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Topic:	Science > Prophecies-Of-Nostradamus
User:	"InquiringMind"
Date:	30 Aug 2004 07:09:15 PM
Object:	Where is Nostradamus?

Hello all,
I'm new around here... So please bear with me if I don't follow protocol (if
there is one!).
I've been reading posts on this newsgroup for a few days now, thinking I
would find discussions on the prophecies of Nostradamus. To my surprise,
most conversations seem to be centered around bickering between a few
posters... Is this typical of this newsgroup or newsgroups in general?
It seems to me that things would be most interesting if everyone could kind
of stay on the topic of the prophecies of Nostradamus...
We live in very strange times and I do think it is a normal thing to want to
try and discover what may lie ahead of us, as inhabitants of this planet in
general. To me, the "prophecies" are just one more avenue to be explored.
Whichever way I look at it, our environment (wether political, social, or
geographic) seems to be inexorably changing or even degrading at an alarming
pace. I can't help but find parallels between what is happening and what has
been predicted umpteen times by various sources in the history of mankind.
It may be just coincidence, but it doesn't really matter.
This incessant arguing between posters (the latest topic seems to be
antisemism: what is and what isn't) seems to reinforce what I think is one
of the main causes of the state of things on this planet: constant pulling
of the blanket on all sides when in fact we're all missing the big picture.
Can't people let people be and start trying to fix the mess? There is way
too much hostility going on.
I'm probably oversimplifiyng but this is the way I feel. And I certainly
hope there is room in the "predictions" for an alternate future, one where
we grow up and look outside the sandbox.
Does Nostradamus speak of anything like that?
Thanks for reading
I hope my French didn't mangle too much of this post! ;-)
.

User: "Cuan"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	31 Aug 2004 07:26:28 AM

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:09:15 GMT, "InquiringMind"
<benlego@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello all,

I'm new around here... So please bear with me if I don't follow protocol (if
there is one!).

I've been reading posts on this newsgroup for a few days now, thinking I
would find discussions on the prophecies of Nostradamus. To my surprise,
most conversations seem to be centered around bickering between a few
posters... Is this typical of this newsgroup or newsgroups in general?

It seems to me that things would be most interesting if everyone could kind
of stay on the topic of the prophecies of Nostradamus...

We live in very strange times and I do think it is a normal thing to want to
try and discover what may lie ahead of us, as inhabitants of this planet in
general. To me, the "prophecies" are just one more avenue to be explored.
Whichever way I look at it, our environment (wether political, social, or
geographic) seems to be inexorably changing or even degrading at an alarming
pace. I can't help but find parallels between what is happening and what has
been predicted umpteen times by various sources in the history of mankind.
It may be just coincidence, but it doesn't really matter.

This incessant arguing between posters (the latest topic seems to be
antisemism: what is and what isn't) seems to reinforce what I think is one
of the main causes of the state of things on this planet: constant pulling
of the blanket on all sides when in fact we're all missing the big picture.
Can't people let people be and start trying to fix the mess? There is way
too much hostility going on.

I'm probably oversimplifiyng but this is the way I feel. And I certainly
hope there is room in the "predictions" for an alternate future, one where
we grow up and look outside the sandbox.

Does Nostradamus speak of anything like that?

Thanks for reading
I hope my French didn't mangle too much of this post! ;-)

I've popped in and out of this NG sporadically since 1994 and there
have always been deviant arguments. Granted, there were far more
Nostradamus discussions back then, but there has always been
irrelevant posts, as in any other NG. In alt.paranormal.pyramid, we
had the paranormalists arguing with the archaeologists - and well,
what does archaeology have to do with 'paranormal'? We didn't tell
the archaeologists to get out of *our* NG, quite like the
self-proclaimed exegete, Jean Guernon does.
I guess what is happening here does have something to do with
prophesy. This is the brink of WWIII, and regardless of when or
whether Nostradamus may or may not have predicted it, it is now upon
us, I believe. What you're seeing here, is a rather emphatic debate
over the alleged catalyst, the USA's foreign policy. The people on
the 'left' are emphatically trying (as futile as it is) to reverse the
progression of the imminent war by trying to convince the people on
the 'right' that their support for the US president will inevitably
plunge the world into a very bad war. This is where the term
"lemming" became a term of dispair used by the 'left' to describe
those arguing on the 'right' - basically because they'd follow their
president over a cliff, which I believe is a startling analogy of what
is, in fact happening. The problem with that analogy is that it only
caters for the 'lemmings'. In reality, the lemmings are, in fact
pulling all the non-lemmings over the cliff with them.
As the WTC collapse happened during one of my 'away' periods, I cannot
say for certain when this debate actually started. Presumably it
begun at that time. After a while, I believe those who could see the
imminent dangers of this "War on Terror", began voicing their
concerns, only to be countered by similar paranoia from those in
favour of it. When I returned, there was already a political debate
ensuing - and reading some of the points being made by the supporters
of the US position and having strong prior opinions about it, I was
prompted to enter into it myself. It began as a civil but emphatic
argument, only to progress to dismay at the apparent ignorance of the
'right'. Realising their view was unchangeable, civil communications
rapidly deteriorated. This is where we are today.
The topic under discussion is still prophesy related, imho - only,
we're not discussing the actual prophesy, but the things that were
prophesied. If you don't enjoy the debate on that issue, just read
the subjects before reading the thread and I'm sure you'll find some
specifically Nostradamus-related threads.
- Cuan
.

User: "InquiringMind"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	31 Aug 2004 12:32:50 PM

Hi Cuan, thanks for your enlightening response!

The topic under discussion is still prophesy related, imho - only,
we're not discussing the actual prophesy, but the things that were
prophesied. If you don't enjoy the debate on that issue, just read
the subjects before reading the thread and I'm sure you'll find some
specifically Nostradamus-related threads.
It began as a civil but emphatic
argument, only to progress to dismay at the apparent ignorance of the
'right'. Realising their view was unchangeable, civil communications
rapidly deteriorated. This is where we are today.

It's not the debate on the US foreign policy i originally had a problem with
(I do think it is highly relevant), it was this game of ping-pong about
anti-semitism. Both parties are guilty of the same thing here: total lack of
a will to understand or at least hear the other side's view. It is very sad
and ironic to me because in some ways, this exchange mimics the actual
Israel-Palestine situation. This is why the world sits where it is right
now. It is on the very edge of the same eroding cliff you mention in the
very accurate "Lemming" analogy.
Our technology-oriented societies certainly seem to have evolved greatly
over the course of centuries and millennia... but alas, the human psyche is
still the same as it was when when our race went from *sapiens* to *sapiens
sapiens*. And I think somehow, this comes through in the works of
Nostradamus, wether one believes they are prophecies or not. It seems to me
there is a lot of sadness and despair in his writings, and not much hope in
mankind.
Sorry to leave you on such a downer, but this is the way I see things at the
moment.
.

