Before anyone decides to match up their Nostradamus
postecies to current events...
If what we read in the news is so accurate, NAFTA was
such a great idea because Mexicans can't snatch up
American products fast enough, AND American workers
have to accept as little or less pay as Mexicans if they're
going to compete in the economy and keep their jobs.
There really is an invisible "Media Study" which concluded
that Al Gore would have won the election if he had requested
a re-count of all of Florida, instead of just the tens of
thousands of uncounted ballots from heavily Democratic
precincts.
Irish people living in Ireland & fighting to make their part
of Ireland ruled by the Irish -- against people who would
be insulted if you called them Irish -- is a "Religious war."
The Iraq war ended on May 1, 2003. Bush never said that.
Saddam was supporting Al Qaida terrorist inside Iraq who
were fighting to overthrow him. Bush lied and these Al
Qaida linked groups are supported by Iran. There's no
evidence that these groups exist. It's all Bush trying to
pick a fight with Iran.
The CIA screwed up when the administration forced them
to include all that bogus intel into their briefs. If the Whitehouse
hadn't forced the CIA to mislead them the way they did, Bush
would never have chosen his course of action.
Bush craves war with Iran. This is why he poisoned the idea
of war with Iran, taking all of the evidence against Iran and
applying it to Iraq.
Bush wants nothing more than his legacy being a nuclear
strike against north Korea. He wants to be remembered as
the man who started a nuclear war.
Russia would rather be poor than see a radical Islamic state
which endorses terrorism against Russians be attacked by
business partners.
China is our friend.
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14 Mar 2007 05:15:17 PM |
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Iran-Contra was illegal when it did happen.
And it happened.
It was illegal for Reagan to fund the contras, and it
was unconstitutional for Reagan to appropriate funds.
Bush violated the constitution in a similar fashion
in 2002, when he took money appropriated for
Afghanistan and spent it on the build up to the Iraq
invasion.
They had to hide it from Congress.
Both sides had to hide it. Both sides.
You derive from this there is some sort of working
relationship between the US government and Iran ?
There was a working relationship. High level negotiations
plus an on-going working relationship. And it didn't
begin & end with arming Iran during their war with Iraq.
The Reagan-era mythology has it that Iran was who the
Reagan administration appealed to for help when William
Buckley was kidnapped.
That was TWO YEARS before the Iran-Contra scandal broke.
But there were also events both before & after. There's
Bush poisoning the case against Iran today, and Iran's
getting Reagan elected by holding onto the Hostages until
after the election.
Your reasoning is messed up JTEM.
Your grasp of the fact as well as your ability to look
beyond newsspeak is destroyed.
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14 Mar 2007 07:06:26 PM |
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On Mar 14, 10:15?pm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Your grasp of the fact as well as your ability to look beyond
newsspeak is destroyed."
Your grasp of a question as well as your ability to answer it, hasn't
been destroyed..No, it simply doesn't exist.
Randy asked you about your cozy chats with Nostradamus.
Werewolfy
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14 Mar 2007 08:27:36 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Your grasp of a question as well as your ability to
answer it, hasn't been destroyed..No, it simply
doesn't exist.
Little girl, every time you've started in on me in the
past you ended up making a fool of yourself... in a
number of groups!
What is it with psychos like you? You really think it's
going to be different this time? Nursy been telling you
lies again?
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14 Mar 2007 09:15:33 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> Spat the
Words
"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Your grasp of a question as well as your ability to
answer it, hasn't been destroyed..No, it simply
doesn't exist.
Little girl, every time you've started in on me in the
past you ended up making a fool of yourself... in a
number of groups!
What is it with psychos like you? You really think it's
going to be different this time? Nursy been telling you
lies again?
... and your discussions with a dead man from 6 centuries ago ?
Tell us more about those. Then I'll tell you why your skewed
angle on current events borders on the unbelievable.
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14 Mar 2007 10:28:13 PM |
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
.. and your
Oh, I'm sorry, but what newsgroup where you thinking this
is?
