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NBC: Explosives were already gone
NBC News says its crew was embedded with soldiers at time
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 Posted: 3:01 AM EDT(0701 GMT)
Officials fear the missing explosives could be used in bombings like
those occurring regularly in Iraq.

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(CNN) -- The mystery surrounding the disappearance of 380 tons of
powerful explosives from a storage depot in Iraq has taken a new twist,
after a network embedded with the U.S. military during the invasion of
Iraq reported that the material had already vanished by the time
American troops arrived.
NBC News reported that on April 10, 2003, its crew was embedded with the
U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division when troops arrived at the Al Qaqaa
storage facility south of Baghdad.
While the troops found large stockpiles of conventional explosives, they
did not find HMX or RDX, the types of powerful explosives that
reportedly went missing, according to NBC.
The International Atomic Energy Agency revealed Monday that it had been
told two weeks ago by the Iraqi government that 380 tons of HMX and RDX
disappeared from Al Qaqaa after Saddam Hussein's government fell.
In a letter to the IAEA dated October 10, Iraq's director of planning,
Mohammed Abbas, said the material disappeared sometime after Saddam's
regime fell in April 2003, which he attributed to "the theft and looting
of the governmental installations due to lack of security."
Baghdad fell on April 9, 2003. According to NBC, troops from the 101st
Airborne arrived the next day to find that the material was already gone.
Prior to the Iraq war, the high-grade explosives at Al Qaqaa had been
under the control of IAEA inspectors because the material could be used
as a component in a nuclear weapon, IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming
said. IAEA and other U.N. inspectors left the country in March 2003
before the fighting began on March 19.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Monday that five days after
the IAEA received the letter from the Iraqi government, the agency
alerted U.S. officials in Vienna, who in turn told National Security
Director Condoleezza Rice. She then alerted Bush, McClellan said.
Once U.S. officials were alerted, the multinational force in Iraq and
the Iraq Survey Group, charged with hunting for weapons in Iraq, were
both ordered to investigate what was missing and the possible
circumstances, according to State Department spokesman Adam Ereli.
"We, from the very beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, did everything
we could to secure arms caches throughout the country," Ereli said. "But
given the number of arms and the number of caches and the extent of
militarization of Iraq, it was impossible to provide 100 percent
security for 100 percent of the sites, quite frankly."
The news of the missing explosives followed an IAEA report earlier this
month that said high-end, dual-use machinery that could be used in a
nuclear weapons program was missing from Iraq's nuclear facilities.
"Our immediate concern is that if the explosives did fall into the wrong
hands, they could be used to commit terrorist acts and some of the
bombings that we've seen," the IAEA's Fleming said.
She described Al Qaqaa as "massive" and said it is one of the most
well-known storage sites. Besides the explosives, it also held large
caches of artillery.
Fleming said the IAEA, which is based in Vienna, Austria, did not know
whether some of the explosives may have been used in past attacks.
The IAEA said that before the war it inspected the Al Qaqaa facility
multiple times and verified that the material was present in January
2003. The agency said the material was mentioned in reports to the U.N.
Security Council that were made public.
Ereli said coalition forces searched 32 bunkers and 87 other buildings
at the Al Qaqaa facility after the war for weapons of mass destruction.
The troops found none, but did see indications of looting, he said. Bush
declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq on May 1, 2003.
"Some explosive material at the time was discovered, although none of it
carried IAEA seals, and this discovery was reported to coalition forces
for removal of the material," Ereli said.
Ereli said coalition forces have cleared 10,033 weapons caches and
destroyed 243,000 tons of munitions. Another 162,898 tons of munitions
are at secure locations and awaiting destruction, he said.
A senior administration official played down the importance of the
missing explosives, describing them as dangerous material but "stuff you
can buy anywhere."
The official noted that the administration did not see this necessarily
as a "proliferation risk."
"In the grand scheme -- and on a grand scale -- there are hundreds of
tons of weapons, munitions, artillery, explosives that are unaccounted
for in Iraq," the official said.
"And like the Pentagon has said, there is really no way the U.S.
military could safeguard all of these weapons depots or find all of
these missing materials."
The official said the Iraq Survey Group concluded that Saddam had no
weapons of mass destruction and documented the scope of the problem.
Threat from terrorists
A European diplomat told The New York Times that Mohamed ElBaradei,
director general of the IAEA, is "extremely concerned" about the
potentially "devastating consequences" of the vanished stockpile.