User: " John F Lemke"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	30 Aug 2004 08:12:08 PM

There used to be a lot of posts here from some seemingly astute Nostradamus
devotees. Since the July 1999 "prophecies" came to nothing the on topic
posts gradually dwindled away from their pre 7/99 levels. The "nuts"
started to run the asylum and drove some of the pillars of this community
away it seems. I was never a pillar. :-)
There are some admirable people that try to stir the Nostradamus pot but I
think the subject has gone out of vogue for good reason.
It seems to me that Nosty's time in the sun was never warranted. There
were/are very few experts here that could ever agree as to what Nostradamus
was talking about let alone agree that anything but a very small percentage
of his predictions ever came true.
Peter Lemesurier, a well-known Nosty expert, used to post here rather
prolifically. I think he left in disgust to start his own "serious"
moderated email forum. You might do better to check into that. I think
Peter felt that people took what Nostradamus said and basically tried to
make it fit what they wanted it to fit. That seems to be the case with all
the books and the movies etcetera: a money making fad that's run it's course
with little or no proven fulfillment of prophecy.
If you do check Peter out be forewarned, my interpretation of his posts
shows me that NOSTRADAMUS HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY DEBUNKED!!!!!!!
All the way to the powdered bones in his grave.
After 9/11 there was a Nostradamus hurricane that blew thru here. Remember
the fraudulent Nosty "prediction" shortly after the WTC and Pentagon attacks
that was flying around the net? What does that tell you about the relevance
of Nostradamus?
Maybe someone should start a lie from this group for a change. Spice things
up a bit. :-)
.

User: "InquiringMind"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	31 Aug 2004 01:24:33 AM

Hmm... I see your point.

After 9/11 there was a Nostradamus hurricane that blew thru here.
Remember
the fraudulent Nosty "prediction" shortly after the WTC and Pentagon
attacks
that was flying around the net? What does that tell you about the
relevance
of Nostradamus?

I think this says more about the people "quoting" Nostradamus!

There are some admirable people that try to stir the Nostradamus pot but I
think the subject has gone out of vogue for good reason.

I for one have never been a "believer": my religion, if I can borrow the
term, is science. But I do think the phenomenon of seeing, predicting or
foretelling what is to come is, in itself, an interesting concept: some very
strange findings came out of the "remote viewing" experiments conducted by
the US army years ago, for esxample. Not all of this stuff can be dismissed
out of hand.

Peter Lemesurier, a well-known Nosty expert, used to post here rather
prolifically. I think he left in disgust to start his own "serious"
moderated email forum. You might do better to check into that. I think
Peter felt that people took what Nostradamus said and basically tried to
make it fit what they wanted it to fit. That seems to be the case with
all
the books and the movies etcetera: a money making fad that's run it's
course
with little or no proven fulfillment of prophecy.

I saw Peter Lemesurier on a tv show not so long ago (I think it was a rerun,
though), and it struck me as pretty funny that he actually seems to try to
look like Nostradamus: he had the medieval haircut, the beard, and his study
is right out of a 13th century painting... This does not help his case in
making me think he is really credible... What would you think of a
paleonthologist who dresses and acts like a neanderthal as he is explaining
a most recent discovery? (Ok that's a little overboard but you get my point)
In the end it's a little sad because an interesting body of work is being
appropriated by charlatans and made into a "product". So in short, I'm not
sure at all I want to check out his forum.
What I was really interested in is a forum where "regular" people could
exchange their views and opinions about what they think of the whole
Nostradamus thing... and how it relates to these screwed up times we live
in.

Maybe someone should start a lie from this group for a change. Spice
things
up a bit. :-)

Here's one: George Bush will bring World Peace! ;-)
.

User: " John F Lemke"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	31 Aug 2004 06:59:19 AM

"InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BQUYc.278126$gE.51359@pd7tw3no...

What I was really interested in is a forum where "regular" people could
exchange their views and opinions about what they think of the whole
Nostradamus thing... and how it relates to these screwed up times we live
in.

Well, sir/ma'am, welcome.
I think the regulars that are conversant on the prophecies would really
enjoy your
questions and contirbutions. Claude and Jean and LB etc. Jean would be
likely to share things with you in depth but he's got a short temper when it
comes to liberals. Bud seems to be very well acquainted with Nosty and
others but he doesn't talk much. He's mostly the grumpy debunker type. Ask
some specific questions about the "Seer" and I'm sure they'll help you fit
right in.

Maybe someone should start a lie from this group for a change. Spice
things
up a bit. :-)

Here's one: George Bush will bring World Peace! ;-)

Yup, you're gonna fit right in . :-)

User: "InquiringMind"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	31 Aug 2004 12:15:33 PM

Well, sir/ma'am, welcome.

Thanks, nice to meet you all!
I'm starting to see maybe I was wrong after all... People seem to still want
to discuss things in a constructive, interesting way.

I think the regulars that are conversant on the prophecies would really
enjoy your
questions and contirbutions. Claude and Jean and LB etc. Jean would be
likely to share things with you in depth but he's got a short temper when
it
comes to liberals. Bud seems to be very well acquainted with Nosty and
others but he doesn't talk much. He's mostly the grumpy debunker type.
Ask
some specific questions about the "Seer" and I'm sure they'll help you fit
right in.

I don't know that I can contribute much in the way of *explaining*
Nostradamus, but I sure have my own views on certain things... and would
love to share intelligent conversations with people who have something
constructive to say...

Maybe someone should start a lie from this group for a change. Spice
things
up a bit. :-)

Here's one: George Bush will bring World Peace! ;-)

Yup, you're gonna fit right in . :-)

Glad you like that one... I wasn't so sure at first! ;-)
.

User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	31 Aug 2004 07:05:47 AM

"InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<BQUYc.278126$gE.51359@pd7tw3no>...

Hmm... I see your point.

SNIP

I think this says more about the people "quoting" Nostradamus!

Would you buy a vehicle fom these people?

There are some admirable people that try to stir the Nostradamus pot but I
think the subject has gone out of vogue for good reason.

We try, but then we have the "I know Nostradamus because I have read
the book"
Then we have the SDA take: "the Antichrist will get you"
Then all sort of New Age, but to me he was a futurist historian and
spoke of folk who came and went, ergo Usama his life and destiny:
C5Q55. In the country of Arabia Felix 1, There will be born one
powerful in the law of Mahomet: To vex Spain, to conquer Grenada, And
more by sea against the Ligurian 2 people.
1 Arabia Felix = part of Arabia now divided between Yemen and the Aden
Protectorate.
2 Ligurian = the Genoese or Italians by extension.

SNIP
What I was really interested in is a forum where "regular" people could
exchange their views and opinions about what they think of the whole
Nostradamus thing... and how it relates to these screwed up times we live
in.

Well keep trying and never mind the bug guts on the windscreen!

Maybe someone should start a lie from this group for a change. Spice
things
up a bit. :-)

Here's one: George Bush will bring World Peace! ;-)

Hey he has already said that.
LB
.

User: "InquiringMind"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	31 Aug 2004 12:35:21 PM

Hello Leigh,

SNIP

I think this says more about the people "quoting" Nostradamus!
Would you buy a vehicle fom these people?