What the hell are you doing here? Seriously. What the hell
are you doing here?
discussions with a dead man from 6 centuries ago ?
Tell us more about those. Then I'll tell you why your skewed
angle on curre, Int events borders on the unbelievable.
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15 Mar 2007 07:16:23 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> Spat the
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
.. and your
Oh, I'm sorry, but what newsgroup where you thinking this
is?
What the hell are you doing here? Seriously. What the hell
are you doing here?
You don't answer a question with a question.. didn't your
mother ever teach you that ?
The question was, how was your latest 'conversation' with the
long dead Nostradamus ? You do claim to 'channel' with
Nostradamus himself. It's a simple question.
discussions with a dead man from 6 centuries ago ?
Tell us more about those. Then I'll tell you why your skewed
angle on curre, Int events borders on the unbelievable.
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15 Mar 2007 07:24:15 PM |
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
You don't answer a question with a question..
Then I'll answer the question, though you won't
like it.
Yes, you did cowardly flee from the topic under
discussion. In fact, you continue to labor in
your efforts to CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
What is it with you, not man enough to admit that
you're wrong?
Or did your ego cause you to believe you need only
re-state your inaccurate opinion and everyone will
agree with you? Because no matter how many times
you repeat it, it still doesn't take all the facts
into account.
Do you recall those facts you're dodging right now?
Like the Iranians doing EXACTLY what the GOP wanted
them to do in 1980. Like the Reagan administration
itself claiming they turned to Iran in 1984 after
Buckley was kidnapped. Like the arming of Iran during
the Iran-Iraq war that came to light thanks to the
Iran/Contra scandal. Like Bush poisoning the case for
war against Iran.
THAT is what you're desperately trying to avoid.
didn't your
mother ever teach you that ?
The question was, how was your latest 'conversation' with the
long dead Nostradamus ? You do claim to 'channel' with
Nostradamus himself. It's a simple question.
discussions with a dead man from 6 centuries ago ?
Tell us more about those. Then I'll tell you why your skewed
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15 Mar 2007 08:26:09 PM |
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On Mar 16, 12:24?am, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
THAT is what you're desperately trying to avoid.
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Something tells me he doesn't want to answer the question Randy.
Notice how he so often reverses what a poster says, and claims the
very fault of which he is guilty as being the other person's?
Werewolfy
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15 Mar 2007 10:52:56 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Something tells me
Voices in your head? Wow, maybe some of the personalities
are competing. Ask nursy to up your meds.
There's a good boy....
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16 Mar 2007 02:11:28 AM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "Werewolfy" <Werewolfy1
@yahoo.co.uk> Spat the Words
On Mar 16, 12:24?am, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
THAT is what you're desperately trying to avoid.
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Something tells me he doesn't want to answer the question Randy.
Notice how he so often reverses what a poster says, and claims the
very fault of which he is guilty as being the other person's?
Werewolfy
JTEM's position doesn't have much substance. Does the US government
sometimes communicate with the Iranian government ? Yes. Did US
officials covertly cut backroom deals with the Iranians in the
1980s ? Yes. Does possibility still exist today for US officials
to cut deals with the Iranian government ? Yes, as long as the
shooting doesn't start.
Are republican elite secretly in bed with the Iranian elite
as JTEM suggests ? Not a chance. They despise each other.
Bush and company are examining all options for preventing
the Iranians from getting atomic weapons, including the
very real possibility of military strikes.
Am I willing to seriously talk current events with a guy
who claims to talk to dead people ? No. JTEM appears to
have some knowledge of current events, but that channeling
stuff puts him in the category of 'kook'.
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16 Mar 2007 03:46:26 AM |
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
JTEM's position doesn't have much substance.
Sing it, brother!
Does the US government sometimes communicate with
the Iranian government ?
Communicate? *****! It takes a lot more than just
communicating to arm Iran -- with a military armed
with U.S. equipment -- in their desperate war
against Iraq.
"Shipping" is an entire industry alone, last I heard.
Getting what the customer wants, and then getting it
to where the customer wants it is complicated enough
to justify numerous competing companies -- everything
from fulfillment to actual delivery.
