*
For those who were not around more than ten years ago, here is a
re-post of an interesting exchange about quatrain II-27 :
*
Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
Message-ID: <EDw4BL.AI2.0.sheppard@torfree.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:45 GMT
* [QUOTE]
A few comments on II-27 by Claude Latrémouille
1. This verse is numbered (deliberately?) by Nostradamus
II-77 in the original 1555 edition. It is my view that
N. intended to signal - through a deliberate misprint, the
fact that this verse is not so much a prophecy in and of
itself, but a commentary by Nostradamus himself on his
prophecy.
Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
From: (Peter Lemesurier)
Date: 1997/07/25
Message-Id: <33d88525.0@hades.ndirect.co.uk>
References: <1713.7144T935T1487@telebyte.nl>
Organization: BTnet, BT Public Internet Service
Reply-To:
Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
Zaphod <zaphod@telebyte.nl> wrote:
Centurie 2, Quatrain 27
Le divin verbe sera du ciel frappé,
2. The original spelling of line 1 is:
Le diuin verbe sera du ciel frapé
which explains why so few of N.'s readers ever get to first
base, since the edition they read from does not reproduce
what was printed in 1555.
Qui ne pourra proceder plus avant:
3. The original line 2 spells "avant:" as 'auant.'
Du reserant, le secret estoupé
4. Correct.
Qu'on marchera par dessus & devant.
5. "devant." is 'deuant." in the original.
6. And if you are asking what this obscure text refers to, just
look at the four cryptic anagrams which it yields:
Dans l'Oracle, ie ne peux aduertir
Auant qu'approche la pire Horreur
Très monstrueuse de la perte
Des Hébreus qu'on massacre partout.
In other words, for my prophecy to be of any use, I am unable
to warn ahead of time the Jewish people of the coming Holocaust.
Why is he unable to warn the Jews? Because he knows that his
secret cannot be revealed before the end of Hitler. The text
in prose of his prophecy clearly reveals the circumstances of
Hitler's demise. If the secret of his anagrams is discovered
before Hitler is in Hell (his words, not mine!), nothing can
stop the führer from causing the destruction of all books in
print by or about Nostradamus, because he has invaded all of
Europe. Nostradamus must prevent that at all cost... including
that of the Holocaust (no bad pun intended).
This verse provides the answer to the question: Why did he not
warn the Jews about Hitler ahead of time? Now you know why.
Peter's comments to Zaphod's deleted interpretation:
BY PETER
~~~~~~~~
Zaphod
This is a very difficult verse, and you are - shall we say - extremely
courageous to have tackled it! ;)
As far as I can see, it's meaning is something like:
The Divine Word shall be struck from the sky
And not be able to make any further progress.
The secret of how to unlock it shall be stopped up,
Such that people will go trampling on (in their old familiar way).
It looks rather like the 'twin' of II.45, which likewise suggests
initial resistance to a far-future celestrial, redemptive initiative
which Xians will no doubt associate with the Second Coming and
X-Philes with some major extraterrestrial encounter. In this case, it
looks as if it'll be a long time coming . . .
But then again, it could simply be a forecast that N's own powers and
'divine inspiration' will be stopped up at his death, as he indeed
warns his son Cesar in his Preface. In fact, this is a good deal more
likely. As usual, then, what seems extraordinary and even cosmic in N
actually turns out to be perfectly humdrum . . .
How about (with customary poetic liberties!):
Of heaven above the Word Divine struck down,
No further onward progress shall it make:
Its secret stopped, its opening unknown,
The people shall walk onward, scarce awake.
If this is anything like correct, no complicated or esoteric
explanations are necessary. As usual, in fact . . .
PSD
Brind'Amour offers a different explanation though. It refers, he
suggests, to a thunderstorm extinguishing a censer during a religious
procession and forcing its abandonment (as happened in 1549, for
example): though had its leaders listened to prior warnings they would
never have gone ahead in the first place. (An even more humdrum
explanation, in other words . . .)
--
Peter
BY CLAUDE:
~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, Peter! Brind'Amour does not believe that Nostradamus is a
true seer. Therefore he must give a rational explanation to this
poetry. In this case, your explanation is better than his.
Claude. [END OF QUOTE]
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille,
December 30, 2007,
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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31 Dec 2007 04:56:21 AM |
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On Dec 30, 12:14=A0pm, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
*
For those who were not around more than ten years ago, here is a
re-post of an interesting exchange about quatrain II-27 :
*>Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
Message-ID: <EDw4BL.AI2.0.shepp...@torfree.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:45 GMT
* [QUOTE]
A few comments on II-27 by Claude Latr=E9mouille
1. This verse is numbered (deliberately?) by Nostradamus
II-77 in the original 1555 edition. =A0It is my view that
N. intended to signal - through a deliberate misprint, the
fact that this verse is not so much a prophecy in and of
itself, but a commentary by Nostradamus himself on his
prophecy.