"The immediate danger" of the lost stockpiles is its potential use by
insurgents to make small, but powerful, bombs, an expert told the Times.
The expert said the explosives could be transported easily across the
Middle East.
According to the Times, the stockpiles missing from Al Qaqaa are the
strongest and fastest in common use by militaries around the globe.
The Iraqi letter to the IAEA identified the vanished explosives as
containing 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or "high melting point explosive,"
141.2 metric tons of RDX, or "rapid detonation explosive," among other
designations, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or "pentaerythritol
tetranitrate."
Fleming said the IAEA, whose mission is to keep track of everything with
potential nuclear weapons applications, had been monitoring about 100
sites in Iraq, but there were only a few of special concern, including
Al Qaqaa.
"This is a real massive quantity of explosives that could have reached
the hands of insurgents and could be used with deadly force and
consequences against people in Iraq," Fleming said.
"One would have to assume it's been stolen by someone who has some sort
of nefarious purpose for it."
Political fallout
With the U.S. presidential election eight days away, news of the missing
explosives quickly became campaign fodder.
Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry immediately seized on the information
to accuse President Bush of incompetence in failing to secure the
material, charging that "this is one of the great blunders of Iraq and
one of the great blunders of this administration."
But in the wake of the NBC report, the Bush campaign fired off a
statement saying that Kerry's criticism of the president over the
missing material has "been proven false before the day is over."
"John Kerry's attacks today were baseless," Bush campaign spokesman
Steve Schmidt said. "He said American troops did not secure the
explosives, when the explosives were already missing."
Schmidt also said that Kerry "neglects to mention the 400,000 tons of
weapons and explosives that are either destroyed or in the process of
being destroyed" in Iraq.
But Kerry senior adviser Joe Lockhart fired back with a statement of his
own, accusing the Bush campaign of "distorting" the NBC News report.
"In a shameless attempt to cover up its failure to secure 380 tons of
highly explosive material in Iraq, the White House is desperately
flailing in an effort to escape blame," Lockhart said. "It is the latest
pathetic excuse from an administration that never admits a mistake, no
matter how disastrous."
Lockhart did not elaborate on how the Bush campaign was distorting the
NBC report.
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<p><b style="font-size: 14px;">(CNN) -- The mystery surrounding the
disappearance of 380 tons of powerful explosives from a storage depot
in Iraq has taken a new twist, after a network embedded with the U.S.
military during the invasion of Iraq reported that the material had
already vanished by the time American troops arrived.</b> </p>
<p>NBC News reported that on April 10, 2003, its crew was embedded with
the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division when troops arrived at the Al
Qaqaa storage facility south of Baghdad.</p>
<p>While the troops found large stockpiles of conventional explosives,
they did not find HMX or RDX, the types of powerful explosives that
reportedly went missing, according to NBC.</p>
<p>The International Atomic Energy Agency revealed Monday that it had
been told two weeks ago by the Iraqi government that 380 tons of HMX
and RDX disappeared from Al Qaqaa after Saddam Hussein's government
fell.</p>
<p>In a letter to the IAEA dated October 10, Iraq's director of
planning, Mohammed Abbas, said the material disappeared sometime after
Saddam's regime fell in April 2003, which he attributed to "the theft
and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security."</p>
<p>Baghdad fell on April 9, 2003. According to NBC, troops from the
101st Airborne arrived the next day to find that the material was
already gone.</p>
<p>Prior to the Iraq war, the high-grade explosives at Al Qaqaa had
been under the control of IAEA inspectors because the material could be
used as a component in a nuclear weapon, IAEA spokeswoman Melissa
Fleming said. IAEA and other U.N. inspectors left the country in March
2003 before the fighting began on March 19.</p>
<p>White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Monday that five days
after the IAEA received the letter from the Iraqi government, the
agency alerted U.S. officials in Vienna, who in turn told National
Security Director Condoleezza Rice. She then alerted Bush, McClellan
said.</p>
<p>Once U.S. officials were alerted, the multinational force in Iraq
and the Iraq Survey Group, charged with hunting for weapons in Iraq,
were both ordered to investigate what was missing and the possible
circumstances, according to State Department spokesman Adam Ereli.</p>
<p>"We, from the very beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, did
everything we could to secure arms caches throughout the country,"
Ereli said. "But given the number of arms and the number of caches and
the extent of militarization of Iraq, it was impossible to provide 100
percent security for 100 percent of the sites, quite frankly."</p>
<p>The news of the missing explosives followed an IAEA report earlier