AND this wasn't the first, nor the last, piece of
evidence we've got. The first piece goes all the way
back to 1980, with Americans held hostage in Iran.
The next piece was four years later, when Buckley
was kidnapped and (according to the Reagan adminsitration)
they appealed to the Iranians for help. According to
that same story, the Iranians agreed!
During the 1990s, sanctions in place, ***** Cheney is
doing business with Iran (as well as Iraq). And now
Bush has poisoned the case for war against Iran.
When Bush first started beating the war drums against
Iraq, numerous people -- including Bob Graham -- pointed
out that Iraq was no threat, but north Korea & Iran
were!
And now, well, now NOBODY believes that Iran is a
sincere threat, though they are more so today then
they ever have been before.
Bush. POISONED. The. Case. For. War.
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16 Mar 2007 05:23:16 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
JTEM's position doesn't have much substance.
Sing it, brother!
Does the US government sometimes communicate with
the Iranian government ?
Communicate? *****! It takes a lot more than just
communicating to arm Iran -- with a military armed
with U.S. equipment -- in their desperate war
against Iraq.
"Shipping" is an entire industry alone, last I heard.
Getting what the customer wants, and then getting it
to where the customer wants it is complicated enough
to justify numerous competing companies -- everything
from fulfillment to actual delivery.
AND this wasn't the first, nor the last, piece of
evidence we've got. The first piece goes all the way
back to 1980, with Americans held hostage in Iran.
The next piece was four years later, when Buckley
was kidnapped and (according to the Reagan adminsitration)
they appealed to the Iranians for help. According to
that same story, the Iranians agreed!
During the 1990s, sanctions in place, ***** Cheney is
doing business with Iran (as well as Iraq). And now
Bush has poisoned the case for war against Iran.
When Bush first started beating the war drums against
Iraq, numerous people -- including Bob Graham -- pointed
out that Iraq was no threat, but north Korea & Iran
were!
And now, well, now NOBODY believes that Iran is a
sincere threat, though they are more so today then
they ever have been before.
Bush. POISONED. The. Case. For. War.
Let me try a bit of existentialism on your frontal lobe...what's left of
it.
There are folks who claim that ghosts are the dead walking the earth in
ethereal form.
There are folks who claim to have ESP, telekinesis, clairvoyance.
There are folks who claim UFOs are extraterrestrial or interdimensional
vehicles.
There are folks who claim the Illuminati secretly controls much of the
world.
There are folks who claim the sasquatch is a man-ape hybrid.
There are folks who claim angels and demons exist in reality.
Now, for a moment, let's assume they're right about these claims and many
similar ones.
Knowing all of this for a fact today doesn't necessarily change the
fallibility of human beings, their extremely difficult interrelationships,
nor their propensity for domination, violence, greed, self-centeredness,
deception, and so forth.
If you have 'illumination' on all the shadowy mysteries of the world, and
believe that such knowledge will improve humankind in some way, you may be
right. Humanity could benefit from at least some of this new knowledge.
Possessing esoteric knowledge one cannot prove as reality and using it as
a argumentative hammer on others, stating it to be a truth they are
unaware of, is a furtherance of the self-centeredness and egotistical
nature of the species.
If you think that what you know will change the species for the better, it
is not productive to merely state it, or claim it. You must prove it and
apply it.
So, how then, can your knowledge of the secret workings of elitists
benefit anyone when you cannot convincingly prove what you claim?
Without verification, your claim of knowledge exists as only bits of facts
to be arranged subjectively to prove your point of view -- NOT prove the
reality of what you claim.
And since your modus operandi here is to deride certain individuals while
elevating the importance of your ideas and perpective as 'truth,' all that
you've accomplished is to egotistically elevate yourself momentarily.
How might your ego become a model for a better world, a better species? If
all the special knowledge and insight you profess to have doesn't change
humanity's behavior, then what good is it? For you, it may be good, but
altruistically, it is not for the rest of humanity. It is only a mere
irritation, an arguable point, a momentary entertainment.