Subject: =A0 =A0 =A0Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
From: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (Peter Lemesurier)
Date: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1997/07/25
Message-Id: =A0 <33d8852...@hades.ndirect.co.uk>
References: =A0 <1713.7144T935T1...@telebyte.nl>
Organization: BTnet, BT Public Internet Service
Reply-To: =A0 =A0
Newsgroups: =A0 alt.prophecies.nostradamus
Zaphod <zap...@telebyte.nl> wrote:
Centurie 2, Quatrain 27
Le divin verbe sera du ciel frapp=E9,
2. The original spelling of line 1 is:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Le diuin verbe sera du ciel frap=E9
which explains why so few of N.'s readers ever get to first
base, since the edition they read from does not reproduce
what was printed in 1555.
Qui ne pourra proceder plus avant:
3. The original line 2 spells "avant:" as 'auant.'
Du reserant, le secret estoup=E9
4. Correct.
Qu'on marchera par dessus & devant.
5. "devant." is 'deuant." in the original.
6. And if you are asking what this obscure text refers to, just
look at the four cryptic anagrams which it yields:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dans l'Oracle, ie ne peux aduertir
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Auant qu'approche la pire Horreur
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tr=E8s monstrueuse de la perte
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Des H=E9breus qu'on massacre partout.
In other words, for my prophecy to be of any use, I am unable
to warn ahead of time the Jewish people of the coming Holocaust.
Why is he unable to warn the Jews? =A0Because he knows that his
secret cannot be revealed before the end of Hitler. =A0The text
in prose of his prophecy clearly reveals the circumstances of
Hitler's demise. =A0If the secret of his anagrams is discovered
before Hitler is in Hell (his words, not mine!), nothing can
stop the f=FChrer from causing the destruction of all books in
print by or about Nostradamus, because he has invaded all of
Europe. =A0Nostradamus must prevent that at all cost... including
that of the Holocaust (no bad pun intended).
This verse provides the answer to the question: =A0Why did he not
warn the Jews about Hitler ahead of time? =A0Now you know why.
Peter's comments to Zaphod's deleted interpretation:
BY PETER
~~~~~~~~
Zaphod
This is a very difficult verse, and you are - shall we say - extremely
courageous to have tackled it! ;)
As far as I can see, it's meaning is something like:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The Divine Word shall be struck from the sky
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0And not be able to make any further progress.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The secret of how to unlock it shall be stopped up,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Such that people will go trampling on (in their old fam=
iliar way).
It looks rather like the 'twin' of II.45, which likewise suggests
initial resistance to a far-future celestrial, redemptive initiative
which Xians will no doubt associate with the Second Coming and
X-Philes with some major extraterrestrial encounter. In this case, it
looks as if it'll be a long time coming . . .
But then again, it could simply be a forecast that N's own powers and
'divine inspiration' will be stopped up at his death, as he indeed
warns his son Cesar in his Preface. In fact, this is a good deal more
likely. As usual, then, what seems extraordinary and even cosmic in N
actually turns out to be perfectly humdrum . . .
How about (with customary poetic liberties!):
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Of heaven above the Word Divine struck down,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No further onward progress shall it make:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Its secret stopped, its opening unknown,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The people shall walk onward, scarce awake.
If this is anything like correct, no complicated or esoteric
explanations are necessary. As usual, in fact . . .
PSD
Brind'Amour offers a different explanation though. It refers, he
suggests, to a thunderstorm extinguishing a censer during a religious
procession and forcing its abandonment (as happened in 1549, for
example): though had its leaders listened to prior warnings they would
never have gone ahead in the first place. (An even more humdrum
explanation, in other words . . .)
--
Peter
BY CLAUDE:
~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, Peter! =A0Brind'Amour does not believe that Nostradamus is a
true seer. =A0Therefore he must give a rational explanation to this
poetry. =A0In this case, your explanation is better than his.
Claude. [END OF QUOTE]
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille,
December 30, 2007,http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
=A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D
=A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Claude, Thank God a face from the good old days, where is Peter these
days? now all we need is to get Jean back here. What is up with all of
these weirdo's on here. A bunch of nut cases for sure. The good old
days are fond memories when we actually discussed Nostradamus, not
American bashing and spewing hate.
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31 Dec 2007 05:55:09 PM |
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"grammyof1" <kellym960@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8f44e751-353d-451e-97d8-853fcc32a017@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 30, 12:14 pm, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
*
For those who were not around more than ten years ago, here is a
re-post of an interesting exchange about quatrain II-27 :
*>Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
Message-ID: <EDw4BL.AI2.0.shepp...@torfree.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:45 GMT
* [QUOTE]
A few comments on II-27 by Claude Latrémouille
1. This verse is numbered (deliberately?) by Nostradamus
II-77 in the original 1555 edition. It is my view that
N. intended to signal - through a deliberate misprint, the
fact that this verse is not so much a prophecy in and of
itself, but a commentary by Nostradamus himself on his
prophecy.
Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
From: (Peter Lemesurier)
Date: 1997/07/25
Message-Id: <33d8852...@hades.ndirect.co.uk>
References: <1713.7144T935T1...@telebyte.nl>
Organization: BTnet, BT Public Internet Service
Reply-To:
Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
Zaphod <zap...@telebyte.nl> wrote:
Centurie 2, Quatrain 27
Le divin verbe sera du ciel frappé,
2. The original spelling of line 1 is:
Le diuin verbe sera du ciel frapé
which explains why so few of N.'s readers ever get to first
base, since the edition they read from does not reproduce
what was printed in 1555.
Qui ne pourra proceder plus avant:
3. The original line 2 spells "avant:" as 'auant.'
Du reserant, le secret estoupé
4. Correct.
Qu'on marchera par dessus & devant.
5. "devant." is 'deuant." in the original.
6. And if you are asking what this obscure text refers to, just
look at the four cryptic anagrams which it yields:
Dans l'Oracle, ie ne peux aduertir
Auant qu'approche la pire Horreur
Très monstrueuse de la perte
Des Hébreus qu'on massacre partout.
In other words, for my prophecy to be of any use, I am unable
to warn ahead of time the Jewish people of the coming Holocaust.
Why is he unable to warn the Jews? Because he knows that his
secret cannot be revealed before the end of Hitler. The text
in prose of his prophecy clearly reveals the circumstances of
Hitler's demise. If the secret of his anagrams is discovered
before Hitler is in Hell (his words, not mine!), nothing can
stop the führer from causing the destruction of all books in
print by or about Nostradamus, because he has invaded all of
Europe. Nostradamus must prevent that at all cost... including
that of the Holocaust (no bad pun intended).
This verse provides the answer to the question: Why did he not
warn the Jews about Hitler ahead of time? Now you know why.
Peter's comments to Zaphod's deleted interpretation:
BY PETER
~~~~~~~~
Zaphod
This is a very difficult verse, and you are - shall we say - extremely
courageous to have tackled it! ;)
As far as I can see, it's meaning is something like:
The Divine Word shall be struck from the sky
And not be able to make any further progress.
The secret of how to unlock it shall be stopped up,
Such that people will go trampling on (in their old familiar way).
It looks rather like the 'twin' of II.45, which likewise suggests
initial resistance to a far-future celestrial, redemptive initiative
which Xians will no doubt associate with the Second Coming and
X-Philes with some major extraterrestrial encounter. In this case, it
looks as if it'll be a long time coming . . .
But then again, it could simply be a forecast that N's own powers and
'divine inspiration' will be stopped up at his death, as he indeed
warns his son Cesar in his Preface. In fact, this is a good deal more
likely. As usual, then, what seems extraordinary and even cosmic in N
actually turns out to be perfectly humdrum . . .
How about (with customary poetic liberties!):
Of heaven above the Word Divine struck down,
No further onward progress shall it make:
Its secret stopped, its opening unknown,
The people shall walk onward, scarce awake.
If this is anything like correct, no complicated or esoteric
explanations are necessary. As usual, in fact . . .
PSD
Brind'Amour offers a different explanation though. It refers, he
suggests, to a thunderstorm extinguishing a censer during a religious
procession and forcing its abandonment (as happened in 1549, for
example): though had its leaders listened to prior warnings they would
never have gone ahead in the first place. (An even more humdrum
explanation, in other words . . .)
--
Peter
BY CLAUDE:
~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, Peter! Brind'Amour does not believe that Nostradamus is a
true seer. Therefore he must give a rational explanation to this
poetry. In this case, your explanation is better than his.
Claude. [END OF QUOTE]
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille,
December 30, 2007,http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
===========================
Claude, Thank God a face from the good old days, where is Peter these
days? now all we need is to get Jean back here. What is up with all of
these weirdo's on here. A bunch of nut cases for sure. The good old
days are fond memories when we actually discussed Nostradamus, not
American bashing and spewing hate.
Yes, that's right. In the 'good ol' daze', Jean would bash anyone who
criticized America, despite the fact he's a Canadian, and would regularly
bash Muslims, even if they weren't extremists.
And then he'd be particularly nasty towards a number of posters, calling
them various derogatory names, and quite aggressively verbally flogging
anyone who *dared* question the alleged divine link between "The Seer" and
God, usually equating Nostradamus with a true prophet of God -- despite the
fact that interpretations of his *prophecies* vary as widely as many of
those from the Babble.
Oh, lest we forget, folks, now that you're warmly reminescing, and curiously
forgetting the downside aspects, about the 'good ol' daze' with Jean, Peter,
and all the rest, that there were plenty of "weirdos" on this forum then, as
now. The difference is that we have less of you Nosty "kooks" here, so it
looks like there's an imbalanced ratio of more non-Nosties to Nosties. And
the difference, too, was that there were more ultra rightwingers here, which
Jean actively courted and even went to bed with.
