Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, "Eric Rodgers"
<rodgersericv@earthlink.net> scribbled:

Nostradamus didn't write any prophecies dated for 2004.

How the hell do you know?

Easy, I've studied the quatrains.

Maybe YOU should try that.

Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, "Eric Rodgers"
<rodgersericv@earthlink.net> scribbled:

Nostradamus didn't write any prophecies dated for 2004.

How the hell do you know?

Easy, I've studied the quatrains.

Maybe YOU should try that.

To reply by email, remove the XYZ.

Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.

It's your SIG, say what you want to say....

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:21:25 GMT, "Eric Rodgers"
<rodgersericv@earthlink.net> either wrote or (if so marked) quoted:

Nostradamus didn't write any prophecies dated for 2004.

How the hell do you know?

Presumably by scanning through the Prophecies and discovering that ...
there is no date '2004' in them! ;)

--
Peter

Leigh_Bee a écrit :

"Rino" <rinomailloux@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<Xfkcb.83820$dp6.1785537@weber.videotron.net>...

World War Three 2003 <worldwarthree2003@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message
: c6cdac60.0309231846.2ce271ef@posting.google.com...

What's in store for us in 2004 according to Nostradamus:

See: Q.6,54 and Q.9,78
I posted in this NG those two quatrains with the opening third Millennium
(2002)
They will happen in 2004 with a few more concerning the Spanish people.
Rino

-------------------------------------

Just looking at those rhymes well you seem to have to stretch them
some to get near to your proposal. Love to know your dating system.

CVIQ54. At daybreak at the second crowing of the *****, Those of Tunis,
of Fez and of Bougie, By the Arabs the King of Morocco captured, The
year sixteen hundred and seven, of the Liturgy.
LIV. Au point du jour au second chant du coq, Ceux de Tunes, de Fez,
et de Bugie, Par les Arabes, captif le Roy Maroq, L'an mil six cens et
sept, de Liturgie.
CVIQ 54. Nostradamus really stuck his neck out on this one. It is
quite clear and simple when taken at its face value. It bears out the
theory that Nostradamus foresaw the imminent fall of the Ottoman
Empire, at the hands of a new Charlemagne in Europe (Henry II) and in
Asia at the bands of new Persian and Arab empires. just how imminent
is seen by the date 1607. While elaborate theses have been evolved
regarding how many years to add on for the Liturgy, it is quite likely
that the word is merely used for scanning and rime, in much the same
way as Anno Domini, and is thus to be taken as 1607. Boswell (1941, p.
325) would add 355 to 374 (the dates when Auxentius, who developed the
Liturgy, was Bishop of Milan). Tunis was the great citadel of the
Barbarians, captured by the Spanish in 1535 and lost to the corsairs
again in 1570. Bougie, about four hundred miles west of Tunis along
the coast, was also a vital corsair base. Fez, however, was inland,
and the capital of the Moorish Kingdom of Fez. The Moors, however,
unlike their eastern neighbors, were never even nominally subject to
the Turks. But they had been conquered by the Arabs in the second half
of the 7th century, and this is to occur again, with their King
captured. (One such king did die in battle, against Sebastian of
Portugal at Kasr Al-Kabir [August 4, 1578].) A nice, clear failure.

Nope. Nostradamus did this one with perfect chronology as all the
quatrains. This is clearly based on Muslim liturgy. The only one where
he uses that. It is clear once one has to accept the possibility. We
shall see.

C9Q78. The Greek lady of ugly beauty 5, Made happy by countless
suitors: Transferred out to the Spanish realm, Taken captive to die a
miserable death.
5 of ugly beauty = or beauty of Lais
LXXVIII. La dame Grecque de beauté laydique 9, Heureuse faite de procs
10 innumerable, Hors translatée 11 en regne Hispanique, Captive prise
mourir mort miserable.
9 laydique = Latin Laidis of Lais beauty of Corinth or laid ugly
10 procs = Latin procus suitor
11 translatée = Latin translatus transferred
CIXQ 78. The most ingenious application that has been made for this
one, perhaps, is that in which the Greek lady is taken as Democracy.
Line 4 would apply to its death beginning in 1936 in Spain. Larmor
(1925, p. 157) applies it to Marie de' Medici because she was of
beauty "comparable to that of the Greek courtesan Lais." In 1631 she
went into exile to Brussels, indeed then a Spanish possession, but her
death in 1642 was at Cologne.
LB

If one considers that he speaks of the origin of the beauty, i.e. if one
puts commas, "la dame, "Grecque de beauté", semblable à celle de Laïs",
one can see he is referring the origin of Laïs, the famous Greek
courtesan who was born in Sicily. This quatrain is the follow up of the
preceding one, which concerns the interdiction of residence in France of
Mary of Medicis, and her fate, Mary of Medicis was born in Florence, and
it was recognized that she was of a notorious beauty (Rubens has
immortalized this characteristic in his painting of her coming to
Marseilles in 1600)... This one too is exactly about her fate.

J.

On 24 Sep 2003 15:53:03 -0700,

"Rino" <rinomailloux@videotron.ca> wrote in message

World War Three 2003 <worldwarthree2003@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le

: c6cdac60.0309231846.2ce271ef@posting.google.com...

