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Who will stop World War III ?!?!? |
Hi peoplez !!!
Found this on the truly wondrous WWW -- think it's off some kind of
discussion group,
but the issues related herein are both informative & profound & very
timely given the current
crisis over the Iranian nuclear issue....
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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The original of the following article appeared on the website:
www.dailykos.com/
Who Will Stop World War III?
by goinsouth
Tue May 09, 2006 at 06:09:35 AM PDT
Since Seymour Hersh exposed the Bush administration's plans to attack
Iran, the dKos community has recognized the gravity of this threat and
responded more than 500 times with information, analysis and calls to
action (since 4/08, 527 diaries and 6 articles where the words "Iran"
and "nuclear" appear). The level of interest and concern is more than
justified by both the evidence that the Bush administration is
determined to expand their "World War III" and also the disastrous
consequences that would result for Americans, Iranians and the rest of
the world.
In FAQs form below the fold, here are where things stand now:
goinsouth's diary :: ::
Is stopping the Bush administration's plan to attack Iran really the
most important issue facing the U. S. and the world right now?
Many people in the U. S. are feeling overwhelmed by day-to-day problems
like the gas prices and interest rates that are moving up at the same
time as the value of their homes and the few dollars left in their
pockets is dropping. Another Bush adventure on the other side of the
world may not seem seem as critical as making the next mortgage
payment, but the experts tell us that a war against Iran would not be
like the "shop while you support the troops" experience of Iraq where
the military and their families bear most of the burden of the war.
Here are some of the consequences we've been warned about:
skyrocketing energy prices and crashing financial markets as Iranian
production is interrupted
Jerome a Paris diaried a terrifying scenario last week about what would
happen if a friendly nation like Norway merely threatened to disrupt
its production for a day to "make a point." In the comments, he was
asked if his fictional narrative was meant as a metaphor for what would
happen if Iran were attacked, for example, in September. "Same volume,
same stakes," he responded. Read that dairy to understand how an
attack on Iran would affect your life almost immediately, and read
Hersh and this to better understand how Iran could cut off, at least
temporarily, as much as 40% of the world's oil supply.
There is additional cause for concern about what China, being all but
shoved by Washington into allying with Iran, would do about the U. S.
debt it holds.
terrorists attacks against the U. S. and Israel
Richard Clarke and Steven Simon wrote in the New York Times:
Iran has forces at its command that are far superior to anything
al-Qaeda was ever able to field. The Lebanese terrorist organization
Hizbullah has a global reach, and has served in the past as an
instrument of Iran.
a disaster for U. S. troops currently in Iraq and Afghanistan
Clarke and Simon also believe that Iran could respond to an attack by
calling on allied forces like tha Badr Brigade to step up attacks on
American troops in Iran, thus turning them into, as Riverbend put it,
150,000 hostages in Iraq.
Tin hat mafia has pointed to the Physicians for Social Responsibility
study that warned that the 20,000 American troops in Afghanistan would
be exposed to radiation from any use of nuclear "bunker buster" weapons
that Hersh says are "on the table" for use in the attack on Iran.
a cataclysm for the people of Iran and beyond
STOP George has documented the horrifying effects that the use of
so-called "tactical" nuclear weapons would have on the Iranian people
and those in the downwind fallout areas.
Considering the warnings of these experts, is Iran not the most
important issue facing the world right now?
Is the Bush administration really this crazy, or are they just beating
the war drum to force Iran to back down or for the domestic consumption
of their political base here in the U. S.?
Respected journalists and analysts don't think this is a bluff. Hersh
writes about Bush's state of "mind":
the President believes that he must do "what no Democrat or Republican,
if elected in the future, would have the courage to do," and "that
saving Iran is going to be his legacy.
Clarke and Simon claim that:
the current level of activity in the Pentagon suggests more than just
standard contingency planning or tactical saber-rattling.
Colonel Sam Gardiner, an active war game planner, says:
The issue is not whether the military option would be used but who
approved the start of operations already.
The Bush administration's behavior indicates planning is well advanced
and that there is nothing that would deter them from launching an
attack. Secretary of State Rice has been busy trying to persuade
Turkey and Bulgaria to allow U. S. bombers to use airbases and airspace
for an attack. All U S. sources today dismissed out of hand a letter
from Ahmadinejad that could have been used as opening to pursue
negotations. Vice President Cheney, instead of trying to win Russian
support for the U. N. sanctions that the administration ostensibly
wants, is doing his best to insult and threaten the Putin government.