Docrodile
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17 Mar 2007 12:27:26 AM |
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"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
If you have 'illumination' on all the shadowy mysteries
of the world, and believe that such knowledge will
improve humankind in some way, you may be right.
Humanity could benefit from at least some of this new
knowledge.
Let me try this again.
YOU say that we can't trust what the politicians tell us.
This would require you to...
A) Seek an alternative means for establishing intent.
B) Throw up your hands, surrender to the unknown and
just decide to think (and talk) about something else.
C) Cling to what you yourself denounce because it's all
you've got.
The people here have chosen 'C'.
I am suggesting -- even presenting an example of -- 'A'.
This 'A' would amount to ignoring everything Bush (and
other politicians) tell you, and concentrating on what
they do.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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18 Mar 2007 07:45:27 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> Spat
the Words
"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
If you have 'illumination' on all the shadowy mysteries
of the world, and believe that such knowledge will
improve humankind in some way, you may be right.
Humanity could benefit from at least some of this new
knowledge.
Let me try this again.
YOU say that we can't trust what the politicians tell us.
This would require you to...
A) Seek an alternative means for establishing intent.
B) Throw up your hands, surrender to the unknown and
just decide to think (and talk) about something else.
C) Cling to what you yourself denounce because it's all
you've got.
The people here have chosen 'C'.
Actually, there is always 'D'.. Read between the lines,
extrapolate from our life experiences, and determine the
only possible explanation. 'D' would be outside of your
realm of possibility JTEM since you have no life experiences
based in reality. You never believed what anyone ever told
you, correct ?
I am suggesting -- even presenting an example of -- 'A'.
This 'A' would amount to ignoring everything Bush (and
other politicians) tell you, and concentrating on what
they do.
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16 Mar 2007 03:33:29 PM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
JTEM's position doesn't have much substance.
Sing it, brother!
Does the US government sometimes communicate with
the Iranian government ?
Communicate? *****! It takes a lot more than just
communicating to arm Iran -- with a military armed
with U.S. equipment -- in their desperate war
against Iraq.
"Shipping" is an entire industry alone, last I heard.
Getting what the customer wants, and then getting it
to where the customer wants it is complicated enough
to justify numerous competing companies -- everything
from fulfillment to actual delivery.
AND this wasn't the first, nor the last, piece of
evidence we've got. The first piece goes all the way
back to 1980, with Americans held hostage in Iran.
The next piece was four years later, when Buckley
was kidnapped and (according to the Reagan adminsitration)
they appealed to the Iranians for help. According to
that same story, the Iranians agreed!
During the 1990s, sanctions in place, ***** Cheney is
doing business with Iran (as well as Iraq). And now
Bush has poisoned the case for war against Iran.
When Bush first started beating the war drums against
Iraq, numerous people -- including Bob Graham -- pointed
out that Iraq was no threat, but north Korea & Iran
were!
And now, well, now NOBODY believes that Iran is a
sincere threat, though they are more so today then
they ever have been before.
Bush. POISONED. The. Case. For. War.
Man, do you love that lil' phrase! You've poisoned the case for sane
discourse and sensible debate here.
What. Do. You. Think. Of. That. Assertion?
Fruit Pebbles, let us know what you think. We're all eagar to hear it.
You lil' honey bear...
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17 Mar 2007 12:28:35 AM |
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"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
You've poisoned the case for sane discourse and
sensible debate here.
There's nothing "sane" in clinging to the very information
you denounce.
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17 Mar 2007 01:27:13 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
You've poisoned the case for sane discourse and
sensible debate here.
There's nothing "sane" in clinging to the very information
you denounce.
Precisely. And that's why you shouldn't. LOL! Bits of info subjectively
arranged to satisfy your worldview isn't necessarily the reality or truth.