Anyone who said anything negative, in the slightest, about Israel or the
Jews, was hammered down rudely by Jean and his ultra rightwing cohorts.
Anyone who said anything negative about a Republican US President, past or
present, was similarly dissed with vigor.
So, today, what you are bitching about is mainly the loss of folks who
reflect your ultraconservatism and fanatical obsession with interpreting
Nosty's quatrains -- which, laughably, keep changing as the times change,
and you argue amongst yourselves as to their meaning, to the point of
utterly boring absurdity.
And, before you curiously forget all the aspects of the past, you'll likely
remember an especially nasty little fucker named TonyZ, which Jean often
supported whenever it was convenient for his argument. There were plenty of
other freaks, too, that Jean was playing footsie with here, but of course
they were all ultra rightwingers, rabid nationalists, xenophobics, etc.
You can take the fucking past of APN and shove it up your apocalyptic
yazoos.
Doc :))~
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31 Dec 2007 07:13:13 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:56:21 -0800 (PST), grammyof1 <kellym960@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Claude, Thank God a face from the good old days, where is Peter these
days? now all we need is to get Jean back here. What is up with all of
these weirdo's on here. A bunch of nut cases for sure. The good old
days are fond memories when we actually discussed Nostradamus, not
American bashing and spewing hate.
*
ANSWER: Peter had left this NewsGroup for the third (?) time
after having been convinced that he could no longer contribute to
it, given the number of posts by these... weirdos. Jean is still
active in other NewsGroups, or mailing lists, but has not
officially announced that he was retiring from this NewsGroup.
*
As to seeing him come back here...
*
Happy New Year, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille,
December 31, 2007 (January 1, 2008, in Aussie Land)
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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| User: "WH" |
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31 Dec 2007 04:56:28 AM |
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On Dec 30, 6:14=A0pm, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
*
For those who were not around more than ten years ago, here is a
re-post of an interesting exchange about quatrain II-27 :
*>Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
Message-ID: <EDw4BL.AI2.0.shepp...@torfree.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:45 GMT
* [QUOTE]
A few comments on II-27 by Claude Latr=E9mouille
1. This verse is numbered (deliberately?) by Nostradamus
II-77 in the original 1555 edition. =A0It is my view that
N. intended to signal - through a deliberate misprint, the
fact that this verse is not so much a prophecy in and of
itself, but a commentary by Nostradamus himself on his
prophecy.
Subject: =A0 =A0 =A0Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
From: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (Peter Lemesurier)
Date: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1997/07/25
Message-Id: =A0 <33d8852...@hades.ndirect.co.uk>
References: =A0 <1713.7144T935T1...@telebyte.nl>
Organization: BTnet, BT Public Internet Service
Reply-To: =A0 =A0
Newsgroups: =A0 alt.prophecies.nostradamus
Zaphod <zap...@telebyte.nl> wrote:
Centurie 2, Quatrain 27
Le divin verbe sera du ciel frapp=E9,
2. The original spelling of line 1 is:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Le diuin verbe sera du ciel frap=E9
which explains why so few of N.'s readers ever get to first
base, since the edition they read from does not reproduce
what was printed in 1555.
Qui ne pourra proceder plus avant:
3. The original line 2 spells "avant:" as 'auant.'
Du reserant, le secret estoup=E9
4. Correct.
Qu'on marchera par dessus & devant.
5. "devant." is 'deuant." in the original.
6. And if you are asking what this obscure text refers to, just
look at the four cryptic anagrams which it yields:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dans l'Oracle, ie ne peux aduertir
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Auant qu'approche la pire Horreur
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tr=E8s monstrueuse de la perte
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Des H=E9breus qu'on massacre partout.
In other words, for my prophecy to be of any use, I am unable
to warn ahead of time the Jewish people of the coming Holocaust.
Why is he unable to warn the Jews? =A0Because he knows that his
secret cannot be revealed before the end of Hitler. =A0The text
in prose of his prophecy clearly reveals the circumstances of
Hitler's demise. =A0If the secret of his anagrams is discovered
before Hitler is in Hell (his words, not mine!), nothing can
stop the f=FChrer from causing the destruction of all books in
print by or about Nostradamus, because he has invaded all of
Europe. =A0Nostradamus must prevent that at all cost... including
that of the Holocaust (no bad pun intended).
This verse provides the answer to the question: =A0Why did he not
warn the Jews about Hitler ahead of time? =A0Now you know why.
Peter's comments to Zaphod's deleted interpretation:
BY PETER
~~~~~~~~
Zaphod
This is a very difficult verse, and you are - shall we say - extremely
courageous to have tackled it! ;)
As far as I can see, it's meaning is something like:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The Divine Word shall be struck from the sky
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0And not be able to make any further progress.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The secret of how to unlock it shall be stopped up,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Such that people will go trampling on (in their old fam=
iliar way).