this month that said high-end, dual-use machinery that could be used in
a nuclear weapons program was missing from Iraq's nuclear facilities.</p>
<p>"Our immediate concern is that if the explosives did fall into the
wrong hands, they could be used to commit terrorist acts and some of
the bombings that we've seen," the IAEA's Fleming said. </p>
<p>She described Al Qaqaa as "massive" and said it is one of the most
well-known storage sites. Besides the explosives, it also held large
caches of artillery.</p>
<p>Fleming said the IAEA, which is based in Vienna, Austria, did not
know whether some of the explosives may have been used in past attacks.</p>
<p>The IAEA said that before the war it inspected the Al Qaqaa facility
multiple times and verified that the material was present in January
2003. The agency said the material was mentioned in reports to the U.N.
Security Council that were made public.</p>
<p>Ereli said coalition forces searched 32 bunkers and 87 other
buildings at the Al Qaqaa facility after the war for weapons of mass
destruction. The troops found none, but did see indications of looting,
he said. Bush declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq on May
1, 2003.</p>
<p>"Some explosive material at the time was discovered, although none
of it carried IAEA seals, and this discovery was reported to coalition
forces for removal of the material," Ereli said.</p>
<p>Ereli said coalition forces have cleared 10,033 weapons caches and
destroyed 243,000 tons of munitions. Another 162,898 tons of munitions
are at secure locations and awaiting destruction, he said.</p>
<p>A senior administration official played down the importance of the
missing explosives, describing them as dangerous material but "stuff
you can buy anywhere."</p>
<p>The official noted that the administration did not see this
necessarily as a "proliferation risk."</p>
<p>"In the grand scheme -- and on a grand scale -- there are hundreds
of tons of weapons, munitions, artillery, explosives that are
unaccounted for in Iraq," the official said.</p>
<p>"And like the Pentagon has said, there is really no way the U.S.
military could safeguard all of these weapons depots or find all of
these missing materials."</p>
<p>The official said the Iraq Survey Group concluded that Saddam had no
weapons of mass destruction and documented the scope of the problem.</p>
<h3>Threat from terrorists</h3>
<p>A European diplomat told The New York Times that Mohamed ElBaradei,
director general of the IAEA, is "extremely concerned" about the
potentially "devastating consequences" of the vanished stockpile.</p>
<p>"The immediate danger" of the lost stockpiles is its potential use
by insurgents to make small, but powerful, bombs, an expert told the
Times. The expert said the explosives could be transported easily
across the Middle East.</p>
<p>According to the Times, the stockpiles missing from Al Qaqaa are the
strongest and fastest in common use by militaries around the globe.</p>
<p>The Iraqi letter to the IAEA identified the vanished explosives as
containing 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or "high melting point explosive,"
141.2 metric tons of RDX, or "rapid detonation explosive," among other
designations, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or "pentaerythritol
tetranitrate."</p>
<p>Fleming said the IAEA, whose mission is to keep track of everything
with potential nuclear weapons applications, had been monitoring about
100 sites in Iraq, but there were only a few of special concern,
including Al Qaqaa.</p>
<p>"This is a real massive quantity of explosives that could have
reached the hands of insurgents and could be used with deadly force and
consequences against people in Iraq," Fleming said.</p>
<p>"One would have to assume it's been stolen by someone who has some
sort of nefarious purpose for it."</p>
<h3>Political fallout</h3>
<p>With the U.S. presidential election eight days away, news of the
missing explosives quickly became campaign fodder.</p>
<p>Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry immediately seized on the
information to accuse President Bush of incompetence in failing to
secure the material, charging that "this is one of the great blunders
of Iraq and one of the great blunders of this administration."</p>
<p>But in the wake of the NBC report, the Bush campaign fired off a
statement saying that Kerry's criticism of the president over the
missing material has "been proven false before the day is over."</p>
<p>"John Kerry's attacks today were baseless," Bush campaign spokesman
Steve Schmidt said. "He said American troops did not secure the
explosives, when the explosives were already missing."</p>
<p>Schmidt also said that Kerry "neglects to mention the 400,000 tons
of weapons and explosives that are either destroyed or in the process
of being destroyed" in Iraq.</p>
<p>But Kerry senior adviser Joe Lockhart fired back with a statement of
his own, accusing the Bush campaign of "distorting" the NBC News report.</p>
<p>"In a shameless attempt to cover up its failure to secure 380 tons
of highly explosive material in Iraq, the White House is desperately
flailing in an effort to escape blame," Lockhart said. "It is the
latest pathetic excuse from an administration that never admits a
mistake, no matter how disastrous."</p>
<p>Lockhart did not elaborate on how the Bush campaign was distorting
the NBC report.</p>
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adn thenew math	26 Oct 2004 06:39:23 PM

