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"When one will want to demand proof of the Normans" .EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers |
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cit=E9 neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
17 July 2006
ST. PETERSBURG - The leaders of the G8 industrial nations and UN
Secretary General Kofi Annan called Monday for the swift deployment of
international troops in southern Lebanon to end spiralling Mideast
violence.
"The UN needs time and space to make sure we have the troops -
well-trained, well-equipped troops - to go in quite quickly," said
Annan, speaking at the Group of Eight (G8) summit in St Petersburg.
"The sooner decisions are taken by the (UN) Security Council the better
it is," he said.
Annan said a team of UN officials in the crisis region would report to
the Security Council by the end of the week. He urged countries not to
delay dispatching
troops forces for the planned Middle East peace operation.
Saying details still had to be worked out, Annan gave no indication of
the number of troops required nor any deadlines for the deployment.
G8 host Russian President Vladimir Putin and other G8 leaders from
Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the US welcomed
Annan's support for the proposal made Sunday in a joint G8 declaration
on the worsening situation.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the G8 was determined to
strengthen Lebanon's central government as part of a bid to halt
Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel.
"I think it makes sense to have such a force based there," said Merkel
who underlined that she envisaged expanding existing UN forces
operating in southern Lebanon. Some 1,991 UN soldiers have been based
in Lebanon since 1978.
French President Jacques Chirac also backed a new UN troop mission for
Lebanon and called for setting up a border surveillance "cordon
sanitaire" along the Israeli-Lebanese frontier.
"We cannot allow things to go on as they are. We have to have a means
of repression and surveillance," said Chirac who said the force's
mandate should include disarming Hezbollah militias who have been
firing deadly rockets into Israel, provoking military strikes by the
Jewish state across Lebanon.
The Lebanese central government does not control parts of southern
Lebanon which are run by the Syrian-backed Islamist extremist Hezbollah
militia.
British Prime Tony Blair strongly backed an international security and
monitoring presence in the region, saying the only way to end
hostilities was to dispatch a "stabilization force" to the area.
The G8 moves came amid a flurry of intense diplomatic activity aimed
ending the carnage in Lebanon and Israel, with France's Prime Minister
Dominique de Villepin flying to Beirut shortly after a visit by the
European Union's chief diplomat Javier Solana to the Lebanese capital.
The St Petersburg summit was overshadowed by Israeli attacks on
Lebanon, which entered a sixth day with almost 150 people killed while
at least 24 Israelis have died, including eight killed in a Hezbollah
rocket attack on Haifa on Sunday.
Under pressure to overcome earlier divisions on the crisis and forge a
joint stance, G8 leaders issued a carefully-worded appeal for an end to
the bloodshed.
But Blair admitted it seemed to have had no effect as Israel launched
new airstrikes Monday across Lebanon and in Gaza.
"The G8 and the international community can issue whatever calls (for
peace) it wants - but it's not going to happen," said Blair, adding
that this was why international forces were needed in the region as a
new element to change the "dynamics" of the conflict.
Putin was equally sober on the chances of the G8 peace bid which blamed
extremists for the violence, called for the return of three captured
Israeli soldiers and then a halt to military operations.
"So far efforts to bring about a ceasefire have come to nothing. I
can't say we can be very optimistic, but I hope reason will prevail,"
Putin said, adding that he was hopeful Russia's contacts with Hamas
would help win the freedom of three captured Israelis.
US President George W Bush continued to blame Syria, Iran, Hamas and
Hezbollah for being at the root of the bloodshed.
"Hezbollah, that's housed and encouraged by Syria, financed by Iran,
are making these moves to stop the progress of peace," said Bush.
The G8 declaration stressed it was "critical that Israel, while
exercising the right to defend itself, be mindful of the strategic and
humanitarian consequences of its actions."
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| User: "Woodswun" |
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18 Jul 2006 04:23:20 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:16:45 -0700, an angry little stinker who's been a
failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
Seeing as how Beirut, et al, are nowhere near 45 degrees, I'd say the
above is not applicable.
Woods
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| Title: Re: "When one will want to demand proof of the Normans" .EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers |
18 Jul 2006 05:15:16 PM |
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an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cit=E9 neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
17 July 2006
ST. PETERSBURG - The leaders of the G8 industrial nations and UN
Secretary General Kofi Annan called Monday for the swift deployment of
international troops in southern Lebanon to end spiralling Mideast
violence.