It is your truth or reality, but not necessarily someone else's. You
denounce others' sources of information, or the conclusions drawn, while
extolling your particular sources and/or conclusions as more accurate or
trustworthy. All information either has to be trusted at face value or, if
not, verified by independent research (corroboration), or partially or
summarily rejected. Which have you done? Conclusions drawn on others'
versions of reality, and/or their gathering of purported facts, can easily
be overdrawn or entirely erroneous. In short, your worldview may be as
skewed as those you accuse.
Your information comes from net sources that are the same as the ones the
rest of us access, or can access, in bewildering variety and staggering
detail, and much of it is, when aggregated into conclusions, whether
preliminary or seemingly complete, can simply be someone else's subjective
rearranging of data to sell their version of events, of reality. You start
with a favored assumption as we all do, and then set out to affirm it.
It's simple psychology. If you buy their facts and/or conclusions relying
on trusting their information/conclusions, you may be placing yourself
into manipulative hands. If you don't have the intelligence or sensible
discernment, or you're just plain psychotic and can't think well, you may
be very susceptible to this manipulation of facts, with conclusions drawn
from them.
Why can't you see that? Well...in order to see that, you'd have to admit
you're in the proverbial 'same boat' as the rest of us. And that doesn't
sit well with an ego that elevates itself above all others.
Fruit Pebbles !!
Docrodile
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17 Mar 2007 01:50:56 AM |
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"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Bits of info subjectively arranged to satisfy your
worldview isn't necessarily the reality or truth.
Not necessarily. On the other hand, the collective
has determined that their current means of gathering
information is definitely not reality, not the truth.
Behavior isn't a 100% accurate measure of intent. Sometimes
things don't work out the way we plan, sometime we just
don't foresee a result. But even if behavior is only 80%
accurate... or 70%... or 60%... it still beats your 0%.
If you weren't a psycho you'd admit this. Why don't you
have one of your other personalities admit it. That way
you can have it both ways... maybe even spend a few
months arguing with yourself.
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17 Mar 2007 04:12:06 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Bits of info subjectively arranged to satisfy your
worldview isn't necessarily the reality or truth.
Not necessarily. On the other hand, the collective
has determined that their current means of gathering
information is definitely not reality, not the truth.
Behavior isn't a 100% accurate measure of intent. Sometimes
things don't work out the way we plan, sometime we just
don't foresee a result. But even if behavior is only 80%
accurate... or 70%... or 60%... it still beats your 0%.
And can you prove my version of reality, demonstrated by human behavioural
traits, scores *0*? If not, I have no other convenient, comforting
alternative but to accept my own version of reality, which I believe
scores very high on the scale of reality, and any set of facts to support
it, and not any of your's which contradict it.
Of course, you may do the same, conversely.
If you weren't a psycho you'd admit this. Why don't you
have one of your other personalities admit it.
I will do just that ONLY if you stabilize the one persona you have here,
be consistent, don't convolute the debate or discussion, stop dodging and
obfuscating, resorting to hyperbole, etc. If you can do that, I will call
up one of my more intellectual personalities to argue endlessly with you.
If not, I feel you don't deserve the extra effort. You must show good
faith with your one persona in order that I match it with one of mine.
That way
you can have it both ways... maybe even spend a few
months arguing with yourself.
Oh no, I'd rather argue with a mastermind of facts and theories, an
insightful man like yourself, who knows so many arcane things, and exposes
them in brilliant light for us to see so clearly what was hidden in the
shadows.
I have so much to learn from you. But, as I said, you must stabilize your
persona for the discourse to begin!
Docrodile
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17 Mar 2007 05:13:50 PM |
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"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Oh no, I'd rather argue with a mastermind of facts and
theories, an insightful man like yourself,
In that sense, you already are having it both ways. Because
you're also arguing against yourself and your own observations.
You don't believe what the government tells you, and you
know for a fact that the media regularly reports *****
which would have taken hardly any effort to debunk.
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17 Mar 2007 09:11:52 PM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Docrodile" <swampyth...@hellsbayou.net> wrote:
Oh no, I'd rather argue with a mastermind of facts and
theories, an insightful man like yourself,
In that sense, you already are having it both ways. Because
you're also arguing against yourself and your own observations.