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.
They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing after
the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.
Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was not
searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to be missing
until after they'd left.
IOW - the material may or may not have disappeared into the hands of insurgents,
terrorists, or whomever, after US troops arrived, but it was the invasion itself
that created the situation where they became available. The real question is:
did Bush screw up just once (invasion) or twice (inadequate supervision of
weapons material)?
Woods
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	27 Oct 2004 01:15:41 AM

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss
J.

IOW - the material may or may not have disappeared into the hands of insurgents,
terrorists, or whomever, after US troops arrived, but it was the invasion itself
that created the situation where they became available. The real question is:
did Bush screw up just once (invasion) or twice (inadequate supervision of
weapons material)?

Woods

User: "Barbarossa"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adn the new math	27 Oct 2004 03:27:18 AM

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to be

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were found,
I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?
And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the USA/
UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq? There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the oil
stupid!
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
.

User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adn the new math	27 Oct 2004 04:15:02 PM

"Barbarossa" <fa073505@skynet.be> wrote in message news:<417f5b5a$0$25842$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>...

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were found,
I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

IAEA. They are buds with the UN. The UN were buds with Saddam. Get the
connection?

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the USA/
UK should have invaded Syria

No the European Gov. EU just agreed into letting Syria go on with
their WMD programs as long as they do not proliferate it. If you were
following last few week hot issues you would see that USA and the EU
has some differences [some BIG] in world outlooks.

instead of Iraq? There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the oil
stupid!

Bad reasoning. Most of the WMD for Syria allowed by the EU is chemical
and Biological. That has nothing to do with energy.
There is a lot more of this picture you have not grasped.

Kind Regards,
Barbarossa

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	27 Oct 2004 07:49:59 AM

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to be

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were found,
I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the USA/
UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.
But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".
- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,
- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.
The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the oil
stupid!

Idiot. It has nothing to do with the oil except for the means it
provided to the dictator to make war perhaps. You have never provided
anything credible to show how the US would take over or even get the
profits of the oil. You lie,. as you always do.
J.

Kind Regards,
Barbarossa

User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adn the new math	27 Oct 2004 10:34:12 AM

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:XPMfd.4020603$6p.670042@news.easynews.com...

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were

found,

I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the

USA/

UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.

But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".

- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,

- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.

The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the

oil

stupid!

Lies, lies and more lies.
Another Facist Weasel in meltdown. Tsk tsk ...
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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	27 Oct 2004 12:00:29 PM

Marvin The Paranoid Android a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:XPMfd.4020603$6p.670042@news.easynews.com...

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were

found,

I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the

USA/

UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.

But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".

- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,

- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.

The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the

oil

stupid!

Lies, lies and more lies.

Nah, this IS the truth.
Funny that all you can say is... nothing.

Another Facist Weasel in meltdown. Tsk tsk ...

Dream on, I debunk anti-semite assholes.
J.
.

User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adn the new math	27 Oct 2004 12:08:26 PM

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
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Marvin The Paranoid Android a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote in message
news:XPMfd.4020603$6p.670042@news.easynews.com...

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be

missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question

was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for

the

fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were

found,

I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN

information

rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the

USA/

UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.

But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".

- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,

- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.

The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's

the

oil

stupid!

Lies, lies and more lies.

Nah, this IS the truth.

Funny that all you can say is... nothing.

Another Facist Weasel in meltdown. Tsk tsk ...

Dream on, I debunk anti-semite assholes.

J.

Only in your facist dreams, fool.
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User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	27 Oct 2004 08:57:22 PM

In article <XPMfd.4020603$6p.670042@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to be

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were found,
I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the USA/
UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.

But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".

- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,

- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.

The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the oil
stupid!

Idiot. It has nothing to do with the oil

Oh, really? Mind explaining why the oil fields and Oil Ministry were well
guarded, but weapons depots and museums containing priceless antiquities were
NOT guarded at all?
Woods
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	28 Oct 2004 12:47:41 PM

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <XPMfd.4020603$6p.670042@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to be

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were found,
I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the USA/
UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.

But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".

- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,

- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.

The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the oil
stupid!