Bush himself has been in Germany, and he is apparently having some
success in convincing Germans that he's changed. Der Spiegel writes:
Bush is running out of time, and not just because the end of his term
is approaching. He knows it as well as anyone. Sometimes he speaks like
an old man mellowed by the passage of time, pointing out not every
problem in the world can be solved immediately. Is this still the same
Bush that Old Europe feared as a crazy cowboy?
What the Germans don't realize is that the lower Bush's approval
ratings sink, the more dangerous he becomes as long as he remains in
office.
Will the international community be able to head off war?
Many breathed a sigh of relief a few weeks ago when British Foreign
Secretary Jack Straw called an attack on Iran, especially a nuclear
attack, "nuts." His statement fit with Hersh's assessment that Blair
and the British were refusing to support Bush's new venture, thus
raising hopes that the Americans would be reluctant to attack with
backing from its staunchest ally in the "war on terror."
Straw is gone now, and smintheus has written here about how his
statements about Iran and the Bush adminstration's "influence" over the
Blair government are the reason. Do not look for Britain to be
anything but supportive of the march to war.
What about France and Germany who had the nerve to oppose Bush's Iraq
adventure? France has joined the U. S. in drafting a resolution under
Chapter 7 of the U. N. Charter, the same chapter that the Bush
administration claims authorized its attack on Iraq. Gerhardt
Schroeder, the most outspoken critic of the Iraq war, is gone and
replaced by the conservative Angela Merkel, whom Bush calls "Angela"
and praises in the same terms as he once did Putin.
Russia and China will oppose the U. N. proposal, but that will hasten
war, not halt it. It's likely that UN Ambassador John Bolton already
has his "the UN has failed" speech written in anticipation of the
completion of the administration's next step to war with Iran.
As for the rest of a world tired of U. S. bullying, it may just stand
by and let America commit what amounts to suicide.
Surely the press won't be used again the way it was used in the run-up
to Iraq?
There were some early cautionary editorials and opeds in major
newspapers within the first week or two of Hersh's article, but since
then, the Murdoch press and the rest of the SCLM have been doing the
Bush administration's bidding. There was the "16 days to Iranian bomb"
headline. Joe Klein was ready to "nuke" Iran until Alterman called him
on it. The WSJ is ready to go to all-out war.
And just like four years ago, it's working. The recent LA Times poll
showed the main uncertainty among the American people was whether we
should just bomb or go in with ground troops. Only 20% opposed
military action.
The military will refuse to carry out Bush's order, won't they?
One mark of how desperate things have become is that this has become a
major argument of those who discount the risk of war against Iran.
Quicklund's diary of a few weeks ago expanded on Hersh's suggestion
that some in the military were resisting Bush, especially on the use of
nuclear weapons. As scary as the proposition is that we must rely on
women and men trained to take orders to resist policy set by the
President, even Quicklund suggests that members of the military cannot
carry the entire burden by themselves without Congressional and public
support at some point.
Won't the Congress stand up to Bush this time?
That's still up for grabs. Diane Feinstein did write an oped published
in the LA Times in mid-April standing firmly against another use of
pre-emptive war and especially the use of nuclear weapons, but since
then, things have been mostly downhill. You read here about the House
voting 397=21 on April 28 for the Iran Freedom Support Act that
Kucinich called a "stepping stone to war." You read here about the 20
current Democratic Senators listed as cosponsors of the similar Senate
version of that bill. Since that diary was posted, Santorum attempted
unsuccessfully to attach some version of it as a rider to an emergency
appropriations bill. I have been looking in vain for a diary or
front-page article from some of the people far more expert than I
detailing for us the current status of legislative efforts in the House
and Senate related to Iran.
Raw Story has reported"
As the Bush Administration ups rhetoric and news reports signal the
Pentagon has developed detailed plans for a possible military strike,
the opposition party's leading lights have remained silent. Democratic
insiders say they don't want to rush to judgment without getting the
facts, but the issue has received scant attention from Democrats in
Congress.
Most Democratic offices declined to comment for this story. Many said
they couldn't comment because their congressperson was away for Easter
recess, though they were eager to talk about other issues or criticize
the Bush Administration's approach. Aides said they weren't able to
speak on the record or on background, and even some who have often
commented anonymously in RAW STORY articles did not return calls for
comment.