I think I already have... and it's a guzzler! ;-)

There are some admirable people that try to stir the Nostradamus pot but
I
think the subject has gone out of vogue for good reason.

It's nice to know I am not alone here! I guess I'll just have to get more
windshield washer.

Maybe someone should start a lie from this group for a change. Spice
things
up a bit. :-)

Here's one: George Bush will bring World Peace! ;-)
Hey he has already said that.
LB

It's true that sometimes truth is is stranger (funnier?) than fiction...
.

User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	01 Sep 2004 11:30:48 PM

"InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<tF2Zc.273748$M95.131887@pd7tw1no>...

Hello Leigh,

SNIP

I think this says more about the people "quoting" Nostradamus!

Would you buy a vehicle fom these people?

I think I already have... and it's a guzzler! ;-)

Sure beats Shank's Pony.

There are some admirable people that try to stir the Nostradamus pot but
I
think the subject has gone out of vogue for good reason.

Well keep trying and never mind the bug guts on the windscreen!

It's nice to know I am not alone here! I guess I'll just have to get more
windshield washer.\

Remember no one commentator is entirely wrong, there are 1000 verses
to choose from just by statistical averages alone, never mind the Book
royalties!

Maybe someone should start a lie from this group for a change. Spice
things
up a bit. :-)

Here's one: George Bush will bring World Peace! ;-)

Hey he has already said that.
LB

It's true that sometimes truth is is stranger (funnier?) than fiction...

"Always"
Hey that CXQ72 thing it is about: General P Musharaff his life in
power, he who came to power from the skies in 1999, (See Origin of
April Fool:)
http://wilstar.com/holidays/aprilfool.htm
and how he uses the 3rd World debt to bring down the west.
Mr lucky in Battle
LB
.

User: "InquiringMind"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	01 Sep 2004 11:53:33 PM

Hey that CXQ72 thing it is about: General P Musharaff his life in
power, he who came to power from the skies in 1999, (See Origin of
April Fool:)
http://wilstar.com/holidays/aprilfool.htm
and how he uses the 3rd World debt to bring down the west.
Mr lucky in Battle
LB

So then it would be
deffraieur
and not
d'effrayeur...
If that is what you are referring to...
But who is "le Grand Roy d'Angoulmois"?
.

User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	03 Sep 2004 06:56:32 AM

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Keywords: Nostradamus, Anagrams, Quatrain X-72
Lines: 110
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 02:45:54 GMT, "InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com>
wrote about quatrain X-72:
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___D I X I E S M E. ------------
------------------ (�dition pr�tendue de 1568) ---------------
*
-------------------------- L X X I I. ------------------------
--------- L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois ----------
--------- Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy deffraieur ------------
--------- Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois. ---------------
--------- Auant apres Mars regner par bon heur. --------------
*

Well, needless to say I'm in way over my head here, me not being a
specialist at all. I went to your website yesterday and tried to understand
how you decypher the hidden meanings, but it's just a little confusing to
me... Thank you for your explanation, though.

All I can add to this is:
I hope you're wrong about August 13 2017...

Good Day,
I M

*
Hmmm, if I could correct this, just a little, I would say: I hope
Nostradamus is wrong about August 13, 2017....
*
And that's because this business of August 13, 2017, was
discovered not in Nostradamus' published (encyphered) texts but
in his hidden (decyphered) texts.
*
As a bonus, here are seven decyphered versions of this famous
X-72:
*
--------- En l'An M.N.N.N., une �clipse totale du Soleil -----
--------- fera vng Ciel noir � Verdun, auant Midy, le --------
--------- Mercredy Onze Aoust sans gloire, car ---------------
--------- on nyera ma Proph�tye sur le Grand U S. ------------
*
--------- En l'An M.N.N.N., une �clipse totale du Soleil -----
--------- surviendra vers Midy � Verdun : � Londres, ---------
--------- la Royne M�re d'Angleterre, au soir de -------------
--------- sa charmante uie, mourra peu apr�s. ----------------
*
--------- Le Comte de Paris qui meurt � Nonante Ans ----------
--------- n'aura veu son Filz Henry de France rire de --------
--------- ma rude prose sur la fin de Paris cuyt -------------
--------- par le Bon U S, car on en rit... apr�s sa Mort ! ---
*
--------- L'An Mil Neuf Cens Nonante Neuf, le Sept Mai, ------
--------- dans Belgrade, vne erreur d'vn C.I.A. idiot --------
--------- massacrera trop de Gens loing de l'US --------------
--------- osant tuer vne Ambassade par erreur ! --------------
*
--------- L'An Mil Neuf Cens Nonante Neuf voit mes -----------
--------- vers, icy, effraier les Gens, quand vn rude --------
--------- idiot annonce alors que mes vers, icy, -------------
--------- pas mon anagrame, tuent le Cher Paris. -------------
*
--------- En l'An Mil Neuf Cens Nonante Neuf, mon si ---------
--------- rude Oracle viendra en Grande France luy -----------
--------- annoncer le sort que son si Digne Amy, -------------
--------- le Grand U S, a pr�par� � Mon Cher Paris. ----------
*
--------- En l'An MMUU Sept, Paris n'osera en effect ---------
--------- �vacuer des Fran�ois d'icy malgr� vn rude ----------
--------- Oracle d'vng si glorieux Nostradamus... ------------
--------- apr�s qu'vn Atome d'Horreur rasa Paris ! -----------
*
So, if you are an inquiring mind, take out your Scrabble(R) game,
place on the board each line of X-72, one at a time, and try to
produce each corresponding line of these seven texts using the
following conventions: never write a decyphered word which would
miss more than one letter and always end up with a decyphered
line whose number of missing letters is equivalent to, give or
take one letter, to the number of unused letters in that line.
*
If you do that, you will understand how I found the seven texts
above, bearing in mind that this quatrain was not the very first
one I attempted to decypher, which explains why I was able to
find in it that many decyphered versions. But there is always at
least one version speaking of the circumstances of the unintended
destruction of Paris on... August 13, 2017, at 3:53 a.m.
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latr�mouille
*
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=== CLAUDE LATR�MOUILLE ===
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User: "InquiringMind"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	03 Sep 2004 01:36:52 PM

"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:ch9m5g$69v$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...

Keywords: Nostradamus, Anagrams, Quatrain X-72
Lines: 110

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 02:45:54 GMT, "InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com>
wrote about quatrain X-72:
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___D I X I E S M E. ------------
------------------ (�dition pr�tendue de 1568) ---------------
*
-------------------------- L X X I I. ------------------------
--------- L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois ----------
--------- Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy deffraieur ------------
--------- Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois. ---------------
--------- Auant apres Mars regner par bon heur. --------------
*

Well, needless to say I'm in way over my head here, me not being a
specialist at all. I went to your website yesterday and tried to
understand
how you decypher the hidden meanings, but it's just a little confusing to
me... Thank you for your explanation, though.

All I can add to this is:
I hope you're wrong about August 13 2017...

Good Day,
I M

I appreciate your explanation of the method used. I will play around and see
if I can't come up with something interesting....
And thanks for sending the extra versions.
Good Day
I M
.