Assumptions are not necessarily reality. You have made an erroneous
assumption. But, if you are correct in that assumption, let's say, then
you argue with a person you know to be arguing against himself...which
makes you an idiot for engaging him at any level of debate. Why not let
him be? =)
You don't believe what the government tells you, and you
know for a fact that the media regularly reports *****
which would have taken hardly any effort to debunk.
You're right, I don't believe what the government tells me, and I don't
necessarily believe, on the surface or below, the so-called facts and
conclusions that originate from the many other sources. If I were to
gather up support for my subjective viewpoint, though, then I would
cherry-pick certain bits of data and conclusions -- as you do, and
everyone does. Get real. The only way to KNOW that the information you
trust to be fact is to trust the veracity of the source, or do your own
OBJECTIVE investigation to verify the info. Can you be objective, will
you verify, or do you simply trust? Since time and time again, facts can
be arranged in such a convenient manner as to detract from the contextual
frame they're in, thereby producing a false impression from the "facts" or
conclusions presented. That is, in essence, how each individual creates a
paradigm of reality for themselves. Whether it is someone else's reality,
is the issue. Will they accept your's or someone else's? Sometimes. If
reality is so subjective, and facts can be exploited for that
subjectivity, then how accurate or true can the conclusions be?
That is why so many argue each others' 'reality' paradigm every day,
usually positing that their particular version is more true or accurate
than the others'. We start with a theory, an idea, a concept, a hunch ...
and we systematically, or chaotically, seek to affirm what we want to
believe. It is important that we feel we know the truth about mysteries in
life that disturb our sense of order or purpose, either individually or
collectively as a species. It is important because it is essential for our
survival, our happiness, our sense of worthiness. It is essentially food
for our ego's appetite. The problem comes when we mistake our ego's need
for reaffirmation of our perspective on reality for the actual reality we
live in -- which I believe not one person can be so certain of, without
some doubt. The doubt feeds our debates! And our conflicts!
Docrodile
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
16 Mar 2007 04:27:09 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> Spat
the Words
Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
JTEM's position doesn't have much substance.
Sing it, brother!
Does the US government sometimes communicate with
the Iranian government ?
Communicate? *****! It takes a lot more than just
communicating to arm Iran -- with a military armed
with U.S. equipment -- in their desperate war
against Iraq.
"Shipping" is an entire industry alone, last I heard.
Getting what the customer wants, and then getting it
to where the customer wants it is complicated enough
to justify numerous competing companies -- everything
from fulfillment to actual delivery.
AND this wasn't the first, nor the last, piece of
evidence we've got. The first piece goes all the way
back to 1980, with Americans held hostage in Iran.
The next piece was four years later, when Buckley
was kidnapped and (according to the Reagan adminsitration)
they appealed to the Iranians for help. According to
that same story, the Iranians agreed!
During the 1990s, sanctions in place, ***** Cheney is
doing business with Iran (as well as Iraq). And now
Bush has poisoned the case for war against Iran.
When Bush first started beating the war drums against
Iraq, numerous people -- including Bob Graham -- pointed
out that Iraq was no threat, but north Korea & Iran
were!
And now, well, now NOBODY believes that Iran is a
sincere threat, though they are more so today then
they ever have been before.
Bush. POISONED. The. Case. For. War.
So in other words, you forgot to take your medicine last
night, they left your cage door unlocked, you wandered
the streets channeling with Nostradamus whispering in
your ear, then you fell and got <another> head trauma
concussion, yes ?
This is what you just said, yes ?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
17 Mar 2007 12:32:37 AM |
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
So in other words,
I'm really at a loss here. I have no idea why anyone
would place such an emotional investment into believing
what they themselves know is not true.
You know that Bush is a liar. You know he's lied about
pretty much everything. And not just the war, Iran or
north Korea, but pretty much EVERYTHING. Even the
littlest things. Like how they invented the Clinton
administration vandalizing the Whitehouse before leaving.
And how they pretended that a British Air jet saw
Airforce-One on its way to Iraq. There's nothing so small,
or big, that they have failed to lie about it.