There is no formal consensus among Democrats on Iran. One Democrat -
Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) - has endorsed the possibility of using
airstrikes to "delay" Iran's nuclear program, though most are more
vague, saying they won't take "any options" off the table. And they
appear to be serious: Not even the Democrats' liberal heavyweight in
the House, Nancy Pelosi, has ruled out the possibility of using nuclear
weapons, keeping "all options" on the table, an aide said.
It seems that Welshman and epluribusmedia met with the same
stonewalling response as Raw Story.
Here's how Billmon summed it up:
Profiles in Chicken *****
The congressional Dems show us what they're made of. Now if you'll
excuse me, I'm going to go scrape the rest of it off my shoes.
But some Democrats are taking action. Congressman DeFazio, one of the
21 who voted against the Iran Freedom Support Act, has introduced HRC
391, a joint resolution making clear that Bush must come to the
Congress for authorization before attacking Iran. This has also been
diaried at dKos with a call for action by readers to call Congressional
offices.
Is it time to head to the streets for non-violent protest?
Juan Cole has pleaded with U. S. students to take to the streets to
stop the war, but there is remarkably some disagreement within the
ranks of the "peace movement" about how to address the Iran situation.
With college campuses emptying soon, the Bush administration will be
more free to act, as Nixon learned in May, 1970.
Can't all this wait until we win back the House and/or Senate in the
fall?
It would certainly make things simpler if we could wait. Democrats
wouldn't be forced to stand up to donors and voters who support action
against Iran, but the timing isn't up to those Democrats or to us--it's
up to Bush and to some extent, the Iranians.
Here are four reasons I think the question may be moot by November:
If Hersh is right about Bush's determination to go to war, will it be
easier for him before or after a possible Democratic takeover of one or
both houses of Congress?
If this line of thinking is correct, then the worse Bush's and the
Republicans' poll numbers get, the sooner the new war will come.
Blair's situation is precarious, and the support of Britain can't be
counted on indefinitely.
Blair may face a revolt by more leftist members of Labour in
Parliament. At least one option for them is to join with the Tories in
a "no confidence" vote that would put Blair out and force new
elections.
Attacking Iran may be part of the Republican strategy for holding on to
the Congress.
John Dean has been around an Oval Office out of control. He is certain
that Bush and Co. will try something to hold on to power and avoid the
Congressional investigations that would follow a Democratic victory.
One possibility:
Bush may mount a unilateral attack on Iran's nuclear facilities -
hoping to rev up his popularity. (It's a risky strategy: A unilateral
hit on Iran may both trigger devastating Iran-sponsored terrorist
attacks in Iraq, with high death tolls, and increase international
dislike of Bush for his bypass of the U.N. But as an active/negative
President, Bush hardly shies away from risk.)
The chance for another "Gulf of Tonkin" incident.
Remember how Bush and Blair were ready to paint airplanes to draw Iraqi
fire and produce a pretext for war? There are plenty of opportunities
for the same thing now with Iran:
{May 1)The HMS Bulwark, Her Majesty Elizabeth II's most
state-of-the-art warship, has been bobbing at the mouth of the Shatt
al-Arab River for days. With its crew of more than 600 men, the
amphibious ship, outfitted with landing craft and the latest
technology, has a mission in fragile spots in the Persian Gulf -- but
nothing happens. The coasts of Kuwait, Iraq and Iran are dimly visible
on the horizon. The sea is calm as a dozen fishing boats crisscross the
waters around the ship. Sometimes the calm lasts for days.
And then, suddenly, after weeks of monotony, something does happen.
Four Iranian patrol boats traveling at high speeds -- 45 knots, or
about 80 kilometers per hour (50 mph) -- approach the Bulwark from the
East. They're manned by members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards --
not regular navy personnel. It's considered an ominous sign.
It's all about timing. dwahzon wrote an important but not widely read
diary about a Ray McGovern speech just after the Hersh article
appeared. McGovern urged his listeners to take action now, especially
pressuring members of Congress, because the time was short. dwahzon
notes and links McGovern's citation of Martin Luther King, Jr. speaking
about time:
"A time comes when silence is betrayal." And that time has come for us
in relation to Vietnam...These are the times for real choices and not
false ones. We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the
line if our nation is to survive its own folly. Every man of humane
convictions must decide on the protest that best suits his convictions,
but we must all protest...We are now faced with the fact, my friends,
that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of
now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history, there is such a
thing as being too late. Procrastination is still the thief of time.