User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	02 Sep 2004 06:15:16 PM

"InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<hHxZc.286346$M95.86153@pd7tw1no>...

So then it would be

deffraieur

and not

d'effrayeur...

If that is what you are referring to...

But who is "le Grand Roy d'Angoulmois"?

He has not emerged as he replaces the democracy or what is left of it
in France, and is the main opposition to the onslaught of the above.
All in good time Usama has not run his course yet.
Look not for climaxes, but hiccups.
LB
.

User: "Never anonymous Bud"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	02 Sep 2004 08:40:51 PM

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,

(Leigh_Bee) on 2 Sep 2004 16:15:16 -0700 spoke:

He has not emerged

The fact that you can't show one proves your interpretation is incorrect.
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User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	05 Sep 2004 11:28:11 PM

Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:<drifj09ng81nmkqloe9isn486ecmjghfp7@4ax.com>...

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,

(Leigh_Bee) on 2 Sep 2004 16:15:16 -0700 spoke:

He has not emerged

The fact that you can't show one proves your interpretation is incorrect.

Well I have the first king and his MO the second king just ain't
showed up yet, note I am not using his Mogul origins to show Mongol.
LB
.

User: "Never anonymous Bud"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	02 Sep 2004 12:36:13 AM

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com> on Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:53:33 GMT spoke:

So then it would be

deffraieur

and not

d'effrayeur...

If that is what you are referring to...

But who is "le Grand Roy d'Angoulmois"?

In his version, you simply ignore what doesn't fit.
X-72 isn't about the Middle East, or America, OR Clinton,
or most anything else offered by most of the amateurs in
this newsgroup
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User: "InquiringMind"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	02 Sep 2004 12:48:43 AM

So then it would be

deffraieur

and not

d'effrayeur...

If that is what you are referring to...

But who is "le Grand Roy d'Angoulmois"?

In his version, you simply ignore what doesn't fit.

X-72 isn't about the Middle East, or America, OR Clinton,
or most anything else offered by most of the amateurs in
this newsgroup

I'm not certain wether you are talking to me or LB here... but anyways. By
no means do I claim to be anything more than very new at this!
Is there an "accepted" interpretation of this quatrain?
.

User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	02 Sep 2004 08:38:54 AM

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 05:48:43 GMT, "InquiringMind" <benlego@hotmail.com>
wrote in part about quatrain X-72:
*

Is there an "accepted" interpretation of this quatrain?

*
Forgive me, O Other Anonymous One, but I seem to be recognizing a
pattern, here. Perhaps I am wrong, but here is the pattern:
*
1. A person using an alias different from one previously used
here posts in this NewsGroup.
*
2. That person pretends to be a 'new' poster to the NewsGroup.
*
3. That person begins by opening up a general discussion about
Nostradamus' works, baiting all possible responses, i.e.,
responses from those who might consider Nostradamus a fraud, and
from those who don't, from those who might consider Peter Ewart
Britton, a.k.a, Peter Lemesurier, a fraud, and from those who
don't; ditto about Jean-Charles de Fontbrune, etc.
*
4. That person continues by discussing quatrain X-72 (always that
damned quatrain), finally asking the very same question, worded
in a similar manner:
*
Is there an "accepted" interpretation of this quatrain?
*
So, forgive me if I have recognized a patterm which does not
exist, but... I generally have a rather good memory. Ah, yes,
that person also posts from 'Shaw Residential Internet'. :-)
*
So, if you don't mind asking the very same question over and
over, I don't mind giving the very same answer, over and over:
*
First the one and only original printing of this quatrain (idiots
have already hinted that there are other original printings of
it, but... there are none):
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___D I X I E S M E. ------------
------------------ (�dition pr�tendue de 1568) ---------------
*
-------------------------- L X X I I. ------------------------
--------- L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois ----------
--------- Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy deffraieur ------------
--------- Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois. ---------------
--------- Auant apres Mars regner par bon heur. --------------
*
As you can see in line 2, there is no apostrophe between the two
good French words "d" (for "de") and "effraieur". Which did not
stop most French commentators from seeing in that expression
these two good French words.
*
The question then becomes: who the hell does come from the sky in
July 1999?
*
Prior to July 1999, the first two lines of X-72 were generally
understood by most French commentators to be referring to the
total eclipse of the Sun of August 11, 1999. To achieve this
result, those clever commentators had to overcome two obstacles:
First, August is not the seventh month of 1999; and, second, an
eclipse has nothing to do with a great king of great fear coming
from the sky.
*
True. But those clever commentators moticed that August 11 falls
at the end of July, if one uses the Julian Calendar, the very one
in use during Nostradamus' life. So, August 11 Gregorian becoming
July 29 Julian, the eclipse would indeed occur during the
seven[th] month of 1999.
*
The other obstacle overcome by those clever commentators had to
do with Nostradamus' frequent use of word-based cryptic anagrams
in his original texts. For instance, the two good French words
ROY and NOYR are cryptic anagrams of each other, one meaning KING
and the other meaning BLACK.
*
So, if you re-write line 2 of X-72 using this very clever device,
you get:
*
--------- Du ciel viendra vn grand noyr deffraieur -----------
*
Which is exactly what a total eclipse of the Sun used to cause in
pre-scientific civlizations, i.e., a great fear.
*
So, with these two obstacles overcome, one goes to the two last
lines of X-72:
*
Prior to July 1999, line 3 was impossible to understand. So,
let's leave it for later.
*
At least 30 years before July 1999, I thought I understood very
clearly that line 4 was referring to a war happening both before
and after that eclipse. I was slightly wrong: in 1999, there was
a war before the eclipse and there was a different war after that
eclipse.
*
So, with this in mind, one could say that part of the quatrain
was understandable before the fact, but that line 3 had to wait
for the Spring and Summer of 1999 to be making any sense
whatsoever.
*
--------- Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois. ---------------
*
First, who the hell was the great King of Angoul�me? Answer:
French King Fran�ois 1er, of Angoul�me. Did he resuscitate in
July 1999? Of course not. What happened, then?
*
Well, if you add two words to the line, like this:
*
--------- Resusciter le [nom du] grand Roy d'Angolmois. ------
*
you get something extremely interesting. You get what actually
happened in July 1999: in France, the name of Angoul�me came back
in the news. How come?
*
It happened as a result of three events related to a branch of a
family of French royal pretenders. First event, the Count of
Paris died on June 18, 1999. On the very same day, his grandson,
Eudes, got married in a civil wedding. The third event happened
on July 10, 1999, when this same grandson got married at church.
This Eudes is carrying the title of Duke of Angoul�me. Get the
picture?
*
So, to read this quatrain in a clear manner, one could say:
*
1. In July 1999,
2. a total eclipse of the Sun shall happen
3. the name of the great king of Angoul�me shall resuscitate
4. and a war shall happen both before and after that eclipse.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
*
Claude Latr�mouille
*
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User: "Barbarossa"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	08 Sep 2004 07:53:07 PM

"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> schreef in bericht
news:ch77pe$e5p$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
<snip>

So, to read this quatrain in a clear manner, one could say:
*
1. In July 1999,
2. a total eclipse of the Sun shall happen
3. the name of the great king of Angoul�me shall resuscitate
4. and a war shall happen both before and after that eclipse.
*
Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!