It looks rather like the 'twin' of II.45, which likewise suggests
initial resistance to a far-future celestrial, redemptive initiative
which Xians will no doubt associate with the Second Coming and
X-Philes with some major extraterrestrial encounter. In this case, it
looks as if it'll be a long time coming . . .
But then again, it could simply be a forecast that N's own powers and
'divine inspiration' will be stopped up at his death, as he indeed
warns his son Cesar in his Preface. In fact, this is a good deal more
likely. As usual, then, what seems extraordinary and even cosmic in N
actually turns out to be perfectly humdrum . . .
How about (with customary poetic liberties!):
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Of heaven above the Word Divine struck down,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No further onward progress shall it make:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Its secret stopped, its opening unknown,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The people shall walk onward, scarce awake.
If this is anything like correct, no complicated or esoteric
explanations are necessary. As usual, in fact . . .
PSD
Brind'Amour offers a different explanation though. It refers, he
suggests, to a thunderstorm extinguishing a censer during a religious
procession and forcing its abandonment (as happened in 1549, for
example): though had its leaders listened to prior warnings they would
never have gone ahead in the first place. (An even more humdrum
explanation, in other words . . .)
--
Peter
BY CLAUDE:
~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, Peter! =A0Brind'Amour does not believe that Nostradamus is a
true seer. =A0Therefore he must give a rational explanation to this
poetry. =A0In this case, your explanation is better than his.
Claude. [END OF QUOTE]
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille,
December 30, 2007,http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
*
=A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D
=A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D CLAUDE LATR=C9MOUILLE =3D=3D=3D
=A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Seems that the only time this NG was interesting Claud was when one of
your posts were involved? You've twice posted with this heading and
both times they were old posts of yours?
WH
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31 Dec 2007 10:46:04 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:56:28 -0800 (PST), WH <bollogs@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Seems that the only time this NG was interesting Claud was when one of
your posts were involved? You've twice posted with this heading and
both times they were old posts of yours?
WH
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What have you done, lately, to contribute to the improvement of
this NewsGroup?
*
When this NewsGroup was interesting, you had contributed this:
*
[We were then speaking of the 4 contributors who COULD read
Nostradamus' texts and of the 96 others who couldn't.]
*
Sure it is...but turning it around for a second, I think you'll find that
those 96 contributers are depending on the other 4 for guidance.
Most people here don't get involved in debates about Nostradamus
for that reason...that they don't consider themselves "knowledgable"
enough to make any comment. Then there are the few who can't read or
write French, (let alone "Nostradamus" French), but have read translations
by other people and think they know it all but in reality are just pushing
forward the views of the authors of said translations.
Or, to use your own language, would you not be
entitled to ask yourself: Would an exchange of ideas with the
ones who can read what they are talking about be more productive
than an exchange of ideas with those who can't? Is it possible to
reach a common ground between people who can read the stuff and
people who can't? Is it advisable to offer constructive criticism
to people who can't read the stuff, as opposed to those who can?
No it's not, and as I said above, most people don't get involved in it
because
the can't "read the stuff". But you'll find some really interesting
questions popping
up here from time to time which deserve interesting answers but when one of
the
4 goes to the trouble of trying to explain it in his way then another one
will, instead
of quitely disagreeing in a decent manner, jumps down their throat and
claims to be the
only "expert" on APN...mind you guernon is the biggest offender when it
comes to that!
You see what I mean? No one will get anywhere if the 4 spend their time
bickering over
who has the "truest" translation and who hasn't. It just turns into a
slanging match and no
one gets anywhere.
If the four realised that the translating from one language to another
depends almost entirely
on the translator and his/her interpretation of the text then maybe there
wouldn't be this bickering
and a decent dialogue could be had with ideas debated and maybe some
conclusions could be reached.
These are a few questions which your statement above brought to
mind.
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As to calling a fool a person who finds the answer to a question,
I would not go that far. I would much prefer to say: Well, if
this is the correct answer to that question, then all the other
answers which contradict it cannot be correct.
But who decides what is the correct answer? "I've come up with an answer and
I've decided that it's right so the rest
of you must be wrong"...in this case it can't work like that. It's not
matematics where there's only one answer and one set
of rules to arrive at the answer.
It's late and I'm tired and have a feeling that I didn't make much sense
with all of this, but I hope it doesn't confuse
you trying to read it and you can get my drift :-)
Have a nice day you too!
WH
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Have a Happy New Year, all!
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Claude Latrémouille,
December 31, 2007, January 1, 2008 in Aussie Land
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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31 Dec 2007 01:07:52 PM |
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On Dec 31, 5:46=A0pm, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:56:28 -0800 (PST), WH <boll...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
*>Seems that the only time this NG was interesting Claud was when one of
your posts were involved? You've twice posted with this heading and
both times they were old posts of yours?
WH
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What have you done, lately, to contribute to the improvement of
this NewsGroup?