Life often leaves us standing bare, naked, and dejected with a lost
opportunity. The tide in the affairs of men does not remain at flood --
it ebbs. We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage,
but time is adamant to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached
bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the
pathetic words, "Too late." There is an invisible book of life that
faithfully records our vigilance or our neglect. Omar Khayyam is right:
"The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on."
Those who continually counsel "wait until we win the next election" may
find that the world as they know it comes to an end even as they tally
the contributions and canvass the neighborhoods. In another
generation, courageous people like Martin Luther King, George McGovern,
and Gloria Steinem knew they could not wait until some ideal time to
stand up against an unjust war because "there is such a thing as being
too late."
What then must we do?
Pressure Congress. HRC 391 is on the table and dKos has the
information here about how you can help. Get Senators to make it
absolutely unambiguous that they do not support military action against
Iran by taking their names off any Republican-sponsored bills that
smack of regime change.
Do everything possible to make this the most talked about issue in the
progressive community, in your neighborhood, in your state, in America
and in the world. The glare of public attention will increase the cost
for the warmakers.
Organize protests.
Be creative.
We have no real influence over the Bush administration, international
leaders or our own military commanders, but the time is now to
influence public opinion and Congress, the last, best hopes for
avoiding World War III. Let it not be written of the efforts to stop
another escalation of the madness, "Too late."
UPDATED
I'm encouraged by the supportive comments, but let me suggest that if
you have a link to an action item, put it in the comment title. This
diary can serve as a collection point since it's made the Rec list for
a while.
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03 Jun 2006 02:28:37 AM |
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The person that ENDs WW III hasn't even made her(his) presence known
yet.
This person's appearance won't happen for at least another 6-8
years.
Just A Thought.
:-)
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03 Jun 2006 04:07:35 AM |
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Is it me?
"K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:uSagg.4030$EF1.286112@news20.bellglobal.com...
The person that ENDs WW III hasn't even made her(his) presence known
yet.
This person's appearance won't happen for at least another 6-8
years.
Just A Thought.
:-)
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03 Jun 2006 05:43:48 AM |
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mkufjg wrote:
"Is it me?"
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;) I was about to write exactly that Mondo..!
Grins.
Werewolfy
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03 Jun 2006 11:23:35 AM |
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"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1149331428.417481.246890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
mkufjg wrote:
"Is it me?"
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;) I was about to write exactly that Mondo..!
Grins.
Werewolfy
Were either of you formed in the belly of a Rottweiler?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.heedtheomen.com/
Be patient, his day will come.
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| User: "K Miller" |
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04 Jun 2006 02:54:45 AM |
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Can't say you didn't WALK into that one Wolfy. ;-)~
If you had been "Up To Date" on your "Revelations (and other)
Prophecies"; you would have known about that 'Prediction' long ago
!!!
;-)
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| User: "Werewolfy" |
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04 Jun 2006 01:22:46 PM |
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K Miller wrote:
Can't say you didn't WALK into that one Wolfy. ;-)~
If you had been "Up To Date" on your "Revelations (and other)
Prophecies"; you would have known about that 'Prediction' long ago
!!!
;-)
Oh dear...I admit that I know absolutely nothing about 'Revelations'
Born from a dog? Ah well.
Werewolfy
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03 Jun 2006 11:17:07 PM |
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I hope U r not going to actually *pay* to go & watch that
bunch of gerbilfricking crapola at your local cinema on the 6th of
June, 2006, John !!
I thought U would be a little more discerning than that !
Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh !!! Look at this hideously
sub-human parasitic
hook-nosed mutant !!!!!
http://www.lievschreiber.org/index.shtml
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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John Lemke wrote:
"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1149331428.417481.246890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
mkufjg wrote:
"Is it me?"
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;) I was about to write exactly that Mondo..!
Grins.
Werewolfy
Were either of you formed in the belly of a Rottweiler?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.heedtheomen.com/
Be patient, his day will come.
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04 Jun 2006 12:44:05 AM |
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"¿ World War III 2006 [The Last 2300 Days]?T"
<stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1149394627.386942.121050@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I hope U r not going to actually *pay* to go & watch that
bunch of gerbilfricking crapola at your local cinema on the 6th of
June, 2006, John !!