"The UN needs time and space to make sure we have the troops -
well-trained, well-equipped troops - to go in quite quickly," said
Annan, speaking at the Group of Eight (G8) summit in St Petersburg.
"The sooner decisions are taken by the (UN) Security Council the better
it is," he said.
Annan said a team of UN officials in the crisis region would report to
the Security Council by the end of the week. He urged countries not to
delay dispatching
troops forces for the planned Middle East peace operation.
Saying details still had to be worked out, Annan gave no indication of
the number of troops required nor any deadlines for the deployment.
G8 host Russian President Vladimir Putin and other G8 leaders from
Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the US welcomed
Annan's support for the proposal made Sunday in a joint G8 declaration
on the worsening situation.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the G8 was determined to
strengthen Lebanon's central government as part of a bid to halt
Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel.
"I think it makes sense to have such a force based there," said Merkel
who underlined that she envisaged expanding existing UN forces
operating in southern Lebanon. Some 1,991 UN soldiers have been based
in Lebanon since 1978.
French President Jacques Chirac also backed a new UN troop mission for
Lebanon and called for setting up a border surveillance "cordon
sanitaire" along the Israeli-Lebanese frontier.
"We cannot allow things to go on as they are. We have to have a means
of repression and surveillance," said Chirac who said the force's
mandate should include disarming Hezbollah militias who have been
firing deadly rockets into Israel, provoking military strikes by the
Jewish state across Lebanon.
The Lebanese central government does not control parts of southern
Lebanon which are run by the Syrian-backed Islamist extremist Hezbollah
militia.
British Prime Tony Blair strongly backed an international security and
monitoring presence in the region, saying the only way to end
hostilities was to dispatch a "stabilization force" to the area.
The G8 moves came amid a flurry of intense diplomatic activity aimed
ending the carnage in Lebanon and Israel, with France's Prime Minister
Dominique de Villepin flying to Beirut shortly after a visit by the
European Union's chief diplomat Javier Solana to the Lebanese capital.
The St Petersburg summit was overshadowed by Israeli attacks on
Lebanon, which entered a sixth day with almost 150 people killed while
at least 24 Israelis have died, including eight killed in a Hezbollah
rocket attack on Haifa on Sunday.
Under pressure to overcome earlier divisions on the crisis and forge a
joint stance, G8 leaders issued a carefully-worded appeal for an end to
the bloodshed.
But Blair admitted it seemed to have had no effect as Israel launched
new airstrikes Monday across Lebanon and in Gaza.
"The G8 and the international community can issue whatever calls (for
peace) it wants - but it's not going to happen," said Blair, adding
that this was why international forces were needed in the region as a
new element to change the "dynamics" of the conflict.
Putin was equally sober on the chances of the G8 peace bid which blamed
extremists for the violence, called for the return of three captured
Israeli soldiers and then a halt to military operations.
"So far efforts to bring about a ceasefire have come to nothing. I
can't say we can be very optimistic, but I hope reason will prevail,"
Putin said, adding that he was hopeful Russia's contacts with Hamas
would help win the freedom of three captured Israelis.
US President George W Bush continued to blame Syria, Iran, Hamas and
Hezbollah for being at the root of the bloodshed.
"Hezbollah, that's housed and encouraged by Syria, financed by Iran,
are making these moves to stop the progress of peace," said Bush.
The G8 declaration stressed it was "critical that Israel, while
exercising the right to defend itself, be mindful of the strategic and
humanitarian consequences of its actions."
funny how the Normans are used every time s9omething happens like what
is the Flame?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19825612-2703,00.html
Putin's dig at Bush came during their joint news conference, casting
doubts on the friendship the two men claim to enjoy.
Bush said he had told the Russian leader that people in the US wanted
Russia to promote the sort of democratic institutions that exist in
Iraq. Putin's deadpan response caused even the thick-skinned Texan to
blush.
"To be honest, we certainly would not want to have the same kind of
democracy as they have in Iraq," Putin said, prompting laughter and
applause from many of the assembled reporters. Later in the day, he
took a swipe at Blair over his links to Lord Levy, the Labour Party
fundraiser.
Asked by a British reporter how he would respond to Blair's concerns
about Russian democracy, Putin said he was always glad to hear fellow
leaders' views.