*
When this NewsGroup was interesting, you had contributed this:
*
[We were then speaking of the 4 contributors who COULD read
Nostradamus' texts and of the 96 others who couldn't.]
*
Sure it is...but turning it around for a second, I think you'll find that=
those 96 contributers are depending on the other 4 for guidance.
Most people here don't get involved in debates about Nostradamus
for that reason...that they don't consider themselves "knowledgable"
enough to make any comment. Then there are the few who can't read or
write French, (let alone "Nostradamus" French), but have read translation=
s
by other people and think they know it all but in reality are just pushin=
g
forward the views of the authors of said translations.
Or, to use your own language, would you not be
entitled to ask yourself: Would an exchange of ideas with the
ones who can read what they are talking about be more productive
than an exchange of ideas with those who can't? Is it possible to
reach a common ground between people who can read the stuff and
people who can't? Is it advisable to offer constructive criticism
to people who can't read the stuff, as opposed to those who can?
No it's not, and as I said above, most people don't get involved in it
because
the can't "read the stuff". But you'll find some really interesting
questions popping
up here from time to time which deserve interesting answers but when one =
of
the
4 goes to the trouble of trying to explain it in his way then another one=
will, instead
of quitely disagreeing in a decent manner, jumps down their throat and
claims to be the
only "expert" on APN...mind you guernon is the biggest offender when it
comes to that!
You see what I mean? No one will get anywhere if the 4 spend their time
bickering over
who has the "truest" translation and who hasn't. It just turns into a
slanging match and no
one gets anywhere.
If the four realised that the translating from one language to another
depends almost entirely
on the translator and his/her interpretation of the text then maybe there=
wouldn't be this bickering
and a decent dialogue could be had with ideas debated and maybe some
conclusions could be reached.
These are a few questions which your statement above brought to
mind.
*
As to calling a fool a person who finds the answer to a question,
I would not go that far. I would much prefer to say: Well, if
this is the correct answer to that question, then all the other
answers which contradict it cannot be correct.
But who decides what is the correct answer? "I've come up with an answer =
and
I've decided that it's right so the rest
of you must be wrong"...in this case it can't work like that. It's not
matematics where there's only one answer and one set
of rules to arrive at the answer.
It's late and I'm tired and have a feeling that I didn't make much sense
with all of this, but I hope it doesn't confuse
you trying to read it and you can get my drift :-)
Have a nice day you too!
WH
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Have a Happy New Year, all!
*
Claude Latr=E9mouille,
December 31, 2007, January 1, 2008 in Aussie Landhttp://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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Tell you what Claud. I had a weird dream last night and, this is not a
wind up, I dreamt about APN for some reason...or rather the people who
post here past and present. It hit me that there's no point in
discussing Nostradamus's prophecies because when the '4' actually get
down to it all you do is slag each other off. That's all you lot have
ever done. PLM is wrong, guernon is wrong, Latr=E9mouille is wrong...and
whoever the fourth person is I can't remember but they're also wrong.
The only one who was open to ideas, as far as I can remember, was PLM.
Both you and Guernon sat fast in your beliefs. Wouldn't budge! You
have the idea that Nosty chose just you, a Canadian, to interpret his
quatrains, the Guernon thought the same of himself...but he didn't
claim that old Nosty actually named him, (as far as I can
remember), ...as you did.
See it seems to me Claude that even when it comes to something like
the interpretations of Nostradamus there is some "human" *****
involved. You think you're right and the others are wrong, they think
they're right and all others are wrong. Let's face it mate nobody's
right and nobody's wrong. Anyone who spends their life writing books
and studying a 16th century alcoholic who took drugs and was paranoid
needs their head examined. Nothing has "come to pass" absolutely
nothing. You can twist words and pretend that you're right but
Claude...nothing has ever happened that can be attributed to Nosty's
"predictions".
So I suggest you get a life and forget about Nostradamus :-)
WH
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30 Dec 2007 05:06:46 PM |
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On Dec 31, 3:14 am, (Claude Latremouille)
wrote:
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For those who were not around more than ten years ago, here is a
re-post of an interesting exchange about quatrain II-27 :
*>Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
Message-ID: <EDw4BL.AI2.0.shepp...@torfree.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jul1997 19:47:45 GMT
* [QUOTE]
A few comments on II-27 by Claude Latr=E9mouille
1. This verse is numbered (deliberately?) by Nostradamus
II-77 in the original 1555 edition. It is my view that
N. intended to signal - through a deliberate misprint, the
fact that this verse is not so much a prophecy in and of
itself, but a commentary by Nostradamus himself on his
prophecy.
