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0t8b.54353$yG2.43383@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <uqc3mvo5g3ov8f64qdaqlnotohktf0eq8m@4ax.com>,
DaarkSyde@home.com wrote:
What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In
On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when
they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As
I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they
haven't
a clue.
Wouldn't you think that someone with a PhD would know enough to use a
spell
checker before submitting an article for publication?
Woods
I figured DippShytt would've dredged up some bogus crap about the
mystery
pneumonia. Like it being some sort of Bush conspiricy plot to fool the
American public into thinking the troops were poisoned by biologicals.
As soon as I find it I will post it dickwanker...there happy now
inbreed?
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| User: "Jean Guernon" |
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13 Sep 2003 06:56:12 PM |
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LOLOL
J.
dreamwalker a écrit :
"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bjuvsn01bi6@enews2.newsguy.com...
What is this fascination you have with inbreeding? The Europeans are still
doing it. It is illegal in the US.
Thanks Ed. That explains a lot. Have you seen DiipShyt's sister? He's the
only man she could get.
Ed Cregger
<DaarkSyde@home.com> wrote in message
news:kmt5mvkpmiuvokav6jb0a3lcbbngf6gik7@4ax.com...
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:47:17 -0700, "dreamwalker" <backfrom
the@dead.com> wrote:
"Woodswun" <woodswun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0t8b.54353$yG2.43383@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <uqc3mvo5g3ov8f64qdaqlnotohktf0eq8m@4ax.com>,
DaarkSyde@home.com wrote:
What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In
On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when
they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As
I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they
haven't
a clue.
Wouldn't you think that someone with a PhD would know enough to use a
spell
checker before submitting an article for publication?
Woods
I figured DippShytt would've dredged up some bogus crap about the
mystery
pneumonia. Like it being some sort of Bush conspiricy plot to fool the
American public into thinking the troops were poisoned by biologicals.
As soon as I find it I will post it dickwanker...there happy now
inbreed?
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13 Sep 2003 12:32:53 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:18:45 -0700, "dreamwalker" <backfrom
the@dead.com> wrote:
"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bjuvsn01bi6@enews2.newsguy.com...
What is this fascination you have with inbreeding? The Europeans are still
doing it. It is illegal in the US.
Thanks Ed. That explains a lot. Have you seen DiipShyt's sister? He's the
only man she could get.
Ed Cregger
Explains nothing ***** wanker, I'm not European. But I hear you love
rimming your mamma.
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13 Sep 2003 12:31:17 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:43:32 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
<ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote:
What is this fascination you have with inbreeding? The Europeans are still
doing it. It is illegal in the US.
Ed Cregger
It explains all the stupid Americans.
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| User: "Ed Cregger" |
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13 Sep 2003 02:40:36 AM |
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This is a prime example of why I am no longer impressed by the average yo-yo
with a PhD, Master's Degree, etc. It means nothing these days.
Ed Cregger
"Woodswun" <woodswun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0t8b.54353$yG2.43383@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <uqc3mvo5g3ov8f64qdaqlnotohktf0eq8m@4ax.com>,
DaarkSyde@home.com wrote:
What Are They Smoking
At The Pentagon?
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
9-11-3
Smoke and Mirrors!
Pentegon Puffs Out Blame For Mystery Pneumonia Hitting US Troops In On
'CIGARETTE SMOKING'
I wonder what the Pentegon Epdemiologists have been smoking when they
came up with this 'cause' for military respiratory illness cases? As I
mentioned previously when the Military claimed they knew what was
responsible for the illness and death of troops in Iraq, they haven't
a clue.
Wouldn't you think that someone with a PhD would know enough to use a
spell
checker before submitting an article for publication?
Woods
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| User: "WH" |
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13 Sep 2003 04:48:15 AM |
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"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:bjuhl70174l@enews3.newsguy.com...
This is a prime example of why I am no longer impressed by the average
yo-yo
with a PhD, Master's Degree, etc. It means nothing these days.
Ed Cregger
Well that I respect! Why don't you have an opinion instead of just being
led?
WH
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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13 Sep 2003 07:51:24 AM |
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In article <bjuhl70174l@enews3.newsguy.com>, "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a prime example of why I am no longer impressed by the average yo-yo
with a PhD, Master's Degree, etc. It means nothing these days.
Um .... the assumption was that the "degree" was bogus, a la turi.
Woods
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| User: "Ed Cregger" |
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13 Sep 2003 09:03:04 AM |
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Unfortunately, I have seen many that were not bogus, but where the recipient
was not of the caliber that deserved such a degree.
Funny, I used to hear the same lament from adults about the time that I
graduated from high school. Some things never change.
Ed Cregger
"Woodswun" <woodswun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gpE8b.60094$yG2.15566@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
In article <bjuhl70174l@enews3.newsguy.com>, "Ed Cregger"
<ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is a prime example of why I am no longer impressed by the average
yo-yo
with a PhD, Master's Degree, etc. It means nothing these days.
Um .... the assumption was that the "degree" was bogus, a la turi.
Woods
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| User: "WH" |
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13 Sep 2003 09:34:06 AM |
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"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:bjv82b01lm0@enews2.newsguy.com...
Unfortunately, I have seen many that were not bogus, but where the
recipient
was not of the caliber that deserved such a degree.
Funny, I used to hear the same lament from adults about the time that I
graduated from high school. Some things never change.
Ed Cregger
What...you graduated from high school? Big deal...but that was the end
wasn't it?
WH
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| User: "Ed Cregger" |
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13 Sep 2003 08:42:12 PM |
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A person that attacks another person on the internet is admitting that they
are outclassed and no longer have hope of being able to argue on an
intellectually even keel.
Buzz off, lightweight.
Ed Cregger
"WH" <bollogs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bjv9vi$59k$1@green.tninet.se...
"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:bjv82b01lm0@enews2.newsguy.com...
Unfortunately, I have seen many that were not bogus, but where the
recipient
was not of the caliber that deserved such a degree.
Funny, I used to hear the same lament from adults about the time that I
graduated from high school. Some things never change.
Ed Cregger
What...you graduated from high school? Big deal...but that was the end
wasn't it?
WH
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| User: "WH" |
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14 Sep 2003 06:04:38 AM |
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"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:bk0h2k02ct3@enews1.newsguy.com...
A person that attacks another person on the internet is admitting that
they
are outclassed and no longer have hope of being able to argue on an
intellectually even keel.
Buzz off, lightweight.
Ed Cregger
You've been here before cregger, then you proved that you're an idiot. I've
no reason to think otherwise today!
WH
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