Idiot. It has nothing to do with the oil

Oh, really? Mind explaining why the oil fields and Oil Ministry were well
guarded, but weapons depots and museums containing priceless antiquities were
NOT guarded at all?

because they were the target of baath terrorists, dumbo. Like the
Kuwaiti Oil fields were during Desert Storm.
Get a fucking clue. Saddam unleashed ALL the fucking criminals of Iraq
in the streets and although unexpected, looting occurred but they have
recuperated everything, or almost.
Ads for the weapons caches, they have all been secured. There is one
that was looted probably by Saddam before the war. This is not the fault
of the US-led coalition. It was observed, and the fact is that they have
witnessed this when they got there, if it had been after, BTW, there
would have been trucks that would have been spotted and arrested, there
is only one road to baghdad from there. This is all make up stuff by
weasels. You are part of that squirming "weaselery" who betray your
leadership with lies for mere political gain.
I hardly see what is to be gained by a party that would be elected on
lies. But weasels see it differently. It would still be a disaster.
J.

Woods

User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	28 Oct 2004 05:10:00 PM

In article <1hagd.4095143$6p.682231@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <XPMfd.4020603$6p.670042@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to be

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were found,
I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the USA/
UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.

But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".

- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,

- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.

The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the oil
stupid!

Idiot. It has nothing to do with the oil

Oh, really? Mind explaining why the oil fields and Oil Ministry were well
guarded, but weapons depots and museums containing priceless antiquities were

NOT guarded at all?

because they were the target of baath terrorists, dumbo. Like the
Kuwaiti Oil fields were during Desert Storm.

You're completely missing the point. The choice to guard an asset (oil) instead
of protecting the US against terrorism (securing the weapons) demonstrates which
one was more important to Bush. If you have limited resources, you have to
prioritize - and Bush's higher priority was protecting the oil.

Get a fucking clue. Saddam unleashed ALL the fucking criminals of Iraq
in the streets and although unexpected, looting occurred but they have
recuperated everything, or almost.

Um ... if you recall, we discussed the release of prisoners here when that
happened. Most of the prisoners were unaccounted for, meaning they'd been
executed.

Ads for the weapons caches, they have all been secured. There is one
that was looted probably by Saddam before the war. This is not the fault
of the US-led coalition. It was observed, and the fact is that they have
witnessed this when they got there, if it had been after, BTW, there
would have been trucks that would have been spotted and arrested, there
is only one road to baghdad from there. This is all make up stuff by
weasels. You are part of that squirming "weaselery" who betray your
leadership with lies for mere political gain.

I hardly see what is to be gained by a party that would be elected on
lies. But weasels see it differently. It would still be a disaster.

Bush doesn't care how he wins, as long as he wins. So long as he keeps giving
great deals to his corporate friends, he gets more and more chips to cash in
later. He will be an extremely wealthy man after leaving office. And he did it
at the expense of US taxpayers and with the blood of our soldiers.
Woods
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	29 Oct 2004 09:14:38 AM

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <1hagd.4095143$6p.682231@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <XPMfd.4020603$6p.670042@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Barbarossa a �crit:

"Jean Guernon" <jguernon@globetrotter.net> schreef in bericht
news:h2Hfd.1909059$yk.315186@news.easynews.com...

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <b3pfd.3945035$6p.657596@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Nobody should apologize to Bush for calling him on his screw-ups.

They were there before the invasion, they were discovered to be missing

after

the invasion. Bush is responsible for that at the very least.

Meanwhile, MSNBC is reporting that the weapons material in question was

not

searched for when the US military first arrived, and was not found to be

missing

until after they'd left.

Duh, the UN didn't inform them. And you still blame your country for the
fault of the UN weasels screw up.... tss tsss

So, are you saying that when the other weapons and explosions were found,
I believe 99% you and/or MJM said, this was the result of UN information
rather than USA/UK information?

In fact it was the IAEA.

And if Saddam shipped lots of WMD to Syria, don't you think that the USA/
UK should have invaded Syria instead of Iraq?

Not "instead" of course. The invasion of Iraq was unavoidable after the
breaches of resolution 687e and the last chance resolution.

But there are many problem with that proposition besides the fact that
if it stuck, they would have gone playing the back and forth game if
they had been targeted "instead".