I thought U would be a little more discerning than that !
Not to worry, Wally, I wouldn't waste time nor money to see this one.
I saw the first version many years ago when it first came out. Left the
theatre with bruises all over my arm. Girlfriend at the time needed
something to grab onto when the scary parts got bad.
I recall bad reviews for the first one but it now seems to be regarded as a
classic of sorts. Man, do we ever grow with time.
HOOROO!!!!!!!!!!
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04 Jun 2006 12:51:59 AM |
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I'm a **HUMUNGOUS** Gregory Peck fan !!!
Have U seen the movies Moby ***** & On The Beach
from the late 1950's era ?!?!?
Classics !!!
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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John Lemke wrote:
"=C2=BF World War III 2006 [The Last 2300 Days]?T"
<stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1149394627.386942.121050@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I hope U r not going to actually *pay* to go & watch that
bunch of gerbilfricking crapola at your local cinema on the 6th of
June, 2006, John !!
I thought U would be a little more discerning than that !
Not to worry, Wally, I wouldn't waste time nor money to see this one.
I saw the first version many years ago when it first came out. Left the
theatre with bruises all over my arm. Girlfriend at the time needed
something to grab onto when the scary parts got bad.
I recall bad reviews for the first one but it now seems to be regarded as=
a
classic of sorts. Man, do we ever grow with time.
=20
HOOROO!!!!!!!!!!
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04 Jun 2006 07:11:22 AM |
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"¿ World War III 2006 [The Last 2300 Days]?T"
<stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1149400319.390325.18900@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I'm a **HUMUNGOUS** Gregory Peck fan !!!
**Me too, Wally**
Have U seen the movies Moby ***** & On The Beach
from the late 1950's era ?!?!?
**Love On the Beach and have a dvd copy of Moby *****. To Kill a Mockingbird
also which won the great actor an Oscar.**
Classics !!!
**Exactamundo!!!!!!!!!!**
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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Another great Peck film EVERYONE should see, even if it is old and dated is
"The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit", Wally. About an American returning from
WWII and trying to fit in to the wondrous and marvelous American Dream.
DeForrest Kelly is in it. His first line in the movie ends with the words,
"This man is dead, captain." :-) I kid you not.
Enjoy, Wally.
HOOROO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04 Jun 2006 04:55:22 PM |
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John Lemke wrote:
"=BF World War III 2006 [The Last 2300 Days]?T"
<stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1149394627.386942.121050@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I hope U r not going to actually *pay* to go & watch that
bunch of gerbilfricking crapola at your local cinema on the 6th of
June, 2006, John !!
I thought U would be a little more discerning than that !
Not to worry, Wally, I wouldn't waste time nor money to see this one.
I saw the first version many years ago when it first came out. Left the
theatre with bruises all over my arm. Girlfriend at the time needed
something to grab onto when the scary parts got bad.
I recall bad reviews for the first one but it now seems to be regarded as=
a
classic of sorts. Man, do we ever grow with time.
HOOROO!!!!!!!!!!
One wonders why it was remade, it was just a pulp novel, and it just
used catch phrases and myth to portray the birth of the evil one, but
with a western perspective.
wonder if they'll do the sequels as well, they should have condensed
the yarn.
Think of all those crappy fundie movies on the subject.
LB
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03 Jun 2006 11:58:31 PM |
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Nicely put there Wally I thought it was a just a rerelease as opposed
to a remake, it really could have done with a major rewrite, instead of
just add images of contempory events. and religiously follow the
script.
Still if you tell enough BS, and for long enough!
LB
=C2=BF World War III 2006 [The Last 2300 Days]=E2=99=A5=E2=84=A2 wrote:
I hope U r not going to actually *pay* to go & watch that
bunch of gerbilfricking crapola at your local cinema on the 6th of
June, 2006, John !!
I thought U would be a little more discerning than that !
Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh !!! Look at this hideously
sub-human parasitic
hook-nosed mutant !!!!!
http://www.lievschreiber.org/index.shtml
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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John Lemke wrote:
"Werewolfy" <thegrimreaper10@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1149331428.417481.246890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
mkufjg wrote:
"Is it me?"
------------------------------------
;) I was about to write exactly that Mondo..!
Grins.
Werewolfy
Were either of you formed in the belly of a Rottweiler?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.heedtheomen.com/
=20
Be patient, his day will come.
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