Not really, because in 1999 almost no one considered the eclips
a "king of terror" or to translate it to more modern terms a
terrible event. Many many people cheered to this eclips and
visited Northern France to witness it. So, Nostradamus should
have had foreseen that people would not have considered the
eclips a terrible event.
There's another theory possible:
Furthermore, I am not that convinced that the year 1999 is
actually the year 1999 AD as we know it. In the letter to king
Henry of France Nostradamus says that he starts to count
the events by astrological means and to use as starting point
the year of the crucification of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was
not crucified in the year 0 or 1, Jesus Christ was crucified
in 29 "AC". So, if you take the remarks about Nostradamus
seriously that he uses as starting point the crucification of
Jesus then 1999 becomes the year 1999 + 29 is 2028.
Considering the world we live in today, considering the fact
that we are heading straight ahead to WW3 (or WW4 if you
call the cold war WW3), because natural disaster will turn
the world upside down and more and more wars will be fought
for oil under diverse guises of course it will be most likely that
in 2028, only 24 years from now a nuclear bomb or even a
bigger explosive will hit the Earth somewhere.
Kind Regards,
Barbarossa
.

User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	09 Sep 2004 07:19:52 AM

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 02:53:07 +0200, another brave anonymous disinformation
agent, "Barbarossa" <fa073505@skynet.be>, wrote about quatrain X-72:
*
-------------- C E N T V R I E___D I X I E S M E. ------------
------------------ (�dition pr�tendue de 1568) ---------------
*
-------------------------- L X X I I. ------------------------
--------- L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois ----------
--------- Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy deffraieur ------------
--------- Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois. ---------------
--------- Auant apres Mars regner par bon heur. --------------
*
[...]
*

*
The only problem with your reasoning is that... it is false.
Nostradamus did foresee that the August 11, 1999, eclipse would
bring fear into many people in France because he had foreseen
that this event would be used by an imprudent commentator of
quatrain X-72 to announce the destruction of Paris on that day.
*
Although many people (I do remember the French television
coverage of this spectacular astronomical event) did indeed cheer
at this eclipse, I also remember that, at one point, an opinion
poll taken before the eclipse noted that 9% of the people
surveyed said that they were afraid of the upcoming eclipse. As
France has about 60 million people, I would say that 9% of those
is quite a lot of folks.
*
As yo your reference to a 'king of terror', the post to which you
were responding had indicated that the cryptic anagram for ROY is
NOYR (king becomes black), so that line 2 of X-72 becomes:
*
--------- Du ciel viendra vn grand noyr deffraieur -----------
*
Something, of course, which you had snipped, as the mere mention
here of a cryptic anagram, even one as blatant as this one, must
be eliminated at all cost, as it reinforces the idea that
Nostradamus wrote his entire opus in cryptic anagrams. Well, to
shove it down your throat, I seem to remember one decyphered
version of this X-72 which does confirn what I was talking about
above, namely the imprudent prediction made by Paco Rabanne:
*
--------- L'An Mil Neuf Cens Nonante Neuf voit mes -----------
--------- vers, icy, effraier les Gens, quand vn rude --------
--------- idiot annonce alors que mes vers, icy, -------------
--------- pas mon anagrame, tuent le Cher Paris. -------------
*
If you can read French, you will note that Nostradamus, to fool
the disinformation agents which shall attack his decyphered
prose, uses no less than three different anagrams to write the
very same expression twice in the very same decyphered text.
Thus, you can read the words "mer vers, icy" twice, even though
to be able to hide these words twice, Nostradamus had to attend
to no less than three of his four encyphered lines. And the
fourth, of course, is the punch line: it is not his anagram of
X-72 which scares the good people of Paris in 1999, but his
original poetry as announced by... a rude idiot.
*
And if you can read French, you will also note that Nostradamus
writes the word anagram (in French, "anagramme") with only one
"m", eveywhere he uses the term in his hidden texts.
*
So, I would say that -- far from having explained X-72 in a more
coherent manner, you have followed the lead of a certain Peter
Ewart Britton, a.k.a. Peter Lemesurier, who knows perfectly well
that, if he were to admit that Nostradamus used in line 2 of the
original X-72 a cryptic anagram (ROY for NOYR), he would be
admitting that Nostradamus had indeed predicted the August 11,
1999, total eclipse of the Sun, thereby destroying his systematic
disinformation to the effect that Nostradamus had only predicted
the past.
*
Nice try, but your anonymous disinformation didn't work.
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latr�mouille
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559
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User: "Michael Johnathan McDonald"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	09 Sep 2004 03:29:43 PM

(Claude Latremouille) wrote in message news:<chphp8$obr$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>...

Your English cluase makes it difficult for us to understand *who* that
it is saying ''who far from having explained X-72 in a more coherent
manner'' or *whome* you are talking about in your repply. ;)
I personally would have stuck the subject noun in front of the main
verb ' having' then people would not be confused to 'who' or 'whom'
you are talking about - especially since you used the personal pronoun
I to indicate you at the beginning of your sentance. ;)
....then again, maybe you wanted it to be confusing? ;)
.

User: "Never anonymous Bud"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	09 Sep 2004 01:33:30 PM

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,

(Claude Latremouille) on 9 Sep 2004 12:19:52 GMT
spoke:

The only problem with your reasoning is that... it is false.
Nostradamus did foresee that the August 11, 1999, eclipse

So YOU say.
What ever happened to the nuke in the Aegean?
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User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	09 Sep 2004 05:10:03 PM

Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:<tg81k0tmnf4gemusgn84l9m1q93tj3spj8@4ax.com>...

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,

(Claude Latremouille) on 9 Sep 2004 12:19:52 GMT
spoke:

The only problem with your reasoning is that... it is false.
Nostradamus did foresee that the August 11, 1999, eclipse

So YOU say.

What ever happened to the nuke in the Aegean?

Well he has been checked rechecked, debunked, discredited, by just
about every serious Nostradamus student, but he still insists he is
right, maybe his games to him are, but to the average player, well a
rather mundane approach, and even more unlikely scenario, like Paris
is the problem or is central to it!
Eyes roll skyward, shakes head, and he wants to be taken seriously?
LB
.

User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	09 Sep 2004 08:52:00 PM

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:33:30 GMT, Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net>
wrote in part:
*

What ever happened to the nuke in the Aegean?

*
Hmmm, exactly this:
*
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559/1420_egee.html
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
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User: "Never anonymous Bud"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	09 Sep 2004 09:19:38 PM

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,

(Claude Latremouille) on 10 Sep 2004 01:52:00 GMT
spoke:

What ever happened to the nuke in the Aegean?

*
Hmmm, exactly this:

If you had ANY self-respect, you'd simply say "I was wrong".
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User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	10 Sep 2004 09:24:29 AM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:19:38 GMT, Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net>
quoted himself:
*

What ever happened to the nuke in the Aegean?

