As for sticking up for people...I stick up for muslim women because they
(in
many cases) cannot stick up for themselves.

Jane"

"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:06:58 -0500, "Jane" <

"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:36:36 -0500, "Jane" <

Hopefully, everyone will tire of this nonsense soon! I'm going to

try

to

ignore it. You should, too. We'll all be checking the headers,

now.

Jane

But you do know that this place would be in an uproar had I done the

same

to

Dani, right?

But little miss innocent can do no wrong in the eyes of 90% of the

people

in

this group, hell, she's even insulted some of them and they love it.

Tony

True enough.

No it's not true. They know me and they know I was joking around.
They know I wasn't insulting them.

I wouldn't let it bother you, though. Who cares what other
people think? I can't understand why anyone would wish to emulate
Grantland. he is lower than a >>>>>snake.

Ahhh.. look who you're talking to, Jane. The lowest possible "snake"
to have ever posted to this group. Do you realize that the vast
majority of regulars here have kill-filed Tony? Including people that
you respect like Woods, Suzanne and Marvin. Does that not tell you
something about the type of filth we're dealing with here?

So?

The point is majority is ruling here.

Majority ruling??? This is an "alt" >newsgroup! No one "rules"!

I'm trying to get you to see

Tony for the filth he is. If people you like and respect have come
to the point of actually kill-filing him, and the vast (vast) majority
of this group can see him for what he is (he even lost his one friend
that he had left - Dee!) I can only assume that you're choosing not
to see it because he's on your political >>"side" - a conservative, also.

There are only a couple of us; we need to >stick together :)! Seriously,
though, I can respect people and still >disagree with them.

He recently started a new thread about "whores" - well, this guy was

Well, I don't have the time or the >know-how to follow the trails. i just
have to go by what I read here.

I have no one kill-filed.

So?

Not even Grantland.

So?

And I have never been
one to "follow the crowd".

That's good.. a positive attribute. >>What's stopping you now then?
It's seems you're completely blind to >>Tony because of your politics.
I'd say that's following the crowd.

I already said I don't agree with everything >Tony says, as I am sure he
doesn't always agree with me. Doesn't >mean I have to fight with him!

Do you see an apn revolt against >>>>Grantland?

Again, so?

Again, the point. I asked you in my previous post if you could see
the difference in their (Tony and >>Grantland's) personalities.

Grantland can be shocking and outlandish to people who don't quite
understand him - but he's harmless; and really is, believe it or not,
good deep down.

Haven't seen any evidence of that >>>since I've been here!

How long have you been here?

A couple years.

I have said
here before that I definitely do not agree with everything Tony
says...however, he has (thus far) >>>treated me with respect.

Disagree with him *once* - have an >>opposing opinion *once*
tell him that you're pro-choice; tell him that you believe
homosexuality isn't something that one "chooses" - stick up for your
good friend Suzanne or Woods against his attacks on them...you'll see
a brand new Tony.

I have already stated that I believe homosexual feelings are not a
choice...the choice is in acting on them. >I also said I am okay with
abortion in the first trimester only. Tony, >I'm sure, knows my views by now.

As for sticking up for people...I stick up >for muslim women because they (in
many cases) cannot stick up for >themselves. You guys are fully capable >of

Grantland would never do either of >>>those things.. to anyone. Grantland
is a prankster and a jokester; but he >>>has heart.
Of stone, maybe!

You've got the wrong guy, Jane.

He's obviously a pro-apartheid Neo-Nazi. >No one I'd want to spend time with.

I don't recall him putting vile words in >>your mouth. In the "Jane"
post to Jean, he said "Are you a Jew >>perhaps?" - then the Colin Powell
bit about his lips and hair .. but I didn't >>see any vile words.

Not vile words as such, but vile >comments about Jews and blacks. >Things I

"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Dani" <dani7200@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:36:36 -0500, "Jane" <

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"Jane"

wrote:

Hopefully, everyone will tire of this nonsense soon! I'm going to

try

to

ignore it. You should, too. We'll all be checking the headers,

now.

Jane

But you do know that this place would be in an uproar had I done the

same

to

Dani, right?

But little miss innocent can do no wrong in the eyes of 90% of the

people

in

this group, hell, she's even insulted some of them and they love it.

Tony

True enough.

No it's not true. They know me and they know I was joking around.
They know I wasn't insulting them.

I wouldn't let it bother you, though. Who cares what other
people think? I can't understand why anyone would wish to emulate
Grantland. he is lower than a snake.

Ahhh.. look who you're talking to, Jane. The lowest possible "snake"
to have ever posted to this group. Do you realize that the vast
majority of regulars here have kill-filed Tony? Including people that
you respect like Woods, Suzanne and Marvin. Does that not tell you
something about the type of filth we're dealing with here?

So?

The point is majority is ruling here.

Majority ruling??? This is an "alt" newsgroup! No one "rules"!

I'm trying to get you to see

Tony for the filth he is. If people you like and respect have come
to the point of actually kill-filing him, and the vast (vast) majority
of this group can see him for what he is (he even lost his one friend
that he had left - Dee!) I can only assume that you're choosing not
to see it because he's on your political "side" - a conservative,
also.

There are only a couple of us; we need to stick together :)!
Seriously,
though, I can respect people and still disagree with them.