Then, after a pause, he smiled and added: "There are also other
questions; questions, let's say, about the fight against corruption.
We'd be interested in hearing your experience, including how it applies
to Lord Levy."
US and British officials brushed off the remarks as harmless jokes
between old friends that would neither disrupt the main work of the
international summit nor affect bilateral relations.
"We think he has a little joke for every leader," said a spokesman for
Blair. "We have not lost our sense of humour."
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18 Jul 2006 11:09:33 PM |
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"leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au" <leigh8bee@optusnet.com.au> Spat the Words
an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
17 July 2006
ST. PETERSBURG - The leaders of the G8 industrial nations and UN
Secretary General Kofi Annan called Monday for the swift deployment of
international troops in southern Lebanon to end spiralling Mideast
violence.
"The UN needs time and space to make sure we have the troops -
well-trained, well-equipped troops - to go in quite quickly," said
Annan, speaking at the Group of Eight (G8) summit in St Petersburg.
"The sooner decisions are taken by the (UN) Security Council the better
it is," he said.
Annan said a team of UN officials in the crisis region would report to
the Security Council by the end of the week. He urged countries not to
delay dispatching
troops forces for the planned Middle East peace operation.
Saying details still had to be worked out, Annan gave no indication of
the number of troops required nor any deadlines for the deployment.
G8 host Russian President Vladimir Putin and other G8 leaders from
Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the US welcomed
Annan's support for the proposal made Sunday in a joint G8 declaration
on the worsening situation.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the G8 was determined to
strengthen Lebanon's central government as part of a bid to halt
Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel.
"I think it makes sense to have such a force based there," said Merkel
who underlined that she envisaged expanding existing UN forces
operating in southern Lebanon. Some 1,991 UN soldiers have been based
in Lebanon since 1978.
French President Jacques Chirac also backed a new UN troop mission for
Lebanon and called for setting up a border surveillance "cordon
sanitaire" along the Israeli-Lebanese frontier.
"We cannot allow things to go on as they are. We have to have a means
of repression and surveillance," said Chirac who said the force's
mandate should include disarming Hezbollah militias who have been
firing deadly rockets into Israel, provoking military strikes by the
Jewish state across Lebanon.
The Lebanese central government does not control parts of southern
Lebanon which are run by the Syrian-backed Islamist extremist Hezbollah
militia.
British Prime Tony Blair strongly backed an international security and
monitoring presence in the region, saying the only way to end
hostilities was to dispatch a "stabilization force" to the area.
The G8 moves came amid a flurry of intense diplomatic activity aimed
ending the carnage in Lebanon and Israel, with France's Prime Minister
Dominique de Villepin flying to Beirut shortly after a visit by the
European Union's chief diplomat Javier Solana to the Lebanese capital.
The St Petersburg summit was overshadowed by Israeli attacks on
Lebanon, which entered a sixth day with almost 150 people killed while
at least 24 Israelis have died, including eight killed in a Hezbollah
rocket attack on Haifa on Sunday.
Under pressure to overcome earlier divisions on the crisis and forge a
joint stance, G8 leaders issued a carefully-worded appeal for an end to
the bloodshed.
But Blair admitted it seemed to have had no effect as Israel launched
new airstrikes Monday across Lebanon and in Gaza.
"The G8 and the international community can issue whatever calls (for
peace) it wants - but it's not going to happen," said Blair, adding
that this was why international forces were needed in the region as a
new element to change the "dynamics" of the conflict.
Putin was equally sober on the chances of the G8 peace bid which blamed
extremists for the violence, called for the return of three captured
Israeli soldiers and then a halt to military operations.
"So far efforts to bring about a ceasefire have come to nothing. I
can't say we can be very optimistic, but I hope reason will prevail,"
Putin said, adding that he was hopeful Russia's contacts with Hamas
would help win the freedom of three captured Israelis.
US President George W Bush continued to blame Syria, Iran, Hamas and
Hezbollah for being at the root of the bloodshed.
"Hezbollah, that's housed and encouraged by Syria, financed by Iran,
are making these moves to stop the progress of peace," said Bush.
The G8 declaration stressed it was "critical that Israel, while
exercising the right to defend itself, be mindful of the strategic and
humanitarian consequences of its actions."
funny how the Normans are used every time s9omething happens like what
is the Flame?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19825612-2703,00.html
Putin's dig at Bush came during their joint news conference, casting
doubts on the friendship the two men claim to enjoy.