*
Hmmm, exactly this:
*
http://web.ncf.ca/cj559/1420_egee.html
*
Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latr�mouille
*

If you had ANY self-respect, you'd simply say "I was wrong".

*
Forgive me, O Anonymous One, for having allowed my standards of
self-respect to have fallen well below those which you profess to
practice, but I was under the impression that the process of
identifying the errors in the text earlier decyphered, then
correcting them, then publishing them as such, here and
elsewhere, would be a most rational process which would NEVER
attract any criticism whatsoever.
*
I was obviously wrong, as I had grossly underestimated the level
of stupidity of my detractors who, under one hand, keep telling
me that I am not a Seer/Prophet (a statement with which I fully
agree) and, on the other hand, keep wishing that I behave like
one, i.e., like one who ought not make any decyphering mistakes
*because* he is a Seer/Prophet.
*
For those wishing to understand the above, here is a re-post of
the situation with respect to Nostradamus' decyphered prophecy
about the unintended nuking of the Aegean Sea, on March 11, 2012.
*

Subject: Decyphering the future (1)
Date: 10 May 2004 01:30:00 GMT
Message-ID: <c7mluo$2v0$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>

*
When I began decyphering Nostradamus' poetry, I was convinced
that I would never be able to discover future events hidden in
these obscure quatrains, as a prime requirement for so doing
involves knowledge of names, dates, places, etc., something a
non-seer, non-prophet like me does not have.
*
After the discovery in thousands of decyphered lines of the
circumstances of the unintended destruction of Paris, other
future events also began to appear in some decyphered lines. But
the number of these lines was much smaller, thereby making the
degree of reliability of these findings equally smaller.
*
One of these future events concerns the unintended nuking of the
Aegean Sea, on a future March 11. At first, the year 2002
appeared in the decyphered lines. After that date had come and
gone, it was obvious that the absence of the precursor events
alluded to in the decyphered text had been overlooked, and that
the 'correct' March 11 would be... 2012.
*
The peculiarity of a particular decyphered quatrain only became
crystal-clear when viewed in the context of these incorrectly
decyphered lines. In one decyphered version of II-46, Nostradamus
was not referring to *his* anagrams, as he usually did, but to...
mine!
*
II-46 [1555]
En Mars Deux Mil Deux, Mon Paris subit l'anagrame
de Claude La Tr�mouille sus une Mer �g�e
aussi frite que Paris de la G�henne
(loin de la France) qui tue cent mille Grecs.
*
In March 2002, Paris did indeed suffer my anagram about an Aegean
Sea as fried as Paris by the Gehenna (far from France) which
kills 100,000 Greeks. What a strange situation to be in! On one
hand, I thought I had unwittingly contributed in my own way to
discredit the decyphered prophecy and, on the other hand, this
very decyphered text appeared to be saying that these incorrectly
decyphered lines were by me, not by Nostradamus, thereby
*confirming* the truth of the decyphered text!!
*
Prior to March 11, 2002, I had been puzzled at the fact that
Nostradamus was speaking of *my* anagram, whereas he was supposed
to be speaking of *his* anagram, but had not. Since March 11,
2002, I have known why: he was politely speaking of *my* mistake.
*
More recently, something else happened on March 11: the attacks
upon many Spanish trains by al-Qaida operatives. For a while, I
wondered if Nostradamus had used the coincidence of that date
with that of the Aegean Sea event of 2012 to link both events by
their common calendar date. After having toyed with that idea for
about a month, I finally answered my own question by decyphering
quatrain V-55:
*
------------ C E N T V R I E___C I N Q V I E S M E. ----------
------------------ (�dition de novembre 1557) ----------------
*
------------------------------ L V ---------------------------
--------- De la felice Arabie contrade, ----------------------
--------- Naistra puissant de loy Mahometique: ---------------
--------- Vexer l'Espaigne conquester la Grenade, ------------
--------- Et plus par mer � la gent lygustique. --------------
*
In the original text, the link between a powerful Arab and Spain
is clearly made. After March 11, 2004, this poem becomes an
invitation to find out if Nostradamus had something to say about
the Madrid bombings in his hidden text:
*
--------- La f�rocit� de ce Ben Laden ira --------------------
--------- tant loin le Onze Mars MMIU : il atacque -----------
--------- la Grande Espaigne, oncques la Mer �g�e ------------
--------- qui a eu le rude Atome Huit Ans apr�s. -------------
*
In approximate English, with asterisks between words no longer
used or spelled thus: 'The ferociousness of this Ben Laden shall
go very far on the Eleventh of March MMIU: he *attacks* Great
*Spain*, *never* the Aegean Sea which had the rude Atom Eight
Years afterwards.'
*
Although I was expecting Nostradamus to use the 2004 event as a
warning to the Greeks for the 2012 event, I was not expecting him
to link Ben Laden to the Aegean Sea event, as Ben Laden has
absolutely nothing to do with it. But Nostradamus is clever in
more ways than one. Although Ben Laden has nothing to do with the
Aegean Sea event, Nostradamus uses the date of the Madrid attacks
to point to the fact that Ben Laden never attacks the Aegean Sea!
*
And the only link between the two events is... the calendar date
on which they both happen, March 11.
*
We now have *two* confirmations of the correctness of the Aegean
Sea event: First, the decyphered text about 2002 confirms that it
is *my* mistake. Everything else in that decyphered text remains
valid: the Aegean Sea is still as fried as Paris by a Gehenna
which kills 100,000 Greeks. These details have not changed.
*
Second, the March 11, 2004, attack upon Spain become a
confirmation that the date of March 11, 2012, is the correct one,
as it happens eight years before the Aegean Sea event. One might