Subject: Re: Centurie II, Quatrain 27
From: (Peter Lemesurier)
Date: 1997/07/25
Message-Id: <33d8852...@hades.ndirect.co.uk>
References: <1713.7144T935T1...@telebyte.nl>
Organization: BTnet, BT Public Internet Service
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Newsgroups: alt.prophecies.nostradamus
Zaphod <zap...@telebyte.nl> wrote:
Centurie 2, Quatrain 27
Le divin verbe sera du ciel frapp=E9,
2. The original spelling of line 1 is:
Le diuin verbe sera du ciel frap=E9
which explains why so few of N.'s readers ever get to first
base, since the edition they read from does not reproduce
what was printed in 1555.
Qui ne pourra proceder plus avant:
3. The original line 2 spells "avant:" as 'auant.'
Du reserant, le secret estoup=E9
4. Correct.
Qu'on marchera par dessus & devant.
5. "devant." is 'deuant." in the original.
6. And if you are asking what this obscure text refers to, just
look at the four cryptic anagrams which it yields:
Dans l'Oracle, ie ne peux aduertir
Auant qu'approche la pire Horreur
Tr=E8s monstrueuse de la perte
Des H=E9breus qu'on massacre partout.
In other words, for my prophecy to be of any use, I am unable
to warn ahead of time the Jewish people of the coming Holocaust.
Why is he unable to warn the Jews? Because he knows that his
secret cannot be revealed before the end of Hitler. The text
in prose of his prophecy clearly reveals the circumstances of
Hitler's demise. If the secret of his anagrams is discovered
before Hitler is in Hell (his words, not mine!), nothing can
stop the f=FChrer from causing the destruction of all books in
print by or about Nostradamus, because he has invaded all of
Europe. Nostradamus must prevent that at all cost... including
that of the Holocaust (no bad pun intended).
This verse provides the answer to the question: Why did he not
warn the Jews about Hitler ahead of time? Now you know why.
Peter's comments to Zaphod's deleted interpretation:
BY PETER
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Zaphod
This is a very difficult verse, and you are - shall we say - extremely
courageous to have tackled it! ;)
As far as I can see, it's meaning is something like:
The Divine Word shall be struck from the sky
And not be able to make any further progress.
The secret of how to unlock it shall be stopped up,
Such that people will go trampling on (in their old familiar way)=
..
It looks rather like the 'twin' of II.45, which likewise suggests
initial resistance to a far-future celestrial, redemptive initiative
which Xians will no doubt associate with the Second Coming and
X-Philes with some major extraterrestrial encounter. In this case, it
looks as if it'll be a long time coming . . .
But then again, it could simply be a forecast that N's own powers and
'divine inspiration' will be stopped up at his death, as he indeed
warns his son Cesar in his Preface. In fact, this is a good deal more
likely. As usual, then, what seems extraordinary and even cosmic in N
actually turns out to be perfectly humdrum . . .
How about (with customary poetic liberties!):
Of heaven above the Word Divine struck down,
No further onward progress shall it make:
Its secret stopped, its opening unknown,
The people shall walk onward, scarce awake.
If this is anything like correct, no complicated or esoteric
explanations are necessary. As usual, in fact . . .
PSD
Brind'Amour offers a different explanation though. It refers, he
suggests, to a thunderstorm extinguishing a censer during a religious
procession and forcing its abandonment (as happened in 1549, for
example): though had its leaders listened to prior warnings they would
never have gone ahead in the first place. (An even more humdrum
explanation, in other words . . .)
--
Peter
BY CLAUDE:
~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, Peter! Brind'Amour does not believe that Nostradamus is a
true seer. Therefore he must give a rational explanation to this
poetry. In this case, your explanation is better than his.
Claude. [END OF QUOTE]
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latr=E9mouille,
December 30, 2007,http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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Oh dear cryptic mumbo jumbo again better have a La Vert to to counter
BS and misconception:
C II -Q27 Le diuin verbe sera du ciel frap=E9,
Qui ne pourra proceder plus auant.
Du reserant le secret estoup=E9
Qu'on marchera par dessus et deuant.
The Divine Word shall be stricken from the sky, The one who cannot go
any farther;
The secret [shall be] kept close by the warder, That one shall pace
above and before him.
Line 3. While 'resserrer' (to lock up, to unlock) is an autantonym,
the context here demands one who locks, or a warder. Line 4. The
phraseology of guards above, before, and elsewhere, echoes the
official description of the guarding of the ransom of Francis I, and
may he a current mode of speech. 'Divine Word' is a literal
translation of 'theologos,' or 'theologian.' 'The sky,' as elsewhere,
probably refers to the King. The second line may mean that the
religious is at the top of his profession (a cardinal), or it may mean
that his movements are now stopped. The general theme of the quatrain
is that a high religious (perhaps the Cardinal of Lorraine) shall fall
into disfavor and be put into prison, incommunicado.
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30 Dec 2007 05:44:20 PM |
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On 30 Dec, 23:06, wrote: refuting crazy
Claude.
My God! Two people now discussing why the world is flat.
Isn't it time to say that Nostradamus was a journeyman charlaten,
making a living through writing mumbo-jumbo?