Bush said he had told the Russian leader that people in the US wanted
Russia to promote the sort of democratic institutions that exist in
Iraq. Putin's deadpan response caused even the thick-skinned Texan to
blush.
"To be honest, we certainly would not want to have the same kind of
democracy as they have in Iraq," Putin said, prompting laughter and
applause from many of the assembled reporters. Later in the day, he
took a swipe at Blair over his links to Lord Levy, the Labour Party
fundraiser.
Yeah I like that Iraqi democracy. It's the kind of democracy
where everyone dies... nothing left but the oil.
Asked by a British reporter how he would respond to Blair's concerns
about Russian democracy, Putin said he was always glad to hear fellow
leaders' views.
Then, after a pause, he smiled and added: "There are also other
questions; questions, let's say, about the fight against corruption.
We'd be interested in hearing your experience, including how it applies
to Lord Levy."
US and British officials brushed off the remarks as harmless jokes
between old friends that would neither disrupt the main work of the
international summit nor affect bilateral relations.
Sounds from this article that Putin's remarks WERE the highlight of
the summit.
"We think he has a little joke for every leader," said a spokesman for
Blair. "We have not lost our sense of humour."
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| User: "Jane" |
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18 Jul 2006 03:26:40 PM |
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an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cit=E9 neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
Total waste of time and resources. Hubby's uncle was a peacekeeper
there 45+ years ago. He met his wife there, so I guess it was
worthwhile for him, but what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Why
risk peacekeepers on a hopeless case?
Jane
17 July 2006
ST. PETERSBURG - The leaders of the G8 industrial nations and UN
Secretary General Kofi Annan called Monday for the swift deployment of
international troops in southern Lebanon to end spiralling Mideast
violence.
"The UN needs time and space to make sure we have the troops -
well-trained, well-equipped troops - to go in quite quickly," said
Annan, speaking at the Group of Eight (G8) summit in St Petersburg.
"The sooner decisions are taken by the (UN) Security Council the better
it is," he said.
Annan said a team of UN officials in the crisis region would report to
the Security Council by the end of the week. He urged countries not to
delay dispatching
troops forces for the planned Middle East peace operation.
Saying details still had to be worked out, Annan gave no indication of
the number of troops required nor any deadlines for the deployment.
G8 host Russian President Vladimir Putin and other G8 leaders from
Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the US welcomed
Annan's support for the proposal made Sunday in a joint G8 declaration
on the worsening situation.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the G8 was determined to
strengthen Lebanon's central government as part of a bid to halt
Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel.
"I think it makes sense to have such a force based there," said Merkel
who underlined that she envisaged expanding existing UN forces
operating in southern Lebanon. Some 1,991 UN soldiers have been based
in Lebanon since 1978.
French President Jacques Chirac also backed a new UN troop mission for
Lebanon and called for setting up a border surveillance "cordon
sanitaire" along the Israeli-Lebanese frontier.
"We cannot allow things to go on as they are. We have to have a means
of repression and surveillance," said Chirac who said the force's
mandate should include disarming Hezbollah militias who have been
firing deadly rockets into Israel, provoking military strikes by the
Jewish state across Lebanon.
The Lebanese central government does not control parts of southern
Lebanon which are run by the Syrian-backed Islamist extremist Hezbollah
militia.
British Prime Tony Blair strongly backed an international security and
monitoring presence in the region, saying the only way to end
hostilities was to dispatch a "stabilization force" to the area.
The G8 moves came amid a flurry of intense diplomatic activity aimed
ending the carnage in Lebanon and Israel, with France's Prime Minister
Dominique de Villepin flying to Beirut shortly after a visit by the
European Union's chief diplomat Javier Solana to the Lebanese capital.
The St Petersburg summit was overshadowed by Israeli attacks on
Lebanon, which entered a sixth day with almost 150 people killed while
at least 24 Israelis have died, including eight killed in a Hezbollah
rocket attack on Haifa on Sunday.
Under pressure to overcome earlier divisions on the crisis and forge a
joint stance, G8 leaders issued a carefully-worded appeal for an end to
the bloodshed.