What's in store for us in 2004 according to Nostradamus:

See: Q.6,54 and Q.9,78
I posted in this NG those two quatrains with the opening third

(2002)
They will happen in 2004 with a few more concerning the Spanish people.
Rino

-------------------------------------

Just looking at those rhymes well you seem to have to stretch them
some to get near to your proposal. Love to know your dating system.

CVIQ54. At daybreak at the second crowing of the *****, Those of Tunis,
of Fez and of Bougie, By the Arabs the King of Morocco captured, The
year sixteen hundred and seven, of the Liturgy.
LIV. Au point du jour au second chant du coq, Ceux de Tunes, de Fez,
et de Bugie, Par les Arabes, captif le Roy Maroq, L'an mil six cens et
sept, de Liturgie.
CVIQ 54. Nostradamus really stuck his neck out on this one. It is
quite clear and simple when taken at its face value. It bears out the
theory that Nostradamus foresaw the imminent fall of the Ottoman
Empire, at the hands of a new Charlemagne in Europe (Henry II) and in
Asia at the bands of new Persian and Arab empires. just how imminent
is seen by the date 1607. While elaborate theses have been evolved
regarding how many years to add on for the Liturgy, it is quite likely
that the word is merely used for scanning and rime, in much the same
way as Anno Domini, and is thus to be taken as 1607. Boswell (1941, p.
325) would add 355 to 374 (the dates when Auxentius, who developed the
Liturgy, was Bishop of Milan). Tunis was the great citadel of the
Barbarians, captured by the Spanish in 1535 and lost to the corsairs
again in 1570. Bougie, about four hundred miles west of Tunis along
the coast, was also a vital corsair base. Fez, however, was inland,
and the capital of the Moorish Kingdom of Fez. The Moors, however,
unlike their eastern neighbors, were never even nominally subject to
the Turks. But they had been conquered by the Arabs in the second half
of the 7th century, and this is to occur again, with their King
captured. (One such king did die in battle, against Sebastian of
Portugal at Kasr Al-Kabir [August 4, 1578].) A nice, clear failure.

VI.54. Original September 1557 text

Au poinct du jour au second chant du coq,
Ceulx de Tunes, de Fez, & de Bugie:
Par les Arabes captif le Roy Maroq,
L'an mil six cens & sept, de Liturgie.

Read as modern French:




de l'Ityrie [l'Ityrée, au Liban]/de l'ère chrétienne[?]

At daybreak, when the ***** shall call again,
From Tunis, Fez and Bougie they'll appear.
Morocco's King by Arabs shall be ta'en
From Lebanon, 1607 the year.

Source: Apparently the assassination of King Mohammed al-Mahdi by the
Pasha of Algiers in 1557, following raids by the Turks on Fez and
Bougie, simply projected (not for the first time!) fifty years into
the future and assimilated to the Mirabilis liber's dire predictions
of Arab invasion (see I.9, I.75).

On the other hand, St Ambrose's
Canon of the Mass, the core of the Roman Catholic liturgy, was
officially promulgated by the then Emperor Theodosius I in 392 AD,

which could possibly make this not merely an actual dated prediction
of marauders from the Middle East, but one for 1999 (392 + 1607),

when
King Hassan II of Morocco, while not actually being captured ... died!

C9Q78. The Greek lady of ugly beauty 5, Made happy by countless
suitors: Transferred out to the Spanish realm, Taken captive to die a
miserable death.
5 of ugly beauty = or beauty of Lais
LXXVIII. La dame Grecque de beauté laydique 9, Heureuse faite de procs
10 innumerable, Hors translatée 11 en regne Hispanique, Captive prise
mourir mort miserable.
9 laydique = Latin Laidis of Lais beauty of Corinth or laid ugly
10 procs = Latin procus suitor
11 translatée = Latin translatus transferred
CIXQ 78. The most ingenious application that has been made for this
one, perhaps, is that in which the Greek lady is taken as Democracy.
Line 4 would apply to its death beginning in 1936 in Spain. Larmor
(1925, p. 157) applies it to Marie de' Medici because she was of
beauty "comparable to that of the Greek courtesan Lais." In 1631 she
went into exile to Brussels, indeed then a Spanish possession, but her
death in 1642 was at Cologne.
LB

IX.78. Original text of 1568 edition

La dame Greque de beauté laydique,
Heureuse faicte de procs innumerable,
Hors translatee au regne Hispanique,
Captive prinse mourir mort miserable.

Read as modern French:

de Lais [la dame la plus belle de Corinthe antique]
d'amoureux [Lat. procus]
déplacée
prise

The lady Greek and fair beyond compare
Shall happy be with suitors without end:
Sent far away to breathe Hispanic air
She'll captured be and have a wretched end.

Source: The story of Helen of Epirus, the daughter of Michael VIII
Angelus, Emperor of Constantinople, who, besieged by numerous suitors,
eventually married the son of the Emperor Frederick II von
Hohenstaufen, only to be widowed, captured on her way back to Greece
and imprisoned at Naples (then under Spanish control), where she died
in 1272.

[Translations and analyses from 'Nostradamus: The Illustrated
Prophecies' (O Books, November 2003: copyright (c) Peter Lemesurier
2003)]

Do they still fit?

--
Peter

http://www.nostradamus500.com