Werewolfy
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30 Dec 2007 07:01:51 PM |
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Werewolfy <Werewolfy1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:f6e4b79c-6377-4b89-af6a-
5d984ffff79a@z11g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On 30 Dec, 23:06, wrote: refuting crazy
Claude.
My God! Two people now discussing why the world is flat.
Isn't it time to say that Nostradamus was a journeyman charlaten,
making a living through writing mumbo-jumbo?
Werewolfy
You know that short piece by patricia horseradish looked a LOT like
LeighBee's writing.
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30 Dec 2007 07:04:21 PM |
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On 31 Dec, 01:01, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:f6e4b79c-6377-4b89-af6a-
5d984ffff...@z11g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On 30 Dec, 23:06, wrote: refuting crazy
Claude.
My God! Two people now discussing why the world is flat.
Isn't it time to say that Nostradamus was a journeyman charlaten,
making a living through writing mumbo-jumbo?
Werewolfy
You know that short piece by patricia horseradish looked a LOT like
LeighBee's writing.
It does now you mention it Randy!
Heya Leigh! I should have guessed it was you.
Werewolfy
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30 Dec 2007 07:09:59 PM |
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Randolph Foreman thusly scribed the following highly entertaining
diatribe:
On Dec 31, 12:01=A0pm, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:f6e4b79c-6377-4b89-af6a-
5d984ffff...@z11g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On 30 Dec, 23:06, wrote: refuting crazy
Claude.
My God! Two people now discussing why the world is flat.
Isn't it time to say that Nostradamus was a journeyman charlaten,
making a living through writing mumbo-jumbo?
Werewolfy
You know that short piece by patricia horseradish looked a LOT like
LeighBee's writing.
Your damn right it does, Randy ~!
Especially when it starts with "Oh dear" ~!!!!!
That sounds like Leigh to a T, doesn't it ?!??!
But I'm sure Mr Leigh Ballaam wouldn't stoop so low as to use a female
name in a nom de plume, let alone a vegetable.
Perhaps he should call himself "Wasabi" ?!?!?
he he he ;-)
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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30 Dec 2007 08:08:02 PM |
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"=?UTF-8?Q?The_Last_1700_Days_=E2=98=BB_HOOROO_!?="
<sgdecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in
news:4080517e-f909-439b-a5ac-604584104635@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
Randolph Foreman thusly scribed the following highly entertaining
diatribe:
On Dec 31, 12:01 pm, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:f6e4b79c-6377-4b89-af6a-
5d984ffff...@z11g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On 30 Dec, 23:06, wrote: refuting
crazy Claude.
My God! Two people now discussing why the world is flat.
Isn't it time to say that Nostradamus was a journeyman charlaten,
making a living through writing mumbo-jumbo?
Werewolfy
You know that short piece by patricia horseradish looked a LOT like
LeighBee's writing.
Your damn right it does, Randy ~!
Especially when it starts with "Oh dear" ~!!!!!
Yeah, that's definitely signature LeighBee
That sounds like Leigh to a T, doesn't it ?!??!
But I'm sure Mr Leigh Ballaam wouldn't stoop so low as to use a female
name in a nom de plume, let alone a vegetable.
It makes you wonder if Leigh is really a "Mr"
I always thought Leigh was a woman. I believe (s)he's in France,
although I don't know that for certain.
Perhaps he should call himself "Wasabi" ?!?!?
he he he ;-)
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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30 Dec 2007 08:12:06 PM |
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On 31 Dec, 02:08, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
It makes you wonder if Leigh is really a "Mr"
I always thought Leigh was a woman. I believe (s)he's in France,
although I don't know that for certain.
He is a 'He' Randy. Last time he came to the UK we talked on the
phone. An Australian, living there..and a nice fellow too.
Werewolfy
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On Dec 31 2007, 11:09=C2=A0am, "The Last 1700 Days =E2=98=BB HOOROO !"
<sgdecember2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Randolph Foreman thusly scribed the following highly entertaining
diatribe:
On Dec 31, 12:01=C2=A0pm, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Werewolfy <Werewol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:f6e4b79c-6377-4b89-af6a=
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5d984ffff...@z11g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On 30 Dec, 23:06, wrote: refuting crazy
Claude.
My God! Two people now discussing why the world is flat.
Isn't it time to say that Nostradamus was a journeyman charlaten,
making a living through writing mumbo-jumbo?
Werewolfy
You know that short piece by patricia horseradish looked a LOT like
LeighBee's writing.
Your damn right it does, Randy ~!
Especially when it starts with "Oh dear" ~!!!!!
That sounds like Leigh to a T, doesn't it ?!??!
But I'm sure Mr Leigh Ballaam wouldn't stoop so low as to use a female
name in a nom de plume, let =C2=A0alone a vegetable.
Perhaps he should call himself "Wasabi" ?!?!?
he he he ;-)
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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Sorry it was me using someone elses puter but the sign in thingy was
only noticed after the send!
Happy New Year folks!
LB
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