But Blair admitted it seemed to have had no effect as Israel launched
new airstrikes Monday across Lebanon and in Gaza.
"The G8 and the international community can issue whatever calls (for
peace) it wants - but it's not going to happen," said Blair, adding
that this was why international forces were needed in the region as a
new element to change the "dynamics" of the conflict.
Putin was equally sober on the chances of the G8 peace bid which blamed
extremists for the violence, called for the return of three captured
Israeli soldiers and then a halt to military operations.
"So far efforts to bring about a ceasefire have come to nothing. I
can't say we can be very optimistic, but I hope reason will prevail,"
Putin said, adding that he was hopeful Russia's contacts with Hamas
would help win the freedom of three captured Israelis.
US President George W Bush continued to blame Syria, Iran, Hamas and
Hezbollah for being at the root of the bloodshed.
"Hezbollah, that's housed and encouraged by Syria, financed by Iran,
are making these moves to stop the progress of peace," said Bush.
The G8 declaration stressed it was "critical that Israel, while
exercising the right to defend itself, be mindful of the strategic and
humanitarian consequences of its actions."
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| User: "Aidan" |
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| Title: Re: "When one will want to demand proof of the Normans" .EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers |
18 Jul 2006 09:49:39 PM |
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Jane wrote:
an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
Total waste of time and resources. Hubby's uncle was a peacekeeper
there 45+ years ago. He met his wife there, so I guess it was
worthwhile for him, but what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Why
risk peacekeepers on a hopeless case?
Jane
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and kidnaps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
What would your feelings be toward people in, say Iran, proclaiming that it
would be a "total waste of time and resources" to send any kind of
peacekeeping force? You'd think "Those fucking assholes!", wouldn't you?
Maybe you're thinking that all peacekeeping forces do is tote guns around,
and try to quell fighting by use of their own force, and then bail out when
things go quiet... not the case. A lot of the time, peacekeeping forces
perform other logistic functions within the area they are sent to oversee.
For instance, I could see real value in sending in some troops to help
reconstruct and operate the smoking foundations of the air port in
Beirut... this would help the foreigners who are currently trapped due to
having no way out of the country, as well as allow for the delivery of food
and medical supplies that are going to be vital within the next few weeks
to avoid a greater catastrophy than what is already occuring. This would
free up Lebanese forces to face Hezbollah in greater numbers.
Certainly not a "total waste of time and resources", unless you place no
value on the lives of those who are (inadvertantly) stuck and/or caught up
in the munition slinging madness that's going on.
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| User: "bye" |
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18 Jul 2006 10:27:20 PM |
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Certainly not a "total waste of time and resources", unless you place no
value on the lives of those who are (inadvertantly) stuck and/or caught up
in the munition slinging madness that's going on.
Unfortunately, they place no value on those lives.
"Aidan" <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$2xpm2j$sf6$1@titan.linknet.com.au...
Jane wrote:
an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
Total waste of time and resources. Hubby's uncle was a peacekeeper
there 45+ years ago. He met his wife there, so I guess it was
worthwhile for him, but what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Why
risk peacekeepers on a hopeless case?
Jane
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and
kidnaps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
What would your feelings be toward people in, say Iran, proclaiming that
it
would be a "total waste of time and resources" to send any kind of
peacekeeping force? You'd think "Those fucking assholes!", wouldn't you?
Maybe you're thinking that all peacekeeping forces do is tote guns around,
and try to quell fighting by use of their own force, and then bail out
when
things go quiet... not the case. A lot of the time, peacekeeping forces
perform other logistic functions within the area they are sent to oversee.
For instance, I could see real value in sending in some troops to help
reconstruct and operate the smoking foundations of the air port in
Beirut... this would help the foreigners who are currently trapped due to
having no way out of the country, as well as allow for the delivery of
food
and medical supplies that are going to be vital within the next few weeks
to avoid a greater catastrophy than what is already occuring. This would
free up Lebanese forces to face Hezbollah in greater numbers.
Certainly not a "total waste of time and resources", unless you place no
value on the lives of those who are (inadvertantly) stuck and/or caught up
in the munition slinging madness that's going on.
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| User: "Jane" |
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| Title: Re: "When one will want to demand proof of the Normans" .EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers |
19 Jul 2006 06:49:31 AM |
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Aidan wrote:
Jane wrote:
an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cit=E9 neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
Total waste of time and resources. Hubby's uncle was a peacekeeper
there 45+ years ago. He met his wife there, so I guess it was
worthwhile for him, but what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Why
risk peacekeepers on a hopeless case?