- Weasels at the UN would require a resolution, Syria is on the SC...
- Besides, they don't respect their own signature.
- Syria is not under any conditional cease-fire.
- Syria has no official obligation on WMD restrictions since they have
not signed treaties prohibiting them from having WMDs,

- They can't be forced to conform to one since, although they are an
occupier of their neighbors, it has not been a brutal ransacking of
Lebanon and so the UN has decided to merely sanction them, but not go as
far.

The upside is that they are privy to the non-proliferation treaty if I
recall, which might have been breached... especially if they don't
declare what they got.

There is a small problem.
Syria does not have lots of oil, Iraq has so what was it again? It's the oil
stupid!

Idiot. It has nothing to do with the oil

Oh, really? Mind explaining why the oil fields and Oil Ministry were well
guarded, but weapons depots and museums containing priceless antiquities were

NOT guarded at all?

because they were the target of baath terrorists, dumbo. Like the
Kuwaiti Oil fields were during Desert Storm.

Nah, YOU are missing the point. They were doing both.

Get a fucking clue. Saddam unleashed ALL the fucking criminals of Iraq
in the streets and although unexpected, looting occurred but they have
recuperated everything, or almost.

Um ... if you recall, we discussed the release of prisoners here when that
happened. Most of the prisoners were unaccounted for, meaning they'd been
executed.

No I don't recall that. Really? Care to provide a google link? Anyway,
it was pretty well accepted that they were in fact active and not dead
at the time of the invasion. This is a new twist...

Nah, this war was the only thing to do for any commander in chief and
doesn't profit him personally. All this is from the lowest weasels' lies.
J.
.

User: "Woodswun"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	30 Oct 2004 08:31:40 AM

In article <ifsgd.2048184$yk.339409@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Woodswun a �crit:

You're completely missing the point. The choice to guard an asset (oil)

instead

of protecting the US against terrorism (securing the weapons) demonstrates

which

one was more important to Bush. If you have limited resources, you have to
prioritize - and Bush's higher priority was protecting the oil.

Nah, YOU are missing the point. They were doing both.

Actually, they weren't. The facility that's missing the explosives was one of
the largest and better known facilities. The fact that it was opened up,
unsealed, and then abandonned for weeks at a time when the oil fields were
heavily guarded indicates that there was not even an attempt to guard weapons.
Woods
.

User: "Marvin The Paranoid Android"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adn the new math	30 Oct 2004 01:15:56 PM

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:0JMgd.31613$JS4.8339@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

In article <ifsgd.2048184$yk.339409@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Woodswun a �crit:

You're completely missing the point. The choice to guard an asset

(oil)

instead

of protecting the US against terrorism (securing the weapons)

demonstrates

which

one was more important to Bush. If you have limited resources, you

have to

prioritize - and Bush's higher priority was protecting the oil.

Nah, YOU are missing the point. They were doing both.

Actually, they weren't. The facility that's missing the explosives was

one of

the largest and better known facilities. The fact that it was opened up,
unsealed, and then abandonned for weeks at a time when the oil fields were
heavily guarded indicates that there was not even an attempt to guard

weapons.

Woods

They never had enough troops.
This is obvious and common knowledge to anyone not blinded by 'The Faith'.
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User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	31 Oct 2004 07:27:53 AM

Marvin The Paranoid Android a �crit:

"Woodswun" <woodswun@tepidmail.com> wrote in message
news:0JMgd.31613$JS4.8339@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

In article <ifsgd.2048184$yk.339409@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon

<jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Woodswun a �crit:

You're completely missing the point. The choice to guard an asset

(oil)

instead

of protecting the US against terrorism (securing the weapons)

demonstrates

which

one was more important to Bush. If you have limited resources, you

have to

prioritize - and Bush's higher priority was protecting the oil.

Nah, YOU are missing the point. They were doing both.

Actually, they weren't. The facility that's missing the explosives was

one of

weapons.

Woods

They never had enough troops.

This is obvious and common knowledge to anyone not blinded by 'The Faith'.

Franks decided how many troops, they secured 1000 times that amount of
stuff. And this is still under investigation. To make a case out of this
before the facts shows only weaseling.
Typical of Dems, isn't it.
J.
.

User: "Jean Guernon"
Title: Re: When will Kerry apologize for blaming Bush? was re: idiot adnthe new math	31 Oct 2004 04:51:31 AM

Woodswun a �crit:

In article <ifsgd.2048184$yk.339409@news.easynews.com>, Jean Guernon <jguernon@globetrotter.net> wrote:

Woodswun a �crit:

You're completely missing the point. The choice to guard an asset (oil)

instead

of protecting the US against terrorism (securing the