And yet you base your world view on what you're told....
SHEESH!
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| User: "Perseid" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
18 Mar 2007 07:25:51 PM |
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After Much Chewing of Cud and Cogitation, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> Spat the
Words
Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
So in other words,
I'm really at a loss here. I have no idea why anyone
would place such an emotional investment into believing
what they themselves know is not true.
Why do you do it then ?
You know that Bush is a liar. You know he's lied about
pretty much everything. And not just the war, Iran or
north Korea, but pretty much EVERYTHING. Even the
littlest things. Like how they invented the Clinton
administration vandalizing the Whitehouse before leaving.
And how they pretended that a British Air jet saw
Airforce-One on its way to Iraq. There's nothing so small,
or big, that they have failed to lie about it.
And yet you base your world view on what you're told....
This is how you went so terribly wrong, isn't it JTEM ?
You stopped believing ANYTHING people told you and
gradually cocooned yourself in a fantasy, a fabricated
reality. I am sorry for you.
SHEESH!
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
19 Mar 2007 12:32:33 AM |
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Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
I'm really at a loss here. I have no idea why anyone
would place such an emotional investment into believing
what they themselves know is not true.
Why do you do it then ?
No, seriously, how old are you?
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| User: "Wally Anglesea™" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
17 Mar 2007 06:40:03 AM |
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On 16 Mar 2007 22:32:37 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Perseid <eidp...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
So in other words,
I'm really at a loss here. I have no idea why anyone
would place such an emotional investment into believing
what they themselves know is not true.
Well,you continue to claim you speak to the departed spirit of
Nostradamus, so go figure......
--
"FOR I HAVE BECOME VENGEANCE AND YOU WILL FEEL THE WRATH"
"YOUR DOOM IS WRITTEN IN THE STARS...."
"THE DREADED NAME HAS BEEN REVEALED...YOUR DOOM IS NEAR..."
DM in meltdown mode, February 2003
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
15 Mar 2007 02:17:03 AM |
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On Mar 15, 3:28?am, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry, but what newsgroup where you thinking this
is? What the hell are you doing here? Seriously. What the hell
are you doing here?
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The troll remains a troll, no matter which way he wriggles.
How are the old 'donations' then JTEM? Feel like trying to fool a few
more people today? Have a nice laugh at their dreams? 'Channel' a Red
Indian Chief perhaps to obtain perverse satisfaction?
You never, never, never 'come off best'. All you can do is string
together meaningless jibes that come from your odd imagination.
Anything will suffice to divert a potential reader from the question
in hand.
But the fact remains. We want to know how is Nostradamus today? Was he
in good form last night as you sipped cocoa together? Do your
'admirers' still send you nice 'donations'?
I wonder why you bother with us here. Someone with such a link to the
mysteries of life would find a need for a wider audience than this.
But you will ignore the bits you dislike as usual. I'll try to
help...no need to thank me.
HOW IS NOSTRADAMUS TODAY? HOW ARE 'THE DONATIONS' COMING ALONG ?
There. Perhaps you might remember now?
Werewolfy
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
15 Mar 2007 01:03:18 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The troll remains a troll,
Speaking of which, you do remember what the subject of
this thread is, don't you? Yes, cripple, you do.
And, guess what? Did you guess? You're not on topic... again!
Hey, cripple, what do they call idiots like you? You know,
mental cases who leap from thread to thread, group to group,
avoiding on-topic posts like they do their meds?
HINT: Four letters. Starts with a 'T'.
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
15 Mar 2007 01:25:06 PM |
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On Mar 15, 6:03=EF=BF=BDpm, "JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
HINT: =A0Four letters. Starts with a 'T'.
How many fingers do you have? Four?
Werewolfy
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: What the crazies never tel you...this nutcase will ~! |
15 Mar 2007 01:36:49 PM |
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"Werewolfy" <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
How many fingers do you have? Four?
No, little retard. That was not ther topic of this thread.
What's the matter, you worthless troll? Did nursy insert
a catheter that was two big? No surprise there.
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