Jane
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and kidna=
ps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
Frankly, if Canada were harbouring a terrorist group...let's call them
Hezbollah...and allowed this group to defacto run part of the country
with impunity and this group kidnapped American soldiers AND began
firing rockets into major American cities, I would expect the Americans
to retaliate. I might even be happy that someone was finally taking
care of the problem...as this Lebanese Christian quoted yesterday
is:"There is no other solution for (Hezbollah). The Lebanese government
can't disarm Hezbollah and I think Israel will succeed," said Claude
Saliba, 30, a restaurant supplier. "Israel should do it. Not just for
us Christians but for all Lebanese."
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=3Dthestar/Layout/Ar=
ticle_Type1&call_pageid=3D971358637177&c=3DArticle&cid=3D1153173011707
However, the geopolitics in North America are vastly different than in
the M.E., so I don't think the "hypothetical situation" is particularly
valid. The U.S. is not under constant threat from neighbors who hate
its very existence and have no problem blowing themselves and innocent
civilians up to further their aim of driving it into the sea.
What would your feelings be toward people in, say Iran, proclaiming that =
it
would be a "total waste of time and resources" to send any kind of
peacekeeping force? You'd think "Those fucking assholes!", wouldn't you?
That is just the opinion of one unimportant person (me). I would have
more faith in a peacekeeping force if it were run by someone other than
the U.N. and if they were actually permitted to engage Hezbollah.
Particularly given that the U.N. (with the exception of the U.S. (and a
few others)) is rabidly anti-Israel. My comments were based on the
discouraging results of past peacekeeping efforts in the region and
were admittedly a little flippant. I just feel that, had my husband's
uncle died there all those years ago, it would have been for nothing.
Maybe you're thinking that all peacekeeping forces do is tote guns around,
and try to quell fighting by use of their own force, and then bail out wh=
en
things go quiet... not the case.
Most of the time, they may as well not even tote the guns. AFAIK, they
are rarely allowed to use them.
A lot of the time, peacekeeping forces
perform other logistic functions within the area they are sent to oversee.
Of course they do. Then again, they have abject failures, like
Rwanda...
For instance, I could see real value in sending in some troops to help
reconstruct and operate the smoking foundations of the air port in
Beirut... this would help the foreigners who are currently trapped due to
having no way out of the country, as well as allow for the delivery of fo=
od
and medical supplies that are going to be vital within the next few weeks
to avoid a greater catastrophy than what is already occuring. This would
free up Lebanese forces to face Hezbollah in greater numbers.
If they can accomplish that without too much loss of life to the
peacekeepers, then it would, of course, be worth it. I am cynical
where the U.N. is concerned however.
Certainly not a "total waste of time and resources", unless you place no
value on the lives of those who are (inadvertantly) stuck and/or caught up
in the munition slinging madness that's going on.
Hey, if they can save some lives, I'm all for it. However, Rwanda
shows that sometimes they are a waste of time and resources. Past
efforts in Lebanon show that, too. Obviously nothing has changed.
With more international focus on the M.E., maybe they could accomplish
something. I'm still cynical, though.
Jane
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20 Jul 2006 12:19:49 AM |
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"Jane" <pushlinque@hotmail.com> Spat the Words
Aidan wrote:
Jane wrote:
an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
Total waste of time and resources. Hubby's uncle was a peacekeeper
there 45+ years ago. He met his wife there, so I guess it was
worthwhile for him, but what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Why
risk peacekeepers on a hopeless case?
Jane
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and
kidna
ps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be
hiding. Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
Frankly, if Canada were harbouring a terrorist group...let's call them
Hezbollah...and allowed this group to defacto run part of the country
with impunity and this group kidnapped American soldiers AND began
firing rockets into major American cities, I would expect the Americans
to retaliate. I might even be happy that someone was finally taking
care of the problem...
But you would still flee the area as most smart people in southern
Lebanon are doing. I'm just curious, how would you feel toward
America if the attacking American army killed someone you know,
perhaps a loved one, even a whole family of acquaintances ?
as this Lebanese Christian quoted yesterday
is:"There is no other solution for (Hezbollah). The Lebanese government
can't disarm Hezbollah and I think Israel will succeed," said Claude
Saliba, 30, a restaurant supplier. "Israel should do it. Not just for
us Christians but for all Lebanese."