Although that's just a big act.. he's most certainly *not* the

goody-two-shoes he tries to portray himself as here.
He recently started a new thread about "whores" - well, this guy was
found on alt.pantyhose advertising the length (and width) of his penis
(or in his words: "A LARGE *****") looking for women with pantyhose or
"stockings" to give him a blow-job. He was also found advertising
himself as an "Italian Stallion" male escort (he's married btw)
willing to "please women at a reasonable price." - doesn't sound too
much like our Tone here, does it? Not to mention his other side
occupation - trying to sell oxcycontin!

The different lives of TonyZ.. maybe he could've pulled it off if he
had more than two viable braincells. But he left trails all over the
place.

Well, I don't have the time or the know-how to follow the trails. i just
have to go by what I read here.

I have no one kill-filed.

So?

Not even Grantland.

So?

And I have never been
one to "follow the crowd".

That's good.. a positive attribute. What's stopping you now then?
It's seems you're completely blind to Tony because of your politics.
I'd say that's following the crowd.

I already said I don't agree with everything Tony says, as I am sure he
doesn't always agree with me. Doesn't mean I have to fight with him!

Do you see an apn revolt against Grantland?

Again, so?

Again, the point. I asked you in my previous post if you could see
the difference in their (Tony and Grantland's) personalities.

Grantland can be shocking and outlandish to people who don't quite
understand him - but he's harmless; and really is, believe it or not,
good deep down.

Haven't seen any evidence of that since I've been here!

Yes, well I have the keen sense of a dog I guess - can always spot the
good from the bad .. ;)

Hmmmm...can't comment on that.

Tony is a heartless, soulless ***** who used to

taunt Amy about her husband's *Cancer* - who has taunted me about my
*depression* ..

That was before my time, I'm afraid, so I can't comment on it.

How long have you been here?

A couple years.

I have said
here before that I definitely do not agree with everything Tony
says...however, he has (thus far) treated me with respect.

Disagree with him *once* - have an opposing opinion *once*
tell him that you're pro-choice; tell him that you believe
homosexuality isn't something that one "chooses" - stick up for your
good friend Suzanne or Woods against his attacks on them...you'll see
a brand new Tony.

I have already stated that I believe homosexual feelings are not a
choice...the choice is in acting on them.

I also said I am okay with
abortion in the first trimester only. Tony, I'm sure, knows my views by
now.

As for sticking up for people...I stick up for muslim women because they (in
many cases) cannot stick up for themselves. You guys are fully capable of
defending yourselves. You don't need me.

Grantland has
not.

Yeah well I got much worse treatment from him back in 2001 ;)
'Thought he was retarded (honestly, that's not an insult towards
retarded people - I legitamitely thought he was! Or a 10 year old
playing on his parents' computer.) No word of a lie. He told me he
was the boogie-man, Jane.. LOL!
..But as time went by I saw different in him. It started with his
poems; I didn't think he wrote them at first.. but he did. I couldn't
(at first) understand how the Grantland in the *posts* could be the
same Grantland in the *poems* - ah, but that's just me maybe. Too
inquisitive for my own good. Then he actually stuck up for me during
some of the old flame wars here which double blew my mind.
But I digress. Maybe you'll see for yourself someday if you care to
look.

Grantland would never do either of those things.. to

anyone. Grantland is a prankster and a jokester; but he has heart.

Of stone, maybe!

You've got the wrong guy, Jane.

He's obviously a pro-apartheid Neo-Nazi. No one I'd want to spend time
with.

Tony does not have heart.

I hope you can see the difference between these two types
of personalities.

(I must admit I got a charge out of Susan's "BS Brown" haircolour when

she

was impersonating Daylight...wouldn't want to encourage anyone,

though!)

Uh-Ah.. nope. You can't pick and choose which is acceptable when
they're virtually the same thing just because you like Susan and
dislike Grantland.

Nope...I can and I did! Susan's was humorous.

..some may think Grantland's was humorous. See what I'm saying now?
Either it's wrong across the board or not. If we pick and choose
which is acceptable and which isn't based on who we "like" - then we
could potentially have everyone on this group doing it based on their
own personal interpretations.

Okay, it's wrong, then. Across the board.

(Not that I particularly
approve of anyone doing that, although with Susan and yourself, it was
obvious.)

Grantland's was patently obvious to me. I knew it was him straight
away; didn't even need to check the headers. It may have been obvious
to others that it was him also.

Grantland's first post as "Jane" fooled Jean, to whom it was
directed). Grantland had "Jane" disparaging both Jews and blacks, which

I

would never do.

And Suzanne's had Daylight having sex with a camel! Daylight turns my
stomach; I've honest to God gotten nauseous from some of his posts
(the one about the American soldier never seeing his newborn baby son
in particular) I thought Suzanne's post was funny too. But we're
talking about whether it's right or wrong across the board - not our
personal feelings about the poster and the one who is being
impersonated.

If he wants to argue my viewpoints using the revolting
language that he is so enamored of, he is welcome to. To put vile words

in

my mouth is another story.

I don't recall him putting vile words in your mouth. In the "Jane"
post to Jean, he said "Are you a Jew perhaps?" - then the Colin Powell
bit about his lips and hair .. but I didn't see any vile words.

Not vile words as such, but vile comments about Jews and blacks. Things I
wouldn't say.

He's done that to me in the past before also (posted as Dani) - I got
mad at first - then I just replied back to him as Grantland .. ;)
No biggie.

Either it's wrong or it's not.

IMHO, it is wrong.

Alright so it's wrong for all of us then. No exceptions.

Dani