say: but you already know about the March 11, 2004, event; so how
can you use it to confirm the March 11, 2012, event? Answer:
Because I already knew about the Aegean Sea event, long before
Madrid was attacked by Ben Laden's fan club. And how did I know?
*
Answer:
*
I-83 [1555]
Quand la bien sotte Russie "tue Riga"
le XI Mars de l'An Douze, sa fus�e tue
cent mille Grecs attaqu�s sans raison et
occis par vne grosse erreur stupide.
*
II-3 [1555]
Lors que la chaleur de l'Atome Russe
cuit tous les poissons dans la Mer �g�e,
mes Bons Parisiens ne voyent le Danger
de l'erreur aussi Atomicque de l'Enfer d'U S.
*
II-5 [1555]
Une grosse fus�e d'Atome ira en Mer �g�e
pour y punir la Gr�ce (qui aura le sort
de Paris) en un Massacre barbare
d'autres Gens punis � tort en erreur.
*
II-22 [1555]
L'OTAN ne pourra pas partir de
l'isle Britannique de Chypre, assomm�e
par la phalange des Turcs en l'An
XII, quand vng fol Russe bombarde la Mer �g�e.
*
II-46 [1555]
En Mars Deux Mil Deux, Mon Paris subit l'anagrame
de Claude La Tr�mouille sus une Mer �g�e
aussi frite que Paris de la G�henne
(loin de la France) qui tue cent mille Grecs.
*
II-52 [1555]
L'Atome Russe tr�s stupide ira "tuer Riga",
si sotte erreur du XI Mars de l'An Douze,
car ma proph�tye dessus la Mer �g�e ne
sera pas creue de cent mille Grecs tu�s l�.
*
III-3 [1555]
Le Onze Mars MM Cinq & Sept, la Mer �g�e est
extr�mement occise vers midi
par l'Atome d'vn tr�s fol nauire Russe
esclat� loin de Paris... encor perplexe !
*
III-89 [1555]
Paris n'acceptera que l'Enfer Russe
dedans une douce Mer �g�e en Mars
MMXII est la preuue de la Proph�tye � Paris,
car le Doux Paris y est tu� par le Bon U S.
*
IV-32 [1555] - Greek alphabet in brackets
Le XI Mars II Mil Douze, la tant grosse chaleur
du rude Atome si fatal occira cent mille
�g�ens et, le rude XIII Aoust UU VII, trois
Millions � [Pa]ris ont le mesme affront.
*
V-27 [November 1557]
La Bonne Mer �g�e frira d'vng Atome Russe,
car dedans vn nauire son Pilote d�c�de
et son Atome chemine sur la Belle Gr�ce,
quand l'Atome de ce nauire vise... Riga !
*
V-55 [November 1557]
La f�rocit� de ce Ben Laden ira
tant loin le Onze Mars MMIU : il atacque
la Grande Espaigne, oncques la Mer �g�e
qui a eu le rude Atome Huit Ans apr�s.
*
V-90 [November 1557] - first version
La tr�s grande chaleur incendie les isles
pr�s du Pelloponnesse, l'Atome destin�
� incin�rer Riga le tant fol XI Mars Deux
M Douze estant tyr� chez une folle Russie !
*
V-90 [November 1557] - second version
Les Cyclades pr�s d'Ath�nes p�rissent de
la plus grosse sottise d'Atome de l'An
Deux Mil XII, vng Onze Mars pas fracassant
pour toy - � Cher Paris que l'U S met en Enfer !
*
V-95 [November 1557]
Un Atome Russe, qui est bien mal tir�
dans Riga vn si rude Onze Mars, occira par
maladresse cent mille Bons �g�ens,
empoysonnant en effect la Ch�re Gr�ce.
*
VI-84 [November 1557]
Quel rude Onze Mars ! La Mer �g�e cuyte par
la trop fi�re Russie atacquant
Riga quand elle torture la Gr�ce
lors que meurt le Pilote de sa fus�e !
*
IX-75 [1568]
Le XI Mars, le tant Beau Pays Grec
sera despeupl� par l'Atome Russe qui
sera une menace perp�tuelle pour
la Mer �g�e, victime de la sotte Russie.
*
IX-78 [1568]
La Gr�ce nye qu'elle aura l'Atome
de Russie qui cuyt la Bonne Mer �g�e, car
� Paris, l'anagrame n'est que th�orique
et les Grecs aiment bien mourir � Paris.
*
IX-91 [1568]
L'innocente et philosophe Mer �g�e fryt
le Onze Mars d'vne chaleur d'Atome et, icy,
� Paris, voil� les chapelles d'Ath�s
qui nient la G�henne de l'U S en France !
*
X-37 [1568]
Vng Atome de Russie massacre la Mer �g�e,
le Onze Mars de la si sotte Ann�e MM
Douze, car vng nauire Russe perd son Pilote et
a ung Commandant archi-imb�cile � bord.
*
X-39 [1568]
Le UUI Mars MMXII, la Mer �g�e chauffe pour
rien, car dedans vn nauire Russe, vn fol
Commandant tout excit� a chang�
le cap auant de brusler trop de Grecs.
*
X-49 [1568]
Quand vn Enfer de Mars Deux M Douze tue
la si Grande Mer �g�e d'vn Atome Russe
qu'on pense all� sus la Cit� de Riga,
mon Paris nye qu'il sera ex�cut� par le Bon U S.
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X-78 [1568] - first version
De toutes les bestes iniustices
� massacrer les Braues Hommes Grecs
occis ung XI Mars, l'Atome de Russie sera la pire
bestise osant annoncer � Paris l'erreur de l'U S.
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X-78 [1568] - second version
L'U S tire icy sa Bombe tr�s iniuste
comme la Russie, car la Mer �g�e aura
l'Atome de Russie destin� � brusler Riga, pas la
Concorde � Paris, bestement sinistr�e par l'U S.
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PR�SAGES POUR 1559 - D�CEMBRE (#46 transcribed by Chavigny)
Quand l'Atome Russe cuyra la Mer �g�e, l'An
Douze de ce UUI Mars, les Gens de Paris
seront rasseur�s � tort par vn tr�s Bon Ami
(l'U S) sus la prose d'vng idiot... Nostradamus !
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Clever, eh, this Nostradamus?!
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Claude Latr�mouille % -- "Claude! There ain't no stinkin' -- %
Le 10 mai 2004 ---- % cryptic anagrams in them dang verses,- %
APNCL#1420 -------- % ya hear?!" (A chorus of a.p.n. voices) %
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As you had told this NewsGroup that you can read French, O
Anonymous One, then the above decyphered text would certainly be
a most complete answer to the question you had asked at the top
of this post.
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As to your own standards of self-respect, I am sure that -- in
order to meet them -- you shall have no difficulty whatsoever in
sharing with us the titles and authors of the books you have read
to pontificate here about Nostradamus' prophecies. That way we
shall know once and for all whose self-respect you abide by.
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Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latr�mouille
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User: "Never anonymous Bud"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	10 Sep 2004 11:25:47 AM