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?
pagename=thestar/Layout/Ar
ticle_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1153173011707
However, the geopolitics in North America are vastly different than in
the M.E., so I don't think the "hypothetical situation" is particularly
valid. The U.S. is not under constant threat from neighbors who hate
its very existence and have no problem blowing themselves and innocent
civilians up to further their aim of driving it into the sea.
What would your feelings be toward people in, say Iran, proclaiming
that
it
would be a "total waste of time and resources" to send any kind of
peacekeeping force? You'd think "Those fucking assholes!", wouldn't
you?
That is just the opinion of one unimportant person (me). I would have
more faith in a peacekeeping force if it were run by someone other than
the U.N. and if they were actually permitted to engage Hezbollah.
Particularly given that the U.N. (with the exception of the U.S. (and a
few others)) is rabidly anti-Israel. My comments were based on the
discouraging results of past peacekeeping efforts in the region and
were admittedly a little flippant. I just feel that, had my husband's
uncle died there all those years ago, it would have been for nothing.
Maybe you're thinking that all peacekeeping forces do is tote guns
around, and try to quell fighting by use of their own force, and then
bail out wh
en
things go quiet... not the case.
Most of the time, they may as well not even tote the guns. AFAIK, they
are rarely allowed to use them.
A lot of the time, peacekeeping forces
perform other logistic functions within the area they are sent to
oversee.
Of course they do. Then again, they have abject failures, like
Rwanda...
For instance, I could see real value in sending in some troops to help
reconstruct and operate the smoking foundations of the air port in
Beirut... this would help the foreigners who are currently trapped due
to having no way out of the country, as well as allow for the delivery
of fo
od
and medical supplies that are going to be vital within the next few
weeks to avoid a greater catastrophy than what is already occuring.
This would free up Lebanese forces to face Hezbollah in greater
numbers.
If they can accomplish that without too much loss of life to the
peacekeepers, then it would, of course, be worth it. I am cynical
where the U.N. is concerned however.
Certainly not a "total waste of time and resources", unless you place
no value on the lives of those who are (inadvertantly) stuck and/or
caught up in the munition slinging madness that's going on.
Hey, if they can save some lives, I'm all for it. However, Rwanda
shows that sometimes they are a waste of time and resources. Past
efforts in Lebanon show that, too. Obviously nothing has changed.
With more international focus on the M.E., maybe they could accomplish
something. I'm still cynical, though.
Jane
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18 Jul 2006 10:46:45 PM |
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Aidan wrote:
Jane wrote:
an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cit=E9 neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
Total waste of time and resources. Hubby's uncle was a peacekeeper
there 45+ years ago. He met his wife there, so I guess it was
worthwhile for him, but what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Why
risk peacekeepers on a hopeless case?
Jane
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and kidna=
ps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
What would your feelings be toward people in, say Iran, proclaiming that =
it
would be a "total waste of time and resources" to send any kind of
peacekeeping force? You'd think "Those fucking assholes!", wouldn't you?
The role of the peacekeeping force would be to try to stop the random
group of militiants from conducting further terrorist attacks on
Israel. That would be the quickest way to stop the hostilities. Of
course the terrorist group would then attack the peacekeepers. That's
what terrorists do.
Maybe you're thinking that all peacekeeping forces do is tote guns around,
and try to quell fighting by use of their own force, and then bail out wh=
en
things go quiet... not the case. A lot of the time, peacekeeping forces
perform other logistic functions within the area they are sent to oversee.
For instance, I could see real value in sending in some troops to help
reconstruct and operate the smoking foundations of the air port in
Beirut... this would help the foreigners who are currently trapped due to
having no way out of the country, as well as allow for the delivery of fo=
od
and medical supplies that are going to be vital within the next few weeks
to avoid a greater catastrophy than what is already occuring. This would
free up Lebanese forces to face Hezbollah in greater numbers.
Certainly not a "total waste of time and resources", unless you place no
value on the lives of those who are (inadvertantly) stuck and/or caught up
in the munition slinging madness that's going on.
As Jane said, it will never happen -- because the terrorists don't want
peace, they want Israel destroyed. That said, I hope the peacekeepers
can stop the terrorists from further attacks on Israel. That would
certainly solve a lot of problems.
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| User: "bye" |
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18 Jul 2006 10:35:30 PM |
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I have one brother and two sisters. When I was a kid, if any one of us did
anything wrong. My dad would beat us all untill he got a confession from one
of us.
Unfortunately, I don't remember anyone ever 'confessuing'. So, if any of us
did anything wrong and my dad did not know who it was, he would beat us all
to a pulp!!
My dad was a sick man!!!
"Aidan" <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$2xpm2j$sf6$1@titan.linknet.com.au...
Jane wrote:
an angry little stinker who's been a failure at everything wrote:
C6:Q97
Cinq & quarante degrez ciel bruslera
Feu approcher de la grand cité neuue
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera
Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.
At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city:
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to demand proof of the Normans.
EU, UN call for Middle East peacekeepers
Total waste of time and resources. Hubby's uncle was a peacekeeper
there 45+ years ago. He met his wife there, so I guess it was
worthwhile for him, but what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Why
risk peacekeepers on a hopeless case?
Jane
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and
kidnaps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
What would your feelings be toward people in, say Iran, proclaiming that
it
would be a "total waste of time and resources" to send any kind of
peacekeeping force? You'd think "Those fucking assholes!", wouldn't you?
Maybe you're thinking that all peacekeeping forces do is tote guns around,
and try to quell fighting by use of their own force, and then bail out
when
things go quiet... not the case. A lot of the time, peacekeeping forces
perform other logistic functions within the area they are sent to oversee.
For instance, I could see real value in sending in some troops to help
reconstruct and operate the smoking foundations of the air port in
Beirut... this would help the foreigners who are currently trapped due to
having no way out of the country, as well as allow for the delivery of
food
and medical supplies that are going to be vital within the next few weeks
to avoid a greater catastrophy than what is already occuring. This would
free up Lebanese forces to face Hezbollah in greater numbers.
Certainly not a "total waste of time and resources", unless you place no
value on the lives of those who are (inadvertantly) stuck and/or caught up
in the munition slinging madness that's going on.
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18 Jul 2006 10:53:30 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:35:30 GMT, "bye" <3@4.com> wrote:
My dad was a sick man!!!
Which is STILL no excuse for the way you turned out.
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| User: "The Kat" |
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18 Jul 2006 10:52:32 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:49:39 GMT, Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and kidnaps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
Invalid scenario, you left out the part about the Canadians firing Iranian
and Syrian rockets into U.S. territory first.
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| User: "Perseid" |
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18 Jul 2006 11:29:09 PM |
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The Kat <newskat@katxyzkave.net> Spat the Words
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:49:39 GMT, Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and kidnaps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
Invalid scenario, you left out the part about the Canadians firing Iranian
and Syrian rockets into U.S. territory first.
Those damn canadians. I knew they were stock-piling low quality
rockets.
In an actual situation like this I wonder if there would be any
response at all. How many people are kidnapped, taken across a
border and disappeared ? Two kidnapped soldiers in Israel makes
an international incident but here we might not even find out
about it until years later when it shows up on a special news report.
Canada would have to do something really really awful to provoke
a US military response.
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| User: "Aidan" |
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19 Jul 2006 02:06:49 AM |
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The Kat wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:49:39 GMT, Aidan <aweraw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Some random group of Candian militants declares war on the USA, and
kidnaps
a few American soldiers. In retaliation, the US begins bombing heavily
populated areas in Canada, where the militants are suspected to be hiding.
Imagine you live in one of the areas under aerial bombardment.
Invalid scenario, you left out the part about the Canadians firing Iranian
and Syrian rockets into U.S. territory first.
OK, I'll add in some more words to sate you:
"Some random group of Canadian militants, angry at the insane number of
Canadians in US prisons, kidnap 2 US soldiers and commence a relatively
weak rocket offensive. In retaliation, the US.... etc etc"
It still doesn't justify a government, who's still trying to convince its
neighbours of its legitimacy, launching a massive military effort against
the countries in which their targets reside. Israel could very easily seek
to work with the Lebanese government (who say they simply don't have the
resources to control Hezbollah in southern Lebanon), by donating weapons
and troops, instead they're going it alone as aggressors in foreign
territory.
Big difference.
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