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold,

(Claude Latremouille) on 10 Sep 2004 14:24:29 GMT
spoke:

Forgive me, O Anonymous One, for having allowed my standards of
self-respect to have fallen well below those which you profess to
practice, but I was under the impression that the process of
identifying the errors in the text earlier decyphered, then
correcting them, then publishing them as such, here and
elsewhere, would be a most rational process which would NEVER
attract any criticism whatsoever.

If you WERE rational, you'd have realized long ago that you were on the wrong track.
Most of us here do, why can't you??
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User: "Claude Latremouille"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	11 Sep 2004 12:22:25 PM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:25:47 GMT, Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net>
wrote:
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If you WERE rational, you'd have realized long ago that you were on the wrong
track.

Most of us here do, why can't you??

*
An interesting question, isn't it? Using the 'most of us here'
group as an authoritative point of reference for attacking the
encyphered nature of Nostradamus' texts, let's see where that
leads us:
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1. There is one anonymous poster who does not know French (he is
telling the truth about this, not you) but who nevertheless keeps
attacking the decyphered texts for the following reasons: First,
he notes (as we all do) that most of these decyphered quatrains
refer to events from our past (a very normal consequence flowing
from a prophecy lasting 460 years and having started on March 14,
1557). As we are living in 2004, most of the quatrains *must*
refer to our past, or else, I do not know arithmetic. So, this
anonymous poster attacks the decyphered texts on the ground that
they refer to the past (a quite logical consequence of the
above), his argument being that, as I am supposed to know the
past, I have used that knowledge to manufacture these decyphered
texts. Therefore, it doesn't count. Secondly, faced with many
decyphered texts clearly referring to events from our future,
therefore events which I am not supposed to know anything about
as I am supposed to know the past and not the future, the same
idiot also attacks these decyphered texts on the ground that --
not knowing anything about the future, I could not have found the
future in those decyphered texts. Therefore, that doesn't count
either. This retired British military ***** is among those you
are using in support of your statement above, i.e.,
*
If you WERE rational, you'd have realized long ago that
you were on the wrong >track. Most of us here do, why
can't you??
*
2. A second regular poster here doesn't know French either, but
keeps quoting a 1961 book to contradict everything known since
then about the world and about the decyphered texts. You said
that the date of that book (1961) doesn't matter. I therefore
take it that you also are using that book as a basis for your
pronouncements here, but are too coward to say so. At least, the
Aussie Moron sometimes mentions the source of his quotes. He too,
just like you, can't produce anything original about Nostradamus'
texts, as he, just like you, doesn't know anything about these
texts. Just like you, he borrows what he writes about them. He is
also among those you are using in support of your statement
above, i.e.,
*
If you WERE rational, you'd have realized long ago that
you were on the wrong track. Most of us here do, why
can't you??
*
3. Coming to those who can read French, there is a specialist of
the 'hit-and-run' who likes to make statements, but who -- when
challenged to substantiate these statements, suffers an amnesia
attack, thereby 'forgetting' to respond to these challenges. He
also claims to have my book (the only poster in this NewsGroup to
have made that claim) but when challenged to give the printing
date found at the end of the book, has declined to do so. So,
until he does so, I shall conclude that he did not tell the
truth. And he is also among those you are using in support of
your statement above, i.e.,
*
If you WERE rational, you'd have realized long ago that
you were on the wrong track. Most of us here do, why
can't you??
*
4. Another regular poster who can read French calls himself 'the
best exegete alive' of Nostradamus' texts. And he is also among
those you are using in support of your statement above, i.e.,
*
If you WERE rational, you'd have realized long ago that
you were on the wrong track. Most of us here do, why
can't you??
*
But the funniest past of your statement above is that it uses the
very people whose posts you keep attacking here as being on the
wrong track to support your claim that I am on the wrong track.
What makes you think, eer, you don't think, so let's rephrase
this: Why do you trust *their* judgment about what *I* write when
you don't even trust their judgment about what *they* write?
*
As to you, when are you going to be honest with this NewsGroup,
and tell them whose books you are using as a basis for your
comments here about Nostradamus' texts? This would help them
figure out where these ideas really come from.
*
After all, if I am on the wrong track, I cannot possibly tell
them that you are nothing but the anonymous mouthpiece of a
certain Peter Ewart Britton, a.k.a. Peter Lemesurier, who, for
his own reasons, has decided that Nostradamus was not a seer and
that his texts cannot possibly be prophetic.
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Have a nice day, ye all!
*
Claude Latr�mouille
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User: "Krib"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?	11 Sep 2004 03:39:19 PM

"Claude Latremouille" <cj559@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:chvc8h$23c$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...

1. There is one anonymous poster who does not know French (he is
telling the truth about this, not you) but who nevertheless keeps
attacking the decyphered texts for the following reasons: First,
he notes (as we all do) that most of these decyphered quatrains
refer to events from our past (a very normal consequence flowing
from a prophecy lasting 460 years and having started on March 14,
1557). As we are living in 2004, most of the quatrains *must*
refer to our past, or else, I do not know arithmetic.

Ah Fraude, such a transparent attempt in this lie. My point has always
been that *your* anagrams deliver an amazing amount of detail about
past events. You often say these details exist, (and we're talking of the
most exquisite minutae here, according to you anyway), to prove that the
seer was indeed a prophet. Details like his opinions, his reasons for using
certain phraseology or even how he used one term but actually meant
somehing completely different because it suited your little scrabble game.
Yet, and this is the crux of the matter, there is no evidence of any such
minutae
in the event that you insist *your* anagrams all relate to, i.e. the
extinction
of Paris by a US nuke. Now, according to you, the seer was able to name
famous people in our past history yet you cannot find the name of the "young
recruit" who makes such an egregious error that causes this destruction, you
can't supply the name of the sub nor the name of its captain or any crew
member
that sets off a nuke, (you have a thing for nukes clod?), in the Aegean Sea
despite this being, according to *your* anagrams, an important precusrsor to
the destruction of Paris. This same event had to be rescheduled by you
after it failed to occur on the date *your* anagrams said it would, after
revisiting them you were able to revise the date, (a very useful thing that
*your* anagrams allow). There are many other examples of the lack of details
and minutae from events you say are in *your* anagrams.
Now my point claudey is that the reason the past detail exists is because
you know what you are looking for from your little game and so can provide
these details, (even providing the wrong ones when your own knowledge is
lacking LOL!), precisely for that reason, and the reson these future events
do not contain such detail is obvious, you're not a prophet so can only
provide what you believe *your* anagrams tell you. Like you, it's simple.
So to sum up, the anagrams exist, any mass of text can be worked to
provide anagrams that suit a known event given the lax <cough> *rules*
you apply and given your propensity for lies and half truths
But they are your anagrams fraude and yours alone as will be proved when
chirac leaves office alive, the next Aegean Sea nuke doesn't happen,
(will you reschedule again after yet more changes fraudey?),
and Paris is not obliterated. Hopefully you'll live long enough to hear
the laughter at you when Paris survives ;0)
Oh but of course when it doesn't happen it won't be *your* fault eh
claudey? you've been very careful to specify that you only translate
the stuff... LOL @ such confidence ;0)

his argument being that, as I am supposed to know the
past, I have used that knowledge to manufacture these decyphered
texts. Therefore, it doesn't count. Secondly, faced with many
decyphered texts clearly referring to events from our future,
therefore events which I am not supposed to know anything about
as I am supposed to know the past and not the future, the same
idiot also attacks these decyphered texts on the ground that --
not knowing anything about the future, I could not have found the
future in those decyphered texts.

You're such a bad liar clod, I've explained my reasoning above and
also to you on the few occasions our paths have crossed but then I've
noticed that, like the other self proclaimed experts in here, your ego
outshines your intellect by a huge margin and blinds you to the truth.

Therefore, that doesn't count
either. This retired British military ***** is among those you
are using in support of your statement above, i.e.,

You sure have a thing about my military service don't you latremouille,
why's that then? does it bother you for some reason? do you think being
invalided from the railroads makes you special and better than everyone
else in some way? what has my military service to do with any of this?
I see you also address the messenger and not the message, so how do you
explain the lack of details in *your* anagrams then latremouille? how
is it you cannot provide anything other than sparse information for
your proclaimed future events when anything from the past has such
rich detail?
Tsk tsk, old age and Nostradamus do not make a good mixture,
you old bastards just can't face facts can you? Here's wishing
you survive your dotage just long enough to see your failure ;0)
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User: "Leigh_Bee"
Title: Re: Where is Nostradamus?